Damascene Ores

Traz - Dreamweaver

_Skai_ - Raging Tide wrote: »

I've seen people try to sell Damascenes for 30-35m each on my server, and only one or two at that. That's already 100m+ to just reshape once.

So it's definitely cheaper to just reforge from scratch, but even as a cash shopper, 90-100m per reshape is a bit costly.

In comparison, Nirvana weapon reforging is round 7.7m (7 Raptures at 1.1m each) per reforge, and Nirvana armor 570k (2 Cannies at 285k each) per reforge.

Quite the difference in pricing at the moment. I mean, I don't think Raptures ever were 12m each when they came out, or cannies being 48m each. At least they were farmable as a squad instead of a faction.

30-35m o.o'

Been buying them for 15-17m on Dreamweaver. Re-rolled 3 times no luck. 5 down god knows how many more to go.

unceuncerave

sweetandkind wrote: »

My stupid server is like 70% sins and sins are kinda bad in trials so not many do them

Rofl. It's like trying to do RB BH in my server.

!@ LFM FOR BH RB PM Me!

Reply1: sin
Reply 2: 5.0 sin
Reply 3: need a sin?
Reply 4: OMG NO WAI BARB?! joking Im a sin
Reply 5: (an actual class you want)
Reply 6: got room for a sin?
etc etc.

_Skai_ - Raging Tide

Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »

30-35m o.o'

Been buying them for 15-17m on Dreamweaver. Re-rolled 3 times no luck. 5 down god knows how many more to go.

Yeah. I got a PM from a random person asking if I wanted to buy a Damascene, and I said "10m?", and he said "ROFL LOL no 35m". After a bit of explaining, he said "30m?"

-.-

And @Kerona It seems like the main problem is that even if there is a big faction together on a server that farms trials with ease, they -won't- sell it outside of their faction. At least that's how its been on Raging Tides. I spoke to the leaders/directors/marshals of the top factions on Raging Tides about possibly buying some Damascenes from them, and every. single. one. of. them. said that they don't sell outside of the faction.

And the main problem with my current faction is the lack of people getting on anymore. Sure we're dominating as the best TW faction, but from what I've collected, a good 75% of my faction is only on for TW, then they get off.

But that might be because of the next problem I'm addressing, which is time zones.

Then again I'm just complaining and not really proving a point.

This thread will be here just in case someone with a higher voice can let the devs know.


I mean, I'm all for paying 10m per Damascene. Would be nice if anyone actually sold any.

Saethos - Raging Tide

_Skai_ - Raging Tide wrote: »

Yeah. I got a PM from a random person asking if I wanted to buy a Damascene, and I said "10m?", and he said "ROFL LOL no 35m". After a bit of explaining, he said "30m?"

-.-

And @Kerona It seems like the main problem is that even if there is a big faction together on a server that farms trials with ease, they -won't- sell it outside of their faction. At least that's how its been on Raging Tides. I spoke to the leaders/directors/marshals of the top factions on Raging Tides about possibly buying some Damascenes from them, and every. single. one. of. them. said that they don't sell outside of the faction.

And the main problem with my current faction is the lack of people getting on anymore. Sure we're dominating as the best TW faction, but from what I've collected, a good 75% of my faction is only on for TW, then they get off.

But that might be because of the next problem I'm addressing, which is time zones.

Then again I'm just complaining and not really proving a point.

This thread will be here just in case someone with a higher voice can let the devs know.


I mean, I'm all for paying 10m per Damascene. Would be nice if anyone actually sold any.

Pretty much this...My faction has what it takes to get to trial 8 at LEAST, but our attendance sucks until TW comes up...

scarfaceclaw

I have been in top facs on RT. I have done trials once since they were released.

Why only once you ask;

1. No on seems interested in doing it
2. When i did do it, it cost me a repair bill and pots, plus i used some of my precious charm, it took hours and at the end of it, i got nothing.

What's my motivation?

Valirah - Sanctuary

scarfaceclaw wrote: »

I have been in top facs on RT. I have done trials once since they were released.

