Nerf Purge/Debuff

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  • Escorian - Dreamweaver
    Escorian - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,802 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    damn and here i thought people were gonna stop posting on this thread well anyways back on topic

    as stated many times before there is no way they will nerf the spell it would be too hard to make it a difference with pvp and pve and also nerfing it will cause it to glitch against pve mobs thus making tons more QQ threads then this one.
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  • Lyritha - Heavens Tear
    Lyritha - Heavens Tear Posts: 447 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    I'd like to say nerfing anything would be ridiculous. It is like people playing other classes do not want a veno to have anything. Venomancers have only 2 buffs one which only lasts 15 seconds. Take away purge and it becomes heavily unfair to those playing a venomancer. It sounds to me like only people who got beat up by a higher level make these kind of threads. Suck it up, get better at the game.
  • sefis
    sefis Posts: 32 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    I can see why Bramble and Purge would be nerfed, but it would only make sense in pk mode (maybe). Even then... I've never needed a purge, so I don't know too much about it. Bramble is just awesome. Honestly, most mobs die a tad too fast to worry about purging. I'll be honest, I play a bit of each class and on my cleric, only class I have trouble with is veno, but only on the ground where they have their pet. (2v1 and my genie is PvE, not PvP). Honestly, purge doesn't affect me that badly (unless I buffed them before fighting). But it is annoying to try to rebuff with two characters hitting you.

    As a veno however, I've never seen the use of purge in pvp. Why bother with the purge when I can just send my attacker in fast and then fire constant streams of skills to debuff them and use superior speed to kite them. If kited properly, clerics and wizards can get into a lock where they can only hit your slower pet. Barbs and BMs and Archers and Venos might pose some trouble, but nothing that can't be handled with some hit and run.

    But seriously, purge isn't very useful unless they are heavily buffed anyways. In which case, you aren't fighting one person. You are fighting one person being supported by other people or you are fighting a cleric. And if you are fighting a cleric, you have better things to do with your time than running up to them and getting hit. Clerics are squishy >:)
  • Lyritha - Heavens Tear
    Lyritha - Heavens Tear Posts: 447 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    sefis wrote: »
    I can see why Bramble and Purge would be nerfed, but it would only make sense in pk mode (maybe). Even then... I've never needed a purge, so I don't know too much about it. Bramble is just awesome. Honestly, most mobs die a tad too fast to worry about purging. I'll be honest, I play a bit of each class and on my cleric, only class I have trouble with is veno, but only on the ground where they have their pet. (2v1 and my genie is PvE, not PvP). Honestly, purge doesn't affect me that badly (unless I buffed them before fighting). But it is annoying to try to rebuff with two characters hitting you.

    As a veno however, I've never seen the use of purge in pvp. Why bother with the purge when I can just send my attacker in fast and then fire constant streams of skills to debuff them and use superior speed to kite them. If kited properly, clerics and wizards can get into a lock where they can only hit your slower pet. Barbs and BMs and Archers and Venos might pose some trouble, but nothing that can't be handled with some hit and run.

    But seriously, purge isn't very useful unless they are heavily buffed anyways. In which case, you aren't fighting one person. You are fighting one person being supported by other people or you are fighting a cleric. And if you are fighting a cleric, you have better things to do with your time than running up to them and getting hit. Clerics are squishy >:)

    Lets not assume clerics are squishy. I've seen quite a few builds where that is not the case. Remember you have control over your build and can choose LA or HA, to do so with a cleric would require a tome though. Also don't forget about VIT built clerics.
  • Cervantia - Sanctuary
    Cervantia - Sanctuary Posts: 197 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    @ OP & Saitada

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    @Topic:
    I see no need to nerf Purge. My reason is that many skills of many classes can be devestating and deadly, it just depends on how a person makes use of them. I've seen many Venos who never use purge no matter if PvE of PvP. The more PvP addicted ppl will always find a way to react towards a skill, their reaction (such as stun for example) might be counter reacted as well (genie skills, portions)and so on...
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  • Saitada - Sanctuary
    Saitada - Sanctuary Posts: 3,220 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    hateclowns wrote: »
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    Oh I also find the name you chose to title your poor attempt at photoshopping rather interesting.

