Nerf Purge/Debuff
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Lol, I suddenly feel like pming a mod or spoons hmhm..
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bunchocrap wrote: »Anything below 9x is considered "lowbie", on PvP servers.bunchocrap wrote: »
Ignorant people.
lol. Says the level 59 from a PvE server
You got a prob with my lvl -.-
I gotta go to school so i cant play that much, i dont do my crazy stone anymore and i dont always do my bounty hunt. Last thing, i got alts to lvl too so get lost trollb:byeHi! =^.^=
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bunchocrap wrote: »too bad the majority of them are from pve servers?
Get your facts straight pleaseb:cute
You are a complete idiot.
You respond by insulting me? Nice. I don't really see how I'm being idiotic. Guess I'm blind, right? Care to explain for me?
If someone else wants to bash venos some more (or actually make a *gasp* intelligent discussion that doesn't involve the words "Dreamweaver" "Harshlands" "lowbie" or any related terms), they can. But I doubt anyone who agreed with you with ANY common sense was driven away by you insulting people left and right (and them insulting back.) You drove away most of your intelligent audience a while back.0 -
My HA wizzy fails >.>
Making it level 100 to do a better job. It takes a lot of planning to do. He has 6k HP, 6k pdef, 5k mdef unbuffed but he has to use a lvl 80 weapon at lvl 90 b:surrenderSins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze0 -
IDaun - Dreamweaver wrote: »You respond by insulting me? Nice. I don't really see how I'm being idiotic. Guess I'm blind, right? Care to explain for me?
If someone else wants to bash venos some more (or actually make a *gasp* intelligent discussion that doesn't involve the words "Dreamweaver" "Harshlands" "lowbie" or any related terms), they can. But I doubt anyone who agreed with you with ANY common sense was driven away by you insulting people left and right (and them insulting back.) You drove away most of your intelligent audience a while back.
I'm not bashing venos, I'm asking simply to nerf a skill a veno has. But its hard when all of these nubs from PvE servers, low levels, and complete idiots gang up on me and think they know what they're talking about.0 -
bunchocrap wrote: »I'm not bashing venos, I'm asking simply to nerf a skill a veno has. But its hard when all of these nubs from PvE servers, low levels, and complete idiots gang up on me and think they know what they're talking about.
Never said you were. The thread started out good. You listed pros, cons, etc...
It was the fact that you couldn't or wouldn't let those that disagreed with you disagree, and let it build up to a flamewar/nonstop insulting with vague points thrown in here and there.
If you post in here, people are gonna respond-- even if you ask for only a certain demographic.
That's the only issue I have... the instant you used PvE as an insult, and started throwing around level req based on the person's avatar-- that's when it went downhill.
Btw, the fact that you singled out venos was asking for abuse because a lot of them will see it as more veno-hate. Which is way too common. Aka, Veno-Bashing. Gotta ignore that too if you wanted this thread to work.
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bunchocrap wrote: »I'm not bashing venos, I'm asking simply to nerf a skill a veno has. But its hard when all of these nubs from PvE servers, low levels, and complete idiots gang up on me and think they know what they're talking about.
They do know what there talking about and you know that the skill your QQing about is not going to be changed anytime soon so theres no point of QQing about a skill when its not going to be changed.
Lastly how can you call people lowbies when you are just a alt a person with no lvl. If you would use you main that you can say all that dumb stuff about lowbies even tho it wont make much of a difference.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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SilverCleric - Lost City wrote: »They do know what there talking about and you know that the skill your QQing about is not going to be changed anytime soon so theres no point of QQing about a skill when its not going to be changed.
I'm QQing? No I'm not.
Did you even read my OP? I said this:bunchocrap wrote: »
Tell me what you all think, I hope the devs read this. I know its probably impossible to change the game mechanics of this ridiculous skill, but I'm just getting the idea across.
I really don't know if the skill is going to be changed "anytime soon". At least I'm talking about it right?SilverCleric - Lost City wrote: »Lastly how can you call people lowbies when you are just a alt a person with no lvl. If you would use you main that you can say all that dumb stuff about lowbies even tho it wont make much of a difference.
I can call people lowbies because that's the general consensus if playing on a PvP server. At 9x --> 10x people actually take the time to refine their gear/get good gear. That is when PvP gets interesting. Lowbies (Below 9x) have rarely dealt with any sort of real PvP where purge can be extremely devastating. Understand now?
