Nerf Purge/Debuff

Quilue - Sanctuary

Myralis - Sanctuary wrote: »

Really?
Ironwood scarab and passing spark both use chi and its two of the most important skills in instances you need(besides amplify and purge).

So you wanna drain chi even more and make purge be able to miss on bosses? b:shocked Insane I say!

that post was a misread and an inaccurate response to his post because i thought he was talking about something else, but i still stand by my statement that no, a veno is not a chi dependent class

ironwood's chi cost is not high

and the fact that they have a pass spark skill kind of says something doesn't it? that someone else could make better use of the sparks? that makes venos themselves not a spark dependent class to play.

you will know what "spark dependent" truly means if you pvp with a wizard, or a bm

also, i don't think anyone suggested that purge could miss, what are you talking about?

Saitada - Sanctuary

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

that post was a misread and an inaccurate response to his post because i thought he was talking about something else, but i still stand by my statement that no, a veno is not a chi dependent class

ironwood's chi cost is not high

and the fact that they have a pass spark skill kind of says something doesn't it? that someone else could make better use of the sparks? that makes venos themselves not a spark dependent class to play.

besides, i don't think anyone suggested that purge could miss, what are you talking about?

OP, or someone else in the thread commented that PURGE should have a chance to miss, and/or only debuff a percentage of buffs.

~Saitada

Myralis - Sanctuary

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

ironwood's chi cost is not high

25 chi. 1/4 spark ^.~

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

and the fact that they have a pass spark skill kind of says something doesn't it? that someone else could make better use of the sparks?
you will know what "spark dependent" truly means if you pvp with a wizard, or a bm

Well... its besides bramble and the debuffs the only thing a veno can do to help squads directly. Ya know, clerics&wiz can heal and buff, bm stun and archers can lower hp.
So its venos task to make sure tank got chi for his flesh reams and make the fight faster by debuffing and amplifying.
And if I do TT on veno and pass sparks to tank as often as skill allows, I rarely got 2 sparks ready to start an aoe.
You simply dish out a lot of chi sparking and spamming ironwood. Theyre not really chi-independent.

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

also, i don't think anyone suggested that purge could miss, what are you talking about?

Dont make me search it, but someone said in here before, it would be more fair if purge either took off only some buffs or actually could miss.

Aggramar - Lost City

Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »

True I would. But considering that other 9x players that are NOT veno's are saying pretty much what I have...

As in all things, it is just your opinion that the skill is over powered. Many would argue you feel that way because you fail at playing your class. I don't argue that, I suspect as usual that it is Veno envy.

First it was QQ flesh ream (where was the QQ about purge then if it is SOOOOO overpowered?), then there was the crowing about bramblehood being nerfed in pvp (yup, I still laugh at that, but again.. where was the QQ about purge then?) then all the tears when the nix showed up (oh wait those still haven't stopped, but again.. no QQ about Purge even then), Then there was all the crowing about Genies are gonna kill flesh ream HA HA (but funny.. I still didn't see any QQ about Purge) and now.. because nothing else can be QQ about, Veno haters target another Veno skill in their never ending attempt to create a totally unplayable class they can PVP against w/o any fear or chance of being killed.

Sorry.. take your veno envy and learn to play your class instead of trying to nerf my class into oblivion.

~Saitada

Quote for the truth.

And to clear up, I'm Lvl. 90 and have no problems with that skill at all. All Werefoxes (Venomancers) are hated targeted mainly because of the Nix, if they didn't have that no one would be crying about anything related to them. Learn to play your class, make strategies to overcome obstacles and stop being butthurt.

Quilue - Sanctuary

i think you mixed it up w/ Devoted's suggestion, and Devoted's post was what my post was referring to. No one asked for purge to take a spark and miss, that would be kind of terrible, (almost like aim low costing a spark and also having a chance to not paralyze oh wait! ok ok i digress)

that's the veno's job in a instance squad, sure, but i'm talking about fights. venos themselves in fights don't need sparks to kill someone as much as some other classes do.


if you want to put it that way, then you can say that every class is spark dependent just because every class has skills that uses sparks. but i know that a bm cannot stun-lock without sparks, and wizard's true spike potential can only be unleashed when they have sparks.

