Twilight Temple Discussion

Muah - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I actually tested 3-1 out last night.. me ,(my 92 cleric). 2 barbs 101TT99/100 TT90, and a 101 archer who yeah.. anyway we all have great gear except for my nub cleric Lol..(if u sneezed he'd die b:surrender ) I can't remember how many mobs we killed... I'm sure it wasnt much higher than your count and he didn't do a crazy aoe or anything. He used a skill that looked like extreme poisen on the barb.. but he lived regardless.. I healed and purified on my cleric and the Barb never died..

No matter what the boss will random agro.. thats also part of collu in 3-2 and 3-3 >_>.

So.. only thing i can think of is maybe u counted wrong? I can always go back in there and get a real count if u want valb:surrender

Counted right, i had the monster kill count tracked and on the screen. He used to 18 to kill i think, we had 19 so i ran out and killed the 3 others in the the lightning boss room which brought it to 22 and tried again still killed everyone rather quickly. I wounder if the mob count is the same now for 3-1 and 3-2 and 3-3 of 35 and the quest did not say how many were needed for 3-1.

One other small morsal about your squad, this instance (3-1) is supposed to be geared toward lvl 88-94 players with standard gear, there is NO WAY they could farm thier matts for thier 90 armor from this boss at his current settings as the uber gear is for 99+.

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

Now, you can say that, but it really doesn't mean a whole lot. I have a lot of respect for you, but you're far from average in terms of gear or skill.

You're the most prolific farmer on Lost City. Of course the changes don't affect you much, you have a sin with +12 Nirvana daggers and have pretty amazing gear. You also have a 101 cleric, a 10x veno, and lord knows how many other 10x chars you've leveled yourself to use to farm.

You're just rubbing it in everyone's face and laughing all the way to the bank. There's nothing wrong with that, but not everyone can afford the time or the money to be the next Zerhee or Kit.

What I mean is that before last patch I tested Behemoth with only 15 mobs kills and was auto-wipe,I kept dieing every time in few seconds, killing 1 more mob to make mob counter 16 and it become killable.
My point is that never was a Mob counter bug in 3-1.
Isn't my gear the key factor, since my brother sin lvl101 (+8 daggers and Average gear) was also killing it with lvl87 Cleric and 85 Barb. It wasn't only my gear...

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

Yeah, I realize that, but you have been bragging a little xP

you know me, I like to **** ppl off :P
remember when I made you rage bc I wanted all party in TW to pay me for heals and buffs ^^

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

Difficulty is a nice thing, I loved old lunar, but if they wanted extreme difficulty they should have introduced a new mode. The changes weren't really well thought out. That's really the only issue I have with all of this. The idea was a good one, the execution was horrible.

Lunar was changed again few weeks ago, now some mobs when almost dead summon new mob, there's Sac.Assault, Increased Life, ...
Also bosses drop more mirages than essences

So state of TT3-1 is: Hard, but not too hard.




I like it.

@Kitamura

how fast you or ur bro kill it?

lately im hearing from friends that bug isnt about mob count, but that boss go into frenzy mode after some time

i really wonder how you could solo it if boss ep you 4 or 5 times in a row every 5s, then do break for purge or hp debuff and start to ep, ep, ep again

there is no way that genie or any apo could cover that because of cooldowns


it s noticable on other bosses as well: at beginning they are 'calm' - do their stuff every few secs and then they go mad..

they are somewhat doable with heavy abuse of apo, genies, charms and just luck, but this kind of difficulty dont fits PWI

it s so hard that suspicious

so i wonder now if it was really intended or is it just big bug

lol at any one who claims that the 3-x changes were a 'market' fix. A free open market will regulate itself via supply and demand. These changes, in the end, will only benefit those who already have the advantage, as almost all commerce regulations do.

This is pwi catering to its CS player base. Funny, its a lot like politics.

