Why do they keep nerfing Venos?! :(

Sadpuma - Heavens Tear

angellicdeity wrote: »

You'll see that many Veno's are:


1) Afraid of dungeon-class area's

2) Afraid of water



The moment I drop into the water soo many veno's make a dash for safety.

I like how you say this behind your anonymous avatar. If you are in heavens tear, i invite you to come SP.

I hate venos that run and hide behind thier pets as well. But i hate other classes that do nothing but QQ about it. Every class has their own specific advantages, the key is learning how to use these to your advantage.

Zoe has a good list for each class, look at her last post. And stop QQing (hope to see you in SP)

Angerr - Harshlands

I've seen a lot of pve player talk a lot of bull in this thread. A veno with a nix can play lame, and beat any other class easy 1v1. If they know how to play that is.

At high 70s i could destroy a 6 man zhen party at spiders and they couldn't do anything about it at all. They can't even get one skill on you period.

You can kill WB with xs 1v1 without even worrying at all.

And whoever said venos are squishy and really easy to kill hasn't tried pvping someone with more than basic pvp knowledge. If you really see how 1 8x nix can kill every member of an 8x grind party, and have them all in safe zone on their miji with nothing at all they can do about it, you would realise. Veno is crazy op right now, don't even try to cry about nerfs and stuff. Flesh ream needs nerfing.

Also whoever said venos are scared of water, you're 100 percent correct. In water you get your damage output reduced by like 50 percent due to fail water pets not keeping up with nix. What kinda dumb veno would jump into the water to give the enemy a chance =] except a nice drop down and bramble guard can destroy a few people and take them by suprise =o

Defected - Heavens Tear

Angerr - Harshlands wrote: »

I've seen a lot of pve player talk a lot of bull in this thread. A veno with a nix can play lame, and beat any other class easy 1v1. If they know how to play that is.

At high 70s i could destroy a 6 man zhen party at spiders and they couldn't do anything about it at all. They can't even get one skill on you period.

You can kill WB with xs 1v1 without even worrying at all.

And whoever said venos are squishy and really easy to kill hasn't tried pvping someone with more than basic pvp knowledge. If you really see how 1 8x nix can kill every member of an 8x grind party, and have them all in safe zone on their miji with nothing at all they can do about it, you would realise. Veno is crazy op right now, don't even try to cry about nerfs and stuff. Flesh ream needs nerfing.

Also whoever said venos are scared of water, you're 100 percent correct. In water you get your damage output reduced by like 50 percent due to fail water pets not keeping up with nix. What kinda dumb veno would jump into the water to give the enemy a chance =] except a nice drop down and bramble guard can destroy a few people and take them by suprise =o

I reported you for making way too much sense. Enjoy your ban for telling the truth.

And puma is hardcore - doesn't need a feenicks. I've seen him dive in the water to kill prey before. Rawr. b:surrender

Osiris - Dreamweaver

Sylvini - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Unfortunately, it seems that PWI may have fallen into the trap that many F2P MMOs fall into: letting their player base debug/balance the game. This sounds like a really good idea, but it comes at a serious cost: many players (and often the most vocal ones) are lazy/idiotic/not serious. This means that lots of people QQ about Venos on the boards who have never even tried playing one and haven't even thought about taking advantage of the Veno's weaknesses, and so PWI nerfs Venos.

The fundamental idea isn't wrong, that unfortunatly a fact. But that PW isn't very likely to listen to those 'balance suggestions' is proven by the fact that the main complaint of the community - the overpowered battle pets and a bugged skill - still haven't been balanced/fixed.

While i think that its an outrage that those changes haven't been mentioned in the change log at all, i still think they were necessary.

I mean, a 75% damage reflect you can have 7/24 would be the end of every BM because at the time the nix and the veno would have reduced his hp to 50%, the bm itself would have eaten the other 50%.
And the 200% deflect of bramble hood is just rediculous. Seriously, how can you think that a spell that makes a melee attacker end up as a bloody stain before he even starts to hurt you is balanced.
And the fact that you can't be afk while your pet does your job is absolutly fair. Why should you have a auto attack in PvP when no other class have it? This is not a characteristic of your class but simply an unfair advantage.