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It's lame when all a venomancer has to do is purge you and you're dead. Like some idiot said a few pages back, "It's like getting up close to you and farting in your face, youre dead no matter what"0 -
Your arguments about people being on PvE servers are uberfail. Every server has a PK mode. And honestly, as a veno whose friend list is 80% venos... I can tell you that purge isn't used that often. We rarely have a chance to, and in many cases it's not worth the few seconds of vulnerability, especially not against high DD classes. About the only time it's feasible to use is when you've gotten the drop on someone and sealed them with nova, or if you have hood up already and want to be in fox form anyway to live a bit longer. And honestly, the majority of times I purge, I do lose anyway. So if purge is so OP to you... well, QQ moar. It just shows that you can't PvP.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
So, I heard HA veno is the way to go?
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I didnt read all pages but lets see
Lets list the pros:bunchocrap wrote: »Lets list the pros:
1) Purge has a VERY quick cast time.
2) Nearly impossible to dodge unless immune* or a perfectly timed Wizard distance shrink/Blademaster jump. Not to mention venomancers have up to 4? simultaneous stuns/freezes.(Lucky, hell Frost, Genie skills, Pounce)
3) Debuffs literally every single buff without fail.
4) Cool down is tolerable and is spammable.
5) Has no downside effect, for example Elemental Seal on a Cleric.
6) Purge is NOT of the Wood element, so Anti-Wood Genie skills are useless.
*absolute domain, various immune pots
Cons
1) Have to be in fox form (big deal) and 10 meters away (big deal)
2) That's basically it.
In PvP:
My suggestions to fix purge are the following:
1) Have a longer cast.
2) Some kind of downside effect, ei: Armor break, Mdef decrease, SOMETHING.
3) And probably the biggest suggestion: Only removing 1-3 RANDOM buffs when successfully purged. Not EVERY single buff.
4) Probably a stupid suggestion, but a chance to fail purge.
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Tell me what you all think, I hope the devs read this. I know its probably impossible to change the game mechanics of this ridiculous skill, but I'm just getting the idea across.
1. channeling 1.5 (1.2 cast). I dont call that very quick, many times I get stunned before doing this and probably bcause they see me fast enough.
2. agree but you can see venos coming in close range (usually for casting debuffs not to embrace you). in tw for example, if i succeed casting a purge/amplify on some barb/cleric i'm getting stun locked 90% of the times from bm's and archers.
3. some skills have chances so they can fail, others doesnt fail at all but doesnt last long (this is one of my favorites parts of this game compared to others). this skill is one that doesnt fail but its not a debuff either.
4. not quite spammable but if you are going to stay fox form all the time than this is your job in your team
5. because its not really a debuffs, it is buff canceling
6. again, this is not a debuff. if you have played other games which have this skill then you know it is not a debuff
Cons
1. it is a big deal, many arcane venos never gonna go in fox form and also in stunlockers range. i've died enough times going in close range as a LA veno to know that might be even harder for arcane venos to do this.
2. ?
Like I said, not many arcane venos are going to sacrifice themselves going in close range. brable hood is like 2 seconds and you have to be in human form then cast fox form. Veno debuffs are, lets say a bit OP when you are in a team. After you cast purge/amplify on a barb/cleric (usually my preferate targets) your job is almost done. They arent dead targets (yet) but archers/wizards from your group will do the rest, it is called team work.
If buffs arent OP then purge isnt either but because of the percentage thing some classes (like barb for example and not only) are harder to kill at higher lvls and highly refined equipment. This is where this kind of skills shine in pvp.
The worst part is for cleric (i've played one) when you have to buff and rebuff over and over again... for other classes buffs are just like 1-2 clicks of a button but its way faster than 60 sec cooldown.0 -
Marista - Lost City wrote: »Your arguments about people being on PvE servers are uberfail. Every server has a PK mode. And honestly, as a veno whose friend list is 80% venos... I can tell you that purge isn't used that often. We rarely have a chance to, and in many cases it's not worth the few seconds of vulnerability, especially not against high DD classes. About the only time it's feasible to use is when you've gotten the drop on someone and sealed them with nova, or if you have hood up already and want to be in fox form anyway to live a bit longer. And honestly, the majority of times I purge, I do lose anyway. So if purge is so OP to you... well, QQ moar. It just shows that you can't PvP.
This is proof you have no idea what you're talking about.