Myralis - Sanctuary

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

i think you mixed it up w/ Devoted's suggestion, and Devoted's post was what my post was referring to. No one asked for purge to take a spark and miss, that would be kind of terrible, (almost like aim low costing a spark and also having a chance to not paralyze oh wait! ok ok i digress)

that's the veno's job in a instance squad, but venos themselves in fights don't need sparks to kill someone as much as some other classes do.

if you want to put it that way, then you can say that every class is spark dependent just because every class has skills that uses sparks. but i know that a bm cannot stun-lock without sparks, and wizard's true spike potential can only be unleashed when they have sparks.

Didnt say that. But different persons suggested purge should either be able to miss or take a spark to be cast ^.~
And for the fact, its both hell unpractical for instances. And what use is PvP if you cant farm gear from the instances?
You can not reduce chi and sparks to PvP only, cause what you need to level up is PvE and nerfing that would be awful.

Quilue - Sanctuary

it is true that class balance must account for both aspects of game play, and you pointing that out reminds us of how important the veno class is to everyone.

perhaps should the skill have to be nerfed, it should work fully on bosses and mobs and have its effects reduced only against other players.

Myralis - Sanctuary

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

perhaps should the skill have to be nerfed, it should work fully on bosses and mobs and have its effects reduced only against other players.

Seconded.
But I still dont see the point why it should be nerfed anywhere. Fine, a veno purges you and you got what? 30 seconds of purge freeness if its maxed? I mean... kill the veno already? lol

Bah, Imo people telling it should be nerfed are just too lazy to find a way to fight with buffs off or rebuff b:cold Get skill if you wanna pvp instead of complaining a skill is op, damnit , meh. Or just be carebear lol

SilverCleric - Lost City

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

I didn't say "all" and clearly you missed the ":P". You took that sentence literally while the point was that PVP servers enable people to PK those who are much lower. A big difference between the two is that a typical PKer on a PVE server is a high level and well geared which is not true of an average person on a PVP server. A 6X cleric in PVP mode would fare badly on Sanctuary.

Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »

You misunderstood me I think....

I am not saying all PK'rs are jerks afraid of an even fight.

I am saying that the MINORITY of PVP'rs that actually ARE jerks, are generally the only ones lower level players see.

I personally think that most PVP'rs tend to target those around their own level. Otherwise the fun and risk just isn't there. It is the ones who don't on the other hand (and I believe they are a minority), that go after basically defenseless lower levels because they are easy and relatively risk free kills.

~Saitada

I agree, with both of you but i wasent taking the unfair pvping that seriously. b:chuckle

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver

Isala - Sanctuary wrote: »

*Yawns* I think I've won here. Resorting to caps, and exclamation marks proves my point even more. You bring up the supposed "OPness" of a skill, I showed you the flaw in fighting every single class. Fighting someone of more, or even equal intelligence to you, purge alone has about the same effectiveness and running up, and farting in their faces. You're going to die either way. But, if you want, I'll throw some more scenarios where the Veno is pretty screwed. Just for lulz, lets say we're at endgame PvP. Every class is, for simplicity's sake, 90. Meaning, everyone has 3 sparks. Well, let's say you're a Veno, with Demon Purge, for that little bit of edge. Anyone you fight, with a full chi bar, WILL kill you, Purge, or no Purge. Why? It's quite simple. Mind games. You're thinking, "My OP Purge can just take out their Triple spark", right? Nope. Not happening. Why? Because your foe is smart. They understand the simple concept of using a weaker spark, IE, a single spark, which immediately poses a threat to you, making you need to purge, or take a ton of damage. So, what do you do? You purge, obviously, because purge is sooooo OP. Well, now you're screwed. They hit you with one attack, and now have 3 sparks again. They triple spark, and you're helpless to do a damn thing about it. Dead Veno, game over. And that's not even taking into consideration the use of Chi pots, which are a piece of cake to make.

Wanna get class specific? How about a cleric, which uses a spark, making you purge, only to follow it up with Plume Shell? Or, reverse that. They put up Plume shell with enough Chi to nuke your **** immediately after. Now, as for a Wizard? Yeah. I'm talking about your class here, bub. You're not the only one with a wizard. Quit QQing about Earth Barrier. You're not useless without it. See Veno, nuke Veno. That's all there really is to it. Or, if you want to get fancy, in your later levels, use sleep. Archers? Yeah. Why the hell are you even purging an Archer anyway? They've only got a couple buffs, which aren't even worth purging in the first place? Oh noes, more Eva. To dodge what??? Spells don't miss, and neither do pet skills. Tigerform Barbs have a lot of passive abilities, even without the actual buffs. Go ahead and fight a Demon Barb. There's no attack loss, and a hell of a lot of HP and Defense to get through. Your purge isn't going to do a damn thing. BM? Again. Stunlock, or hell, they'll just cleave you a new one anyway. Not like buffs are really too hard to just pop up. Sprint out of your range, toss on a couple of buffs, and dash back into your face.

