Why do they keep nerfing Venos?! :(

1) 3-1 is easy to soloable with a herc, and as far as I know the Giant beast armors are making a lot of venos rich, add possibles giant beast's shells annals etc. etc.

2) why the hell u should use melee with a magic weapon, if u think beating enemies in fox form is cool u are wrong, and u take the consequences

3) armors for a veno are just to survive in tw/pk, u can easy go PvE with crappy weapons and equipments, so that's ur call, and u don't NEED refines

4) not my fault

Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »

The drop rate on the beast armor is quite low. I've been on many many runs with no drops of it.

We have no choice but to melee with a magic weapon. You have to use a magic weapon to use foxform. Are you telling us to totally ignore an entire skill tree?

No we can't go with crappy gear in pve. This is proof you have not played a veno to a high enough level to find out.

1) so what, u are alone inside that tt, if u drop 1-2 thats good enough

2) yes, how many venos do u see running around using fox form and attacking with other skills except purge and amplify ?

3) I have a level 70 veno with (till a few days ago) a 40 weapon and 30 rank armors, and I still kill every mob twice as fast than my barb, and I made M just by grinding, so yeah

TheGoliath - Heavens Tear wrote: »

1) so what, u are alone inside that tt, if u drop 1-2 thats good enough

2) yes, how many venos do u see running around using fox form and attacking with other skills except purge and amplify ?

3) I have a level 70 veno with (till a few days ago) a 40 weapon and 30 rank armors, and I still kill every mob twice as fast than my barb, and I made M just by grinding, so yeah

1.) If you get 1-2 drops out of multiple (more than 3) runs, was it worth the time invested?

2.) Apparently, there are more than a few Fox Form venos running around killing mobs with melee skill because they actually are cool like that.

3.) Why are you comparing a venomancer with one that is nortorious for having one of the, if not the, slowest kill rate in the game?

Nakumi - Dreamweaver wrote: »

as for how soloing automaticly means more money... well thats just fail because there are ways other then farming coin off mobs or selling TT mats to make money...

Soloing means you dont have to share/divide anything. If you want tomes go make friends and go to rebirth duh. Hows that fail? What otherways are there to make coins that doesnt involve killing monsters/bosses then? Gold selling is something everyone can do so that is a invalid point to argue. Your just grasping at straws now. As for costs of pets people can spend 400 dollars on their gear and still be no where near our money making potential. Q.Q herc costs 20 mill so what we can make way more money then anyone else and we can solo most bosses. Q.Q nix costs 20 mill our pet has higher dps then a friggen archer with a sling. You do know its optional to buy those pets.....its like someone complaining waaaa im so poor after buying 3 mill worth of fashion. Q.Q pet food wow like how many times does your pet die b4 you know you cant do it. When your lvl 38 you should of killed vipons near swiftwind they drop fine meat (i still have 103 fine meat from this) at a good rate or heck make a lvl 1-5 alt to go kill those stupid Rhinodrakes outside lost. Q.Q hay go buy wild ginseng (200 loyalty) for gods sake who cares if its 15k (on sanctuary its cheaper then fodder) for one its more cost effective then the fodder 20 loyalty. Learn to play please.

BTW how this thread turn from them nerfing venos to whose the more cost effective class o.O ?

Bladecutter - Sanctuary wrote: »

umm, lets see, 25k grind an hour? i get about 40k a hour, and not a barb, in a fb i get more or less depending on it, but, going into a 19 or a 39 and compare it with an hour of grinding it should be less not more, barb cost for tanking are... how to say it... expensive? 50k~ if youre lucky. everyone needs good gear, not only you, and, believe me, my weapon doesnt brokes fast, but costs a lot, in average TT i have 20-30k repairs in my wep only, without counting my armor that takes a 2k repair each piece

about he aoe ginds mobs that you cant.. thats like saying, oh, phy mobs hurt me more than they hurt barbs, of course they do!

the cleric purifys himself to avoid dots, and, you can aoe grind other types of monsters if you have a herc, btw, about your tome, if you want to make it lvl 3 its your decision, other classes need it more than venos cus we dont have pets to take our hits

