v182 Update discussion thread.

Dear GMs!

I sent ticket to pass the anniversary mount to my other character (what in the SAME ACCAUNT and SAME SERVER) but this not happened!

how long i must wait?

Falls - Sanctuary wrote: »

No, that isn't speculation. Its good business sense. TINSTAFL (There Is No Such Thing As A Free Lunch) is the first thing you learn in Economics (On the first day). They aren't being nice, and aren't pretending to care for no reason, they do it because good PR is profitable. Please, don't be naive .

Its the most basic rule of business.

Yet at the same time they opened up the Free Zen offers?

PWI loses money on those offers if people just sign-up and cancel for the Free Zen.

People need to think and look at the entire picture before calling others "naive."

Sucks that this event is here for a month

ok, i ve been reading this topic since the beginning, I already made my decision, but still cant stop thinking about a solution.

After wasting much of my brains on it, i finally thought of something non miraculous (like a rollback) but still hard to happen... but if it ever happened, you people would get back my respect... and it would also solve this problem.

1 - open new servers - 2-4, doenst matter. new pvp and pve servers.

2 allow people to tranfer their accounts to these new servers using the data from BEFORE the event started. I guess u must have some back up of it. Needless to say these servers would not participate in this event.

That way people who wanted to keep on with their lvl 95 gold bought stuff could remain in the old servers, and we, who just want to grind our way to the top, can just go to a server without them ( a gold cap on these new servers would be good too).


Whats people thoughts on this?

Alexeno - Sanctuary wrote: »

-cough- bull -cough-

Please read what you quoted. He never said there are NO game breaking items in there, only that not EVERY item in there is game breaking.

Alexeno - Sanctuary wrote: »

-cough- bull -cough-

i'm sorry spoony, but the warsoul weaps are game-breakers

☆☆Tyreseus Power <--- link! clicky clicky =D

+50 attack level = +50% damage
min/max damage = 955-1773

when equipped to full-int mage of level 80 (56 str, 349 mag)
magic atk = 4647-8320

put +50% damage on that:

6970-12480

and that range is without ANY other equipment/buffs/etc...

add cleric +70% mag atk buff:

11849-21216

wizard elemental mastery (plus 20%):

14218-25459

now put a 75% reduction (assuming that's the % on the pvp reduction):

3554-6364

DANGER WILL ROBINSON DANGER!!!


(i've simply placed the boosts, no idea what the actual order is, but obviously this has the smallest gains)

Dont forget people will have 24 of those 20 vit and -6% channeling shards stuck into their gear or those 20 vit 20% crit for a total of 480 vit with 48% crit or 480 vit and -144% channeling thats just for armor i didnt add weapon b:sad

i thought it was crit if added to wep and vit if added to armor?

RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »

Yet at the same time they opened up the Free Zen offers?

PWI loses money on those offers if people just sign-up and cancel for the Free Zen.

People need to think and look at the entire picture before calling others "naive."

LOL, I'm gonna get banned if I keep talking about those , just read the fine print.

You are right I shouldn't have called anyone naive, it is just that I don't know what can I do to prove to you that it is the first thing in all of the most basic Economics textbooks that all the developers and people who run this company have read. Whether they believe it or not is irrelevant, because if you run your company any other way, you stand to lose profit, and stand to lose your business to more fit competition.

Wiki is the best I can do:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TANSTAAFL

"indicates an acknowledgment that in reality a person or a society cannot get "something for nothing". Even if something appears to be free, there is always a cost to the person or to society as a whole even though that cost may be hidden or distributed."

I've just logged in for the first time after the patch.

I got a free mount and it looks more "pro" than a hellhound without paying a penny. I think this is very unfair to every cash shop player who bought any mount especially considering its speed (lvl1) is 10m/s. Players paid up to 50 gold for a hell hound which is quite a similar mount and many others paid over 25m for the limited event lion mount. I'm a free player and had only 1 mount so far (which I sold to make coins for skills) so the gift is welcome but I can't be a hypocrite and say it's just right. The gift made most of the mount cash shopping pointless. That's bad to PW players and company at the same time. Perhaps a slower permanent mount (6m/s?) or a timed one (1 month?) would be best to everyone.