As for the bm's stun lock, i can understand your complaint. Since i'm an archer, i have a pretty good evasion which makes me able to resist the stun lock most of the time but i have no idea how to evoid it as a char with low evasion. But as you mentioned herbalist potions: there are pots that makes you uneffected by movement modifications - and also genies will come soon.

Oh, and last but not least i wanna make something clear about the archers stun'(s)'. Archers have exactly one stun that lasts for 3 seconds and has a 90% chance to trigger at lvl 10. But is misses all the time in PvP and honestly, i'd rather have the stun that only lasts 2 seconds but hits with a 95% rate then the archer stun that misses 30-50% of the time depending what class you are attacking. The other archer stun is called Aim Low and isn't a stun. Unlike the skill description says, the skill doesn't stun but freezes and also unlike the skill description says, the freeze doesn't trigger 100% of the time but has a chance of about 20% to stay away. And af course we still have our natural misses.

Btw: what happend to the swimming speed skill? Just curious cause i've never hear anything about it has been changed.

TetsukiAi - Lost City

Murugan - Lost City wrote: »

dihydrogen monoxide*

or hydrogen hydroxide b:pleased



oh, and my personal opinion on the whole phoenix bleed thing is this:

yeah, it sucks. but as long as you're not a complete idiot and know how to use your char, there's no reason why you shouldn't be able to take out teh squisheh veno =p

Isala - Sanctuary

Who's afraid of water? Last I checked, there were just as many Venos in Dragon Temple as there were anything else. And no flaming chickens to be used in there.

OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear

Osiris - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Btw: what happend to the swimming speed skill? Just curious cause i've never hear anything about it has been changed.

Nothing, it simply hasn't ever done anything, and the tool-tip even says it has no effect.

Osiris - Dreamweaver

OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Nothing, it simply hasn't ever done anything, and the tool-tip even says it has no effect.

Lol, didn't know that. Thx for the quick reply.

MentalEdge - Heavens Tear

OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Nothing, it simply hasn't ever done anything, and the tool-tip even says it has no effect.

You're wrong,it did used to make you faster,did when i started playing.

Torm - Heavens Tear

Man you people really trip me out.

Im a bm and veno were always a easy kill for me till they hit 90. Once they hit 90 if they are good at PvP and get their gear they are SUPER tough imppossible to kill LMAO but tough as hell. (only the good ones) But here is my opinion Herc can tank most TT, pet can tank normal mobs when you grind which means veno = the cheapest class to play and with the investment in a herc and time in TT can make money the easiest of all classes. That boils down to great gear easier than other class. Now not only can the be good in fox form with melee damage, they have some descent magic damage too. Neither of their damage is as good as a melee fighter or another caster, BUT they have a pet which does some nice damage. Now they also have a 79 skill that make them practically invicable but also hood which is crazy nice dmage reduction. Now with all this they are a pretty balanced class like other classes but with nice advatages.

Then here comes the nix one of the most ( if not the most powerful pet) yes it is expesive to get so i dont mind veno having the nix. However all classes skills are nerfed for pvp EXCEPT pet flesh ream It does more damage than ANY class skill and ITS on a pet. It is a bug plan and simple and unblances the class in a lot of ways. SO do they nerf flesh ream no are they going to no, and why? Because PW is a company trying to make money do you really think people would spend so much money on a pet that wasnt completly unbalanced hell no. SOme would but not the majority.

Now here come the genies, from what I have seen genies will add something to this game it is really missing SKILL. Every pvp game I have ever played required skill and strategy to be good at. However PW is just plan spam skills. Yeah there is some skill involved but very little. You have all the same skills as every person in the game your class, everyone works for the same equipment, the skill cast are crazy long. The skill is very limited. So the genies seem like the answer to this, certain skill for each class but a huge list of skills for all classes, skills that only a few can be put on each genie. This mean people have to really think and research how to build their genies and most will probably ( hopefully ) be vary unique even for the same class. Also it seems like this skill wil be very fast cast times mainly the counter skills, counter bleed or stun will have to be instant cast or very fast to even be worth having. But it will require so much more skill to hit your blood clot skill when nix bleeds you and remove stun when bm has you stuck.