    Pay back?

    What little cupcake? Did I annihilate you in a previous thread? Did some comment you made to me get one of your accounts banned? Did you get butthurt over something I said and think the only way you can 'pay me back' is to attempt to insult or imply something about my sexuality?

    Sorry, but I am neither a homosexual, nor threatened by anyone as pathetic as you and their homophobic antics.

    When you grow up and become secure in YOUR sexuality and not so terrified by others, you won't feel threatened, nor see anything threatening in anyone Else's sexuality. Nor will you feel the need to make disparaging comments about it, attempt to use it as a cut down, or dislike someone because of their sexual orientation.

    Some of my best friends are Homosexual. They know I am not, and we have no problems with each other. I respect them for who they are. Their worth as a human being is not lessened for me because they are homosexual. Just as a persons Race, or Religion does not change their worth to me as a human being.

    When you learn that little cupcake, you might just attain a reasonable facsimile of comfort within yourself. Until then, Have a nice day.

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    p.s. Considering how obsessive you are about my sexuality, it makes me wonder if the real reason you are trying to imply I am a homosexual is because you want to get with me. If that is the case, I am sorry to have to break this too you, but; I am firmly in the heterosexual category and don't swing that way. Sorry.
  • kariena1
    kariena1 Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    why the QQ about purge? if purge needs nerfed then so does a clerics purify right? oh and any class that has a skill or weapon proxy to take off buffs or debuffs.b:surrender
  • sefis
    sefis Posts: 32 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Lyritha - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Lets not assume clerics are squishy. I've seen quite a few builds where that is not the case. Remember you have control over your build and can choose LA or HA, to do so with a cleric would require a tome though. Also don't forget about VIT built clerics.
    I know. I used to be a HA cleric (I'm now LA/Arcane). But even so, can be pretty squishy. Vit for clerics gives less hp than say a barb.
  • Saitada - Sanctuary
    Saitada - Sanctuary Posts: 3,220 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Cervantia - Sanctuary wrote: »
    @ OP & Saitada

    Discussion is an exchange of knowledge, an argument an exchange of ignorance.
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    Interesting, I didn't know that person even existed and I was raised in Washington State. Thanks for bringing him to my attention....

    Well into his forties, Quillen hoped to become a great novelist. Macmillan published his two novels, One Man's Religion (1923) and The Path Wharton Found (1924). The first was "little more than a loose collection of pieces first published in the Saturday Evening Post," the second, a book which one reviewer called a "good enough conventional story, hampered by neither originality nor brilliancy." A decade later Quillen referred to these books as "fortunately out of print."

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  • Damewort - Sanctuary
    Damewort - Sanctuary Posts: 573 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Looking at it from bit different point of view - Nerfing Purge would mean that venomancers in PvP will count on their pet even more. At the moment, with some nice debuffs venomancer has a chance to win even with out pet. Venomancers have the weakest damage and they are rather squishy too. If wizard and cleric has a chance to kill fully buffed player, cause they have stronger spells, then veno can't really count on it. Veno's way to deal with it? Get rid of buffs aka purge. Ok, maybe not all venos use.

    From my experience (duels not pk), if I can't purge the enemy, then only way against arcanes is sealing/stuning and letting my pet deal the most of damage. With out purge, I guess, most venos will try to seal/stun the enemy and let the bugged birdy do the job.

    For some reason, I think that nerfing purge will cause even more QQ about venomancers in pvp.
  • Santacruz - Heavens Tear
    Santacruz - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,776 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    god i cant believe this thread is still going lol
  • Isala - Sanctuary
    Isala - Sanctuary Posts: 1,607 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    bunchocrap wrote: »
    Listen clearly. You just admitted you don't know how to purge.

