Why do they keep nerfing Venos?! :(
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can't read the mag atk in the second pic
Edit: nvm, u deleted it, and I can see it in the first pic
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Teartroll - Sanctuary wrote: »wow your matk is lower than mine, what are you using for a weapon? (note i have like 2x your base vit)
Requiem Blade +4 with 1 beautiful sapphire. I've said it many times before I keep my damage somewhat low so I won't steal agro from my pets. Though when I went sage I started doing that anyway....b:laughMain characters
Celestial Sage Venomancer Zoe - 100
Sage Barbarian Malego - 910 -
Thx for the screenshots Tear, I'm a little skeptical about your formula tho. My current theory is, that the tooltip is simply mislabeled and its suposed to be 900% magic and 500% physical weapon damage. None of the other magical classs seem to have both factors mentioned in the description, since neither cleric nor wizard relies in any form on physical damage, so i guess thats it.0
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Osiris - Dreamweaver wrote: »Thx for the screenshots Tear, I'm a little skeptical about your formula tho. My current theory is, that the tooltip is simply mislabeled and its suposed to be 900% magic and 500% physical weapon damage. None of the other magical classs seem to have both factors mentioned in the description, since neither cleric nor wizard relies in any form on physical damage, so i guess thats it.
That's the way I've always looked at it considering venos do have foxform which is based on phy attack power. It makes sense.Main characters
Celestial Sage Venomancer Zoe - 100
Sage Barbarian Malego - 910 -
Teartroll pleas show us Your stats before the spark.
Zoe what's Your mag?0 -
Osiris - Dreamweaver wrote: »Thx for the screenshots Tear, I'm a little skeptical about your formula tho. My current theory is, that the tooltip is simply mislabeled and its suposed to be 900% magic and 500% physical weapon damage. None of the other magical classs seem to have both factors mentioned in the description, since neither cleric nor wizard relies in any form on physical damage, so i guess thats it.
If You look at the descriptions of sparks for the MY-EN version (there it's Fury) on Ecatomb You can see it stated explicitly. I hate the skill descriptions here. Like they had no clue what they are talking about. total mess.0 -
Teartroll - Sanctuary wrote: »also im curious, that purple book in the screenie is called a
'Demonhunt Document'
anyone have an idea wtf its for? a spider dropped it earlier
Seems to be a lvl 95 quest book. You need to kill some lvl 102 mobs/bosses (?) in Abbadon to get a crappy gold/exp/spirit award.
Damn, this discussion is going really OT
Pirodar - Sanctuary wrote: »If You look at the descriptions of sparks for the MY-EN version (there it's Fury) on Ecatomb You can see it stated explicitly. I hate the skill descriptions here. Like they had no clue what they are talking about. total mess.
Ah, thx for confirming. Some skills descriptions in pwi are really confusing or simply inaccurate.0 -
I have 385 magic currently with my gear. When I level up though I'll be changing gear and it will look like this: http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=64fffc8c03ab095a
Hope you can use it.Main characters
Celestial Sage Venomancer Zoe - 100
Sage Barbarian Malego - 910 -
Ok here is my theory.
The formula for base M attack is
(1+mag/100)*(lvl + M attack of equipment)
The bonus from spark is x% of the right part of that formula that is (lvl + M attack of equipment)
For Teartroll
base M attack 5430 - 6224, mag 378
min (lvl + M attack of equipment) = 5430 / 4.78 = 1135.98
max (lvl + M attack of equipment) = 6224 / 4.78 = 1302.01
after spark
min M attack = 1135.98 * (4.78 + 9) = 15633.8
max M attack = 1302.01 * (4.78 + 9) = 17941.7
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Xdmghyper - Lost City wrote: »ok so far i know that the following skills have been nerfed:
1) swimming speed skills ( i want my money and sp back pls )
2) bramble guard and hood reflect skills dont work for pvp anymore!! b:cry
3) ok this last one i just noticed today after some testing, when u summon pet and put it on shield mode it doesnt work for pvp anymore , only pve. b:angry
im so upset coz they never told us when they nerfed it and we must discover the secrets for ourselves....b:surrender
if anyone knows anything else thats been nerfed pls share with us. thanks!!
pking totaly lost in this game with or without ur skills pking still **** here b:chuckleI MISS AYANOb:cryb:sad0 -
For Zoe
base M attack 5233 - 6029, mag 385
after spark
min M attack = (5233 / 4.85) * 13.85 = 14943.7
max M attack = (6029 / 4.85) * 13.85 = 17216.8
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Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »I have 385 magic currently with my gear. When I level up though I'll be changing gear and it will look like this: http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=64fffc8c03ab095a
Hope you can use it.