Purge is used constantly in REAL, PVP. But you wouldn't know that would you? Any veno who doesn't purge or who doesn't know HOW to purge successfully is a fail moron who doesn't deserve to post in this thread.
You lose because you're a lowbie. Get to 9x, experience mas pvp on Lost City, then get back to me.0 -
HA wizard is done
pretty impressive, but i think i rather have 13k-15k mag atk OVERKILL FTW! b:chuckle
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what did i miss? o.oSins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze0 -
Forgive me for thinking you're full of **** for calling me a lowbie at 7x when you've given no proof that you have any higher level of experience. I purge when it's convenient--when it's not it tends to get one killed. Please, don't try to tell me how to play my class unless you can show some evidence you have more experience at it than I do. It just makes you look silly.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
So, I heard HA veno is the way to go?0 -
I didnt read all pages but lets see
Lets list the pros:
1. channeling 1.5 (1.2 cast). I dont call that very quick, many times I get stunned before doing this and probably bcause they see me fast enough.
2. agree but you can see venos coming in close range (usually for casting debuffs not to embrace you). in tw for example, if i succeed casting a purge/amplify on some barb/cleric i'm getting stun locked 90% of the times from bm's and archers.
3. some skills have chances so they can fail, others doesnt fail at all but doesnt last long (this is one of my favorites parts of this game compared to others). this skill is one that doesnt fail but its not a debuff either.
4. not quite spammable but if you are going to stay fox form all the time than this is your job in your team
5. because its not really a debuffs, it is buff canceling
6. again, this is not a debuff. if you have played other games which have this skill then you know it is not a debuff
Cons
1. it is a big deal, many arcane venos never gonna go in fox form and also in stunlockers range. i've died enough times going in close range as a LA veno to know that might be even harder for arcane venos to do this.
2. ?
Like I said, not many arcane venos are going to sacrifice themselves going in close range. brable hood is like 2 seconds and you have to be in human form then cast fox form. Veno debuffs are, lets say a bit OP when you are in a team. After you cast purge/amplify on a barb/cleric (usually my preferate targets) your job is almost done. They arent dead targets (yet) but archers/wizards from your group will do the rest, it is called team work.
If buffs arent OP then purge isnt either but because of the percentage thing some classes (like barb for example and not only) are harder to kill at higher lvls and highly refined equipment. This is where this kind of skills shine in pvp.
The worst part is for cleric (i've played one) when you have to buff and rebuff over and over again... for other classes buffs are just like 1-2 clicks of a button but its way faster than 60 sec cooldown.
1) It is quick.
2) Not in mas pvp or TW where there is more than 1 target keeping your attention. It's very simple to debuff anyone. If anyone disagrees with that you don't know anything about PvP.
3) What are you talking about... It's not a debuff? .....
4) It is spammable when: Debuff , go back to human, do a few attacks, and by then you're able to purge again.
5) ...It's a debuff. Even gets rid of necessary self buffs such as Wizards Stone Barrier. .
6) ...I have concluded you are a troll.
cons:
1) What lol. You know Venos have multiple stuns right? It's VERY easy to immobilize a target as a veno, and then purge. Venos in fox form also have high survivability, who cares if you're stun locked by a WR for a short while.
Ya they aren't dead targets.. YET. But anyone who is purged is extremely squishy, especially with a Nix + Bleed + other people attacking that same target.0 -
Marista - Lost City wrote: »Forgive me for thinking you're full of **** for calling me a lowbie at 7x when you've given no proof that you have any higher level of experience. I purge when it's convenient--when it's not it tends to get one killed. Please, don't try to tell me how to play my class unless you can show some evidence you have more experience at it than I do. It just makes you look silly.
I dont have to prove anything. The fact I am knowledgeable of the game and know how devastating Purge is, proves I know more than you do.
The fact you only purge when "convenient" also proves how ignorant you are. Like i said before, I could very well be a Veno, but I'm going to keep that a secret because people always love to judge and criticize.0 -
bunchocrap wrote: »1) It is quick.
2) Not in mas pvp or TW where there is more than 1 target keeping your attention. It's very simple to debuff anyone. If anyone disagrees with that you don't know anything about PvP.
3) What are you talking about... It's not a debuff? .....
4) It is spammable when: Debuff , go back to human, do a few attacks, and by then you're able to purge again.
5) ...It's a debuff. Even gets rid of necessary self buffs such as Wizards Stone Barrier. .