PW took a big leap with genies they can balance the game and make alot more people come to play and high lvls stay around for awhile, or they could be horrible imbalanced and completly ruin the game. I have faith PW is smart enough to do the right thing. IMO there will be some imbalanced stuff but will probably be updated with patches as these occur. Which is how most competitive pvp games are handled.

I for one am looking forward to it. I hope this post helps explain some thing and all the QQIng in this thread goes away. Even though I really get a laugh at so many post that have competely idiotic theories.

Sylvini - Heavens Tear

Osiris - Dreamweaver wrote: »

The fundamental idea isn't wrong, that unfortunatly a fact. But that PW isn't very likely to listen to those 'balance suggestions' is proven by the fact that the main complaint of the community - the overpowered battle pets and a bugged skill - still haven't been balanced/fixed.

The fundamental idea relies on the players actually knowing what they're talking about, which I've noticed only about 1/3 of them on these forums do. That's acctually above par for most semi-random communities. People tend to leap to judgements and then go on the defensive when those judgements are questioned.

Osiris - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I mean, a 75% damage reflect you can have 7/24 would be the end of every BM because at the time the nix and the veno would have reduced his hp to 50%, the bm itself would have eaten the other 50%.
And the 200% deflect of bramble hood is just rediculous. Seriously, how can you think that a spell that makes a melee attacker end up as a bloody stain before he even starts to hurt you is balanced.
And the fact that you can't be afk while your pet does your job is absolutly fair. Why should you have a auto attack in PvP when no other class have it? This is not a characteristic of your class but simply an unfair advantage.

1.) I suggest that Bramble Hood be unnerfed and Flesh Ream be fixed, which would cut the threat of the Nix substantially.
2.) Try strategizing and learning your skills. Veno uses Bramble Hood. MAYBE you're in the middle of a long attack, so you get the reflection of one attack back at you. Then, AoE non-dmg stun (Roar of the Pride I think?) to stun both Veno and Nix (and no dmg reflection, since there's no damage), start wailing on that Nix (anyone else noticed the low defense and HP of that pet?). Experiment: do your ranged BM skills still reflect damage from Bramble Hood? If yes, kite and heal for a bit, if no, use them. Remember, Bramble Hood only lasts a few seconds. Once it's up, the Veno is out 2 sparks, a pet, and now faces your stunlock. That strategy took me about 30 seconds to think up, and I'm not even that familiar with BMs (or Nix, for that matter).
3.) AFK PvPing = vulnerable target = dead Veno, no matter what the pet is.

Osiris - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Oh, and last but not least i wanna make something clear about the archers stun'(s)'. Archers have exactly one stun that lasts for 3 seconds and has a 90% chance to trigger at lvl 10. But is misses all the time in PvP and honestly, i'd rather have the stun that only lasts 2 seconds but hits with a 95% rate then the archer stun that misses 30-50% of the time depending what class you are attacking. The other archer stun is called Aim Low and isn't a stun. Unlike the skill description says, the skill doesn't stun but freezes and also unlike the skill description says, the freeze doesn't trigger 100% of the time but has a chance of about 20% to stay away. And af course we still have our natural misses.

This is true. Archer 'stuns' (I count Aim Low simply because you're range allows you to hit any target when they can't hit you, almost as good as true stun) aren't that impressive, but combined with the range, critical rate, and rate of fire, it's pretty nice.

Osiris - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Btw: what happend to the swimming speed skill? Just curious cause i've never hear anything about it has been changed.

It works for Barbs, but apparently there's some kind of unidentified bug in the Veno version they've never been able to fix.