Tell me where I'm wrong here. Come on. I dare you. I've fought some damn intelligent people in my PvP experience, and I don't even mean this cookies and milk version of PvP. Even here, people aren't as stupid as you seem to believe they are. Purge is only OP if the only thing you rely on is buffs. But, here's an idea for you. If having survivability is soooo important for you, even though you're the nuking class of the game, make some damage absorbing pots. It just takes a little bit of effort. Go farm some herbs, talk to an apothecary, and go fight someone. You don't even have to worry about being killed while farming, because, hey, you're on a PvE server. And you know what's the saddest thing about this whole situation? It's people like you who give us intelligent players a bad name because of our server. The way you talk, it sounds like the entirety of your PvP experience is in Duels. Which, here's a hint. Duels are nothing. There's no charm, there's no challenge, all it consists of is who can spam the most powerful spells in the shortest amount of time. Which means, wizards have a slight disadvantage. Yet... Ironically, I seem to win quite a few duels with my wizard. Even against *gasp* Venos. Why? Because I'm not a whiny noob who comes to the forums, and complains about something that beats me. No, I do research, talk to my friends who play those classes, experiment firsthand, and do whatever it takes to improve myself. Maybe you should try the same.

A wizard without earth barrier is a piece of paper....a wizard with earth barrier is a force to not underestimate. Earth barrier is the MAIN wizard self buff that is leveled to 10 ASAP!

I wonder why people dont QQ about wizards? A wizard can wtfpwn you in under 4 seconds with 3 skills.

How so?
Undine strike - .5 second channel, 28.5 meter range, 60% fire, water and earth resistance debuff. This alone is pretty OP and yes i use it everytime im about to nuke the life out of someone in pvp and it is pretty much INSTANT!

Force of Will - .5 second channel, 28.5 meter range. Silences you for 5 seconds! You cant hurt me for 5 seconds but because of the cast, i can only attack you for 3 seconds but that is all i need for...

Glacial Snare- 2.5 channel, 28.5 meter range. Its a wizard's best friend. Our strongest non-spark nuke that can wtfpwn just about any class. Even if you are arcane, it still hurts really bad. Add a extreme poison and frenzy and watch the pretty big red number float up. A crit from this skill one shots just about everything.

And before a veno's purge has cooldown i can do this again!
A wizard can do all of this from a 28.5 meter range and yet no one complains about that?????

Saitada - Sanctuary

Nerf Wizards Now!!!

~Saitada

SilverCleric - Lost City

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »

A wizard without earth barrier is a piece of paper....a wizard with earth barrier is a force to not underestimate. Earth barrier is the MAIN wizard self buff that is leveled to 10 ASAP!

I wonder why people dont QQ about wizards? A wizard can wtfpwn you in under 4 seconds with 3 skills.

How so?
Undine strike - .5 second channel, 28.5 meter range, 60% fire, water and earth resistance debuff. This alone is pretty OP and yes i use it everytime im about to nuke the life out of someone in pvp and it is pretty much INSTANT!

Force of Will - .5 second channel, 28.5 meter range. Silences you for 5 seconds! You cant hurt me for 5 seconds but because of the cast, i can only attack you for 3 seconds but that is all i need for...

Glacial Snare- 2.5 channel, 28.5 meter range. Its a wizard's best friend. Our strongest non-spark nuke that can wtfpwn just about any class. Even if you are arcane, it still hurts really bad. Add a extreme poison and frenzy and watch the pretty big red number float up. A crit from this skill one shots just about everything.

And before a veno's purge has cooldown i can do this again!
A wizard can do all of this from a 28.5 meter range and yet no one complains about that?????

Why do you want people to QQ about wiz even tho you are right about all of what you said but wizzies die to easily unless there wearing LA. They have a OP move to balance out the low physical defense they have so I don't think theres much to QQ about wizzies.

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver

Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »

Nerf Wizards Now!!!

~Saitada

+1
Ever since lvl 60 grinding is like

pyrogram > gush -next- pyrogram > gush -next- pyrogram(crit) -next- pyrogram > gush -next- pyrogram> gush -next- pyrogram(crit) -next- which gets pretty boring.

