Names after merge are unfair. One server gets the non suffixed version and the other does.

bangbang · July 2015

From your announcement you guys stated that players with the same names will get a suffix. But only the listed servers, so that means players on Sanctuary won't get a suffix and keep the original? This better be wrong and also what if someone gets the suffix lets say LC and there is a character with that combo what happens then?

i.e.)
Before merge:
PlayerName
PlayerNameLC

After merge:
PlayerNameLC
PlayerNameLC [Because PlayerNameLC did not exist on Sanctuary]

reliea · July 2015

Honestly I don't think this is going to be a big issue. I agree it's not particularly esthetically pleasing.
And yes, as far as the official news seems to say the only suffixes are LC, RT and HL.
What will probably happen if someone happens to have a LC, RT or HL on the end of their name already is that they'll get a 2nd one after the merge, since that means someone on the other server also has the same suffix for some odd reason (I feel this situation is so rare that perhaps it might effect a small handful of people at best).
Before Merge:
S- Mary
LC- Mary
After Merge:
Mary
MaryLC

or
Before Merge:
S- MaryLC
LC- MaryLC
After Merge:
MaryLC
MaryLCLC

bangbang · July 2015

I don't see why it has to be LC because that is just ugly and stupid. I would be totally fine with numbers with a free name change stone in case we ever want to change the name. Also, what about inactive players that is so stupid that inactive players can potentially have our names as well and force us to get this extra suffix when they should get the suffix.

reliea · July 2015

bangbang wrote: »

I don't see why it has to be LC because that is just ugly and stupid. I would be totally fine with numbers with a free name change stone in case we ever want to change the name. Also, what about inactive players that is so stupid that inactive players can potentially have our names as well and force us to get this extra suffix when they should get the suffix.

I agree, I think all suffixes are ugly; it would be kind of them to just make you rename your char automatically before you log in if for some odd reason you have the same name as someone else, or yes, give everyone with a duplicate name a free name-change stone. Or if they were really set on putting a suffix, it should have been a symbol maybe, like a star or a heart or a Chinese character of some description, something that might look nicer than seemingly awkward letters.

I've been through a server merge before on another game that had a similar issue, and they just went the route of making you rename your char before you were able to log it on.

I still don't think this will end up being a big deal. From what I've seen so far, 90% of people have duplicate names because they themselves have made a 2nd char on a different server with the same name. Like I've said on other threads, if they delete their dupe char NOW, it'll be gone by the time the server finishes merging and they wont have a problem, probably. For the others, just from seeing names on the Sanct server over the years, if there are "unique" instances of doubling from different individuals, I'd be very surprised, at least surprised if the number of individuals with the same name is large enough to notice.

It would be great to clean inactive accounts to free up names, but then when do you draw the line?

mikkeline · July 2015

My thoughts are that what happens if there is already a character on Dreamweaver named abcRT and a the character abc on Raging Tide, then what happens? Only adding suffixes to one servers names will end up in a mess when there is already characters in their system with those names.

As an alternative they can give an ARC code or some sort of log in reward for a name change stone, so all those affected by this change have a possibility to get rid of the suffix. For all those players that no longer play the game, this will become irrelevant anyway.

Also just deleting the character on the other server does not work. It is not possible to give a char a name that have been used once. So even if the character is deleted it still "exists" in their database, and cannot be used.

tet · July 2015

mikkeline wrote: »

Also just deleting the character on the other server does not work. It is not possible to give a char a name that have been used once. So even if the character is deleted it still "exists" in their database, and cannot be used.

Not true. I reserved names quite often and created a character with the very same name later on an other account.

reliea · July 2015

mikkeline wrote: »

My thoughts are that what happens if there is already a character on Dreamweaver named abcRT and a the character abc on Raging Tide, then what happens? Only adding suffixes to one servers names will end up in a mess when there is already characters in their system with those names.

Also just deleting the character on the other server does not work. It is not possible to give a char a name that have been used once. So even if the character is deleted it still "exists" in their database, and cannot be used.

In your example, abcRT from Dreamweaver, and abc from RT are 2 different names, so while it would seem like abcRT from Dreamweaver was actually from RT after the merge, that's only a perception issue from a player perspective, not a database issue.
From reading the news article, I believe the merging player ONLY gets a suffix IF there is already a dupe char on the server they're merging with.
So, if Mary from LC merges with Sanct, and there is no other char named Mary, she will be Mary. If there is a Mary on Sanct, Mary from LC will become MaryLC. And like I said, if for some reason MaryLC already existed, the merging char will most likely become MaryLCLC. Ugly yes, annoying yes, but well, at this point it is what it is.