Physical Attack: (1 + (2*71/300) ) * (92 + [ 493 - 696 ]) = 862 - 1161
Seems to differ from what the calculator says tho. Dunno what i did wrong.
Magical Attacl: (1 + 389/100) * (92 + 2*77 + [ 826 - 990 ]) = 5243 - 6045
Inaccurate again. Not touching sparks before i know what i'm doing wrong... 0 -
Pirodar - Sanctuary wrote: »Ok here is my theory.
The formula for base M attack is
(1+mag/100)*(lvl + M attack of equipment)
The bonus from spark is x% of the right part of that formula that is (lvl + M attack of equipment)
For Teartroll
base M attack 5430 - 6224, mag 378
min (lvl + M attack of equipment) = 5430 / 4.78 = 1135.98
max (lvl + M attack of equipment) = 6224 / 4.78 = 1302.01
after spark
min M attack = 1135.98 * (4.78 + 9) = 15633.8
max M attack = 1302.01 * (4.78 + 9) = 17941.7
I think you have it. Thanks.
What Pirodar is saying is that the M atk formula is:
(1 + mag/100)*(lvl + M attack of equipment)
A 900% spark eruption turns it into:
(1 + mag/100 + 9)*(lvl + M attack of equipment)
Presumably a 400% spark eruption would turn it into:
(1 + mag/100 + 4)*(lvl + M attack of equipment)
That's a really dumb way to code/describe it though. It means your mag stat has no impact on how much bonus you get from a spark. It's entirely dependent on your level and weapon+rings.0 -
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He he
Look what happens when You change the class in that calculator. Just the class.
the formula
(1 + mag/100) * (lvl + M attack of EQ)
works for wizards and clerics. Venos have a bit different version. I have no idea what, but I suspect, the level to be taken into account differently.
Don't ask me why and I don't want to know actually. Half of this game's mechanics looks like **** together by a bunch of amateurs in their basement and more by accident than with a single thought given to it.0 -
Pirodar - Sanctuary wrote: »He he
Look what happens when You change the class in that calculator. Just the class.
the formula
(1 + mag/100) * (lvl + M attack of EQ)
works for wizards and clerics. Venos have a bit different version. I have no idea what, but I suspect, the level to be taken into account differently.
Don't ask me why and I don't want to know actually. Half of this game's mechanics looks like **** together by a bunch of amateurs in their basement and more by accident than with a single thought given to it.
their magic adds less dmg, though not by much, and their hp adds quite abit more, 12 instad of 100 -
TheGoliath - Heavens Tear wrote: »what a sea of ****
1) pvp rankings... most of those archers are ppl that spend the days in Sp or hidden orchid killing 30+, u can't rely on those
2) anyone can do it, I know, that's why most servers are overpopulated by venos, go to a random city and check it by urself
3) venos are by far the richest class, no repairs, no pots, grinding is easy as hell with the pet taking damage and u can kill mobs faster than melee classes at 70 using a 40 weapon, farm the cash for a herc (and with the herc farm cash for the Nix) is not hard as u may think
4) I don't really want the venos to be nerfed, I want the Nix nerfed, that would be all for me... the bugged pet attack against [?] mobs is another thing
Edit: and u know that with "Nix" i mean especially the flesh realm
For that line, you are wrong. while it is easy to make money and if we play safe there 'might' not be repairs, going out without pots is just plain idiotic. Venos are just as, if not more expensive then most classes. go check out Mrs.zoologist and check what a veno has to spend to lvl pet skills or get new ones,or even just to forget one! (not to mention pet food, and tomes so you can save some money on food.) And if you have nix or herc feeding them is like hemrioging money....b:cry that and buying a herc or nix b:shocked is just murder!0 -
To max the skills most wizards see as necassary the total is 40million coins.