And ever since lvl 80 pvp is like

undine strike > FoW > glacial snare -one shot-
undine strike > FoW > sandstorm -one shot-
undine strike > FoW > glacial snare -person lives- > gush -dead person-

which gets boring -.-

@SilverCleric
wait a sec and let me show you something

_makina_ - Sanctuary

Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »

Nerf Wizards Now!!!

~Saitada

Nuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!!!.....EBIL b:cry (yes, i misspelled evil on purpose).

Just playing.

Coraline - Lost City

I feel like this is a giant troll, people really can't be this stupid...

_makina_ - Sanctuary

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »

@SilverCleric
wait a sec and let me show you something

Nuuuuuuu.... lettem think us wizzies are squishy and feel sorry for us lol.

SilverCleric - Lost City

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »

@SilverCleric
wait a sec and let me show you something

Hey didn't say wizzies suck, I just do want to hear QQ about them even if there OP. b:surrender

Quilue - Sanctuary

people do QQ about wizards, it's called the archer forum. the subject pops up in any given archer thread no matter the topic

there's even a thread completely devoted to it, thinly disguised as "Archers vs Wizards, what class should i chose?" but really it means "hear 9x archers QQ"

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver

_makina_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

Nuuuuuuu.... lettem think us wizzies are squishy and feel sorry for us lol.

lol sorry but i gotta do this. Wizards deserve respect for what we can do >.>

SilverCleric - Lost City

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »

lol sorry but i gotta do this. Wizards deserve respect for what we can do >.>

If its owning everything in there path and yes they deserve some respect. b:victory

sandaili

Considering all of the really crappy drawbacks to being a veno, I don't see them removing this any time soon. Venos are pretty much the most nerfed class. Buggy pets, etc. etc.

Isala - Sanctuary

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »

A wizard without earth barrier is a piece of paper....a wizard with earth barrier is a force to not underestimate. Earth barrier is the MAIN wizard self buff that is leveled to 10 ASAP!

I wonder why people dont QQ about wizards? A wizard can wtfpwn you in under 4 seconds with 3 skills.

How so?
Undine strike - .5 second channel, 28.5 meter range, 60% fire, water and earth resistance debuff. This alone is pretty OP and yes i use it everytime im about to nuke the life out of someone in pvp and it is pretty much INSTANT!

Force of Will - .5 second channel, 28.5 meter range. Silences you for 5 seconds! You cant hurt me for 5 seconds but because of the cast, i can only attack you for 3 seconds but that is all i need for...

Glacial Snare- 2.5 channel, 28.5 meter range. Its a wizard's best friend. Our strongest non-spark nuke that can wtfpwn just about any class. Even if you are arcane, it still hurts really bad. Add a extreme poison and frenzy and watch the pretty big red number float up. A crit from this skill one shots just about everything.

And before a veno's purge has cooldown i can do this again!
A wizard can do all of this from a 28.5 meter range and yet no one complains about that?????

Earth Barrier is just one buff, which can be easily put on after the Veno is dead. Any Veno that runs headfirst into a Wizard's spell range just to purge should have their head examined... Wizard spells HURT... I normally have to pop an event pot the instant before I get hit just to get in the range of one. But once I do, it's actually not my Purge that is the Mage-Wrecker, it's my Fox Wallop. A massive reduction to channeling speed hurts wizards like no other debuff. 40% added to spells that already take several seconds to cast, combined with the melee hits of me, and my pet, and you start getting to the point where interrupts are the problem. Wizard tries to run, I hit them with Stunning blow. Several seconds of no running, and I've got a dead mage under my furry paws. Granted, I hurt like hell afterward, but that's what the purpose of using Leech while attacking is for. With any kind of luck, and once I hit Sage, no luck... I get my HP back in a hurry. Now... That wizard sees me, and launches a surprise attack? It's lights out, do not pass Go, do not collect 200 dollars, go directly to town... Honestly, this game has a nice balance to it. It's almost Rock Paper Scissors like, provided all people know how to play their classes. What would violate, destroy and otherwise brutalize one class would be completely ineffective on other.