You're incorrect about the deleting character issue. If you delete a character, the name is available again after the 7 day deletion period. The name only becomes permanently unavailable IF you change your name with a name-change stone.

bangbang · July 2015

Here is another solution, players with the duplicate names should be given a message from the GM via mailbox telling them their name is a duplicate and to respond to the mail to receive the name. If both players respond then the player who created the character first will receive the name and the other a name change stone.
(Since the above may cause a lot of overhead)

Players inactive with the same duplicate names with longer than 1 year inactivity should be given the suffix. The suffix however should just be a number appended to the end signifying them as a duplicate of the original. i.e.) Player, Player1
Since nearly all players have probably gotten their names copied by other players and most of them did it just to troll. Some players have the same name and they have already quit. I know a lot of players who stayed up all night just for PWI to launch on day 1 just to get certain names on the PvP server and it shouldn't be fair for them to be forced to lose their original name.

reliea · July 2015

bangbang wrote: »

Here is another solution, players with the duplicate names should be given a message from the GM via mailbox telling them their name is a duplicate and to respond to the mail to receive the name. If both players respond then the player who created the character first will receive the name and the other a name change stone.
(Since the above may cause a lot of overhead)

Players inactive with the same duplicate names with longer than 1 year inactivity should be given the suffix. The suffix however should just be a number appended to the end signifying them as a duplicate of the original. i.e.) Player, Player1
Since nearly all players have probably gotten their names copied by other players and most of them did it just to troll. Some players have the same name and they have already quit. I know a lot of players who stayed up all night just for PWI to launch on day 1 just to get certain names on the PvP server and it shouldn't be fair for them to be forced to lose their original name.

I think the absolute best case scenario you can hope for at this point is that enough people complain about the suffix that the people effected by the suffix get mailed a bound-to-account name-change stone. Anything with more steps, or extra levels of code analysis probably won't happen.
Honestly, the thing I want people to think about more than anything else is how risky merging itself is, I think that if everyone's chars come out the other end of this with all their gear and stuff in all the right places, we should be grateful, and deal with the naming issue afterwords >.>

kingzisekev · July 2015

can't see PWI giving out thousands of dollars worth of name change stones, think your all dreaming if you think they will do that. Even if it is 'bound' to the account, can you imagine all those people changing names? Can't see that happening.

dblazen1 · July 2015

>people want merge
>know there will be consequences

>people get merge
>complain about those exact consequences

Ah, PWI community, stay classy.

vulpeca · July 2015

I agree its silly that only some servers gonna get the suffix on their char/guild names. Its better to give them an option to change name without costs, because its not their fault they have same names as some other player on diff server.

eiledon · July 2015

The older more populous non pvp servers are being left as undisturbed as possible by the look of it - seems like common sense to me to be honest. And some servers already share a name database so there is no conflict to be managed upon merging.

mikkeline · July 2015

reliea wrote: »

In your example, abcRT from Dreamweaver, and abc from RT are 2 different names, so while it would seem like abcRT from Dreamweaver was actually from RT after the merge, that's only a perception issue from a player perspective, not a database issue.
From reading the news article, I believe the merging player ONLY gets a suffix IF there is already a dupe char on the server they're merging with.
So, if Mary from LC merges with Sanct, and there is no other char named Mary, she will be Mary. If there is a Mary on Sanct, Mary from LC will become MaryLC. And like I said, if for some reason MaryLC already existed, the merging char will most likely become MaryLCLC. Ugly yes, annoying yes, but well, at this point it is what it is.

You're incorrect about the deleting character issue. If you delete a character, the name is available again after the 7 day deletion period. The name only becomes permanently unavailable IF you change your name with a name-change stone.

Okay I did not know the name became free again. Thank you for that.

However; If there is both a "abc" and a "abcRT" on dreamweaver. What happens to the "abc" on Raging Tide? Do you really think they will put double RT as surfix. And even so, what happens if that name is also taken? Do they keep on stacking more RT to the name?

For the record, I'm not complaining, just stating the flaws in their design and decision for how to handle the character names.

nakhtuul · July 2015

dblazen1 wrote: »

>people want merge
>know there will be consequences

>people get merge
>complain about those exact consequences

Ah, PWI community, stay classy.

People will complain about the stupidest things.

You give them a slice of cake, they want the entire bakery.

asterelle · July 2015

I think all affected users should get a free identity stone. I'm not sure how double conflicts will be resolved. I'm guessing it will go to MaryLCLC but what if there is a triple conflict and MaryLCLC is taken? Does it go to MaryLCLCLC?

eirghan · July 2015

You know those stories where theres another earth. With another you. And they are your... Idk. Alternate reality twin? Yeah. This will be fun. EirghanLC Im coming for you! Fight to the death!

reliea · July 2015

mikkeline wrote: »

reliea wrote: »

Okay I did not know the name became free again. Thank you for that.

However; If there is both a "abc" and a "abcRT" on dreamweaver. What happens to the "abc" on Raging Tide? Do you really think they will put double RT as surfix. And even so, what happens if that name is also taken? Do they keep on stacking more RT to the name?

For the record, I'm not complaining, just stating the flaws in their design and decision for how to handle the character names.

asterelle wrote: »

I think all affected users should get a free identity stone. I'm not sure how double conflicts will be resolved. I'm guessing it will go to MaryLCLC but what if there is a triple conflict and MaryLCLC is taken? Does it go to MaryLCLCLC?

