Damascene Ores

Traz - Dreamweaver

deadwieght wrote: »

10:1 ratio or 12:1 ratio is a better idea, assuming plat ores sell for 1 mil each. that would put the recast cost on par with the nirvana gear recast costs. thats 30-35 mil plus the other needed mats and cost per recast. that seems fair to me.

500-750k each on dreamweaver. Who would have thought re-rolling would cost 5x the amount making the item would.

SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I know the mats are bound after you open them.

Unless you are going to show me a SS of a picked up boss drop that is untradable or a faction chest item pack that says it will disappear, I find your offer of proof dubious.

This is what you're talking about
This is what we are talking about
Obviously the damascene itself is bound

From what I gather the boss drops are tradable along with what you can get from your chests that you get at the end of each trial. The expired ones are from the faction treasure chest quest that you get 6 at one time. The problem is pwdatabase doesn't show the bound stuff that shows in the tool tips. I am not sure which item ID of damascene ore pack is the tradable one and which isn't so I can't follow the quest links to the pack to find out.

Traz - Dreamweaver

Double posted by accident. Can admin / mod delete. I've been trying to delete this post but it wont work. b:surrender

gyroki

Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Once people get the items they need, they stop doing trials so that curves the market for a major lack of supply with huge demand.

People also stop doing trials because its not worth to do. Memorial coins are worthless because of the disproportional distribution of r8 recast mats u can ge by arcanum treasure. Most people dont want to join regular trials when they already have well refined gear and cant make any profit out of it.

G_tar_God - Dreamweaver

I run trials with my faction, so I've seen the drop rates and how many ppl need the Damascenes and how many more would go for r8 recast if the Damascenes we more obtainable.
On Dreamweaver ppl who do buy Damascenes attempt to buy em for around 8-10mill each, but they'll barely ever get it cos the factions who can do the trials that drop the Damascenes, distribute em within the faction.

I'd say the most simple solution is to make it so the Trial quest reward chest has a % chance to drop 3x Damascene ores. Butta bing butta boom! problem solved xD

Traz - Dreamweaver

G_tar_God - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I run trials with my faction, so I've seen the drop rates and how many ppl need the Damascenes and how many more would go for r8 recast if the Damascenes we more obtainable.
On Dreamweaver ppl who do buy Damascenes attempt to buy em for around 8-10mill each, but they'll barely ever get it cos the factions who can do the trials that drop the Damascenes, distribute em within the faction.

I'd say the most simple solution is to make it so the Trial quest reward chest has a % chance to drop 3x Damascene ores. Butta bing butta boom! problem solved xD

Stop making sense before I unleash my armor of frogs on you! But really they will never do something that makes that much sense.

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »

500-750k each on dreamweaver. Who would have thought re-rolling would cost 5x the amount making the item would.



This is what you're talking about
This is what we are talking about
Obviously the damascene itself is bound

From what I gather the boss drops are tradable along with what you can get from your chests that you get at the end of each trial. The expired ones are from the faction treasure chest quest that you get 6 at one time. The problem is pwdatabase doesn't show the bound stuff that shows in the tool tips. I am not sure which item ID of damascene ore pack is the tradable one and which isn't so I can't follow the quest links to the pack to find out.

The IDs of items in the encyclopedia are always in numerical order. Smaller IDs are first. This is why the new stuff is always at the end.
Or you could start up PWI in debug mode and type "d_showid" in the console.

Traz - Dreamweaver

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

The IDs of items in the encyclopedia are always in numerical order. Smaller IDs are first. This is why the new stuff is always at the end.
Or you could start up PWI in debug mode and type "d_showid" in the console.

So my initial observation was 100% correct. The only mass way to get damascene ore are the expired ones. There just isn't enough supply so meh I might start to analyze cost and time of re-rolling vs making more plates.

Neodaystar - Sanctuary

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

Looking at pwdb you should always get 3 Damascenes from each of the trial 5,6, and 7 bosses and there are 8 faction treasure chests to dig for a total of about 14 damascenes per full set 1-9.

That means 4-5 people are going to be able to do 1 reroll per week per full set of trials. There are probably like 6 factions on your server capable of a full trial run so that makes 30 rerolls per week per server.

I don't think it is 8 chests in all. For a full set of trials (1-9) there is a total of 7 Faction Treasure chests to dig. Trial 9 has 2 chests, trial 4-8 has 1 chest each. The chests are not guaranteed to give Damascene ores. Based on the mat records of several factions, it is possible not to get any Damascene ores from the chest per set of 9 trials. However, the bosses in Trials 5, 6, and 7 will always drop 3 Damascene ores. So for a full set of trials 1-9, the least is 9 Damascene ores.

Well, thanks to the OP of this thread, and if any GMs are reading this and relaying it to the Devs, get ready for tokens to sore in prices in a future update because of this Damascene shortage issue. b:shutup

Currently there is a way to exchange tokens and a certain mat for damascene ores for around 400-500 tokens. But that isn't the reason why the tokens will raise, it's the npc and the mannor in which you get 'that item' that will increase token prices. All they have to do is place that npc in game.

G_tar_God - Dreamweaver

Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Stop making sense before I unleash my armor of frogs on you! But really they will never do something that makes that much sense.

QQ why do ppl hate on my logic, i eiss wise, i swear! b:cry

*hides* b:surrender

Kawaiiiii - Raging Tide

This is something your faction helps you out with.
I dont know how vicious operates on trials but leviathan distributes boss mats (Damascene, platinum, Oracilium ores) To regular trial attenders.