And honestly, Mizuoni? I think it's the fact that being a Wizard requires a level of intelligence. I play both a Veno, and a Wizard. While I play both to their fullest potential, which makes them both complicated, all a noob has to do to with with a Veno is send pet, heal pet. Not effective, but it does the job. Unlike wizards, where we have to actually be in danger from time to time. Therefore, since Venos are obviously so easy, they must be OP, whereas Wizards are obviously so hard, they must be ridiculously underpowered. Though, I gotta make a sidenote here. I'm actually finding the Wizard to be easier. There's just something satisfying about Point, Click, Kill.

Waterboy - Lost City

there was a thread about this once ._.

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=300502&highlight=purge&page=5

if u think about pretty muc everythin a veno would be a pretty normal for a character

if it didnt hav a pet -_-

Isala - Sanctuary

Waterboy - Lost City wrote: »

there was a thread about this once ._.

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=300502&highlight=purge&page=5

if u think about pretty muc everythin a veno would be a pretty normal for a character

if it didnt hav a pet -_-

You know, I never really have understood why we need pets in the first place. Everyone says Venos are nothing without the pets, I say BS. Just give us a tiny little buff in our normal spells to compensate, and we're good as gold. Our Fox skills don't even need fixing.

bunchocrap

Internet went out last night, had to work today, hence the delay.

Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »

I notice you failed to make any comment what so ever when I laughed at your idea of "mass pvp".

I have no idea what you're talking about. I notice you failed to make any comment to the fact you are a 7x on a PvE server. THAT RIGHT THERE is proof enough that you have NEVER (and probably will never) deal with 9x-10x mass PvP on an open PvP server.

Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »

I noticed that you failed to make any comment about the chance to lose 100% of what you have in a PVP fight.

Uh.. what?

Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »

I notice you failed to attempt to rebutt my PVP experience there, but attempt to make statements about it when referring to my server here.

This is PWI PvP. Not any other game.

Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »

I notice your failed attempt to explain why PURGE, which has been around since Veno's began.. if so over powered.. has failed to actually do that. Let us use your argument...

Simply because you just dont understand or have experienced anything to do with what im talking about.

Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »

"Just because it wasn't talked about before, doesn't mean people don't talk about it generally."

Your words.

Notice the contradiction? If not let me point it out to you.

"Just because it wasn't talked about before"

contradiction

"doesn't mean it isn't talked about generally"

Let me rephrase because you're too stupid to figure it out. "Just because it wasn't talked about before ON THE FORUMS, doesn't mean it isn't talked about generally IN GAME"

And actually, there was a thread about it several months ago in the PvP section, I"m too lazy to grave dig atm. Thread starter was Asgenar. Now what?

Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »

I stress this again, if PURGE was so broken.. it would have had the same amount of QQ about it as Flesh Ream has.

No, because Flesh Ream at lower levels is devastating. At high 9x and 10x, bleed is not as devastating as the effects and outcome of what Purge can do. But you wouldn't know that would you?

Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »

The fact is.. you want to be able to kill without risk. You want a fat easy simple target that has no chance to fight back.

.. What? Venos have incredibly high survivability. LOL Any decent geared LA veno at mid9x can have ~6.5k HP unbuffed.

Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »

You say "fox form is no big deal" but here you are wrong, for a Veno to do any damage, they have to be out of fox form. It is way too easy to ground a Nix. That leaves the veno having to recall the pet, and send it back out. In the mean time, they die.

......

Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »

My being on a PVE server, has NOTHING to do with my PVP experience. Get that through your thick, dumb, moronic skull.

LOL

Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »

Come play a REAL PVP game where risk -vs- reward means the risk is you losing everything you have on you if you die. Where REAL fights involve 500-1200+ players duking it out. Where the consequences of failure can be having to rebuild from scratch. Where from DAY ONE.. you are in a pure PVP based environment with a chance to be attacked and killed from the second you create your character.

Come actually experience yourself with max level mass pvp which is quite frequent on the 2 pvp servers. Then talk.

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

His first post at least had a semblance of a reasoned arguement and contained a list of pros and cons while your first calls him cupcake and a pansy.

Exactly. Shows how intelligent this one is!

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

Also veno is the only class with a 100% purge. A barb lvl 100 skill has a 20% chance to purge, the starter skill on a longevity genie has something like a 5% chance to purge, and the lunar bow and assorted TT99 weapons has a 5% chance to purge as well. From my pvp experience the purge on the bow happens every 4-5 kills.

Exactly.

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

Being on a pve server does not preclude someone from having pvp knowledge as you can get just as red on a pve server as a pvp. I would think the main difference is that most pvp on a pve server occurs between 8x and 9x players while on a pvp server it is between a 9x player and a 3x player :P

No.

Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »

I agree, but the fact the veno has to be close enough to be melee killed, to purge, basically totally negates his argument. If I am that close to a blademaster and he doesn't stunlock me, he should hang up his toon. If I am that close to a barb and he doesn't chew me into little bits, even after being purged, he should simply quit playing. If I am that close to (what was it, a cleric? Archer?) that doesn't put me to sleep.. well anyway you get what I am saying.

Being close isn't a problem at all. The fact that you have a problem purging means you are a complete nub and don't know how to play your class correctly.

Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »

As for the PVP aspects, He refused to comment at all when I laid out my gaming experience. He just went back to pointing out the server I was on because he couldn't argue my experience, he could only try to make it an issue between PVE and PVP server players at that point~S

Yet again, gaming experience has nothing to do with what we're talking about. My god can someone shove some common sense into this dumbass?

Kardie - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I stopped taking him serious after he said he was a 65 wizard on dreamweaver after telling people to gtfo cause they were on a pve server. Even after 12 pages, my questions is still the same,


Butthurt much?

Sorry, next time I'll put /Sarcasm at the end of my post.

LMFAO

Reikara - Heavens Tear wrote: »

By taking out purge you would be taking out our, and some other classes only chance of killing a barb in pvp, therefore making him invincible.

If you knew a real thing or two about pvp, you wouldnt've made this thread to begin with.

I NEVER SAID TO TAKE OUT PURGE.

Stop posting.

brb while i respond to the rest of this..

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver

@Isala
OMG! You have the heavy wizard! How is that going along? Ya wizard is pretty pointless past lvl 60 if you know what you are doing. Everything drops dead so easily....
Maybe i should rephrase...earth barrier is still the most important skill for an arcane wizard not as much as it is for LA or HA. If the OP is an arcane wizard, he is depending on earth barrier to live.

but why do people QQ about a bird when you have this that has aoes and an actual brain instead of programming controlling it>http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=76977960271230ef

people confuse me sometimes really. I mean, if i go and one shot someone they have no problem but as soon as a bird comes by and hits them with bleed over 5 seconds its a huge problem and blah blah blah! b:sweat

Myralis - Sanctuary

bunchocrap wrote: »

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Stop posting.

brb while i respond to the rest of this..

+yawnies+ Go away already, fail troll, kk?
Or should we stop posting cause you got no more arguments and are running low on insults too? b:chuckle

IDaun - Dreamweaver

Waterboy - Lost City wrote: »

there was a thread about this once ._.

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=300502&highlight=purge&page=5

if u think about pretty muc everythin a veno would be a pretty normal for a character

if it didnt hav a pet -_-

Bull. I've gone solo (aka, WITHOUT my pet) with my veno before. I was eaten alive-- and this was just on mobs my level (didn't have a water pet). Arcane venos don't have the power a wizzie does, nor the heals a cleric does.

Then again, my veno has quite a bit of vit-- that might diminish her power a bit. I still don't think it compares to a wizzie's at all.

A fox form veno? Sure, I can give you that. Thing is, though-- can a fox form veno without heals solo TT/etc? No. Can a Arcane veno solo without a tank? No.

Venos ARE the solo class.

On topic-- I know I'm some idiot from a PvE server-- but learn how to play unbuffed, plz. I highly doubt you walk around in PvP constantly buffed. And if you haven't killed someone unbuffed-- learn to play your class. Complaining that your buffs are taken away is like saying that you can only beat someone in PvP if you are fully prepared-- like a duel.

Go reroll on a PvE server and own duels, if you think like that.

PvP only if you can take people no matter what's going on.

SilverCleric - Lost City

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »

@Isala

but why do people QQ about a bird when you have this that has aoes and an actual brain instead of programming controlling it>http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=76977960271230ef

people confuse me sometimes really. I mean, if i go and one shot someone they have no problem but as soon as a bird comes by and hits them with bleed over 5 seconds its a huge problem and blah blah blah! b:sweat

So true on that statement. +1

bunchocrap

Devoted - Lost City wrote: »

Anyone who doesn't agree that purge needs to be a bit nurfed (1 spark maybe?) is either:

a) under 9x
b) plays a veno
c) is an idiot

Finally someone with common sense on a PVP SERVER

Isala - Sanctuary wrote: »

*Yawns* I think I've won here. Resorting to caps, and exclamation marks proves my point even more. You bring up the supposed "OPness" of a skill, I showed you the flaw in fighting every single class. Fighting someone of more, or even equal intelligence to you, purge alone has about the same effectiveness and running up, and farting in their faces. You're going to die either way.