Why only once you ask;

1. No on seems interested in doing it
2. When i did do it, it cost me a repair bill and pots, plus i used some of my precious charm, it took hours and at the end of it, i got nothing.

What's my motivation?

My guess, you're doing it wrong.


I earn plenty while doing Trials. Last time I ran the numbers, a reward box had an average value of over 1m. In addition, my faction's distribution system doles out 2 credits per 1st set run, 4 per 2nd set, and 6 for a 3rd set run. These credits are worth 300-500k each when selling the acquired mats.

A first set Trial, which takes about an hour to complete, earns the equivalent value of 5-6 Uncanny Crystals on average. This compares favorably to high speed Nirvana runs.

Lolgasmic - Raging Tide

Valirah - Sanctuary wrote: »

My guess, you're doing it wrong.


I earn plenty while doing Trials. Last time I ran the numbers, a reward box had an average value of over 1m. In addition, my faction's distribution system doles out 2 credits per 1st set run, 4 per 2nd set, and 6 for a 3rd set run. These credits are worth 300-500k each when selling the acquired mats.

A first set Trial, which takes about an hour to complete, earns the equivalent value of 5-6 Uncanny Crystals on average. This compares favorably to high speed Nirvana runs.

the mats go to... pay everyone who came...?


*looks at fac leader* i was never even paid for TW, even though i know i could have been paid... didn't want to bring it up, hell TW is fun and i can live without a payment... but b:shutup

Valirah - Sanctuary

Lolgasmic - Raging Tide wrote: »

the mats go to... pay everyone who came...?


*looks at fac leader* i was never even paid for TW, even though i know i could have been paid... didn't want to bring it up, hell TW is fun and i can live without a payment... but b:shutup

Faction drops from bosses and Treasure Chests go to a community pot. One cashes in credits to withdraw from the pot.

If your leader isn't distributing the faction drops to those who attend, no wonder attendance is lacking.

Zarni - Dreamweaver

Valirah - Sanctuary wrote: »

My guess, you're doing it wrong.


I earn plenty while doing Trials. Last time I ran the numbers, a reward box had an average value of over 1m. In addition, my faction's distribution system doles out 2 credits per 1st set run, 4 per 2nd set, and 6 for a 3rd set run. These credits are worth 300-500k each when selling the acquired mats.

A first set Trial, which takes about an hour to complete, earns the equivalent value of 5-6 Uncanny Crystals on average. This compares favorably to high speed Nirvana runs.

That's basically how my faction does it too. Instead of giving credit toward mats we sell mats at about half the going rate to faction members, then divide that coin between everyone who participated based on the number of trials attended. Every 2 weeks mats are made available for sale and pay goes out for the last 2 weeks worth of mats. Most people who come don't have plans to reforge r8 gear, so that helps cover their costs.

We usually only make it through the first set or a little into the 2nd every week, but we have lots of people who just come for tw, and lots in different time zones. We've figured out how to do most trials with 15-20 people at most, with very little charm cost for most people. It amazes me how many people give up after one bad attempt at one trial, but apparently if it's at all challenging then it's "not worth it."

And that jive about sins sucking in trials doesn't fly with me. Sure, a few trials require high AOE DD output, a few..... but they all have bosses with epic huge HP. We failed trial 9 once, because we couldn't find any high aps people willing to come; we had a ton of AOE, cleared the mob wave in plenty of time but couldn't kill the boss in more than 20 minutes (once it killed a few of our harder hitting people and they had to go re-take gods blessing to deal effective damage, costing several minutes; sins and other aps users don't need gods blessing to continue dealing damage).

Trial 1 is easy, can be done by a squad of only sins or even soloed with enough time. Trial 2 can be done by 2-4 people in 2 hours, or 4-8 people in 1 hour (depending on gear). Trial 3 requires about 9-12 people. Trial 4 we've done with as few as 14. With enough patience and the right gear, 5 and 6 could even be soloed, and 7 could be done by one squad. Trial 8 takes at least one decent squad. With the right class balance even trial 9 can be completed with under 20 people.