6) ...I have concluded you are a troll.
cons:
1) What lol. You know Venos have multiple stuns right? It's VERY easy to immobilize a target as a veno, and then purge. Venos in fox form also have high survivability, who cares if you're stun locked by a WR for a short while.
Ya they aren't dead targets.. YET. But anyone who is purged is extremely squishy, especially with a Nix + Bleed + other people attacking that same target.
Actually, purge isnt a debuff. It doesnt lower your base stats, it get rids of skills that raise your base stats not affecting your base stats.Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze0 -
Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »Actually, purge isnt a debuff. It doesnt lower your base stats, it get rids of skills that raise your base stats not affecting your base stats.
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aka Debuff.0 -
bunchocrap wrote: »1-once anyone is purged, they're dead, especially when more than 1 person attacks the same target.
2-Flesh Ream, Pounce, Bird Pecks, Amp, Lucky Scarab. Is this the "insanely low damage output" you're talking about? Need me to continue?
3-9x venos can kill other 9x with ease. stop posting.
4-You just made my point. Venos are one of the biggest killers in any PvP situation. You know why? Not only because of nix, but because of purge. And in any case, Veno's can PvP very well without purge too.
5-no **** its your "friend". Purge is every venos prized possession. How dare I talk about nerfing purge!
6-Also stop talking about 1v1ing Barbs.
7-How am I at all idiotic, stupid or have any lack of intelligence? I'm simply giving suggestions and talking on the behalf of many people on PVP SERVERS that purge is indeed broken. You're CLEARLY too stupid, idiotic and have a lack of any reasonable sign of intelligence to comprehend.
1-and a veno is dead if any 1 person attacks them even if they are fully buffed.
2-yes they all do insanely low damage. go get even halfway decent gear and all veno damage will feel like a bug bite.
3-only the ones that completely SUCK ****. venos cant kill decent 9x players 1v1.
4-guess you cant read. the only reason venos can kill anyone is because 98% of people in this game are completely horrible players who are too stupid to understand how to play this game which requires almost 0 skill. venos cant even kill a large % of that 98% just because they spent large amounts of money on their gears. even a complete idiot can survive a veno attacking them just by getting decent equips.
5-a venos prize possession is bramble hood not purge you dumb ****. just because you suck so bad you cant kill a veno before they get to you doesnt mean everyone else cant.
6-so why cant anyone mention barbs? i guess anything that proves you are an idiot and that you dont know what you are talking about no one should talk about.
7-i have never heard anyone on a PVP server whine about purge and i have played on both of them...learn to play nublet.0 -
Kardie - Dreamweaver wrote: »butthurt much?Korren - Lost City wrote: »butthurt much?
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Yeahhhhhhhhh, QQ more pl0x...because you are very wrong. Purge and our other debuff skills, save venos allowing them to pvp 1v1, and aside from that, our debuffs are what make party/group pvp fun. We are one of the biggest leading hands (HA! no pun intended)...so stfu and gtfo (sorry I had to be mean).0 -
Foxgrit - Lost City wrote: »1-and a veno is dead if any 1 person attacks them even if they are fully buffed.
2-yes they all do insanely low damage. go get even halfway decent gear and all veno damage will feel like a bug bite.
3-only the ones that completely SUCK ****. venos cant kill decent 9x players 1v1.
4-guess you cant read. the only reason venos can kill anyone is because 98% of people in this game are completely horrible players who are too stupid to understand how to play this game which requires almost 0 skill. venos cant even kill a large % of that 98% just because they spent large amounts of money on their gears. even a complete idiot can survive a veno attacking them just by getting decent equips.
5-a venos prize possession is bramble hood not purge you dumb ****. just because you suck so bad you cant kill a veno before they get to you doesnt mean everyone else cant.
6-so why cant anyone mention barbs? i guess anything that proves you are an idiot and that you dont know what you are talking about no one should talk about.
7-i have never heard anyone on a PVP server whine about purge and i have played on both of them...learn to play nublet.
1) Then your a ****ty veno.
2) Just wow. Venos attacks + bird pecks + bleed = low damage? You HONESTLY think that? LOL
3) You are the most ignorant person yet on this thread. Even worse than that level 77 nut case from Sanctuary. Venos can kill anyone at their same level. EASILY.
4) Ok let the people who suck die, I'm talking about REAL PVP where people know what they're doing. Even in real pvp with very experienced people, Purge can kill them so easily its not even funny.
