v182 Update discussion thread.

Midnight - Lost City wrote: »

the only thing u could do to fix this is go back a dya and return money to people's accounts which u won't do.

A way to fix this would be to render the problematics items deprecated. This could be possible by increasing the level cap to 150 and introducing better shards / weapon ( yes better than warsouls ) / armors / tome / etc. Also the current end game items which are called by duke would need to be easier to obtain then before ( maybe keep the anniversary box permanently ).

DarkSniper - Lost City wrote: »

Now a year later the game has only gone downhill.

This is not really a true statement, please don't make things up just to post here.

imo u should nerf the gears that u get through botique and put a bolded word on it saying "bought from botique." that way i feel better for the gears i farmed.

I wanna do a real purpose.

Let's rename the "Anniversary Pack" in "Chaos bringer Pack".

This will make things more clear.

Bearish - Sanctuary wrote: »

imo u should nerf the gears that u get through botique and put a bolded word on it saying "bought from botique." that way i feel better for the gears i farmed.

so another idea i'm hearing is gear that is only almost comparable to the drops in-game, as opposed to the same level.

Keep the new ideas coming, and keep the flames out, they don't help.

I know that people think that we are "doing nothing" but changes can't be made instantly, this is why the process of voicing true concerns constructively is so important. Stuff isn't going to be resolved in the next 5 minutes, so we do have time to formulate a more complete picture of player concerns before taking action

it'd be kind of nice if charms, GAs, all the consumables for regular play that used to be in the boutique be buyable in-game at a set price in light of what's happening to the gold prices now. i'd be happy making them cost say, 500k coins per gold charm and say, 50k coins per GA at some npc. that way at least the f2p kids can still play and have fun.

personally, i haven't been affected much by this: i don't pvp, i don't run on charms (none of that zhen, rebirth), i haven't farmed days on ends on TT, lunar, whatever, i didn't dq for the horses, etc etc etc. however, a lot of people have, a lot of friends have. it pisses them off when people can just get what they worked for a long time to get in so short a time. i mean, the time you spend in this game has to count for something, so that people don't feel playing the game is a waste of time. kind of ironic, because playing a game is wasting time b:chuckle

eatwithspoons wrote: »

This is not really a true statement, please don't make things up just to post here.

You've done a good job in adding more content to keep players that are getting closer to the max lvl interested and addicted to the game. But giving players using the Cash Shop an easy way to get end game gear is probably the worst idea to see the light coming from PW. There is people that have been working hard for weeks and months to get the gear they have and adding those items to cash shop doesn't only make their efforts look diminished but it is also ruined because now anyone can get those items as long as they invest money from their pocket. So any edge over other players because you worked hard for it would be instantly gone. I do know it's a f2p game and that you need to make some money to pay the staff and keep the server up which more than justify the presence of cash shop but I think adding this package in the cash shop is over-doing it.

I feel that is going to turn a lot of people off of the game especially the old players if such idea was to become official. Now don't take this as a threat but I do think you should reconsider what items should be available in this package. PW is the best f2p game I've played so I have faith in you guys taking the right decision. Please do consider the time that some people invested in acquiring such items, it would only be fair.

Don't direct your anger at me, it's not productive at all.

I'm trying to be the intermediary, but it would be unprofessional if my boss asks me what players think and the only response I had was "you're not doing anything to fix the economy!" because then we're still at square one with no suggestions for improvement.

eatwithspoons wrote: »

Don't direct your anger at me, it's not productive at all.

I'm trying to be the intermediary, but it would be unprofessional if my boss asks me what players think and the only response I had was "you're not doing anything to fix the economy!" because then we're still at square one with no suggestions for improvement.

Here's some suggestions:

-remove the pack before it gets worse
-stop the servers for a bit and take the time to figure out what the community is saying and act accordingly.
-give everyone warsoul to compensate for the now broken pvp.

correction you need to buy gold charms from the cash shop if you wanna do rebirth and the like, which is by far impossible for those of us with no spare cash now

Rumble - Harshlands wrote: »

Not a single thing PWI has done has helped the economy. Not one. Go ahead and name one if you can. I dare you to.

