Damascene Ores

_Skai_ - Raging Tide

As long as the faction members striving for something like r8r are loyal and friendly, I'll always be up for helping them out if I don't need mats. Damascenes are really the only exception here.

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

As a side note Valirah's faction is probably the most successful Trial faction on the server and is able to farm more mats than any other faction. They have a good stockpile and Val attributes it to a policy that rewards everyone equally. Most of the people complaining in this thread about the difficulty in farming mats apparently have policies in place that requiring those that do not "need" the mats to take a smaller share than the rest.

Is it really all that surprising that Capitalism is more efficient than Socialism?

U S A!
U S A!
U S A!

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

Is it really all that surprising that Capitalism is more efficient than Socialism?

U S A!
U S A!
U S A!

This is on huge debate. For example look on USA how much debt they have. They pumping money to the economy. USA would already fall if they wouldn't print their own money. This is pure capitalism? Printing money to save economy? I highly doubt. Capitalism need to be reformed, because USA is going down hill rapidly. Capitalism same as socialism has many, many disadvantages.

ZoracGallant - Raging Tide

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

This is on huge debate. For example look on USA how much debt they have. They pumping money to the economy. USA would already fall if they wouldn't print their own money. This is pure capitalism? Printing money to save economy? I highly doubt. Capitalism need to be reformed, because USA is going down hill rapidly. Capitalism same as socialism has many, many disadvantages.

Problem with you looking at the current situation is that Obama wants to end Capitalism in the USA since he is a self proclaimed socialist. All his policies while in office have been to do this and we keep going downhill faster because he is forcing socialism on the country. Obama's "Dream" or "Goal" as he states in his autobiography is to "...end America's status as a super power..."

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

ZoracGallant - Raging Tide wrote: »

Problem with you looking at the current situation is that Obama wants to end Capitalism in the USA since he is a self proclaimed socialist. All his policies while in office have been to do this and we keep going downhill faster because he is forcing socialism on the country. Obama's "Dream" or "Goal" as he states in his autobiography is to "...end America's status as a super power..."

Usa had many problems before Obama. Is not just Obama to blame. From Reagan USA is going downhill.

Jaabg - Sanctuary

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

This is on huge debate. For example look on USA how much debt they have. They pumping money to the economy. USA would already fall if they wouldn't print their own money. This is pure capitalism? Printing money to save economy? I highly doubt. Capitalism need to be reformed, because USA is going down hill rapidly. Capitalism same as socialism has many, many disadvantages.

Wow, thread got derailed there. Just a quick note, capitalism, socilaism, free market, controlled market, all fun and interesting, have little application in how things run. Real systems are complex, following all rules in one segment, and none in others and yet still working in a mish mash. No country is either captialist, or socialist, just degrees of one or the other, with streaks of everything.

In the end, all systems are flawed as you can see around you b:thanks. *waits for further derailment*

Another question, if someone really really wants something, why should cost be a limiting factor? Sure damascene ores are rare on the market, but if you buy them at 20m from shops, you can still get the recast done. One has to see what benefit they get from waiting, because if you have to wait 1~2 years for things to improve, well, let's just say you were dedicated in what you wanted.

ZoracGallant - Raging Tide

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Usa had many problems before Obama. Is not just Obama to blame. From Reagan USA is going downhill.

I won't agrue that the US didn't have problems before Obama, nor did I state that, I said since Obama has been in office we've gone downhill faster - BECAUSE his personal goal is to end US supremacy. Obama's policy's have only made bad situations worse, just think in 3 years he managed to increase US debt 400% but that's even more off topic.


@Jaabg - Even trying to buy the ores at drasicly inflated prices aren't successful, 1 because of the number needed and 2 because people when they do get them are selling them first to faction members because they are so rare.

I seem to recall a number of pages ago in this thread Skai saying he tried all night to buy in world chat one day and couldn't get any.

But I'm sure in 6-10 months they'll be a new item in the cash shop that you can trade for recast mats, why am I sure, because it will **** up the economy worse than it is and if we can count on PWI to do something it's to **** things up more b:chuckle

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

ZoracGallant - Raging Tide wrote: »

But I'm sure in 6-10 months they'll be a new item in the cash shop that you can trade for recast mats, why am I sure, because it will **** up the economy worse than it is and if we can count on PWI to do something it's to **** things up more b:chuckle

It's already here.
http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/24721
but not in game. 398 tokens for one ore.

Traz - Dreamweaver

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

It's already here.
http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/24721
but not in game. 398 tokens for one ore.

No, it's 398 tokens + a item that comes in pack that would beyond destroy an already crippled market. This has been mentioned about 5 times in the thread and still people are trying to misinform others about it.

_Skai_ - Raging Tide

What Traz said.