Yes, I think the suffix will keep being added in the extremely improbable case that a MaryLCLC existed.
Thankfully even if there's a MaryLCLCLCLC (current max character limit of 12) already there can still be a MaryLCLCLCLCLC since the max character limit is increased by 2 (new max character limit of 14).
Remember, we're only considering "LC" a suffix now, before "LC" could just be the way someone chose to end their name for some reason, so technically no one will have a repeated LC suffix exactly, it will just look like it was repeated.

drlovejoy · July 2015

Pwi is not stupid. They know people will hate their names. It's a potential money maker for them. Their not going to give free name change stones.

drlovejoy · July 2015

I think the one who has the account the longest should be void from getting a suffix added.

paralleogram · July 2015

I think it's unfair that the PVP Servers are being penalized 2x by having the suffix and being forced to move to a pve server.

shimarra · July 2015

The server that was opened first, should have priority to names. Others should get free identity stones upon request of a jacked up name.

sylenthunder · July 2015

Basically they are taking the largest servers, and merging the smaller servers into them.
Which makes perfect sense to append the duplicate names of just the smaller server. It makes for a lot less work.

As for the PvP to PvE issue, nothing is stopping you from running around in PK mode all the time. A lot of the same people you battle with will likely make the same choice. Your RPK targets will diminish, but we chose PvE because we don't like being ganked by peons.

zoner112012 · July 2015

sylenthunder wrote: »

Basically they are taking the largest servers, and merging the smaller servers into them.
Which makes perfect sense to append the duplicate names of just the smaller server. It makes for a lot less work.

As for the PvP to PvE issue, nothing is stopping you from running around in PK mode all the time. A lot of the same people you battle with will likely make the same choice. Your RPK targets will diminish, but we chose PvE because we don't like being ganked by peons.

However there are people that strictly chose PVP servers for the chance to pk anyone they choose that leaves SZ. Sure it isn't cool to be pro end game geared and go around killing nab lower level or lesser geared but for some people it was fun. These merges take that away from them. People WILL be upset, some will very likely leave.

eirghan · July 2015

zoner112012 wrote: »

sylenthunder wrote: »

Basically they are taking the largest servers, and merging the smaller servers into them.
Which makes perfect sense to append the duplicate names of just the smaller server. It makes for a lot less work.

As for the PvP to PvE issue, nothing is stopping you from running around in PK mode all the time. A lot of the same people you battle with will likely make the same choice. Your RPK targets will diminish, but we chose PvE because we don't like being ganked by peons.

However there are people that strictly chose PVP servers for the chance to pk anyone they choose that leaves SZ. Sure it isn't cool to be pro end game geared and go around killing nab lower level or lesser geared but for some people it was fun. These merges take that away from them. People WILL be upset, some will very likely leave.

they still can pk anyone they want. The issue is timing.

For example, observe target when white named. Observe closely when in close proximity to edge of sz. Initiate friendly duel with mystic alt. Push out of sz. Attack!

Anyone lacking imagination deserve to stand outside sz with their mouths foaming

Lets face it pvp servers have the exact same problem. Its easy to avoid pk zones in this age of the game with the biggest dailies all in instances easily hopped into by town teleporters.

This will be the least of everyones concern.

shade13 · July 2015

eirghan wrote: »

For example, observe target when white named...

Good joke LOL

nakhtuul · July 2015

eirghan wrote: »

zoner112012 wrote: »

sylenthunder wrote: »

Basically they are taking the largest servers, and merging the smaller servers into them.
Which makes perfect sense to append the duplicate names of just the smaller server. It makes for a lot less work.

As for the PvP to PvE issue, nothing is stopping you from running around in PK mode all the time. A lot of the same people you battle with will likely make the same choice. Your RPK targets will diminish, but we chose PvE because we don't like being ganked by peons.

However there are people that strictly chose PVP servers for the chance to pk anyone they choose that leaves SZ. Sure it isn't cool to be pro end game geared and go around killing nab lower level or lesser geared but for some people it was fun. These merges take that away from them. People WILL be upset, some will very likely leave.

they still can pk anyone they want. The issue is timing.

For example, observe target when white named. Observe closely when in close proximity to edge of sz. Initiate friendly duel with mystic alt. Push out of sz. Attack!

Anyone lacking imagination deserve to stand outside sz with their mouths foaming

Lets face it pvp servers have the exact same problem. Its easy to avoid pk zones in this age of the game with the biggest dailies all in instances easily hopped into by town teleporters.

This will be the least of everyones concern.

I think eirghan just ended the debate about that subject. Kudos!

ovenusarmanio · July 2015

If you have a specific question/issue about Server Merges, please see this thread here. (Name Change stones are being addressed there)
http://perfectworld.vanillaforums.com/discussion/1197811/server-merge-faq/p1

If you want to discuss Server Merges in general, please use this this thread here.

http://perfectworld.vanillaforums.com/discussion/1197683/server-merges/p1

There is no need for so many threads. Thanks!

Names after merge are unfair. One server gets the non suffixed version and the other does.

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