Annalyse - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Just had this experience myself. My group made sure to kill plenty of mobs (we got counter to 35 because of my previous theory, which proved wrong unfortunately). I was on my cleric, also had a barb, another cleric, a blademaster and an archer. Went ok for awhile, lots of purifying and rebuffing on tank and taking turns on BB. But his hits got harder and harder. The other cleric was a little lower level, and soon it got to where after his AoE the tank was invoking and I was stacking on heals so that I could pause to res the other cleric. Finally, at not even half HP, it did an AoE that hit me for 5k, which was too much purged and debuffed. And since both clerics were down, the whole team went down.

So, maybe they fixed the kill count glitch. My party certainly did get wiped earlier last time (although I can't totally compare since it wasn't the same group, and we had no BB the first time). But I can say that the boss does not really seem doable without a squad of high levels with decent gear... although my crew are determined to try again tomorrow with Absolute Domain and some apoth pots.

This boss is sounding more and more like snakefist but with bad aoe and debuffs O_o

Dsholder - Dreamweaver wrote: »

GMs please ask the developers the mechanics of the 3-1? I've done this instanced and tested it.

Result:
- After 1 minute he aoe debuff
- After like 3-4 minutes he amps the tank(s)
- Aggro war here prevents him from doing the aoe 1 shot thingy
- Cleric has no max distance here, even 27 meters ( under stairs, above stairs)


Ask the developers how the bosses are supposed to act. Steelation in 3-1 even does some crazy stuff like stun and amplify damage.

To the players: If you can't kill GBA fast by nuking it, then don't try because the longer he takes, the more likely your squad will die.

Method of killing GBA 3-1:

- Cleric uses BB
- 2nd cleric rebuffs and heals when BB drops or sits their BB up
- You have the assassin or 5.0 do as much damage as possible while the barb fleash reams to juggle aggro. If no 5.0 or assassin nuking then BM and Barb using alpha male.

When we did kill we still didn't get any mats, only oht and mirages.

Squad that it took too kill:
- 100 sin
- 101 barb
- 100 bm
- 91 bm
- 84 cleric
- 100 cleric

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=832932

Twilight Temple Act III
Tweaked the Boss AI/Aggro behavior to increase the difficulty.

If AI stands for Artificial Intelligence I bet bosses wont follow any predefined pattern.

You got debuffed after 1 minute, I got aoe debuffs right away after 1st hit several times, so after few seconds he also debuffs. In my experience killing it effects are random and timing also random.

Kitamura - Lost City wrote: »

If AI stands for Artificial Intelligence I bet bosses wont follow any predefined pattern.

You got debuffed after 1 minute, I got aoe debuffs right away after 1st hit several times, so after few seconds he also debuffs. In my experience killing it effects are random and timing also random.

you didnt get it. it s not about details- if he aoe after 1 minute or not. or which attack is first


there is very noticable difference in behavior at beginning and when (after some time prolly) boss is 'piissed off'.

f.e. he ep tank so often that all i can do is just purify, and sometimes he do 'double' ep (instead of mixing 2 different attacks) so i have no chance to purfi cause spell is on cooldown. when he finally stop doing ep combo he exe one or two aoes, and start to ep again

i also saw green guy doing 5 phy aoes in a row without any time gap between, then he do 4aps and start aoe combos again.


when boss 'get mad' his attacks are so intensive that you wonder if it s not broken. and any skills or apo cant help much cuz after few hits everything is on cooldown.
thats what i dont like about new patch - boss attacks are 'unavoidable'.


that new AI seems broken or just poorly written script where f.e. boss will do special attack every 1-6s. and if he will do 10 of those every 1-3s then it s just your bad luck -you can die and try boss again.

(thats how it looked before patch. i dont think much changed by then)

Fon - Raging Tide wrote: »

fr ppl who hit end game equips before the patch was released.. lucky you

for others who are climbing their way upto 90s and TTdrops in 3-x instance.. ur gonna have to spend a looot of money either on the bontique or time making money to buy your mats from the 100+s..
cause.. u cant farm them by urself anymore :P

ppl who need GBA cant farm it.. ppl who can farm GBA, dont need it.. joy -.-'' FML

Agree, I remember when I hit 90 and tried the old TT3-1.. Was pretty hard for us that time....