    Stop Posting

    I'm "upset" (with lack of words) about Purge. Not the venos class. Get your facts straight.

    You also absolutely no idea what you're talking about. The 8x from a PvE server got me. I'm hit again!

    Oh this is juicy, missed this post.

    What ON EARTH ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT LMFAO.

    This entire time I've been talking about 1v1 veno vs veno PvP, where I'm frustrated because the veno purged my my veno's useless self buff. How did you know!!! O_O

    Let me just reiterate what i was saying because you're too stupid to comprehend. The fact that I, as a veno, can purge lets say, a cleric's plume shell, clerics buffs, wr buffs, etc; Lucky Scarab, Bleed, Pounce... dead.

    *Yawns* I think I've won here. Resorting to caps, and exclamation marks proves my point even more. You bring up the supposed "OPness" of a skill, I showed you the flaw in fighting every single class. Fighting someone of more, or even equal intelligence to you, purge alone has about the same effectiveness and running up, and farting in their faces. You're going to die either way. But, if you want, I'll throw some more scenarios where the Veno is pretty screwed. Just for lulz, lets say we're at endgame PvP. Every class is, for simplicity's sake, 90. Meaning, everyone has 3 sparks. Well, let's say you're a Veno, with Demon Purge, for that little bit of edge. Anyone you fight, with a full chi bar, WILL kill you, Purge, or no Purge. Why? It's quite simple. Mind games. You're thinking, "My OP Purge can just take out their Triple spark", right? Nope. Not happening. Why? Because your foe is smart. They understand the simple concept of using a weaker spark, IE, a single spark, which immediately poses a threat to you, making you need to purge, or take a ton of damage. So, what do you do? You purge, obviously, because purge is sooooo OP. Well, now you're screwed. They hit you with one attack, and now have 3 sparks again. They triple spark, and you're helpless to do a damn thing about it. Dead Veno, game over. And that's not even taking into consideration the use of Chi pots, which are a piece of cake to make.

    Wanna get class specific? How about a cleric, which uses a spark, making you purge, only to follow it up with Plume Shell? Or, reverse that. They put up Plume shell with enough Chi to nuke your **** immediately after. Now, as for a Wizard? Yeah. I'm talking about your class here, bub. You're not the only one with a wizard. Quit QQing about Earth Barrier. You're not useless without it. See Veno, nuke Veno. That's all there really is to it. Or, if you want to get fancy, in your later levels, use sleep. Archers? Yeah. Why the hell are you even purging an Archer anyway? They've only got a couple buffs, which aren't even worth purging in the first place? Oh noes, more Eva. To dodge what??? Spells don't miss, and neither do pet skills. Tigerform Barbs have a lot of passive abilities, even without the actual buffs. Go ahead and fight a Demon Barb. There's no attack loss, and a hell of a lot of HP and Defense to get through. Your purge isn't going to do a damn thing. BM? Again. Stunlock, or hell, they'll just cleave you a new one anyway. Not like buffs are really too hard to just pop up. Sprint out of your range, toss on a couple of buffs, and dash back into your face.

    Tell me where I'm wrong here. Come on. I dare you. I've fought some damn intelligent people in my PvP experience, and I don't even mean this cookies and milk version of PvP. Even here, people aren't as stupid as you seem to believe they are. Purge is only OP if the only thing you rely on is buffs. But, here's an idea for you. If having survivability is soooo important for you, even though you're the nuking class of the game, make some damage absorbing pots. It just takes a little bit of effort. Go farm some herbs, talk to an apothecary, and go fight someone. You don't even have to worry about being killed while farming, because, hey, you're on a PvE server. And you know what's the saddest thing about this whole situation? It's people like you who give us intelligent players a bad name because of our server. The way you talk, it sounds like the entirety of your PvP experience is in Duels. Which, here's a hint. Duels are nothing. There's no charm, there's no challenge, all it consists of is who can spam the most powerful spells in the shortest amount of time. Which means, wizards have a slight disadvantage. Yet... Ironically, I seem to win quite a few duels with my wizard. Even against *gasp* Venos. Why? Because I'm not a whiny noob who comes to the forums, and complains about something that beats me. No, I do research, talk to my friends who play those classes, experiment firsthand, and do whatever it takes to improve myself. Maybe you should try the same.
  • Legerity - Sanctuary
    Legerity - Sanctuary Posts: 1,072 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Isala - Sanctuary wrote: »
    snip