Concerning the boxes, I have enough coins to buy... only 1 though. I could use my RL credit card to buy some but I will not. Even then I'm not purchasing a single box. why? isn't its value excellent and affordable? YES it is! It's a must to every single player! The problem is that its awesome and ultra rare material drops, lvl14 items and highest level gems (though the % chance is not 100%) make high level instance hunting obsolete and also make gem purchases in-game pointless. It's not only easier than labouring in game but cheaper to acquire these boxes instead!!! To my flawed maths it would cost >100 million coins to make 1 single gem like those through in-game merchant gems. Rebirth Order hunting is still new to the servers. Only recently tome manufacturing got "popular" being the lowest grade tomes still worth >1m coins. I've only seen 1 lvl5 tome so far which belongs to Obssessed and event introduces lvl6 tomes which cannot be manufactured in-game. That was just too early to introduce these tomes to the game.

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what I see is that PW tried to make the greatest event ever to draw total attention from players so they wouldn't try that other title about to be released. maybe some players leave, indeed... but is that the end of the world? will all players just flee? would that be the end to PW? I doubt so. I frankly doubt it would make any active player leave. New MMORPGs just pop up every month so would that be reasonable to explain such despair from PWE? I cannot explain... The only thing I could explain for hours is that the event had opposite effect over PWI, making several players angry and leading some who were still loyal to consider trying something else. I'm one of these though I'm not interested in that game about to be released.

Poison wins this round, what my statement meant was that every item in the box isn't necessarily game breaking, which is why I asked people to tell me about the ones that they feel were. Makeup Scrolls, for example, are not the subject of the box controversy. Sorry if I was not more clear but that's what I meant b:victory

But if you all quit like me you wouldnt have to listen to PWI's bull.

meh, pointless to continue... w/e, this new event has killed the game regardless. unless servers are rolled back, the damage has run too deep for any comeback to be made. and we all know the servers wont be rolled back

Zoroastra - Sanctuary wrote: »

ok, i ve been reading this topic since the beginning, I already made my decision, but still cant stop thinking about a solution.

After wasting much of my brains on it, i finally thought of something non miraculous (like a rollback) but still hard to happen... but if it ever happened, you people would get back my respect... and it would also solve this problem.

1 - open new servers - 2-4, doenst matter. new pvp and pve servers.

2 allow people to tranfer their accounts to these new servers using the data from BEFORE the event started. I guess u must have some back up of it. Needless to say these servers would not participate in this event.

That way people who wanted to keep on with their lvl 95 gold bought stuff could remain in the old servers, and we, who just want to grind our way to the top, can just go to a server without them ( a gold cap on these new servers would be good too).


Whats people thoughts on this?

Good idea , but it would only happen in our dreams b:pleasedb:pleased

eatwithspoons wrote: »

Poison wins this round, what my statement meant was that every item in the box isn't necessarily game breaking, which is why I asked people to tell me about the ones that they feel were. Makeup Scrolls, for example, are not the subject of the box controversy. Sorry if I was not more clear but that's what I meant b:victory

EthikaII - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Why are you still reading the bull if you quit?

To tell others not to listen to itb:victory

Falls - Sanctuary wrote: »

LOL, I'm gonna get banned if I keep talking about those , just read the fine print.

You are right I shouldn't have called anyone naive, it is just that I don't know what can I do to prove to you that it is the first thing in all of the most basic Economics textbooks that all the developers and people who run this company have read. Whether they believe it or not is irrelevant, because if you run your company any other way, you stand to lose profit, and stand to lose your business to more fit competition.

Wiki is the best I can do:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TANSTAAFL

"indicates an acknowledgment that in reality a person or a society cannot get "something for nothing". Even if something appears to be free, there is always a cost to the person or to society as a whole even though that cost may be hidden or distributed."

Think of it like this:

You will ALWAYS be paying for something. In NO way is this game really F2P. Why?

Cable bill, Electricity bill, food/drinks, Headset/Microphone...should I go on?

I never argued about TANSTAAFL because NOTHING in this world is really "free" in the sense people think it is.

However, if you want to look at the "rules of buisness," (as stated in your previous reply), here is the thing:

Look at the Business Model. All of these things apply and depending how you look at it, they can apply positively or negatively.