I heard they changed Nirvana....

MiniST - Sanctuary
MiniST - Sanctuary Posts: 604 Arc User
edited September 2010 in General Discussion
I haven't do it yet, but i heard the bosses random aggro now?
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  • Maiya - Lost City
    Maiya - Lost City Posts: 2,686 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    From what I heard from my guildmates. Bosses do a random aggro + seal now. Joyous...
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  • CTRLotus - Sanctuary
    CTRLotus - Sanctuary Posts: 135 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    +1 to above couple posts, this is true. said in the patch notes
    Cant make up my mind D:
    Maybe.. human guardian?
  • Magiere - Dreamweaver
    Magiere - Dreamweaver Posts: 395 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    It doesn't seem to be real random.
    In a 3 or higher ppl squad it appears to only switch aggro to the next best DD after the leading one.
    Meaning clerics dont get attacked.

    Not sure about 1 dd and 1 cleric squad yet.
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  • VlLKASS - Sanctuary
    VlLKASS - Sanctuary Posts: 1,396 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=818232


    Haven't tried a run yet. But hear some clerics QQing about dying, so guess it's not just the best DDs.
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  • Alphae - Lost City
    Alphae - Lost City Posts: 1,512 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Well guys, the solution is simple. Since it's so much harder to farm end-game gear in nirvana, wouldn't it make sense to....


    wait for it.....










    Buy gold to get packs and get that lunar gear! That's so much easier! I love it. :)
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  • Tojop - Dreamweaver
    Tojop - Dreamweaver Posts: 623 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Alphae - Lost City wrote: »
    Well guys, the solution is simple. Since it's so much harder to farm end-game gear in nirvana, wouldn't it make sense to....

    wait for it.....

    Buy gold to get packs and get that lunar gear! That's so much easier! I love it. :)

    Spoken like a true level 90 b:chuckle
  • Alphae - Lost City
    Alphae - Lost City Posts: 1,512 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Tojop - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Spoken like a true level 90 b:chuckle

    I think you missed my point. xP
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  • Tojop - Dreamweaver
    Tojop - Dreamweaver Posts: 623 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    I think I did too b:sad
  • Llewellyn - Lost City
    Llewellyn - Lost City Posts: 64 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Yes, GMs or Devs (whoever is resposible) made it impossible for a Arcane to do Nirvana now, thanks alot bunch of **** heads


    Now i get continues agro with my +10 nirvana glaive, not their ranged magic attack, no, their Melee physical attack on my Arcane armor, wtfffff .................

    FIX IT!
  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Just did a 10 min run... it's not really any harder for a squad stacked with fisters but a decent cleric is needed now.
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  • VlLKASS - Sanctuary
    VlLKASS - Sanctuary Posts: 1,396 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Just did a 10 min run... it's not really any harder for a squad stacked with fisters but a decent cleric is needed now.

    Just did a few runs as well.

    Takes maybe 5-10 mins longer with an average squad we went.


    I kind'a liked it actually :D Lots more fun.


    The sealing ain't that bad. It's like the 1st boss, but just on all others as well. The random agro.... um If my squishy cleric could take hits from bosses, unless you got really crappy gear you'll be fine.



    & I agree with Ast. I'm only going on nirvana now with my archer only if there's a good cleric in squad or it's going to be a pain & tons of potting.
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  • Llewellyn - Lost City
    Llewellyn - Lost City Posts: 64 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    If you get the boss with the wings, theres a good change youl get sealed at the same time the dark apears, then things can end bad, sins are usely squishy aswell, they gain agro fast and theres simply little to none time for a cleric to change target + heal most of the time specialy when sealed, Group heal takes some time to cast, if you get the final last boss with the aoe and flames, a bad timed seal can cause party whipe no matter what
    Some bosses would be ok with that seal and random agro thing, but deffenitly not all

    For now gold price wont drop so iam not gonna spend 3-4m on a hp charm wich is gonna last for just a couple NV runs, it causes unneeded frustration and stress for a average squad and specialy the EP, for a high refined interval squad i can see theres no problem anyway
  • VlLKASS - Sanctuary
    VlLKASS - Sanctuary Posts: 1,396 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    b:embarrass charmed NV.... lol


    Since you're talking about "normal" squads, where I suppose a puppy is tanking, I'm sure they can take 1-2 extra hits while the cleric takes care of the party...