Uh, I'm glad you realize Purge kills.

Isala - Sanctuary wrote: »

But, if you want, I'll throw some more scenarios where the Veno is pretty screwed. Just for lulz, lets say we're at endgame PvP. Every class is, for simplicity's sake, 90. Meaning, everyone has 3 sparks. Well, let's say you're a Veno, with Demon Purge, for that little bit of edge. Anyone you fight, with a full chi bar, WILL kill you, Purge, or no Purge. Why? It's quite simple. Mind games. You're thinking, "My OP Purge can just take out their Triple spark", right? Nope. Not happening. Why? Because your foe is smart. They understand the simple concept of using a weaker spark, IE, a single spark, which immediately poses a threat to you, making you need to purge, or take a ton of damage. So, what do you do? You purge, obviously, because purge is sooooo OP. Well, now you're screwed. They hit you with one attack, and now have 3 sparks again. They triple spark, and you're helpless to do a damn thing about it. Dead Veno, game over. And that's not even taking into consideration the use of Chi pots, which are a piece of cake to make.

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT. How does purge have to do with sparks!? I will reiterate AGAIN. If you dont know how to purge, then GTFO of this thread.

Isala - Sanctuary wrote: »

Wanna get class specific? How about a cleric, which uses a spark, making you purge, only to follow it up with Plume Shell? Or, reverse that. They put up Plume shell with enough Chi to nuke your **** immediately after. Now, as for a Wizard? Yeah. I'm talking about your class here, bub. You're not the only one with a wizard. Quit QQing about Earth Barrier. You're not useless without it. See Veno, nuke Veno. That's all there really is to it. Or, if you want to get fancy, in your later levels, use sleep. Archers? Yeah. Why the hell are you even purging an Archer anyway? They've only got a couple buffs, which aren't even worth purging in the first place? Oh noes, more Eva. To dodge what??? Spells don't miss, and neither do pet skills. Tigerform Barbs have a lot of passive abilities, even without the actual buffs. Go ahead and fight a Demon Barb. There's no attack loss, and a hell of a lot of HP and Defense to get through. Your purge isn't going to do a damn thing. BM? Again. Stunlock, or hell, they'll just cleave you a new one anyway. Not like buffs are really too hard to just pop up. Sprint out of your range, toss on a couple of buffs, and dash back into your face.

Oh my jesus you are beyond stupid. I'm not talking about 1v1 self buffs. Are you THAT ignorant to everything Ive been saying up to this point?

Isala - Sanctuary wrote: »

Tell me where I'm wrong here. Come on. I dare you. I've fought some damn intelligent people in my PvP experience, and I don't even mean this cookies and milk version of PvP. Even here, people aren't as stupid as you seem to believe they are. Purge is only OP if the only thing you rely on is buffs. But, here's an idea for you. If having survivability is soooo important for you, even though you're the nuking class of the game, make some damage absorbing pots. It just takes a little bit of effort. Go farm some herbs, talk to an apothecary, and go fight someone. You don't even have to worry about being killed while farming, because, hey, you're on a PvE server. And you know what's the saddest thing about this whole situation? It's people like you who give us intelligent players a bad name because of our server. The way you talk, it sounds like the entirety of your PvP experience is in Duels. Which, here's a hint. Duels are nothing. There's no charm, there's no challenge, all it consists of is who can spam the most powerful spells in the shortest amount of time. Which means, wizards have a slight disadvantage. Yet... Ironically, I seem to win quite a few duels with my wizard. Even against *gasp* Venos. Why? Because I'm not a whiny noob who comes to the forums, and complains about something that beats me. No, I do research, talk to my friends who play those classes, experiment firsthand, and do whatever it takes to improve myself. Maybe you should try the same.

You just admitted one has to resort to PK pots due to purge.

The fact you brought up duels just shows how completeyl off track and ignorant you are.

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From here on out, I'm not responding to anyone from a PvE server. They just dont get it.

Myralis - Sanctuary wrote: »

+yawnies+ Go away already, fail troll, kk?
Or should we stop posting cause you got no more arguments and are running low on insults too? b:chuckle

I'm not trolling, You lowbie PvE nub.