Pet food? you can't afford 20k of water once a month?
Also compare your repair bill with that of a barb/BM/Archer/Cleric/Wizard. Ours are 10x lower.(Barbs get 50-100k repairs for a TT run as tank).Currently flying internet spaceships around dodixie, moving to amarr soon.
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I didn't say barbs didn't have it bad... and did you miss the part about tomes...
don't need water. Sesame oil, Hay for Nix, Meat, fine meat, or martin nests for herc. my repair bill might not comepare to a tank obviously, but the point is the COST OF BEING A VENO IS NO LESS VALID! ^^ I listed everything accept veno skills as valid points of why a veno is still expensive to be...
the cost of nix/herc ($200+/20mil+ EACH)
repair bill (depends on build and how you play, this varies)
tome (like 2mil to buy)
pet food (depends on your pet. Herc ONLY eats meat types/Nix eats ONLY hay)
pots (depends on your lvl)
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pots huh...i've never bought pots ever as a veno, and the only times i consistently used pots were when i ran cube
sure, you want pots for when you get in a pinch, but those are never bought, always accumulatedElena Costel: I wash my hands of this affair.
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Nakumi - Dreamweaver wrote: »I didn't say barbs didn't have it bad... and did you miss the part about tomes...
don't need water. Sesame oil, Hay for Nix, Meat, fine meat, or martin nests for herc. my repair bill might not comepare to a tank obviously, but the point is the COST OF BEING A VENO IS NO LESS VALID! ^^ I listed everything accept veno skills as valid points of why a veno is still expensive to be...
the cost of nix/herc ($200+/20mil+ EACH)
repair bill (depends on build and how you play, this varies)
tome (like 2mil to buy)
pet food (depends on your pet. Herc ONLY eats meat types/Nix eats ONLY hay)
pots (depends on your lvl)
and pet skills (forgeting/leveling/learning)
People only argue about venos because we have higher solo money making abillity. We can farm TT/FB alone for pages, books, molds, mats. Yes there are some exceptions with certain bosses but you wont see anyone else doing that kind of farming alone. Venos are a solo class its what we do. Pet food like seriously all you do is get a christmas blessing/tome (doesnt have to be fancy and 2 mill for a tome yikes your getting way riped off heck you'd rather just get chirstmas blessing it should only be around 600k give or take 100k) and feed it to get loyalty up and when it dies. I only use hp charm we have no need for mp charm.....and pots o.O only for emergency otherwise we use the hp/mana regeneration skills and soulswitch. No cost effective veno would keep feeding its pet meat or hay every 5 min thats just crazy but maybe theres those crazy people who like to feed it every 5 min o.O ....
Conclusion we venos are the better money making class however we arent as rich as people would like to believe.0 -
_makina_ - Sanctuary wrote: »People only argue about venos because we have higher solo money making abillity. We can farm TT/FB alone for pages, books, molds, mats. Yes there are some exceptions with certain bosses but you wont see anyone else doing that kind of farming alone. Venos are a solo class its what we do. Pet food like seriously all you do is get a christmas blessing/tome (doesnt have to be fancy and 2 mill for a tome yikes your getting way riped off heck you'd rather just get chirstmas blessing it should only be around 600k give or take 100k) and feed it to get loyalty up and when it dies. I only use hp charm we have no need for mp charm.....and pots o.O only for emergency otherwise we use the hp/mana regeneration skills and soulswitch. No cost effective veno would keep feeding its pet meat or hay every 5 min thats just crazy but maybe theres those crazy people who like to feed it every 5 min o.O ....