I can just imagine lvl 90s now with TT80 gear trying to farm the "new" TT b:surrender

But again, why do I bother post on forums?
GMs/devs/mods don't care... Ahh I am bored at work.. b:laugh

Dsholder - Dreamweaver wrote: »

GMs please ask the developers the mechanics of the 3-1? I've done this instanced and tested it.

Result:
- After 1 minute he aoe debuff
- After like 3-4 minutes he amps the tank(s)
- Aggro war here prevents him from doing the aoe 1 shot thingy
- Cleric has no max distance here, even 27 meters ( under stairs, above stairs)


Ask the developers how the bosses are supposed to act. Steelation in 3-1 even does some crazy stuff like stun and amplify damage.

To the players: If you can't kill GBA fast by nuking it, then don't try because the longer he takes, the more likely your squad will die.

Method of killing GBA 3-1:

- Cleric uses BB
- 2nd cleric rebuffs and heals when BB drops or sits their BB up
- You have the assassin or 5.0 do as much damage as possible while the barb fleash reams to juggle aggro. If no 5.0 or assassin nuking then BM and Barb using alpha male.

When we did kill we still didn't get any mats, only oht and mirages.

Squad that it took too kill:
- 100 sin
- 101 barb
- 100 bm
- 91 bm
- 84 cleric
- 100 cleric

lmao needing level 100s and 5.0 DDs for it
3-1 is supposed to be for level 90- people farming their gear
means NO level 100 NO 5.0 aps etc =.=
If players want a super hard instance make Nirvana bosses spam that debuff that makes you attack slow, then 5.0 will be useless and so you got a time consuming boss<3
make it hit 3x as hard too

Though still that'd suck for new players seeing how we got many with nirvana from previous patches when it was easy as hell

SuperHebbe - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Agree, I remember when I hit 90 and tried the old TT3-1.. Was pretty hard for us that time....

It was never hard. Was a pain having to kill mobs for kill count, but was still easier than any 2-x.

They should just use the nirvana key system instead of buffing the bosses if they didn't want people to "abusing"/farming.

So here is my opinion on TT3-3.

This instance was meant to be done by level 100's with TT90 gear, so they can farm their TT99 gear. It was already hard enough before any changes were made - the bosses were tough enough, the mobs tough enough. But what made it really tough was the drop rates are so low you have to run this instance a lot!

You made it timed to prevent people from holding instance, you made it that the minimum amount of mobs had to be killed to prevent people from taking short cuts. These changes were fine, but the bosses are now impossible for the intended group of players.

Since when was it changed to be a challenge to lvl102 Nirvana equiped players?

I think I am a pretty decent archer, I have full TT99+8 and CV bow +10, and I was in a party with a some really good players similarly equiped (2 better than me, 1 as good, 2 needing a few 99 gears yet) and I died 17 times, mostly on Armageddon but also on the other bosses.

I don't need anything in any HH anymore so I can avoid this but the folks that need gear are being screwed over and I think it is awful!!!

Please change TT3-X back to the way it was?

Cheers!

frankieraye wrote: »

Update

We've spoken with the devs and they've agreed to remove the 4 hour time limit from TT.

Finaly something goods happening after they pretty much made 3-3 impossible, now if only they'd fix the bosses BACK to before they made them go insane maybe I can get to do a BH 3-3 again since I've only done 1 since the frenzy patch and it was a horrible fail. We even tried to run the full HH3-3 just for the bh and it was squad wipe after squaad wipe b:angry

Bearleeable - Lost City wrote: »

quite simply, THEY SUCK.
Please stop messing with things that are working already.
fix the rubber banding and other LONG time bugs.
Don't fix what ain't broke.

exactly 100% of what they just said, can someone pass this to the devs its probably the best, most important post made in months here.

+10 char
+10 internet

new 3-3 sucks
fix it.
mob count and time limit were enough.
we don't need frenzy on bosses when we do have mob count.
and it's just epicly nice when boss debuffs u, seals u, lowers ur hp then goes frenzy on u (at same time)
go do ur job for a change. instance is supposed to be hard, not almost impossible.
and IF we had some actual drops it would be nice too b:bye