Saethos - Raging Tide

I've pressured my faction into getting past trial 4 for once, there's a chance we will, but we've never tried trial 4 so we don't know if we even have enough magic DD...

Bellefleurs - Raging Tide

Saethos - Raging Tide wrote: »

I've pressured my faction into getting past trial 4 for once, there's a chance we will, but we've never tried trial 4 so we don't know if we even have enough magic DD...

1 wizzy, 3 seekers. You're good. get a butt ton of aps to kill those totems. if you get the other 3 and leave the phys immune for last. You can take all the time you need if you pwn the first three efficiently. We did it in Vindi with limited activity.

_Skai_ - Raging Tide

I just wish more people got on in my faction. Over the months it has been dwindling.

Neodaystar - Sanctuary

Saethos - Raging Tide wrote: »

I've pressured my faction into getting past trial 4 for once, there's a chance we will, but we've never tried trial 4 so we don't know if we even have enough magic DD...

If you haven't already tried, having archers use STA and bloodvow on those Totems can make a huge difference. And a mystic to place pet defense buffs on the NPC in the middle. From what I've seen done, a squad of 10-15 very well geared chars will have no problem passing this trial. For average geared...15-20 non rank 9 chars is very doable.

Valirah - Sanctuary

Bellefleurs - Raging Tide wrote: »

1 wizzy, 3 seekers. You're good. get a butt ton of aps to kill those totems. if you get the other 3 and leave the phys immune for last. You can take all the time you need if you pwn the first three efficiently. We did it in Vindi with limited activity.

How do you setup? We don't have many seekers so it's our archers who do the brunt. A BoA targeting Coldmist hits all 4 totems.

Saethos - Raging Tide

We ended up not doing trial four QQ

WaffleChan - Sanctuary

lol first world problems..

BladedZero - Sanctuary

I wish I read this beforehand. I just noticed after casting my R8 top that it'd take almost as much coin to reroll it. This is pretty silly how expensive and rare these ores are. Fortunately I got decent adds, but really it shouldn't be this bad.

ZoracGallant - Raging Tide

BladedZero - Sanctuary wrote: »

I wish I read this beforehand. I just noticed after casting my R8 top that it'd take almost as much coin to reroll it. This is pretty silly how expensive and rare these ores are. Fortunately I got decent adds, but really it shouldn't be this bad.

welcome to the Perfect World

Saethos - Raging Tide

I have 2 things I'd like to recast and at this point I'd be willing to pay for it since I still have a good chunk of tax money and I'm kind of a sucker. I sure do hope we get a better way to get these...

WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »

lol first world problems..

Touche

_Skai_ - Raging Tide

At this point getting any good stats on my r8r would be swell, regardless of if I get -int or not. Top and legs have decent enough stats, so all that's left is boots at least.

The lack of Damascenes is strong with this one.

Saethos - Raging Tide

I demand we keep this thread alive Maybe I should r9 my archer and get in a faction for trials...

better yet, why don't I refuse to r9 anything until I can get Damascene Ores?

No wait...

Same price for this

ZoracGallant - Raging Tide

Saethos - Raging Tide wrote: »

I demand we keep this thread alive Maybe I should r9 my archer and get in a faction for trials...

better yet, why don't I refuse to r9 anything until I can get Damascene Ores?

No wait...

Same price for this

rofl you need to change that cat to a pony

Saethos - Raging Tide

ZoracGallant - Raging Tide wrote: »

rofl you need to change that cat to a pony

Couldn't find a good one o.o

_Skai_ - Raging Tide

Looks like my prayers have been answered?

SashaGray - Heavens Tear

Be careful what you wish for

_Skai_ - Raging Tide

Yeah, I'm not too excited for 20k+ token prices due to the rush.

Inflation in all areas will happen.

Saethos - Raging Tide

I heard from someone this would be happening early, so I stocked up early...

Already rerolled 3 things and have more Eyes of Darkness

I had:
http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac335/Squee251/failaxe.jpg

I rerolled:
http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac335/Squee251/newaxe.jpg