    World PvP, almost everyone is fully buffed. That's the difference between what he's on about and what you're comparing.

    1v1 PvP? I'm sure that matters little. Factor in huge guild fights because some phugmuffin PKed a grinding guildy? It matters a lot.

    A fully buffed wizard is scary. We're not talking about self buffs here...

    But hey, I ain't for either side since I don't really care. PvP system is broken anyway.
  • Korren - Lost City
    Korren - Lost City Posts: 339 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    This thread is totally pointless...
    let me try to get it closed..

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  • Breathe - Lost City
    Breathe - Lost City Posts: 146 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    bunchocrap wrote: »
    I think many of us can agree, Venomancer's Purge is absolutely the most broken skill in the game.

    Lets list the pros:

    2) Nearly impossible to dodge unless immune* or a perfectly timed Wizard distance shrink/Blademaster jump. Not to mention venomancers have up to 4? simultaneous stuns/freezes.(Lucky, hell Frost, Genie skills, Pounce)


    4) Cool down is tolerable and is spammable.



    2) The cast isn't that long.. you have time to stun or use some sort of genie skill to stop it.

    4) Since when was 30 seconds a SPAMMABLE skill?

    "butthurt much?"
  • Myralis - Sanctuary
    Myralis - Sanctuary Posts: 977 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Lol, an idiot will always find an "argument" why your answers invalid.

    -"youre a veno, QQ moar" -> well it should be venos that know their skills best...

    -"youre a bm/cleric/..., how can you know class?!"

    -"youre low level!!!11! you cant know!"

    -"Youre high, you can compensate by your ubergear!1!"


    I could go on with that a while, but unlike real morons I wont insult anyone by race/gender, whatever..

    So its just no use to try discussing with trolls lol
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  • WaffleChan - Sanctuary
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary Posts: 2,897 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    bunchocrap wrote: »
    I think many of us can agree, Venomancer's Purge is absolutely the most broken skill in the game.

    Lets list the pros:
    1) Purge has a VERY quick cast time.

    2) Nearly impossible to dodge unless immune* or a perfectly timed Wizard distance shrink/Blademaster jump. Not to mention venomancers have up to 4? simultaneous stuns/freezes.(Lucky, hell Frost, Genie skills, Pounce)

    3) Debuffs literally every single buff without fail.

    4) Cool down is tolerable and is spammable.

    5) Has no downside effect, for example Elemental Seal on a Cleric.

    6) Purge is NOT of the Wood element, so Anti-Wood Genie skills are useless.

    .
    LOL ITS SINANGEL, Y U PURGE!?!? (no jk sanc inside joke)

    seriously lets look at how wrong you are.

    1. all veno spells have a relatively quick cast, are you going to ask for a cut on those too?

    2. its not meant to be dodged, its one of their support moves, what does stuns have to do with anything either? frost doesnt stun, its a low chance to seal you.

    3. duh? it a 'purge'

    4. wow youre dumb, 30 second cooldown =/= spammable

    5. why would it be wood element, its not magic...
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  • Isala - Sanctuary
    Isala - Sanctuary Posts: 1,607 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Legerity - Sanctuary wrote: »
    World PvP, almost everyone is fully buffed. That's the difference between what he's on about and what you're comparing.

