v182 Update discussion thread.

rsin wrote: »

a gold selling npc would generate no money for the company. They would eventually bankrupt and fold. No money to run servers, create content and update hardware. The problem is not those who buy gold with money. Its not those who by gold with in-game coin. The problem is the people selling it in AH for insane prices. PWI did not increase gold prices. The ones selling it in AH trying to get rich fast are the problem. They complain about the non-payers when its non payers who buys their gold from them in the AH creating profit for those who bought gold with real money.

.No , it won't. It will just set a limit to the price. If Gold is selling for 190k, players won't buy from NPC, they will buy from AH and keep the whole system going as it was before. Its just a price limiter. b:cute

This thread is getting boring.
FACE IT!! BUY GOLD OR GTFO.

Complain 100 times will not make things disappearb:cry

P.S 2 warsouls and over 50 lunars in HLb:shocked

The big boutique items that high gold prices cause an adverse effect on the game are hp/mp charms and ga's, maybe something else that I can't think of.

Why not add ingame alternatives to these with a price set at lets say 170k, so that when gold passes that point, players will more likely use substitutes instead. Examples of substitutes:
HP Charms - Samsara Orb, Principle Orb, and Transform Powder changed from a 1-X heal to X heal. Cooldown reduced to 4 seconds, number gained per manufacture boosted from 5 to whatever value is good (8 or 10 I think). Also, sell these on an NPC at 2720/5440/8160 coin each (1.36 coin/hp, that's the ratio of a bronze hp charm at 170k gold... ignoring the 2% AH fee)

MP Charms - Double yeild on jade powder and it's similar potions. Same idea as for MP. Cooldowns can remain as they are though. Change the vendor sold mp potions to the same value as hp potions (cuts cost in half I think). Add Jade Powder and so on to NPC's, use the same formula to find prices to sell at. Using Jade Powder as the example again, 3000 mana returned, 170k gold goal=.8 (cost of bronze charm)*170,000 (cost of gold)=136000 coin/150,000 (total mp on a bronze charm)=.9067 coin per mp. 3000*.9067=2720 coin for each potion. Do the same thing for other ranks of these, I imagine it would end up at the same pricing as HP restores seeing as how the lowest hp/mana potions come to the same cost.

GA's - 170,000*.27=45900 coin (really *.29, the bulk GA pricing is dumb) to buy an item that prevents gear from dropping on death and shattered gear and is consumed just like a GA. Essentially, the same thing except it wouldn't prevent exp loss.

Maybe this is a dumb idea, but I think that would help with essential CS items when gold is high. Most things are optional, but at least for those on pvp servers, ga's and hp charms aren't, so high gold costs has a detrimental effect on gameplay. This may address that by capping player expenses while not outright capping gold and allowing for a potential coin sink.

Roxy_Kitten - Sanctuary wrote: »

Right. PWI know nothing about gaming. But they sure as heck obviously know how to keep paying for the *expenses* of developing, producing, advertising and RUNNING multiple servers by providing a game that is free to play, and only costs money to play A CHOICE for the players.

Sure, maybe there were some items they shouldn't have put in the anniversary packs. But what are the REAL odds of getting those items? I haven't seen ONE person that's gotten the end-game stuff (not personally). I've just seen a whole lot of Duke Splatter about Best of Luck tokens and Charms. I'm a little hurt that the Rich are getting richer by getting items they can turn around and sell for MORE millions, while I get nothing, but so be it. I haven't spent a single real dollar on this game *yet* (probably will eventually though).

But anyway... Yeah - they don't know nothin. b:shutupb:cry

define endgame stuff...do you even know it when you see an announcement for endgame stuff?

Ajani - Harshlands wrote: »

This thread is getting boring.
FACE IT!! SAY SOMETHING PRODUCTIVE OR GTFO.

Complain 100 times will not make things disappearb:cry

Yes, Indeed!

