Why do they keep nerfing Venos?! :(

Xdmghyper - Lost City

ok so far i know that the following skills have been nerfed:

1) swimming speed skills ( i want my money and sp back pls )

2) bramble guard and hood reflect skills dont work for pvp anymore!! b:cry

3) ok this last one i just noticed today after some testing, when u summon pet and put it on shield mode it doesnt work for pvp anymore , only pve. b:angry

im so upset coz they never told us when they nerfed it and we must discover the secrets for ourselves....b:surrender

if anyone knows anything else thats been nerfed pls share with us. thanks!!

Tearvalerin - Sanctuary

it would be nice if they announced it, but as far as i know it hasnt held me back or made me stink in any way, i still kill people just fine o:. just practice a little, you can kick **** without use of guard and hood .

Torinchibi - Lost City

I am glad they did that, now you can't fly around in fox form and not even press buttons to **** ppl with the nix, you at least have to target them. It's really not nerfing when the other classes don't even have a pet to do that with.

....Watch what they'll do next, they'll actually make you use ctrl+2 for skills instead of ctrl+1 and it auto does it. You got a nix with a bigged flesh ream, you don't get the right to QQ.

Tearvalerin - Sanctuary

lol poor archer has been killed one too many times by a bird. PK in SP maybe where they cant bird?

angellicdeity

Tearvalerin - Sanctuary wrote: »

lol poor archer has been killed one too many times by a bird. PK in SP maybe where they cant bird?

You'll see that many Veno's are:


1) Afraid of dungeon-class area's

2) Afraid of water



The moment I drop into the water soo many veno's make a dash for safety.

sage0nemage

Lol even Venomancers like to QQ, you have a bugged bird as mentioned - QQ rights taken away -

eldnar

Maybe they should spend less time nerfing venos and more time balancing everyone? Having not played a MMO before this game I expected it to have some of the balance I have seen in some single player RPGs out there but not too long after playing I realized how unfair things were based just on what class you selected.

Tearvalerin - Sanctuary

sage0nemage wrote: »

Lol even Venomancers like to QQ, you have a bugged bird as mentioned - QQ rights taken away -

lol, i dont use a bird to PVP O_O; i pvp with a kowlin O_o;

Torinchibi - Lost City

Genies are meant to balance classes by letting you select your style of play. The problem is that a veno won't need extra dmg b/c of flesh ream, and they have all the genie skills except anti stun and dragons, so they will end up really having everything.

Tearvalerin - Sanctuary

people act like were invincible though, we're not, wear a charm, aim for the squishy toy, easy kill . if you cant kill a venomancer theres something wrong.

Damewort - Sanctuary

Have to agree with Tearvalerin:
Venos are weak and squishy. I think veno's attacks are the weakest from all classes, so without a pet we would be even weaker and more challenging than wizards are. The only buff/protection venos have is nerfed in pk mode. Basicly, only pet is left as good "speciality/class" item. True, Nix (or more like Flesh Ream) is a huge extra for pk, but genies will have few spells which removes bleed. So in the end we will have a squishy veno with chicken and some genie's spells.

If you can't take a veno down, then be creative and use your imagination. Even hood wouldn't make too big difference in pk if you figure out how to deal with it. Just ask a veno friend to duel with you. Duel isn't PK, but gives better idea about veno's weaknesses and how to use them for your own good.

But I am not too found of veno PKers who uses their pets to do all the dirty job while they are running around. Those have to improve their skills too...

eldnar

I don't do PvP but I don't see what is wrong with those players taking advantage of sending some pet to do the dirty work. The game allows it and it isn't an illegal move so if you cannot survive the aerial or ground assault then oh well. Any complaints you have about PvP should be checked at the door before you clicked to stay in it for 10 hours. :P

angellicdeity

Tearvalerin - Sanctuary wrote: »

people act like were invincible though, we're not, wear a charm, aim for the squishy toy, easy kill . if you cant kill a venomancer theres something wrong.