    Already done that boss a few times. It's only a prob if the cleric is very bad & metal maging instead of healing the party, so when aoe hits seal that tank got no staked IH & gets wasted... + If you're going with barbs I'm assuming by 100 they know the skill invoke if they notice others in squad are in trouble...
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  • MiniST - Sanctuary
    MiniST - Sanctuary Posts: 604 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Llewellyn - Lost City wrote: »
    If you get the boss with the wings, theres a good change youl get sealed at the same time the dark apears, then things can end bad, sins are usely squishy aswell, they gain agro fast and theres simply little to none time for a cleric to change target + heal most of the time specialy when sealed, Group heal takes some time to cast, if you get the final last boss with the aoe and flames, a bad timed seal can cause party whipe no matter what
    Some bosses would be ok with that seal and random agro thing, but deffenitly not all

    For now gold price wont drop so iam not gonna spend 3-4m on a hp charm wich is gonna last for just a couple NV runs, it causes unneeded frustration and stress for a average squad and specialy the EP, for a high refined interval squad i can see theres no problem anyway

    boss with wings? which one was that, the pheonix? you can still move when you are sealed
    the only problem i have is with the tyrant, some archer is gonna get aggro and starts to kite b:shocked and people start chasing after the boss >.>
  • VlLKASS - Sanctuary
    VlLKASS - Sanctuary Posts: 1,396 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    MiniST - Sanctuary wrote: »
    boss with wings? which one was that, the pheonix? you can still move when you are sealed
    the only problem i have is with the tyrant, some archer is gonna get aggro and starts to kite b:shocked and people start chasing after the boss >.>

    My guess she meant the boss after foxes that spawns white/black minions
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  • Euphy - Dreamweaver
    Euphy - Dreamweaver Posts: 495 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Random argo - scary. But as a lv.100 cleric I haven't managed to keep more 1% for more than a day so w/e. b:chuckle
    I had 7% once b:cry
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  • warlos
    warlos Posts: 25 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Just did a 10 min run... it's not really any harder for a squad stacked with fisters but a decent cleric is needed now.


    hmm just 10 min run, so GM again failed in preventing it but made it worst for others who happy with even 60 min run.

    1. Not all class r fisters or can be one with 5.0 Aps.
    2. Not all fister with 5.0 Aps would like to do nirvana having 2 barb(some don't even take barb) or wiz or any low DD in squad
    3. Only 1% or less squad can do super fast run like in 10 mins.
  • fulgida
    fulgida Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    warlos wrote: »
    hmm just 10 min run, so GM again failed in preventing it but made it worst for others who happy with even 60 min run.

    1. Not all class r fisters or can be one with 5.0 Aps.
    2. Not all fister with 5.0 Aps would like to do nirvana having 2 barb(some don't even take barb) or wiz or any low DD in squad
    3. Only 1% or less squad can do super fast run like in 10 mins.

    4. 5aps is a lot easier to get than highly refined 5aps...
  • VlLKASS - Sanctuary
    VlLKASS - Sanctuary Posts: 1,396 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    PS: the 99 key boss wasn't changed, no seal or random agro.
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  • Celestyna - Heavens Tear
    Celestyna - Heavens Tear Posts: 629 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    its still doable but i swear the bosses are not random.. they are cleric agro. because everytime it seemed like they come after me b:surrender mind you I was healing and not dding at all.
    only boss i had problems with was the white/blacks when the person getting blacks would seal, boss would hit me just as the black exploded. had this happen several times over two times we had that boss b:cry I had to town and come back however even with a bm tank we were able to get through it without a party wipe.
    I have not had the earth boss in the pentagram room yet not looking forward to it + seal


    @Euphy I had 55% at one point.. I am down to 46% b:surrender
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  • Azura - Lost City
    Azura - Lost City Posts: 2,281 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    warlos wrote: »
    hmm just 10 min run, so GM again failed in preventing it but made it worst for others who happy with even 60 min run.

    1. Not all class r fisters or can be one with 5.0 Aps.
    2. Not all fister with 5.0 Aps would like to do nirvana having 2 barb(some don't even take barb) or wiz or any low DD in squad
    3. Only 1% or less squad can do super fast run like in 10 mins.

    And the developers did this to prevent farming (isn't this game about farming?). However the ppl who farm instances 10 times faster than the normal squad weren't so affected by these changes. Those who can farm nirvana in 15 min, will keep doing it. The ones who will suffer are the normal people.
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  • Asila - Lost City
    Asila - Lost City Posts: 37 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    <<-- 0,0% Cleric for this Dungeon
    waiting to get enought xp pills from BH to make lv101
    Celestyna - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    @Euphy I had 55% at one point.. I am down to 46% b:surrender
  • Euphy - Dreamweaver
    Euphy - Dreamweaver Posts: 495 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Good idea Asila. . . I've done one Nirvana since the update. It was a total nightmare. With 5,6k health I got one-shot off the not-so random AoE-Go-Run boss that hits like a *********************. b:surrender
    We actually gave up - and I was in a trio with two 5 atk/sec fisters. So yeah. Bascially, if you get:
    1) The Aoe-Go-Run boss...
    2) The Frenzy Boss...
    ... you are screwed and wasted your keys.
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  • VlLKASS - Sanctuary
    VlLKASS - Sanctuary Posts: 1,396 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Euphy - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Good idea Asila. . . I've done one Nirvana since the update. It was a total nightmare. With 5,6k health I got one-shot off the not-so random AoE-Go-Run boss that hits like a *********************. b:surrender
    We actually gave up - and I was in a trio with two 5 atk/sec fisters. So yeah. Bascially, if you get:
    1) The Aoe-Go-Run boss...
    2) The Frenzy Boss...
    ... you are screwed and wasted your keys.

    b:embarrass .......