Conclusion we venos are the better money making class however we arent as rich as people would like to believe.
excuse me but tomes sell for 2.5 mil on DW server (or at least I've only seen them for this much), and I did not say I bought mine did I ^^. I do understand Venos are THE solo class. but I'm not arguing solo ability... I'm arguing cost. I don't feed my pet every 5 min.s I have a tome but my pet does end up dead sometimes. Bringing loyalty back up costs food ^^.
if you think the cost of tomes is rediculous take it up with the sellers. Xmas still gets catshopped 2.5 mil even tho everyone gets one at lvl80. -.- the in game economy is based on peoples greed. plain and simple. A lot of people just don't know the worth of the item...
me, I wouldn't waste the 2.5 mil on the tome when I can buy all I need to make it for less then half that... ^^
I don't know about how things work on your server but there are CLERICS on mine that solo better then most venos I know... the ability to heal yourself goes a long way. ^^ "If I can survive more then one hit, I can solo it... or at least tank it." quote from a cleric on my server. ^^
as for how soloing automaticly means more money... well thats just fail because there are ways other then farming coin off mobs or selling TT mats to make money...0 -
Teartroll - Sanctuary wrote: »first fix your shift key. the number 6 shouldnt be shifted 24/7, i think youre pretty confused man. we do make money, but we are not expensive to play
tomes are 500-750k on sanct, dont speak for every server, it makes a bad argument.
only an idiot veno doesnt solo better than clerics. you shouldnt be taking hits unless something spawns next to you and aggros while the pet is busy.
wrong as well, soloing for me yields 350-400k an hour, at a certain area in avalanche canyon. way better to spend a few hours leveling and get many different benefits than to sit in a TT all day and pray for good drops.
invalid points next to yours. venos only major expense is the fact we need to spend 20m to be on par in damage dealing :P.
I wasn't arguing it is more expensive to be a veno then other classes, just that we are not cheap. There really is no need to be rude...
And I plainly stated that tomes where 2.5 mil ON DW SERVER (DREAMWEAVER).
By the way, discrediting my ability as a veno to make yourself look smart is immature, your a lvl one veno on a different server. you have no idea how well I play or not. I'll thank you not to assume.
This is a disscussion, not a flame war. I have made intellectual arguements about the cost of being a veno. you disagree, well tell me so in a mature and polite manner. I have been to the best of my ability, polite in my replies.0 -
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Nakumi - Dreamweaver wrote: »By the way, discrediting my ability as a veno to make yourself look smart is immature, your a lvl one veno on a different server. you have no idea how well I play or not. I'll thank you not to assum
Because avatar level is always an accurate representation of the person posting and level one venos are able to use sage spark and post pics of it to help people figure out how the spark bonuses work, right? b:shocked0 -
Because avatar level is always an accurate representation of the person posting and level one venos are able to use sage spark and post pics of it to help people figure out how the spark bonuses work, right? b:shocked
QFT.
And on a sidenote... For those of you going on a rant about how cheap Venos are. You're both very right, and very wrong. It all comes down to how you play your Veno. A Pure Caster is cheap. Period. Very little repair costs, only has to buy half the skills. On the far, far other end of the spectrum is a hybrid. And, for sheer arguments sake, call it a hybrid who usually specializes in fighting in Fox Form. You are now buying ALL the skills, and having a MUCH higher repair cost than the caster. Magic weapons do NOT like taking a beating. Those weapons break at an astounding speed. At my level, as the aforementioned hybrid fox, I get a repair cost of about 25k an hour, and that's just simply grinding. If I'm taking hits, which I usually end up doing during an FB run, I'll have repair costs of 35k plus for most of the FB runs I do. That's approaching Barb costs. Throw in the skills for my pets, and the tome I have, which is level 3, by the way. Not to mention the fact that I'm an LA/AA build, which requires very planned out gear to not suck.
I may make money, but I am BROKE. Every time I get a bit of spare cash, I've already got a sky high list of things I already should have spent it on. I've spent so much money on things, I said "**** it" and dumped all my spirit into 4 genies to level them to 50. And I still have 200k to spare...
So, before you scream "VENOS ARE TEH SUXXORS!!!!" Do us all a favor, and think before you post. It's pointless to generalize a class because of what is normal. One of my good friends is a Barbarian, right on top of my level. The guy is sitting on millions in his bank. People keep talking about how all of [insert class here] does [insert stereotype here]. With as many ways to play this game as there are, chances are, someone is going to tell you you're wrong. For instance, Clerics. People call Venos the solo grinding class... But have you seen a Cleric in their grinding prime? I know a cleric who AoE grinds mobs that would eat me in seconds. I'm referring to Petalis. Wood mob, poison DoT. Scares me to death to get more than 2 on me, yet this cleric, alone, and unaided, gathers 6 or more to just decimate. Guess who levels faster...