5) lol ok Bramble hood for survivability. Purge for killing. The fact you're calling me names just proves how stupid you are.
6) What about barbs?
7) Uh lol. Sure LOL.LinZeta - Lost City wrote: »Went from page one to last page.
Yeahhhhhhhhh, QQ more pl0x...because you are very wrong. Purge and our other debuff skills, save venos allowing them to pvp 1v1, and aside from that, our debuffs are what make party/group pvp fun. We are one of the biggest leading hands (HA! no pun intended)...so stfu and gtfo (sorry I had to be mean).
I agree. Venos are the biggest leading hands. Aka OP.0 -
Show me a debuff status if you say it is a debuff, show me! I came back to the game and people are still qqing about nix bleed when there are 2 genie skills for that. You dont get stun locked by one WR, there are multiple WR in war.. and yes players get squishy but its not like venos from your team arent doing the same to kill a target. Purge is a catalyst for OP buffs and DD's.
I had my arguments and you come here and say that I'm a troll (3x posts in 1 year) and know nothing about pvp. If this is your argument than I'm sorry for you... you are not here to have a fair discussion like decent people.0 -
Show me a debuff status if you say it is a debuff, show me! I came back to the game and people are still qqing about nix bleed when there are 2 genie skills for that. You dont get stun locked by one WR, there are multiple WR in war.. and yes players get squishy but its not like venos from your team arent doing the same to kill a target. Purge is a catalyst for OP buffs and DD's.
I had my arguments and you come here and say that I'm a troll (3x posts in 1 year) and know nothing about pvp. If this is your argument than I'm sorry for you... you are not here to have a fair discussion like decent people.
I guess there are multiple ways to view "debuff". That it actually lowers your self stats like Devour, or "de" (takes away) buffs. Whichever the case, that isn't important at all. It takes away all buffs. Everything. Bleed does insanely more damage, Pecks do 3x as much, etc when a target is purged.
I never seen you post before, who are you?0 -
bunchocrap wrote: »I think many of us can agree, Venomancer's Purge is absolutely the most broken skill in the game.
Lets list the pros:
1) Purge has a VERY quick cast time.
2) Nearly impossible to dodge unless immune* or a perfectly timed Wizard distance shrink/Blademaster jump. Not to mention venomancers have up to 4? simultaneous stuns/freezes.(Lucky, hell Frost, Genie skills, Pounce)
3) Debuffs literally every single buff without fail.
4) Cool down is tolerable and is spammable.
5) Has no downside effect, for example Elemental Seal on a Cleric.
6) Purge is NOT of the Wood element, so Anti-Wood Genie skills are useless.
*absolute domain, various immune pots
Cons
1) Have to be in fox form (big deal) and 10 meters away (big deal)
2) That's basically it.
In PvP:
My suggestions to fix purge are the following:
1) Have a longer cast.
2) Some kind of downside effect, ei: Armor break, Mdef decrease, SOMETHING.
3) And probably the biggest suggestion: Only removing 1-3 RANDOM buffs when successfully purged. Not EVERY single buff.
4) Probably a stupid suggestion, but a chance to fail purge.
EDIT: 5) Have Purge cost 1 spark (Thanks devoted)
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Tell me what you all think, I hope the devs read this. I know its probably impossible to change the game mechanics of this ridiculous skill, but I'm just getting the idea across.
OMFG who the hell purged you and made you cry? post from your main might give some insight into why you are crying so hard. if you are to embarassed just say what class.the good Starr0 -
Starr - Harshlands wrote: »OMFG who the hell purged you and made you cry? post from your main might give some insight into why you are crying so hard. if you are to embarassed just say what class.
I have and played high 9x on nearly every class.0 -
Veno is basically the debuff class...what did you expect.
Or are you that bad that you need every possible buff on you to survive more than 3 seconds?0 -
Tisa - Dreamweaver wrote: »Veno is basically the debuff class...what did you expect.
Or are you that bad that you need every possible buff on you to survive more than 3 seconds?
Please tell that to everyone who pvPs. I dare you.
ANYONE (with the exception of barbs) who is purged/debuffed/whatever will die very quickly in any given situation.