With the release of new mounts, older mounts are reduced in value. now a newer player can buy panthers and polarbears for 700k instead of 2mil. Alot of happy campers just happy to be able to afford them now.

eatwithspoons wrote: »

Don't direct your anger at me, it's not productive at all.

I'm trying to be the intermediary, but it would be unprofessional if my boss asks me what players think and the only response I had was "you're not doing anything to fix the economy!" because then we're still at square one with no suggestions for improvement.

Eviltwist - Lost City wrote: »

Spoon seems not to understand what most of people are trying to say.

Let me explain it for you b:victory

You were working 1 year saving all the money you made to buy a Mercedes and you finally got the brand new, shiny Merc for $50k You are happy that you finally have it. The next day you are happy driving to work in your brand new Mercedes and you see a long line near Mercedes auto dealer, you stop by to check what's going on ANDDDDDDDDD the Mercedes is now on super uber sale for $1.

Wouldn't you be pissed off ?

I'm pretty sure he does understand it. It's just there is nothing that can be done immidiately about it, it is beyond his responsibilities/permissions.

Alright, constructive criticism:

There is obviously a HUGE amount of coin in game. Players will trade this coin between themselves to buy gold any time there is some interesting new item available.

This current anniversary item is clearly highly desired.

When money is transferred this way, you only remove 2% of the coins from the game.
But actually during these events a lot MORE money flows than usual - which suggests that it is usually just sat in players bank accounts doing nothing.

Several solutions present themselves to this problem: The easiest of which would be to have some desirable item available for *coin* and remove some of the coin reserves from the game.

Longer term, you will want to implement more such coin sinks. At the moment, the only costs are skills (which are one-off per character) and repair bills (which are relatively small for most characters.)

Perhaps a dungeon which you have to pay a lot of coin to enter. Perhaps some new fashion items.

Your second problem is that many high-level players feel cheated that others are getting rewards which they 'worked' for.

The solution here is simple: You must cut off the boxes. Or change what they give you.

They would have been much more sensibly implemented as one per player, or perhaps one per month played, or something like that.

And the rewards inside should be changed to be unique items, rather than being items which have already been obtained. The tomes and lobster mounts are good for this, and even the gems and such.

It might also have been a mistake (too late to rectify now, of course) to announce what the boxes contained.
People *will* gamble on such tremendous rewards, whereas if they'd just opened a couple out of curiosity and got nothing but lucky tokens there would not have been such a mad gold-rush.

I also think that you are rushing people towards the higher levels. That may do nasty things to the new-players experience.

Lastly, if the aim was to get people to pay real money, then I think you're on to a winner with these boxes.
But you have made it very very hard for a new player to compete without charging money. That will have long term consequences.

Edit: You also harm your players trust by not giving at least rough percentage chances. The way the webpage lists the items makes it appear that the tomes are the most likely reward, when actually they appear to be at least as rare as the lobster, which itself is as rare as the goldmane lion and ninetails were in their packs.

as for me i quiting. I playd before on malaysian version where is more cash users. boxes there are normal stuff and ppl just spaming with them. Those who can buy 100+ boxes are rich and strong (coz of refined eq). rest can only PvE coz they dont stand chance against them. I dont want to spend Xk $$ on this game. i already made that mistake once. Bye PWIb:bye

Eviltwist - Lost City wrote: »

Spoon seems not to understand what most of people are trying to say.

Let me explain it for you b:victory

You were working 1 year saving all the money you made to buy a Mercedes and you finally got the brand new, shiny Merc for $50k You are happy that you finally have it. The next day you are happy driving to work in your brand new Mercedes and you see a long line near Mercedes auto dealer, you stop by to check what's going on ANDDDDDDDDD the Mercedes is now on super uber sale for $1. Now your hard work for the car is pretty much wasted since everyone else is driving the same car you were working so hard to get.

Wouldn't you be pissed off ?

mercedes didnt make you work hard for that car. it is the buyers choice. if the demand is high enough and people feel that they need the newest and greatest thing then yes they will do what they can to get it...but that doesnt make it the car companies fault. because its their choice to sell it and its your "choice" to buy it.