    1v1 PvP? I'm sure that matters little. Factor in huge guild fights because some phugmuffin PKed a grinding guildy? It matters a lot.

    A fully buffed wizard is scary. We're not talking about self buffs here...

    But hey, I ain't for either side since I don't really care. PvP system is broken anyway.

    World PvP, I could see a bit of difference, but isn't a Veno a prime target for getting WTFPWNT anyway? We've already got a bull's eye on our heads due to the Phoenix dilemma, so does it really matter anyway? A fully buffed wizard can kill a Veno long before they get in purge range, as can a fully buffed Archer, especially if they have the attack buff of a barb... A cleric could do the same as well. Another Veno, even with all buffs? Meh. You're not going to go purge a Veno, anyway, because they'll just purge you in return. The only ones it might hurt a bit would be the melee classes, since they'd lose a lot of buffs, but Barbs and BMs are a pain in the **** to kill anyway.

    I PvP quite a bit, despite being on a PvE server. The thing that scares me the most isn't an Archer, or a Barb, or a BM. It's not even another Veno, or even a wizard. The thing that scares the ever loving **** out of me is a cleric. For the exact same reasons I mentioned earlier. No matter what I purge, there's going to be more pain coming later, or a buttload more survivability. Say I purge a spark. They start spamming Ironheart Blessing, to give them a ton of HP, after putting up Plume Shell. I'm pretty much SoL at this point. I'm not breaking through the Shell + Healing in the time it takes them to get enough power to violate me, and they aren't about to give me time to re-Purge. Say I bleed them. Big deal. They have Purify. Do I QQ about clerics? Not one bit. I enjoy every single fight with them, but damn, are they a pain in the ****. Especially buffed... More HP, large resists, and more attack power... I'll be over here with an ice pack on my backside...
  • Ninnuam - Sanctuary
    Ninnuam - Sanctuary Posts: 1,086 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Korren - Lost City wrote: »
    This thread is totally pointless...
    let me try to get it closed..

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    WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »
    LOL ITS SINANGEL, Y U PURGE!?!? (no jk sanc inside joke)

    Ahaha this was going to be my reply to this XD Win b:laugh
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  • Saitada - Sanctuary
    Saitada - Sanctuary Posts: 3,220 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Isala - Sanctuary wrote: »
    World PvP, I could see a bit of difference, but isn't a Veno a prime target for getting WTFPWNT anyway? We've already got a bull's eye on our heads due to the Phoenix dilemma, so does it really matter anyway? A fully buffed wizard can kill a Veno long before they get in purge range, as can a fully buffed Archer, especially if they have the attack buff of a barb... A cleric could do the same as well. Another Veno, even with all buffs? Meh. You're not going to go purge a Veno, anyway, because they'll just purge you in return. The only ones it might hurt a bit would be the melee classes, since they'd lose a lot of buffs, but Barbs and BMs are a pain in the **** to kill anyway.

    I PvP quite a bit, despite being on a PvE server. The thing that scares me the most isn't an Archer, or a Barb, or a BM. It's not even another Veno, or even a wizard. The thing that scares the ever loving **** out of me is a cleric. For the exact same reasons I mentioned earlier. No matter what I purge, there's going to be more pain coming later, or a buttload more survivability. Say I purge a spark. They start spamming Ironheart Blessing, to give them a ton of HP, after putting up Plume Shell. I'm pretty much SoL at this point. I'm not breaking through the Shell + Healing in the time it takes them to get enough power to violate me, and they aren't about to give me time to re-Purge. Say I bleed them. Big deal. They have Purify. Do I QQ about clerics? Not one bit. I enjoy every single fight with them, but damn, are they a pain in the ****. Especially buffed... More HP, large resists, and more attack power... I'll be over here with an ice pack on my backside...

    /me rolls a cleric................