Damewort - Sanctuary wrote: »

Have to agree with Tearvalerin:
Venos are weak and squishy. I think veno's attacks are the weakest from all classes, so without a pet we would be even weaker and more challenging than wizards are. The only buff/protection venos have is nerfed in pk mode. Basicly, only pet is left as good "speciality/class" item. True, Nix (or more like Flesh Ream) is a huge extra for pk, but genies will have few spells which removes bleed. So in the end we will have a squishy veno with chicken and some genie's spells.

If you can't take a veno down, then be creative and use your imagination. Even hood wouldn't make too big difference in pk if you figure out how to deal with it. Just ask a veno friend to duel with you. Duel isn't PK, but gives better idea about veno's weaknesses and how to use them for your own good.

But I am not too found of veno PKers who uses their pets to do all the dirty job while they are running around. Those have to improve their skills too...

... Heavy Veno?


I highly doubt you guys ever had the pleasure of meeting one in open PvP - seeing as how you guys are on PvE servers.



Heavy Venomancers simply let the Pheonix (QQBird) attack while they kite beyond striking range. When a venomancer can use the QQBird to attack from beyond an archers range there is something seriously wrong with balance there.



The only real way to deal with the QQ Bird is to drop into a pond somewhere. Only, the venomancer will be long gone because they have an allergy to hydrogen dioxide

Damewort - Sanctuary

Only heavy veno I have fought with meelee veno and it was in a duel - Conclusion: Scorpion hurts a lot...

Heavy venos are bit different as there is a need for some skills to build and level them up properly. Also I think they think more about which pet to use and how to lvl up.
Btw, how good is their magic defence? Heavy veno can handle phys. attacks better, but how good is their resistance against magic attacks?

xeron66

Damewort - Sanctuary wrote: »

Btw, how good is their magic defence? Heavy veno can handle phys. attacks better, but how good is their resistance against magic attacks?

pretty much invulnarable to mag attacks cause QQ bird finishes robes in a blink

Zoe - Heavens Tear

xeron66 wrote: »

pretty much invulnarable to mag attacks cause QQ bird finishes robes in a blink

I've killed 2 phoenixes that were about to attack me with no trouble. Did a 3rd in seconds when it was attacking a friend. All were high level birds around my level. I don't see what the problem is.

Niamy - Sanctuary

Torinchibi - Lost City wrote: »

I am glad they did that, now you can't fly around in fox form and not even press buttons to **** ppl with the nix, you at least have to target them. It's really not nerfing when the other classes don't even have a pet to do that with.

....Watch what they'll do next, they'll actually make you use ctrl+2 for skills instead of ctrl+1 and it auto does it. You got a nix with a bigged flesh ream, you don't get the right to QQ.

I am glaaaaaaaaaaad of play game with bugs and that u say is same thing... non sense things, im agree with the fix of the fleash ram and im veno.
Please think twice before post

b:bye

PS: Sometimes i think that the game is free to play but the forum should be pay per post.

Vulpix - Lost City

What's next, no heal pet?

mbrunestud

bramble's return hasnt worked in pvp for god knows how long. why bring it up now? OP is trolling the **** out of everyone

Vulpix - Lost City

mbrunestud wrote: »

bramble's return hasnt worked in pvp for god knows how long. why bring it up now? OP is trolling the **** out of everyone

Yeah we know it hasn't worked for a while, OP was listing everything that has been nerfed SO FAR. He isn't trolling, he's simply asking for a little more notification from the staff in regards to letting us know that certain things don't work anymore.

Niamy - Sanctuary

mbrunestud wrote: »

bramble's return hasnt worked in pvp for god knows how long. why bring it up now? OP is trolling the **** out of everyone

Now? since long time that ppl report this bug... months ago b:embarrass

b:bye

Mizorie - Lost City

This is what the do in any mmo they nerf and raise skills to better help the balance of the game....venos just seemed to be the only class that is noticibly OP. They can't get rid of the nix because its a major profit for them, so there just going to nerf every other skill a veno has.