I wasn't saying I have humongous repair costs like a Barb, I simply said I come close. I'm well aware that the real melee classes blow my costs out of the water, and that your gear is also expensive, because you guys need the best to do what you do so very well, which is take hits, and dish them out. Me, I'm just a fuzzy ankle biter. I chew on the mobs while smacking them with things to make it so they can't fight back, not crush them with overwhelming power. That's your job.b:victory

I wasn't really complaining about clerics AoE grinding., I was just bringing up a point that while people call Clerics a fail solo class, they're really quite good at what they do. Also, Melee mobs have to hit me first. *points to sig*

Oh, indeed. I know all about AoE grinding. I do it all the time on Melee mobs. Fox Form + Mist + Leech = 5 mobs at one time. I have no Herc. As for my tome, it has to be level 3 because otherwise, I couldn't equip my weapon at my level.

Before anyone misunderstands my intention, I'm completely happy with the way I play. I can do things most Venos wouldn't consider doing in their worst nightmare, and as a result, I end up with the downside. I'm cool with it. I really find it fun to play the way I do. I'm not complaining about it, I was simply pointing out "Hey, there are more ways to do things than most people realize."

For instance: Barb's killing speed. Yes, we realize it sucks. Killing mobs takes a lot longer for a tank build barb than it does for almost everyone. But there are also DPS builds out there, plowing through those exact same mobs. However, you should look at it another way, and use the strengths of your class. Tank builds do one thing well. Take hits. Which means that they could take on several melee mobs at the same time. Which means, that while they won't quite approach the AoE grindability of a type of BM, they can still do a decent job of it. Of course, the side effect is the increased repair cost from being hit by a lot of enemies, so you'd have to figure out a way to compensate, but explore it a bit. Saying that you don't match a character in something they excel at is kinda silly, when they can't even come close to you in other areas.

Chocooo - Lost City wrote: »

So that's the only disadvantage a veno has?
Because "not every veno has a herc or a nix", its the disadvantage?
I don't think you're quite seeing it.
No other class can buy an item and say "Now I have no disadvantages".

Are you trying to be obtuse?

Teartroll - Sanctuary wrote: »

hes right, not every veno has one.

even then, we still cant kill as fast as other classes, cant tank as well as barb + cleric, still die in a few melee hits.

we have plenty of disadvantages, the list goes on and on, they dont grant invincibility.

Great.
So what the veno really wants, is to be able to tank as well as a barb can.
And to be able to take as much damage as a barb can.
That's the disadvantages you claim?

You've become the second best tank in the game.
You've become the best pvp in the game.
You can solo TT runs faster than a barb+cleric can because your pets do not suffer a damage reduction on the boss.
You do not have high repair costs.
Yet, you can make money at the same rate as other classes.

Is invincibility what you'd call an advantage?

Veno pets are the only things in the game that totally ignore not 1 but 3 different types of damage reduction.

1) Air to ground 50% damage reduction
- venos are the only class that effectively kill ground mobs from the air
2) PVP 75% damage reduction
- in pvp pheonix flesh ream is a stronger DOT than the strongest player DOT: Demon Stormrage Eagleon (2 spark level 99 archer skill)
3) [?] level 150 mobs 75% damage reduction
- I have heard of a single nix veno being able to KS a world boss by outdamaging a squad of 4 non-venos

Anyone who thinks these are not bugs is just kidding themselves. Just look at that list, look hard and try to come up with some ridiculous justification for pets to ignore the rules that all other classes follow. What we have here is a clear case of sloppy coding. If you can look at that list and honestly think that veno pets aren't plain broken you must be delusional.

Chocooo - Lost City wrote: »

Great.
So what the veno really wants, is to be able to tank as well as a barb can.
And to be able to take as much damage as a barb can.
That's the disadvantages you claim?

Pulling off a Strawman argument requires a bit more finesse than you're exhibiting.