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  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    well you can cast soul degen so as to make it not able to heal *shrug*
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  • Devoted - Lost City
    Devoted - Lost City Posts: 3,634 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Anyone who doesn't agree that purge needs to be a bit nurfed (1 spark maybe?) is either:

    a) under 9x
    b) plays a veno
    c) is an idiot
  • Archers_Soul - Lost City
    Archers_Soul - Lost City Posts: 746 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    if any skill needs to be nerfed its undine strike with its instant coolown :p
    I don't care how old or young you are, how small your **** is, how much of a nerd irl you are or how depressed you are that you never will get laid. There is no reason to act like an A-hole to everyone on an mmorpg. Its a shame that I have to take time out of my day to tell people "stop being an A-hole". So I end with this, if your acting like an A-hole, and some one tells you your being an A-hole chances are your being an A-hole.
  • Saitada - Sanctuary
    Saitada - Sanctuary Posts: 3,220 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Devoted - Lost City wrote: »
    Anyone who doesn't agree that purge needs to be a bit nurfed (1 spark maybe?) is either:

    a) under 9x
    b) plays a veno
    c) is an idiot

    Anyone who thinks it needs nerfed is either

    a) a buff dependent idiot

    b) a buff dependent idiot that doesn't know how to use their self buffs after being purged.

    c) a buff dependent idiot that doesn't know how to use their self buffs after being purged and then kick a Veno's **** for purging them.

    I suspect it is all the above. Which boils down to, they are just an idiot.

    It always comes down to... "if you disagree with what I think, you are an idiot" in most of these arguments so let us just clear the air and state it plainly. You are all flippin idiots (me included).

    ~Saitada
  • Devoted - Lost City
    Devoted - Lost City Posts: 3,634 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    u would fall into category a) and b)
  • Boned - Lost City
    Boned - Lost City Posts: 212 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    I agree with this post actually, why should there be a debuff skill?

    I mean, it's not like we need to debuff barbs in TW so they're actually killable.

    It's not like we need to remove buffs in PvP to better be able to kill them (I mean, veno is one of strongest classes endgame, so why would we ever need such skills?)




    Ppl's QQ about veno's gets rather annoying. I can't wait until new classes to reroll, but I suspect there will be QQ about assassin's anyways.
  • Escorian - Dreamweaver
    Escorian - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,802 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Devoted - Lost City wrote: »
    u would fall into category a) and b)

    so your calling me an idiot? take a look at my lvl and class if you make it cost a spark how do you expect a veno to purge the ape boss?
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  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    edit: misread, meh
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  • Myralis - Sanctuary
    Myralis - Sanctuary Posts: 977 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »
    i dont think venos are a very spark dependent class :/

    Really?
    Ironwood scarab and passing spark both use chi and its two of the most important skills in instances you need(besides amplify and purge).

    So you wanna drain chi even more and make purge be able to miss on bosses? b:shocked Insane I say!
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  • Saitada - Sanctuary
    Saitada - Sanctuary Posts: 3,220 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Devoted - Lost City wrote: »
    u would fall into category a) and b)

    True I would. But considering that other 9x players that are NOT veno's are saying pretty much what I have...

    As in all things, it is just your opinion that the skill is over powered. Many would argue you feel that way because you fail at playing your class. I don't argue that, I suspect as usual that it is Veno envy.

    First it was QQ flesh ream (where was the QQ about purge then if it is SOOOOO overpowered?), then there was the crowing about bramblehood being nerfed in pvp (yup, I still laugh at that, but again.. where was the QQ about purge then?) then all the tears when the nix showed up (oh wait those still haven't stopped, but again.. no QQ about Purge even then), Then there was all the crowing about Genies are gonna kill flesh ream HA HA (but funny.. I still didn't see any QQ about Purge) and now.. because nothing else can be QQ about, Veno haters target another Veno skill in their never ending attempt to create a totally unplayable class they can PVP against w/o any fear or chance of being killed.

    Sorry.. take your veno envy and learn to play your class instead of trying to nerf my class into oblivion.

    ~Saitada
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