Blood_Flow - Sanctuary wrote: »

I hear they are capping gold, but cant find the forum of anything being said abt it, is this true or what?

why would they cap it??? people are getting filthy fillllllllllllthy rich off the gold market, and PWE is making a killing from people buyin gold cause they can sell for 400-500k, why would the dev's cap it lol?? u think they really care about the non CS playersb:cryb:angryb:shutup

this is what we are talking about they get them within 15 sec.

Devoted - Lost City wrote: »

it caps at 999999

What?? Its over 9-

Ok nevermind..

cybluerr wrote: »

What?? Its over 9-

Ok nevermind..

I honestly cba to read through 1xx pages, so i stopped at 14 and im gonna post my thoughts. I honestly think this event is alright. There are some good parts, and some bad parts.

Goods:

I can easily obtain my 79 skills now, thanks to apocalypse pages being available. No need to spend hours and hours in fb89 farming those pages, or spending 300k per page. I obtained 20 pages for half of what i would two or three days ago. Also, Flawless shard prices dropped considerably, making my EQ alot sweeter once i can afford the money to buy them.

Bads:

Lunar Glade. Perfect Shards. Frost Covered. I can't believe it. Now, all the factions which own land will just increase the gap between factions which don't. They get weekly pay in which they can buy gold and get closer to achieving better equipment. Its pretty ridiculous at how overpowered they can become.

never seen a gift you pay for b:chuckle

FooFooKity - Heavens Tear wrote: »

So its going to take a GM approximatley 1-2 hours to read thru just this thread then another 1-2 hours to read (if they even bother) the other threads on the update(patch) Possibly another 4-5 hours to discuss amongst themselves then another 3-6 hours to come to a decision on wat to do then another 2-24 hours to implement their decision....so wat are we supposed to do in the meantime?
Ive got the simple easy solution..rollback...refund all real life cash spent today make the items that was obtained from anniversary packs disappear..make the anniversary packs drop from mobs with stuff relevant to that players lvl or alternatively reward X number of packs to said players for amount of time they have played that way all players high level an low level alike feel appreciated by PWI

seems as though your mentioned times are grossly underestimated. Right about now a rollback is looking very favorable though but this will only temporarily fix a huge and growing problem. and now it seems our GM's are asleep again so nothing being done to fix the problems tonight maybe tomorrow will bring better news. Making packs drop from mobs is an awesome idea though shame the Devs didnt think of it.

Well, that's put me out the game for a while b:surrender

I'm not gonna QQ about it, I'll just simply afk farm the event with a catshop and a bit of tactical trading and in the meantime test out a few other mmo's and games. After a month I'll return, wait a bit, sell off my event junk and resume gaming.

No point grinding and playing normally in a 400k gold world for a solid month, charms at 1.5m, GA's peaking at 120k apiece, struggling along while those taking advantage of the event or spending real cash gain an immeasurable power gap. I might end up rich in the end, just wish it wasn't a month long, I miss playing pw for fun

An interesting note on events in my last mmo, while a very cash shop orientated game, their gift events almost always included free rare, even boutique, items dropping randomly from regular mobs. Everyone could participate and benefit. It was kinda like a "thanks guys" from the devs to the gamers.

mightymoose wrote: »

If what you say is true and that is even odds, then it makes sense why gold is costing 500k. If on average you get 1 special token every 10 boxes, it means $10 on average gets you 1 token and $20 gets you 2 which you can trade for a 10 million note. So basically $20 buys 10 million or $2 buys 1 million or $1 buys 500k. So 1 gold = 500k.

If those odds are correct, then gold won't drop below 500k until after the event.

which is sad really, I thought 190k was bad, now it skyrockets to 500k?

exileddw wrote: »

Sadly I will only be doing dailies from now on, Its not affordable to even play anymore. Kinda sad b:sad, but I guess theres a time for everything. b:surrender

I haven't bought one boutique item first-hand. I save up for what I want and then buy it that way