Why dont people understand that? It's NOT about that player who got purged being bad, its about purge + veno attacks = dead, and there is very little one can do about it.0 -
It's kind of funny how you're trying to limit "real" PvP to a very exclusive group of people--aka, +9x on a PvP server--yet you claim you need not prove you're even a member. Granted, it's kind of irrelevant if you are, since even if what you say is true and purge is somehow WTFHAX at +9x, that really isn't a big portion of the population. Yes, 9x mass PvP is a kind of PvP but it is far from the only kind. Not everyone reaches 9x or even wants to, even on a PvP server. So we're talking, what, 10% of the population? 15% at max? Even if it was 20%, that's still a pretty big minority of the people playing with any regularity.
It's kind of silly to say 9x PvP is "real" PvP given that. Perhaps the dynamics are different, but I fail to see how 9x vs 9x is anymore "real" than 6x vs 6x. Or 5x vs 5x. Or hell, there are 3x PKers who attack other 3xs. It's not the same dynamic, but what makes it any less real? If anything, I laude those who start earlier, since it depends less on hax buffs and gear.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
So, I heard HA veno is the way to go?0 -
Tisa - Dreamweaver wrote: »Veno is basically the debuff class...what did you expect.
Or are you that bad that you need every possible buff on you to survive more than 3 seconds?
aha! ok now i understand why he is QQ ing. ty for the explanation.b:victorythe good Starr0 -
bunchocrap wrote: »Please tell that to everyone who pvPs. I dare you.
ANYONE (with the exception of barbs) who is purged/debuffed/whatever will die very quickly in any given situation.
Why dont people understand that? It's NOT about that player who got purged being bad, its about purge + veno attacks = dead, and there is very little one can do about it.
That's not true. You make it sound like veno's stomp over everybody just because of purge which is just wrong. Every good PvPer has already figured out how to deal with a veno and nix.
Even the ''squishy'' classes, especially post 90. How are you not getting this? Purge alone will never ever win a match alone against a good PvPer.Perhaps the dynamics are different, but I fail to see how 9x vs 9x is anymore "real" than 6x vs 6x. Or 5x vs 5x.
Sage/Demon, three sparks generally change how your toon functions in pvp compared to pre-89 levels.0 -
Marista - Lost City wrote: »It's kind of funny how you're trying to limit "real" PvP to a very exclusive group of people--aka, +9x on a PvP server--yet you claim you need not prove you're even a member. Granted, it's kind of irrelevant if you are, since even if what you say is true and purge is somehow WTFHAX at +9x, that really isn't a big portion of the population. Yes, 9x mass PvP is a kind of PvP but it is far from the only kind. Not everyone reaches 9x or even wants to, even on a PvP server. So we're talking, what, 10% of the population? 15% at max? Even if it was 20%, that's still a pretty big minority of the people playing with any regularity.
It's kind of silly to say 9x PvP is "real" PvP given that. Perhaps the dynamics are different, but I fail to see how 9x vs 9x is anymore "real" than 6x vs 6x. Or 5x vs 5x. Or hell, there are 3x PKers who attack other 3xs. It's not the same dynamic, but what makes it any less real? If anything, I laude those who start earlier, since it depends less on hax buffs and gear.
Thanks for this, you actually made a valid point and proved you're not completely ignorant. I guess maybe because you're on Lost City =]
I would say maybe 50% of a PvP server gets involved in some way or another, "mass pvp" where there are more than 6 people on the field. Sometimes even 40. Or even in TW, where there's up to 160 people with in the same spot.
It's not about who I am, in my OP, i said i'm speaking on behalf of that community. Because many people have brought this matter up. PvP and this game gets too lame with skills such as purge, the "isnta death" skill I like to call it. If anyone played pokemon, its like having those 20% 1HKO moves work 90% of the time. Bad analogy but I hope you get my point.
Real pvp can even be before 9x, I just said 9x because that is when people (in general) actually take the time to get good gear, like ive said a few posts back. This makes PvP more "fair" and real. At 9x - 10x, Bleed isn't as OP as it was at lower levels. At 7x, once bled you're going to die. But at higher levels, venos have to do more than just bleed to kill quickly, that's where Purge comes in...
It's funny because a veno is almost as devastating without using purge. But i'm not complaining about venos, just that Purge needs to be in some way; NERFED.Tisa - Dreamweaver wrote: »That's not true. You make it sound like veno's stomp over everybody just because of purge which is just wrong. Every good PvPer has already figured out how to deal with a veno and nix.
Even the ''squishy'' classes, especially post 90. How are you not getting this? Purge alone will never ever win a match alone against a good PvPer.
1v1 =/= mass pvp0
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