And I'm pretty envious of Val's system, to say the least. Also lovely how the thread got derailed to politics so quickly XD.

In the end this whole thread/post was to raise awareness of a mat that's actually quite rare to get, even in a group. Unless of course you have such a reward system setup like Val's faction, which is in the minority of the minority.

But I guess the efforts weren't good enough. I do want to thank everyone who participated in the discussion of this topic on this thread though. It was really great to read, as well as think of alternative solutions that will probably be implemented in the coming years, if this game lasts that long. But we'll see.

Valirah - Sanctuary

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

As a side note Valirah's faction is probably the most successful Trial faction on the server and is able to farm more mats than any other faction. They have a good stockpile and Val attributes it to a policy that rewards everyone equally. Most of the people complaining in this thread about the difficulty in farming mats apparently have policies in place that requiring those that do not "need" the mats to take a smaller share than the rest.

I'd like to point out that our loot distribution is not the only factor in our success. We are lucky to have several dedicated officers who are tasked with organizing runs and getting people motivated. The week before last they pushed us to steamroll our way through Trial 8, Set 3 by Friday night.

Now I'd certainly like to see additional sources of Damascenes, my barb is stuck with +mag, +mag, +evade on his boots (not worth the 60m to reroll), but I won't hold my breath waiting on PWI to fix things. Make the best with what we got.

Traz - Dreamweaver

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

As a side note Valirah's faction is probably the most successful Trial faction on the server and is able to farm more mats than any other faction. They have a good stockpile and Val attributes it to a policy that rewards everyone equally. Most of the people complaining in this thread about the difficulty in farming mats apparently have policies in place that requiring those that do not "need" the mats to take a smaller share than the rest.

Is it really all that surprising that Capitalism is more efficient than Socialism?

U S A!
U S A!
U S A!

I want them to get their fair share, just not from damascene ore. It's to rare to hand out to people that do not need it.

RandomDent - Dreamweaver

Gonna venture a guess that most factions who do trials very much also participate in territory wars.
Considering how utterly useless the -interval stat is in TW, it wouldn't be smart for a TW faction to waste a bunch of Damascenes on armor that's unlikely to even be worn in TW.

I don't see too many complaints from anyone who isn't trying for -interval specifically. I really would rather not have so many Damascenes on the market that anyone with the coin can simply spam reshapes till they can hit 5aps with any build. Oh, wait, I changed my mind, gimme free Damascene I wanna be 5aps seeker!

What I would like to see is the droprates for the 2nd and 3rd round of trials increased. If a faction has the motivation and organization to pass the 1st round of trials, there should be some increase in reward.

_Skai_ - Raging Tide

@Random I never asked for Damascenes to be csable. I just said to make them more available than just in the faction. And even with lots of Damascenes flooding the market, have you not seen the chances to get certain stats on a piece of r8r? Notably the one I've been aiming for, which is -int? To get just one -int on a chest is lower than the chance of getting GoF on G15 Nirvana daggers. And boots are at 0.15%.

But I never got into that because what's the point when the number of attempts are minuscule.

Dylena - Raging Tide

I want to be 5 aps base on my sage sin. b:sad

ZoracGallant - Raging Tide

Dylena - Raging Tide wrote: »

I want to be 5 aps base on my sage sin. b:sad

Use claws b:chuckle


But seriously I would like that too on my sage sin 4 aps base just isn't good enough, but it probably won't happen for me.

_Skai_ - Raging Tide

Then I will have more competitors.

WangZi - Dreamweaver

Just join a faction that does trials a lot, and that sells the mats to faction members who need them. For example, in my faction only I need damascene ores and I've seen them drop in at least 3 trials in the past week (that means 9 damascene ores)

demxhunter

put them in the dragon shop like medals were xD after a while take em out and make a pack that has the chance for damascene, bound or unbound

_Skai_ - Raging Tide

@WangZi You're pretty lucky to be the only one that needs Damascenes.

_Skai_ - Raging Tide

So.. any update on this?

b:avoid

Northern - Dreamweaver

Idk, but obviously as a bm I could just use g12 **** equipts that give int, but if I could manage to get int on my plate.....I could have one set of armor to spend money on refining an geming. As it is bms need a tw set of armor and an int set of armor. Recast would let us draw a line an compromise alittle on one set to both axe an nirvy g15 claws with.

I have managed to try 6 times, but still not one int on plate and so far boots have abunch of mp **** on them.

OH an if they do add that quest into pwi- will it really hurt the economy? Right now I think dreamweaver is buying canny at 250k an raps at 1.25mill. It is already to the point where it is not much worth running outside of 2x unless you use the arcane alt for casters. Seems outside of 2x maybe the main things to log into are events an bh. Farming is really too time intensive for too little reward to bother with or atleast thats how i am finding myself feeling as a few years of farming .