Suiryujin - Sanctuary

Sylvini - Heavens Tear wrote: »

This is true. Archer 'stuns' (I count Aim Low simply because you're range allows you to hit any target when they can't hit you, almost as good as true stun) aren't that impressive, but combined with the range, critical rate, and rate of fire, it's pretty nice.

the aimlow freeze 2 keep casters out of range only works if they dont know u are there when it was fired. as soon as they notice u and move towards u, by the time aim low gets on, they are in casting range. yes, archers have the longest range, but well it only take 1sec or less to break the range distance between archer and a spell. i dont think many archer open up in PvP with aimlow, usually deadly/take aim if they dont know u are there or sharpentooth.

because of this, aim low's freeze ability isnt nearly as useful on veno/wiz/clerics. still works great on barbs and bm though.

Literature - Harshlands

Tearvalerin - Sanctuary wrote: »

lol poor archer has been killed one too many times by a bird. PK in SP maybe where they cant bird?

lol He's on Lost City. You can't choose where you want to pk. =/

Damewort - Sanctuary wrote: »

Have to agree with Tearvalerin:
Venos are weak and squishy. I think veno's attacks are the weakest from all classes, so without a pet we would be even weaker and more challenging than wizards are. The only buff/protection venos have is nerfed in pk mode. Basicly, only pet is left as good "speciality/class" item. True, Nix (or more like Flesh Ream) is a huge extra for pk, but genies will have few spells which removes bleed. So in the end we will have a squishy veno with chicken and some genie's spells.

If you can't take a veno down, then be creative and use your imagination. Even hood wouldn't make too big difference in pk if you figure out how to deal with it. Just ask a veno friend to duel with you. Duel isn't PK, but gives better idea about veno's weaknesses and how to use them for your own good.

But I am not too found of veno PKers who uses their pets to do all the dirty job while they are running around. Those have to improve their skills too...

And barbs can't take me down in pvp, a robe veno. -70% accuracy and fox gives me way more p.def. Leech also gives me +600hp every cast.

When I fight robe and archers (mainly archers) I go fox form, amp, accuracy debuff. Sawfly takes them down alone if they are pure dex. A SAWFLY. ;o

Kinohki - Lost City

Sylvini - Heavens Tear wrote: »

The fundamental idea relies on the players actually knowing what they're talking about, which I've noticed only about 1/3 of them on these forums do. That's acctually above par for most semi-random communities. People tend to leap to judgements and then go on the defensive when those judgements are questioned.


1.) I suggest that Bramble Hood be unnerfed and Flesh Ream be fixed, which would cut the threat of the Nix substantially.

2.) Try strategizing and learning your skills. Veno uses Bramble Hood. MAYBE you're in the middle of a long attack, so you get the reflection of one attack back at you. Then, AoE non-dmg stun (Roar of the Pride I think?) to stun both Veno and Nix (and no dmg reflection, since there's no damage), start wailing on that Nix (anyone else noticed the low defense and HP of that pet?). Experiment: do your ranged BM skills still reflect damage from Bramble Hood? If yes, kite and heal for a bit, if no, use them. Remember, Bramble Hood only lasts a few seconds. Once it's up, the Veno is out 2 sparks, a pet, and now faces your stunlock. That strategy took me about 30 seconds to think up, and I'm not even that familiar with BMs (or Nix, for that matter).


3.) AFK PvPing = vulnerable target = dead Veno, no matter what the pet is.


This is true. Archer 'stuns' (I count Aim Low simply because you're range allows you to hit any target when they can't hit you, almost as good as true stun) aren't that impressive, but combined with the range, critical rate, and rate of fire, it's pretty nice.


It works for Barbs, but apparently there's some kind of unidentified bug in the Veno version they've never been able to fix.

All damage that BM's do are physical so reflect shoots it right back at us. Fighting venos are tricky as our marrows (defense shifts) are useless. Use the magical marrow and P.def drops and the veno's pet will chew us up. Use the physical marrow and the veno's magic will chew us up. While soulcleanse orbs do help on the bleed factor of the nix, the problem is it's speed / accuracy, as ANY pet has pretty high accuracy. The Kin's evasion is not the best, nor does he claim it to be, but even with 2k+ evasion, pets rarely miss The Kin. With it's speed, if you try to out run a nix, you're only wasting time as you can't.