Now, some of you might say "That's a stupid example!" But the fact remains, we all have strengths and weaknesses. The cleric in that example actually has almost NO repair cost because DoTs do not affect repair bills. The only thing he breaks? His weapon. At an extremely slow speed. Something tells me that he actually makes money faster than... Do I dare say it? A grinding Veno.
Yes, some Venos solo TT, etc. But it's a pain in the ****! And have you seen the prices of TT stuff? It's going down! Why? Because of all the Venos who have flooded the market with it. Soon, there won't even be a market for such things. Then what are the Venos going to do? Solo Frostcovered City? Not likely. There's no way they could get past the Wu's alone. Pets can't reach those annoying things. Do Lunar Valley? Don't make me laugh. Venos are going to resort to grinding, with their mediocre kill speed, and end up being on the same footing as everyone else. So, while, yes, a large chunk of Venos are "the money making class", it's only temporary. They'll always have the advantage during the low levels, but once all the classes start to get decent skills, it might not be the Veno that makes the money anymore. Just wait for it.0 -
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omg veno sparks are insane!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!0
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the things I pointed in this quote are ****Isala - Sanctuary wrote: »QFT.
And on a sidenote... For those of you going on a rant about how cheap Venos are. You're both very right, and very wrong. It all comes down to how you play your Veno. A Pure Caster is cheap. Period. Very little repair costs, only has to buy half the skills. On the far, far other end of the spectrum is a hybrid. And, for sheer arguments sake, call it a hybrid who usually specializes in fighting in Fox Form. You are now buying ALL the skills, and having a MUCH higher repair cost than the caster. Magic weapons do NOT like taking a beating. Those weapons break at an astounding speed. At my level, as the aforementioned hybrid fox, I get a repair cost of about 25k an hour, and that's just simply grinding. If I'm taking hits, which I usually end up doing during an FB run, I'll have repair costs of 35k plus for most of the FB runs I do. That's approaching Barb costs. Throw in the skills for my pets, and the tome I have, which is level 3, by the way. Not to mention the fact that I'm an LA/AA build, which requires very planned out gear to not suck.
I may make money, but I am BROKE. Every time I get a bit of spare cash, I've already got a sky high list of things I already should have spent it on. I've spent so much money on things, I said "**** it" and dumped all my spirit into 4 genies to level them to 50. And I still have 200k to spare...
So, before you scream "VENOS ARE TEH SUXXORS!!!!" Do us all a favor, and think before you post. It's pointless to generalize a class because of what is normal. One of my good friends is a Barbarian, right on top of my level. The guy is sitting on millions in his bank. People keep talking about how all of [insert class here] does [insert stereotype here]. With as many ways to play this game as there are, chances are, someone is going to tell you you're wrong. For instance, Clerics. People call Venos the solo grinding class... But have you seen a Cleric in their grinding prime? I know a cleric who AoE grinds mobs that would eat me in seconds. I'm referring to Petalis. Wood mob, poison DoT. Scares me to death to get more than 2 on me, yet this cleric, alone, and unaided, gathers 6 or more to just decimate. Guess who levels faster...
Now, some of you might say "That's a stupid example!" But the fact remains, we all have strengths and weaknesses. The cleric in that example actually has almost NO repair cost because DoTs do not affect repair bills. The only thing he breaks? His weapon. At an extremely slow speed. Something tells me that he actually makes money faster than... Do I dare say it? A grinding Veno.
Yes, some Venos solo TT, etc. But it's a pain in the ****! And have you seen the prices of TT stuff? It's going down! Why? Because of all the Venos who have flooded the market with it. Soon, there won't even be a market for such things. Then what are the Venos going to do? Solo Frostcovered City? Not likely. There's no way they could get past the Wu's alone. Pets can't reach those annoying things. Do Lunar Valley? Don't make me laugh. Venos are going to resort to grinding, with their mediocre kill speed, and end up being on the same footing as everyone else. So, while, yes, a large chunk of Venos are "the money making class", it's only temporary. They'll always have the advantage during the low levels, but once all the classes start to get decent skills, it might not be the Veno that makes the money anymore. Just wait for it.
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Sage Barbarian Malego - 910
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