Zoe - Heavens Tear

Mizorie - Lost City wrote: »

This is what the do in any mmo they nerf and raise skills to better help the balance of the game....venos just seemed to be the only class that is noticibly OP. They can't get rid of the nix because its a major profit for them, so there just going to nerf every other skill a veno has.

I have played every class, and the last game I played I left due to balance issues. This game is balanced well you just like to complain because 1 class can do something you can't. Well I can do that too.

Archers crit too much and have too much attack range, they are overpowered nerf them!

Blademasters spam stuns so no one can fight back, nerf that!

Wizards have a no channeling move, they are overpowered!

Barbarians have too much hp! They are overpowered!

Clerics are overpowered because they can spam heal themselves and use sleep, nerf them too!

Murugan - Lost City

angellicdeity wrote: »

... Heavy Veno?


I highly doubt you guys ever had the pleasure of meeting one in open PvP - seeing as how you guys are on PvE servers.



Heavy Venomancers simply let the Pheonix (QQBird) attack while they kite beyond striking range. When a venomancer can use the QQBird to attack from beyond an archers range there is something seriously wrong with balance there.



The only real way to deal with the QQ Bird is to drop into a pond somewhere. Only, the venomancer will be long gone because they have an allergy to hydrogen dioxide

dihydrogen monoxide*

Zephyrx - Lost City

They should nerf the Nix not the Veno lol....

Wrong target!

P.S. Goes off to drink some

Murugan wrote:

DiHydrogen Monoxide

... Oh yea, it's a seriously dangerous chemicial

FoxRunning - Heavens Tear

veno's afraid of water? guess you never heard of water pets....how do you think we hunt underwater mobs?
*CHOMP*[/COLOR]

angellicdeity wrote: »

You'll see that many Veno's are:


1) Afraid of dungeon-class area's

2) Afraid of water



The moment I drop into the water soo many veno's make a dash for safety.

Loltank - Harshlands

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Tahathegreat - Dreamweaver

loltank are you looking for a spam ban?

Sylvini - Heavens Tear

Unfortunately, it seems that PWI may have fallen into the trap that many F2P MMOs fall into: letting their player base debug/balance the game. This sounds like a really good idea, but it comes at a serious cost: many players (and often the most vocal ones) are lazy/idiotic/not serious. This means that lots of people QQ about Venos on the boards who have never even tried playing one and haven't even thought about taking advantage of the Veno's weaknesses, and so PWI nerfs Venos.

There was nothing wrong with Bramble Hood in PvP. It's no worse than a BM's stuns. If Bramble Hood gets nerfed, so should those stuns, and the cleric's sleep/damage spells, and the archer's range/stuns, and the Barb's HP, and every advantage every class has. There's nothing wrong with pets (though I don't really see much of an advantage to the 'shield' in PvP). There isn't even anything wrong with Nix. The only problem is Flesh Ream. Stop nerfing Venos based on uninformed QQing and just fix Flesh Ream.

And btw, to all the PvPers out there that QQ about Flesh Ream on Nixs, there are apoth potions to take care of that already, and there are going to be genie skills to manage it as well. Does that mean Flesh Ream isn't bugged any more? No, but it does mean you don't have to let yourselves be **** by it every second.

Chocooo - Lost City

Rather I find fighting venos with nix's wayyyyy too boring...
They're miles away while one birds bleeding you and stunning you.
At least with other characters you can throw in a skill or two..
With the veno, I can't even fly towards them fast enough.

Yawn. Heavy Venos with 5k-7k hp are just too fun to kill. /endsarcasm
Of course the Sanct/HT people would never have experienced one.

OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear

Xdmghyper - Lost City wrote: »

3) ok this last one i just noticed today after some testing, when u summon pet and put it on shield mode it doesnt work for pvp anymore , only pve. b:angry

Did you mean in "defensive" mode?