Squading Assassin

I personally am not used to assassins yet. I don't really know what skills they got or how they work.


how long do mobs stay paralyzed?

will the "de-aggro-stealth"(?) work 100%?

I guess most people still have to learn about assassins (and psychics).

+ Unless you're confident in your tank's ability to keep aggro... clerics, please don't use RB with a sin around u___u The tank will inevitably lose aggro VERY fast unless he's very good.

BIackTyphoon - Heavens Tear wrote: »

K guys i had some problems doin bhs with random squads..i am a sin as u can see and i have seen the same probles all over again...so i wanted to point some things out.

1. when u have to open doors....thats what a sin is for, let him use stealth and don't go endangering urselves.. seen s many sq just run off after i went for the guardian.....stupid cause u die often

2. when a boss is aggroed which shouldn't be. run and let the sin aggro...after ur away he will stealth again and boss looses aggro....same prob, many sq just stand there or run in the wrong direction(always have to run in the opposite direction of sin)

3. fighting mobs....sins can revent them from moving(archers , mages) do not run, but let sin paralyse first otherwise we'll have to run throught he whole instance jsut to catch up(we have our effects for a reason)

these are the main problem i encountered so far.....do that and u will prevent party wipe...ofc i'm no high lvl sin but for those in my lvl range. thats some of the things u should be aware of. makes life easier

k and no flames or such things....its only for those in my lvl range(tho it might be usefull for some lower and higher instances aswell)

well for me i usally dnt take a sin in squad if there is a sin insquad and a wizzy or an archer or even another veno i take them instead sins cause party wipes too much(well not rlly party wipes they just kill them selves)

Flauschkatze - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I personally am not used to assassins yet. I don't really know what skills they got or how they work.


how long do mobs stay paralyzed?

will the "de-aggro-stealth"(?) work 100%?

I guess most people still have to learn about assassins (and psychics).

As long as nobody else attacks the mob, yes it does. Since the aggro works with % of damage, if the Sin takes it and nobody deals "too" much damage or none when he goes invis, the mob will get reseted. Sins can also lure with their ranged dagger thingy, and stunlock pretty damn well. I think the latest patch makes them more useful in squads, since they can blink inside instances now. This could be a good way to save a squishy char : blink, strike and stunlock. IJS.

I don't get to squad with Sins very often tho, they can DD aswell, but not as much as a Wiz/Psy or BM of course.

"As long as no one else attacks the mob" - meaning that yes, it wipes the sin from the hatelist, but he just moves on to whoever has hate next.
Presumably the same rules apply as recalling a veno's pet.

(Said rules are actually pretty complicated - it means someone healing the sin at the wrong time could pull aggro)

Your advice to people teaming with you is telling me "Don't team up with sins, especially not THIS sin, because we sure as hell aren't team players"

BIackTyphoon - Heavens Tear wrote: »

huh how did u get that??? why not better than BMs? we can control our dmg output very well...and besides we have the highest dmg ingame

lol and he disnt add archers to that list o.ob:laugh

If the mob is dragged out of range of the party, I'm pretty sure it gets reset.

I'm also pretty sure that, within the same level range, sins can out-damage most other classes.. that, or they do close enough damage to sort of ping-pong the boss around. x.x

Example: for public quest.. I keep stealing aggro on the boss even with 15+ people whacking him with all sorts of skills T.T
Then again, we do have our massive chi gain skills to thank for that. Constant sparks.. =P

Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »

"As long as no one else attacks the mob" - meaning that yes, it wipes the sin from the hatelist, but he just moves on to whoever has hate next.
Presumably the same rules apply as recalling a veno's pet.

(Said rules are actually pretty complicated - it means someone healing the sin at the wrong time could pull aggro)

Your advice to people teaming with you is telling me "Don't team up with sins, especially not THIS sin, because we sure as hell aren't team players"

That's why I said "if nobody attacks" meaning the only one with any hate level would be the Sin. If you're next to him but don't attack, I think the mob gets reseted either way if the Sin goes invis.

I'm not sure I understand the aggro system yet, but for example yesterday, I was doing a HH run with two 9x venos and I went afk for a little while when they were trying to kill Wurlord, they both got killed and I didn't get hit once. Since I was right next to them, I'm assuming that if the Sin attacks and nobody else does, the mob will get reseted. Of course, it seems more like a way to make up for a **** up than anything else, unless the Sin is capable of keeping the aggro long enough to "erase" other's hate level.

ps : yeah, forgot Archers in the highest damage classes.

BIackTyphoon - Heavens Tear wrote: »

i didn'T mean the dmg per ski...i included dps, crit rate and our self buffs to that(self buffs only) and trust me i can top a wizzi that way

Lol, no you can't. You will never match a Wizard's crit, no matter how hard you try. I'm talking endgame of course, discussing highest damage at level 6x is rather pointless.

edit : If you want to talk about DPS, then I'm pretty sure Psychics are far better than Sins in this area.

Dear OP

The other classes have been around for longer than you have. They are used to squadding in certain ways and dealing with certain situations based on how they have been dealing with them all their PW lives.

While we appreciate your effort to try and blame everybody else for causing squad wipes, maybe you should consider the fact nobody AUTOMATICALLY knows EXACTLY how to squad with a Sin and therefore, no, they will not do the things YOU want them to regardless of whether it helps the squad or not.