Next we move on to stuns. Any veno who knows how to fight a BM and knows that they're coming should never lose to a BM. Seriously, HP / MP swap, reflect, etc. Venos are literally the closest thing to a perfect class and one of the few things that give the Kin a problem outside of barbarians. Furthermore if bramble hood did work in PVP, it would be so overpowered it's ridiculous. The Kin has actually ONE SHOT himself in duels due to the reflect of bramble hood. (it works in duels) and it hurts BAD.

Venos get stuns (albeit not as many as a BM, yes but still. Pet + magic stun) flesh ream hits the Kin for 798 dmg a tic in heavy armor at level 60, and with only 3200 hp (fist user) unless he pops a soulcleanse orb, the Kin is a dead man. Reflect reflects up to 60% melee damage and a BM has no way around it whatsoever due to all attacks being physical (even ranged ones like farstrike.) No veno worth their salt, unless ganked by surprise, should really ever die to a BM unless they're A. vastly out levelled or B. just make too many mistakes.

BM's have way too many weaknesses...Veno's don't really have that many unless attacked by groups. 1 v 1 PVP they're practically the perfect warrior...They are way, way too versatile.

Literature - Harshlands

One more thing about Sylvinis post. That strategy of going for the pet works with something like a sawfly. They are so weak. b:shocked But I know that if I had a nix I would LOVE for someone to go for it and ignore me. I could amp them, nuke, do some many things that would cause them 100% death. ;o

Osiris - Dreamweaver

Sylvini - Heavens Tear wrote: »

1.) I suggest that Bramble Hood be unnerfed and Flesh Ream be fixed, which would cut the threat of the Nix substantially.

While i think that the effect of bramble guard in PvP doesn't justify its costs of 2 sparks (archers have Wings of Grace which only gives 30% reduction but also grants immunity to movement debuffs and gives a 3 seconds invulnerability for only 1 spark) i still think that any deflect over 40-50% is absulutly imbalanced. Maybe it would be possible to make the deflect effect work in PvP but strongly reduced or something like that.

2.) Try strategizing and learning your skills. Veno uses Bramble Hood. MAYBE you're in the middle of a long attack, so you get the reflection of one attack back at you. Then, AoE non-dmg stun (Roar of the Pride I think?) to stun both Veno and Nix (and no dmg reflection, since there's no damage), start wailing on that Nix (anyone else noticed the low defense and HP of that pet?). Experiment: do your ranged BM skills still reflect damage from Bramble Hood? If yes, kite and heal for a bit, if no, use them. Remember, Bramble Hood only lasts a few seconds. Once it's up, the Veno is out 2 sparks, a pet, and now faces your stunlock. That strategy took me about 30 seconds to think up, and I'm not even that familiar with BMs (or Nix, for that matter).

Hmm, i'm always critical about those specific and idealized case examples because even if they look very easy to implement, they usually aren't.
This whole scene will collapse for example when the bm's stun misses.

And for the nix' case, you seem to have no idea how strong the nix' is even without a bugged flashream. Everything in this game has Strengths and weaknesses - thats the rationale of every MMO(RP)G - but not the phoenix.
According to this a lvl 90 nix has about the HP of a very well equipped archer at this level, magical and physical defence stats that are kinda equal so it reminds you of the light armor build but so sky high that it has like the double defence stats of lvl 90 TT LA and a at least mediocre evasion. Beside that he deals high magical damage (that is usually supposed to be dealt by attack that with a long channeling time) at short intervals that can't miss and eats even the hp of barbs like nothing else.
What the hell makes you think the nix would have low defence and hp? oO

3.) AFK PvPing = vulnerable target = dead Veno, no matter what the pet is.

Well, if you can't kill a Veno that is afk while autopathing you seriously doing something wrong, i agree with you. Anyway, i appreciate that this feature has beeen removed in PvP because no class is able to defend themself while being afk - so why should venos be able to? Since this is not a feature that belongs directly to the concept of the class is has imho no right to exist.

*filler text that makes me able to post this*

Solandri - Heavens Tear

Chocooo - Lost City wrote: »

Rather I find fighting venos with nix's wayyyyy too boring...
They're miles away while one birds bleeding you and stunning you.
At least with other characters you can throw in a skill or two..
With the veno, I can't even fly towards them fast enough.