StabbyCakes - Heavens Tear

Join a bigger/better faction that actually saves/distributes the material you need.

No, you can't just *buy* this material. You actually have to do work. Sorry.

I know my faction has a method for its members to earn it, and they do all 3 trials each week, so the guild bank is always accumulating them.

Members with enough activity are able to earn them.

Really that's the only feasible way. The whole guild has to be in on it, the rewards have to be available to faction somehow. Everyone needs to show up when they're supposed to, to get the trials done every week. Otherwise you're just not going to have enough mats to go around. People really don't sell them because the guilds that get them are doing exactly this, or similar.

Or... you could always buy your own lvl 3 faction and its base and solo farm it. b:laugh

LoraTab - Dreamweaver

Well, If they are adding in a 3rd from of rank 9 and/or nirvy, Then I completely supposrt adding the npc to make getting nirvy stuff cheaper an easier, an also the damascene ore.

_Ultima_ - Lothranis

can we have an update from any cm\gm\admin b4 i quit?! b:pleased

_Skai_ - Raging Tide

If they do release 3rd cast Nirvana and 2nd recast R9, then yeah, I would vote for putting in the Aurora Agent NPC with modified rewards.

Or just a NPC to sink coin into to get Damascenes. Similar to how we get Spectral Polish from the Jewelcraftsman to engrave rings.

Hexalot - Dreamweaver

_Skai_ - Raging Tide wrote: »

If they do release 3rd cast Nirvana and 2nd recast R9, then yeah, I would vote for putting in the Aurora Agent NPC with modified rewards.

Or just a NPC to sink coin into to get Damascenes. Similar to how we get Spectral Polish from the Jewelcraftsman to engrave rings.

I can safely say that if they release 3rd cast Nirvana (to be honest no one give's a **** about 2nd recast R9 seeing how 99.9 % of the player base has already ignored 1st cast b:avoid ), that will pretty much be the death knell of R8 recast.

ZoracGallant - Raging Tide

StabbyCakes - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Join a bigger/better faction that actually saves/distributes the material you need.

No, you can't just *buy* this material. You actually have to do work. Sorry.

I know my faction has a method for its members to earn it, and they do all 3 trials each week, so the guild bank is always accumulating them.

Members with enough activity are able to earn them.

Really that's the only feasible way. The whole guild has to be in on it, the rewards have to be available to faction somehow. Everyone needs to show up when they're supposed to, to get the trials done every week. Otherwise you're just not going to have enough mats to go around. People really don't sell them because the guilds that get them are doing exactly this, or similar.

Or... you could always buy your own lvl 3 faction and its base and solo farm it. b:laugh

_Skai_ is a member of the biggest and best faction on RT, we do all the trials every week, but a large number of us need the ores and a large number are needed if you hope (like _Skai_ does) to get the right adds on recast to be 5 aps r9 sin

The problem everyone is having is not in doing the trials or even seeing these drop (as rare as they are) it's that the number of them to the number of people needing them is horribly low and so we're wanting an additional method to acquire them farming (i.e. free) is always preferable but what you can't farm we need a way to buy which exists, but hasn't been added in yet.

_Ultima_ - Lothranis

ZoracGallant - Raging Tide wrote: »

_Skai_ is a member of the biggest and best faction on RT, we do all the trials every week, but a large number of us need the ores and a large number are needed if you hope (like _Skai_ does) to get the right adds on recast to be 5 aps r9 sin

The problem everyone is having is not in doing the trials or even seeing these drop (as rare as they are) it's that the number of them to the number of people needing them is horribly low and so we're wanting an additional method to acquire them farming (i.e. free) is always preferable but what you can't farm we need a way to buy which exists, but hasn't been added in yet.

you are lucky at least you get few damascenes...
in my server actualy there is no faction able to go over trial 3...

my gear is stuck from months, since i cant refine my unreforged recast... i am thinking to quit due to getting bored of waiting any second way to get damas... -.-

_Skai_ - Raging Tide

And what Ultima said is the other main problem. Not every faction can do trials 7-9, which is where Damascenes drop from the bosses (Hapatizones in trials 5-6 if I remember correctly). So even if a faction can do trials, if it can't beat a certain trial, then they can't even start saving ores.

Since I have other goals as well, I have been able to deal with the lack of Damascenes, but once I'm done with those goals, I fear that I will lose a lot of interest if Damascenes aren't given an update by then.

Even with Hapatizones being dropped in only two trials, I have gotten more Hapatizones from the scene-only packs than Damascenes. It's quite clear what the bottleneck in r8r is, and it's Damascenes.


And as I've and Zorac said, even being in a top faction on my server, doing trials daily, we never seem to have enough Damascenes for everyone that needs it.