If you take aggro of a mob, or boss, and then go stealth, yes the mob will not attack you. However, if you are taking aggro then other people have already been attacking. When you go stealth, you drop off the hate list, but the others don't. Just like the following:
When you go stealth, you drop off the hate list. When a barb dies, he drops off the hate list too. Does the mob/boss reset? Hell no. He runs for the character that did the most % of damage to him and proceeds to pound that little humanoid/elf/furry/fish to kingdom come.
So that theory is totally flawed unless you plan on tanking whatever you took aggro of in the first place until every single other squad member is out of the radar range.

I'm not sure where a sin comes on the "does the most damage" list, but I'm still under the impression that when it comes to DPS, crit rate and self buffs (blazing arrow is kewl) an archer still deals more. I can steal faster than a sin my level, steal from sins my level, etc. etc. However, I'm by no means an expert, a well geared and refined Sin may very well out DPS other classes. But until then, sonny, you can bet your life savings all those BMs and archers with -interval gear and fists are ousting you and your DPS every day of the week.
And when it comes to general damage... that end game wizzy PWNS any amount of damage you can dish out. S/He only needs to get a few cool genie skills (extreme poison anybody?) and fire an ult at a mob. And god forbid if that ult happens to crit.

Okay, you have to stop with the godclass complex. You don't deal more damage than a Wiz, and you probably don't outdamage a Psychic either, considering both damage are close, only Psys cast faster. You might get close to Archer's damage, but I don't think you top them either.

You crit a lot, that's cool, but so do Archers. Not to mention that "lucky Wizard crit" as you say, is usually a huge dealbreaker when one of your crits is just a cool event. You're probably better at stunlocking than dealing damage, eventho it's pretty clear you deal good damage and you're a force to be reckon with. But you're not the highest damage in the game, deal with it.

Ephemerai - Sanctuary wrote: »

Kiyoshi - in instances like FB51, it's actually useful to get a sin to kill the guardians, especially the second one. Saves the party time clearing the way to it, killing it, then running back to go the other way towards Rankar. Later FBs/BHs I haven't done that way, but I've always gone ahead of the party for the guardians for 51, and it does save time.

FB51 2nd guardian might actually be the only instance where having a sin to kill might be useful. Even then, the sin would need to be of higher level or hes just going to get his **** handed to him or have a charm tick fest. FB59, i don't think there is any guardians other then bosses and that tower (which is on the way to everything). FB69, i don't remember any guardians here thats out of the way of anything. FB79, the mob can still tick my charm in here... so i doubt a sin would be any better. And the (out of the way) tower guardian to the last 2 bosses... i would like a sin solo him and his 10 friends. FB89, no guardian here. FB99, just bring cookies for that guardian campfire with that big tower. Any single mob in here won't kill me... but they'll tick my charm. So if i am killing anything in here... the party better be coming too.

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

FB51 2nd guardian might actually be the only instance where having a sin to kill might be useful. Even then, the sin would need to be of higher level or hes just going to get his **** handed to him or have a charm tick fest. FB59, i don't think there is any guardians other then bosses and that tower (which is on the way to everything). FB69, i don't remember any guardians here thats out of the way of anything. FB79, the mob can still tick my charm in here... so i doubt a sin would be any better. And the (out of the way) tower guardian to the last 2 bosses... i would like a sin solo him and his 10 friends. FB89, no guardian here. FB99, just bring cookies for that guardian campfire with that big tower. Any single mob in here won't kill me... but they'll tick my charm. So if i am killing anything in here... the party better be coming too.

Haha, look at my level =( I haven't done the 69+ FB/BHs yet, so I wouldn't know. Besides, for BH (which is what I thought we were talking about), you're a few levels higher than the mobs in the instance anyways. I know I did BH51 guardians when I needed BH51 bosses (so I wasn't like, 70+ killing mobs in there). And no charm ticks =D Headhunt -> some skill -> tackling/throatcut -> skill some more -> repeat usually does the trick without any major loss of HP (<3 bloodpaint, focused mind, and chill of the deep).

59, there's only those bosses and the initial guardians (the ones where you kill one, that gate opens and the rest of the guardians disappear). I usually just start clearing and stuff before the rest of the party gets there, since I stone and most of the time the majority of the party flies.

AFAIK, you DONT have to kill a ****load of mobs to get to guardians. And not clearing those mobs/walkers is what usually comes biting back at you for a squad wipe <.<. So instead of letting a sin kill the guardian by skipping all those mobs, I'd rather clear them with the squad and have it way safer.

Last I checked bosses are immune to movement debuffs, so unless the sin has a cool way of taking aggro on the boss from an archer or wizard (who did enough damage to steal aggro in the first place due to their idiocy), pretty sure all of them are going turn tail and run asap.

The role of sins in squads would primarily be almost the same as what archers do. However with their teleport skills available in dungeons, they can stun mobs running towards clerics/wizards/archers in a flash and give the tank time to retake aggro. So more to say, they would be sort of part DD part aggro control.

If I see a sin doing heroics like skipping mobs, I'd boot him/her cos the last thing I want is a mob to come back biting when we're killing the boss.

I usually try to do aggro control if I'm in a party in BH! Unless I'm distracted by shiny things... (it happens) b:surrender

Seriously though, I think assassin damage can get pretty high if only because of the constant ability to spark. And chill, if you skill spam with that on. I'm gonna keep my mouth shut on this though cause I don't know what kinds of numbers fly off Psychic/Wiz screens =P