    Just b:embarrass ....
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  • Kniraven - Lost City
    Kniraven - Lost City Posts: 2,620 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Also to note, I've been seeing the phoenix boss glitch into the wall, the fire's it spawns have chased after people for like 15 meters, and so have the blue circles on the first boss.

    It's not that awful over all, but I refuse to go unless the cleric has atleast 6k hp, I'll bring a barb if I have to in order to make sure they do.

    Usually I just do 5 BMs/Sins and a Cleric.

    Sins seemed targeted more often than others to me but it could be coincedence. I've done about 15 runs so far since the update.
    I don't bring sins anymore they're too squishy.
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  • Rawthorne - Heavens Tear
    Rawthorne - Heavens Tear Posts: 400 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    I've done a few runs so far since the change and I've yet to die once as an uncharmed cleric going w/ normal geared out ppl (no 5 aps dds). My personal observations after doing them and talking to others:

    1. The fail players who have nfi how to play their class, keep ppl buffed, and how to keep themselves alive when things get crazy may as well just STOP trying to do nirvana and uninstall the game cuz nirvana is too hard for them. I got into an argument the other day w/ a barb cuz we had a squishy sin and arhcer nonstop taking aggro getting 3 shot while he was dding in human form (herc trying to tank) and I kept telling him to rebuff them (w/out barb buff they were 1-2 shot) repeatedly.

    2. These ppl who have gotten to 100+ and never bothered to work on their gear are a true liability now. I worked my **** off to keep this veno w/ 6k BUFFED alive (w/ no charm). But tbh I didn't mind too much cuz unlike 99% of the venos on HT server 100+ they actually played their class damn well. Most just sit back and daydream and are like "wha I need to purge/amp now?" The buffs on the wood boss were on a MAX of 2 secs each time for example.

    3. It's an end game instance; it SHOULD be difficult and require ppl to work together and have decent gear. I like it cuz it's harder so thus the prices will go up cuz all the nubs w/ **** gear and don't know how to play their class will give up on nirvana. I'm one of those masochists who prefers old ff/lunar. Now if I can only stop going w/ those nubs and working my **** off to keep them aliveb:angry.
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  • Paramedic - Dreamweaver
    Paramedic - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,801 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Kniraven - Lost City wrote: »
    Also to note, I've been seeing the phoenix boss glitch into the wall, the fire's it spawns have chased after people for like 15 meters, and so have the blue circles on the first boss.

    It's not that awful over all, but I refuse to go unless the cleric has atleast 6k hp, I'll bring a barb if I have to in order to make sure they do.

    Usually I just do 5 BMs/Sins and a Cleric.

    Sins seemed targeted more often than others to me but it could be coincedence. I've done about 15 runs so far since the update.
    I don't bring sins anymore they're too squishy.

    lmao

    you really play for 2 years? are you fake? xD

    6k hp cler, too squishy sins.. lol ' bring barb for hp buff' D<


    what next? 14k hp cler for belial, 25k hp for illusion lord in 3-3?
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Paramedic - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    6k hp cler, too squishy sins.. lol ' bring barb for hp buff' D<

    My lvl 100 cleric has 6.5k hp unbuffed. What's so hard to believe about that?

    Learn how to stat properly. b:bye
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  • Paramedic - Dreamweaver
    Paramedic - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,801 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    My lvl 100 cleric has 6.5k hp unbuffed. What's so hard to believe about that?

    Learn how to stat properly. b:bye

    if u need that for nirvana then learn to play properly
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  • TigerLily - Lost City
    TigerLily - Lost City Posts: 1,209 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Paramedic - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    if u need that for nirvana then to learn play properly

    Well you want at least 5k as cleric in Nirvana to avoid getting 1 shoot by circles/black/white feather.

    Even if you play your class very well you can still get 5k booms (same in Frost). If you lag and stand in circle, if someone in party alt-tabs and attacks wrong mob etc. I would never go with a cleric that has like 4k hp.

    I prefer having a healer with at least 6k base hp what ever i do, wont drop to fast if shiet goes down <.<

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