I don't PvP, but if the veno is that far, can't you just turn around and kill the bird? One of the problems my veno has with moving PvE battles is often the mob and pet run outside of my heal range, and by the time I catch up and start casting heal again, the pet is dead. If your problem is being unable to get within range of the veno, the solution would seem to be to make the veno want to get within range of you...

The cooldown on the Phoenix stun is 60 seconds, so I doubt anyone is ever hit by more than one from the same bird during a single engagement if the veno is as far as you say.

Sylvini - Heavens Tear wrote: »

start wailing on that Nix (anyone else noticed the low defense and HP of that pet?).

The Phoenix has the best defense of any pet, and is second in hp only to the Herc. The Herc without buffs has the same p.def, but lower m.def. It's the sawfly that has high attack but low hp and defense.

Tearvalerin - Sanctuary

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sylvini - Heavens Tear
start wailing on that Nix (anyone else noticed the low defense and HP of that pet?).


this made me lol, phoenix has about 9k pdef, and 10k mdef. better than a stone barriered wizard man . also @ 90 gets ~4k patk

Sylvini - Heavens Tear

Kinohki - Lost City wrote: »

All damage that BM's do are physical so reflect shoots it right back at us. Fighting venos are tricky as our marrows (defense shifts) are useless. Use the magical marrow and P.def drops and the veno's pet will chew us up. Use the physical marrow and the veno's magic will chew us up. While soulcleanse orbs do help on the bleed factor of the nix, the problem is it's speed / accuracy, as ANY pet has pretty high accuracy. The Kin's evasion is not the best, nor does he claim it to be, but even with 2k+ evasion, pets rarely miss The Kin. With it's speed, if you try to out run a nix, you're only wasting time as you can't.

Next we move on to stuns. Any veno who knows how to fight a BM and knows that they're coming should never lose to a BM. Seriously, HP / MP swap, reflect, etc. Venos are literally the closest thing to a perfect class and one of the few things that give the Kin a problem outside of barbarians. Furthermore if bramble hood did work in PVP, it would be so overpowered it's ridiculous. The Kin has actually ONE SHOT himself in duels due to the reflect of bramble hood. (it works in duels) and it hurts BAD.

Venos get stuns (albeit not as many as a BM, yes but still. Pet + magic stun) flesh ream hits the Kin for 798 dmg a tic in heavy armor at level 60, and with only 3200 hp (fist user) unless he pops a soulcleanse orb, the Kin is a dead man. Reflect reflects up to 60% melee damage and a BM has no way around it whatsoever due to all attacks being physical (even ranged ones like farstrike.) No veno worth their salt, unless ganked by surprise, should really ever die to a BM unless they're A. vastly out levelled or B. just make too many mistakes.

BM's have way too many weaknesses...Veno's don't really have that many unless attacked by groups. 1 v 1 PVP they're practically the perfect warrior...They are way, way too versatile.

Ok, for one thing, stop talking about yourself in the third person. It bugs me and makes you look less intelligent than you are.
Secondly, there's a difference between melee and physical damage. I'm not on my Veno atm, so I can't check, but I'm pretty sure that Bramble Hood only reflects melee damage, which means ranged physical attacks (like archer shots) won't be reflected. You may have to experiment with Drake's Ray and the like to see if that works there, I'm not sure.
Thirdly, I apologize about the Nix bit, after double checking, I see I was wrong about it. It really does look OP to me now. It doesn't have that much HP, and is certainly killable, but it's pdef and mdef are way too high for it's attack! And no, don't try to outrun it.
Four, if Flesh Ream were debugged, it'd only be doing about 200 to you per tick, which I think you'll find much more managable.
Five, all the Veno's abilities (soul transfusion, bramble hood, etc.) are unavailable when stunned. Stunned means you can't do anything. A BM who stuns a Veno only needs to worry about the pet and their stun wearing off. Yes, if the stun misses, you're in trouble, but that's true for most any class attacking anyone in PvP.
Six, every class has weaknesses. The Veno's weakness is the Veno itself. Unless you're fighting a HA or LA Veno, the Veno's physical defense and HP are ****. Once you take out the Veno, the pet vanishes, too. If you can in any way tank/avoid/kill the pet, the Veno is an open target. Yes, Bramble Hood is still a concern, but you can interrupt the channelling for it, stun the Veno while it's going, or just avoid using high damage skills and spam potions instead.