Isala - Sanctuary wrote: »

I wasn't saying I have humongous repair costs like a Barb, I simply said I come close. I'm well aware that the real melee classes blow my costs out of the water, and that your gear is also expensive, because you guys need the best to do what you do so very well, which is take hits, and dish them out.

I play a heavy fox too, and yeah my weapon takes a really big beating (our magic swords swing 1.25 times/sec so they wear down nearly twice as fast as the barb's axes or hammers).

For regular grinding, you can switch to lower cost equipment to save on repair bills. The 1-star stuff has about 70% the cost of the 3-star stuff, and less than half the cost of the legendary. No need to use your best equipment on easy mobs. (And as a heavy fox, I lug around 2 complete sets of equipment, so don't whine to me about how much it costs or how inconvenient it is.)

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

Veno pets are the only things in the game that totally ignore not 1 but 3 different types of damage reduction.

1) Air to ground 50% damage reduction
- venos are the only class that effectively kill ground mobs from the air
2) PVP 75% damage reduction
- in pvp pheonix flesh ream is a stronger DOT than the strongest player DOT: Demon Stormrage Eagleon (2 spark level 99 archer skill)
3) [?] level 150 mobs 75% damage reduction
- I have heard of a single nix veno being able to KS a world boss by outdamaging a squad of 4 non-venos

I thought (1) was a 50% reduction on ranged attacks, and melee wasn't affected? If you're in melee range (all air pets attack from melee range), the mob can obviously fight back, so there's no point reducing damage by 50%. If player melee damage is reduced when in the air, then I'd say veno pets are behaving correctly and it's player melee damage which is bugged.

Agreed that (2) and (3) make no sense. But then, I don't think the skills which let you kill while AFK (e.g. the core Zhen skills) make sense either.

I'm confused here, I'm a veno, and a barb that is 10 levels lower than me can kill me easily, even when I have my pet and genie equiped. Explain to me how we're invincible

Isala - Sanctuary wrote: »

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

Veno pets are the only things in the game that totally ignore not 1 but 3 different types of damage reduction.

1) Air to ground 50% damage reduction
- venos are the only class that effectively kill ground mobs from the air
2) PVP 75% damage reduction
- in pvp pheonix flesh ream is a stronger DOT than the strongest player DOT: Demon Stormrage Eagleon (2 spark level 99 archer skill)
3) [?] level 150 mobs 75% damage reduction
- I have heard of a single nix veno being able to KS a world boss by outdamaging a squad of 4 non-venos

Anyone who thinks these are not bugs is just kidding themselves. Just look at that list, look hard and try to come up with some ridiculous justification for pets to ignore the rules that all other classes follow. What we have here is a clear case of sloppy coding. If you can look at that list and honestly think that veno pets aren't plain broken you must be delusional.

<<<< Veno, and won't argue with it. All points are valid, and correct.

So, what's the argument here? Even with the few PvP "nerfs," venos still shine at PvE and PvP with nixes. Leveling the playing field, yeah right.

TeegraSwan - Sanctuary wrote: »

I'm confused here, I'm a veno, and a barb that is 10 levels lower than me can kill me easily, even when I have my pet and genie equiped. Explain to me how we're invincible

People just like to talk bs about venos being OP.
get to lvl 90, load 400 dollar in this game, spend it on ur gear and you are OP too.

Thc - Harshlands wrote: »

People just like to talk bs about venos being OP.
get to lvl 90, load 400 dollar in this game, spend it on ur gear and you are OP too.

400 not enough to be OP :O

_makina_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

You are too delusional......90 gear to make them all +5 you will spend 200 dollars + already and will still get **** by a nix with bleed only exception is Barb.

Or better yet some pple need 400 just to MAKE the TT90 full set lol, not even gonna count how much to shard and refine at the same time D=

Off topic but..........Deceptistar how did you get all those perfect shards in your armor?

Totally bought out all the beautiful shards back when they had the beautiful shards/jiaozi/low lv mold/scarlet fruit event lol. Spring Pack was it?

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

.....................*looks far down at the lv25 veno....* ._.;;; i think their talking more about later lvls

Then stop bashing venos in general, most classes get really powerful at later levels >.<;