An Early GM Response to the TW Changes

frankieraye wrote: »

I've been compiling data regarding the TW system for the past ~2 months since the changes were made, and you guys are right, there are significantly fewer wars per week than there used to be. We understand the importance of TW as the most enjoyable end-game activity, and this concern is something that we are bringing up with the devs.

I'm un-stickying this thread so that we can revert to the system of forum stickies being used solely for announcements.

Great. So what's happening to the sales?

Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »

The problem is, if something works on the chinese servers, it's brought here and assumed to work, even if it doesnt.


The TW changes actually work on the chinese servers, possibly because rank 9 is actually obtainable there.

In fact, from what I've heard TW there was changed to the minimum bid must be 10mil, because people were still going to great lengths and abusing the system to get ahead.

If that is true, I find it funny that it didn't come here yet. It seems that some minor things like that never come here (along with hypers being unusable in FCC) but big things do. How big change something has to be before it must be implemented?

frankieraye wrote: »

I've been compiling data regarding the TW system for the past ~2 months since the changes were made, and you guys are right, there are significantly fewer wars per week than there used to be. We understand the importance of TW as the most enjoyable end-game activity, and this concern is something that we are bringing up with the devs.

I'm un-stickying this thread so that we can revert to the system of forum stickies being used solely for announcements.

b:shocked

Did....a PW GM just admit a mistake...? b:faint

Now lets just hope this isnt the last we hear and something is done.....

ragenight wrote: »

Herp... Derp... We told you this before it was even implemented.

Fail harder.

PWE staff is so stupid it's insulting.

To be fair, in my experience, managers don't tend to make significant decisions based on anecdotal / limited evidence alone.

Although early signs were so, for frankieraye to justify any case for reversion to the previous format or some other change, he would need to present a quantifiable case to his superiors.

Simply printing off pages of this thread and the one before it would not be sufficient to convince the develepers to change it back.

Oh look another old thread that I used to care about and believe some positive change might happen because of it. Silly me b:angry

why is this thread unstickyed were still upset about it and still wanna talk about it please put it back

well, with 2 months, he managed to get 48 individual cases of tw data. though... probably after about 2 weeks should have been obvious and statiscally safe already, 48 cases is pretty good i guess...

frankieraye wrote: »

I've been compiling data regarding the TW system for the past ~2 months since the changes were made, and you guys are right, there are significantly fewer wars per week than there used to be. We understand the importance of TW as the most enjoyable end-game activity, and this concern is something that we are bringing up with the devs.

I'm un-stickying this thread so that we can revert to the system of forum stickies being used solely for announcements.

Speaking of ... don't u have a separate forum just for announcements that's never used? Why dose something about that explanation sound a lil too fishy to me an everyone else on here?

Crazydan - Heavens Tear wrote: »

If they wanted to do that they wouldve locked the threads and said something like "We have gather all opinnions ty very much.

That would be too obvious. They'd rather just ignore the problem until it goes away.

My personal belief is that they unstickied it for just the reason Frankie said - they were going to return to using stickies in the Gen Disc JUST for announcements.

Before, that's what they did. But when things started getting ugly, and people started making thread after thread about the same thing (ie, TT changes), they decided to lump them all together into one big thread at the top that hopefully everyone would see, and stop making new ones.

I think what people mistook then, was that just because a GM/mod MADE the thread to both clean things up a bit and listen to our opinions, that didn't mean they could actually DO anything with our opinions. They can gather up all our opinions and push them at the devs, but if the devs don't care (which we already know they DON'T), then nothing will be done, and we will be ignored. Which, we should have known all the time.

Instead, since it was the GMs/mods who made the thread, people assumed our opinions were being given, but ignored by the GMs.

The GMs are not in control of the game. They are here to tell us what's going on, to the best of their abilities. That's also mostly what the forums are for - that, and to be used as a helpful resource (ie, skill help, bug issues, etc). The discussions that were stickied were never intended to be used to think of better changes for the game - only to help clean up the forums so people weren't continuously posting the same threads.

In the end, I think the endless bumping isn't going to do any good. The GMs have no control in whether the TT gets better, or the TW goes back to being a fun piece of the game.

@Minx - I think leaving the maint threads open goes along with what I posted above - people would post about the maint anyway, why not leave the announcement open so that people won't be making several threads? Either that, or they'd have to constantly lock and move the threads, and that would not only take up more time, but would probably (as evidenced by the people as of late) anger some.

Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »

The problem is, if something works on the chinese servers, it's brought here and assumed to work, even if it doesnt.


The TW changes actually work on the chinese servers, possibly because rank 9 is actually obtainable there.

In fact, from what I've heard TW there was changed to the minimum bid must be 10mil, because people were still going to great lengths and abusing the system to get ahead.

They are allowed to sell gold there for actual money. If I could trade in-game coin for U.S. Dollars or a pre-paid Visa card or something, my motivation for getting ahead would be much greater than it is in the international version of the game.

I'm glad to hear Frankie and others are bringing the concerns about TW up with the devs. Ideally, I would like to see PW development branched; one development team for PW-CN and PW-MY, and another development team dedicated only to PW-INT. I think this would solve a lot of the problems we've been facing since the regulations governing PW-INT are so different than those of the other versions of the game.

P.S. - I am a professional software engineer, I would love to work as a dev on this game! I'd quit my current job today for the opportunity... b:chuckle

frankieraye wrote: »

I've been compiling data regarding the TW system for the past ~2 months since the changes were made, and you guys are right, there are significantly fewer wars per week than there used to be. We understand the importance of TW as the most enjoyable end-game activity, and this concern is something that we are bringing up with the devs.

I'm un-stickying this thread so that we can revert to the system of forum stickies being used solely for announcements.

My question for you frankieraye, is why didn't you know this would be the outcome long before even implementing the changes?

Vavavavooom!

Up to the top, yo.