The Veno is far from the ultimate PvPer, as evidenced by the PvP rankings. It's a vulnerable and squishy class (even HA Venos still have **** HP). Study it's strengths and weaknesses and you can beat it, just like any other.

Illmatic - Lost City

OKAY HERE IS THE DEAL! EACH CLASS HAS IT OWN UNIQUE STYLE AND ABILITIES.. As for those the CRY and Complain about the VENO's Pet go to HELL!! A Veno is just as strong as her pet.. without it it is useless. Simple not as for the other class STUDY and PRACTICE with you class and form a plan on how you can defeat a VENO instead of QQing all day...

Osiris - Dreamweaver

Illmatic - Lost City wrote: »

OKAY HERE IS THE DEAL! EACH CLASS HAS IT OWN UNIQUE STYLE AND ABILITIES.. As for those the CRY and Complain about the VENO's Pet go to HELL!! A Veno is just as strong as her pet.. without it it is useless. Simple not as for the other class STUDY and PRACTICE with you class and form a plan on how you can defeat a VENO instead of QQing all day...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poOCXeFlX3U

truekossy

Illmatic - Lost City wrote: »

OKAY HERE IS THE DEAL! EACH CLASS HAS IT OWN UNIQUE STYLE AND ABILITIES.. As for those the CRY and Complain about the VENO's Pet go to HELL!! A Veno is just as strong as her pet.. without it it is useless. Simple not as for the other class STUDY and PRACTICE with you class and form a plan on how you can defeat a VENO instead of QQing all day...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y87zKLGDsAE

Mizorie - Lost City

Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I have played every class, and the last game I played I left due to balance issues. This game is balanced well you just like to complain because 1 class can do something you can't. Well I can do that too.

Archers crit too much and have too much attack range, they are overpowered nerf them!

Blademasters spam stuns so no one can fight back, nerf that!

Wizards have a no channeling move, they are overpowered!

Barbarians have too much hp! They are overpowered!

Clerics are overpowered because they can spam heal themselves and use sleep, nerf them too!

That was not a personal attack on a veno, and I didn't say that other classes don't have there own special skills. I was just stating that this does happen in mmos, and my reason on why they nerfed the skill.

Stop trying to find a reason to argue with everyone.

Kinohki - Lost City

truekossy wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y87zKLGDsAE

That..is one...scary..Veno. Seriously how on earth did she (if it's not your char) /you live all that?! She just..doesn't...die..

Tearvalerin - Sanctuary

lol it was a heavy one, must have some pretty heavy refines to last the wizards too.

if you look closely it came close to dying quite a few times, its charm was going off every few seconds

Literature - Harshlands

Kinohki - Lost City wrote: »

That..is one...scary..Veno. Seriously how on earth did she (if it's not your char) /you live all that?! She just..doesn't...die..

The foxform gives massive +p.def. Combine that with her heavy armor set... b:shocked That veno also has 6.6k HP and you see shes just soul transfusing when she gets low. Theres also cleric buffs + the charm + event pots.

Those people also look like they could be about 10-20 lvls lower.

Tearvalerin - Sanctuary

Shes 90, using charm, transfusion, and jaozi event food in heavy armor + fox form. Taking like 2k crits from 70ish players look theres general summer weapons, TT70s, and even plain white geared ones. Im no longer impressed, its just someone wasting supplies, because she is taking a substancial beating, and using 3 different methods of mass HP regen to stay alive.

Defected - Heavens Tear

It's actually a light armor veno. I wish I could contribute more to the convo, but that's all I feel like saying. Rawr.

Tearvalerin - Sanctuary

eh its hard to discern TT90 armors they all look the same under fuzzy graphics, i had to turn on the HD mode on youtube to even tell it was.

lazyness

i lol'd when i saw the thread title