Traz - Dreamweaver

Kawaiiiii - Raging Tide wrote: »

This is something your faction helps you out with.
I dont know how vicious operates on trials but leviathan distributes boss mats (Damascene, platinum, Oracilium ores) To regular trial attenders.

Your first statement is a complete fallacy because it's structured as if every faction on this game can help you with faction base trails. We all know that's not the reality.

SashaGray - Heavens Tear

Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »

500-750k each on dreamweaver. Who would have thought re-rolling would cost 5x the amount making the item would.



This is what you're talking about
This is what we are talking about
Obviously the damascene itself is bound

From what I gather the boss drops are tradable along with what you can get from your chests that you get at the end of each trial. The expired ones are from the faction treasure chest quest that you get 6 at one time. The problem is pwdatabase doesn't show the bound stuff that shows in the tool tips. I am not sure which item ID of damascene ore pack is the tradable one and which isn't so I can't follow the quest links to the pack to find out.

Im guessing that since you started your paragraph with "from what i gather" you are operating on assumptions and heresay. the auroura rock egg, which is the 6x damascene ore pack from the faction chest does not disappear when leaving the instace, the ore packs that come out of it do not disappear when leaving the instance, and are not character bound. i have first hand experience of this. you produced a screen shot of the encyclopedia. unless someone produces a ss of the actual item in inventory, i would say anyone saying they got character bound damascene packs is full of ****, like the elusive gold nirvana chest p.stones.

_Perses_ - Lost City

All I want is the damascene ores in a good big pack in the boutique Q.Q


Make it Damascene Ore Pack x100 for 50 gold!! (Chance of getting 1, 10, 15 damascene ores from it)

Traz - Dreamweaver

SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Im guessing that since you started your paragraph with "from what i gather" you are operating on assumptions and heresay. the auroura rock egg, which is the 6x damascene ore pack from the faction chest does not disappear when leaving the instace, the ore packs that come out of it do not disappear when leaving the instance, and are not character bound. i have first hand experience of this. you produced a screen shot of the encyclopedia. unless someone produces a ss of the actual item in inventory, i would say anyone saying they got character bound damascene packs is full of ****, like the elusive gold nirvana chest p.stones.

I've never dealt with the packs first hand, so there is no other way I can address that post other then the hypothetical state. I'm not working on here-say. I have looked it up in the encyclapedia and traced it through the pwdatabase. The pwdatabase shows that the 6 packs that you get from the auroura rock egg are the second type (expire) along with the aurora rock egg (expire).

The question I have for you is did you ever have the Aurora Rock Egg or the 6 Damascene Packs outside the base before they were opened? Every source I have looked up says on the tool tip that the rock egg and the packs expire when you leave the faction base or log off the game. Did you ever look at the aurora rock egg or the 6 packs to see if they say they expire?

Kawaiiiii - Raging Tide

Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Your first statement is a complete fallacy because it's structured as if every faction on this game can help you with faction base trails. We all know that's not the reality.

Any decent faction should have a system to help out members b:bye

Traz - Dreamweaver

Kawaiiiii - Raging Tide wrote: »

Any decent faction should have a system to help out members b:bye

A system to help out members doesn't mean every faction has 500m to get a faction base and the accounts to do it. b:bye

Xainou - Sanctuary

Kawaiiiii - Raging Tide wrote: »

Any decent faction should have a system to help out members b:bye

That depends what you define as 'decent'. For me a decent faction can also be a group of 10 active members. Does that faction run trials and farm high level stuff? Most likely not. But they will help out each other if they need help.

SashaGray - Heavens Tear

I got the rock egg inside the instance opened it outside. the ores didnt say anything about expring when leaving the area, which i would assume they would say if they were an item that would expire if opened in base, and would keep the tooltip even if glitched, which i dont think is the case.

i traded the egg and opened it outside the base on a bank alt.

i dont think that the place where you open the egg would change the item that comes out, because thats just not how pwi works.

i still suspect the person saying that they got character bound damascene is scamming ther faction to get 60m-150m worth of mats depending on server. the higher the pricetag, the bigger the motivation to steal.

Traz - Dreamweaver

SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I got the rock egg inside the instance opened it outside. the ores didnt say anything about expring when leaving the area, which i would assume they would say if they were an item that would expire if opened in base, and would keep the tooltip even if glitched, which i dont think is the case.

i traded the egg and opened it outside the base on a bank alt.

i dont think that the place where you open the egg would change the item that comes out, because thats just not how pwi works.

i still suspect the person saying that they got character bound damascene is scamming ther faction to get 60m-150m worth of mats depending on server. the higher the pricetag, the bigger the motivation to steal.

You still don't get it, no one has said a word to me. There is only one rock egg in the DB unlike the damascene ore... and the rock egg says it's

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/8601/aurorarockegg.png

I have no idea how you got it outside of the instance. It's obviously not working like it should. That's the only aurora rock egg in existence and it states it's suppose to expire when you leave the area and it is suppose to give the second type of damascene ore pack that also expires when leaving the area..... sooooooo I have no idea at this point.

b:surrender

Salari - Raging Tide

Only thing that suprises me is that these are not on the cs yet b:chuckle

Oh Skai if I had known you needed these, I had 2 I would have given you, but I gave them away to another friend b:surrender

SashaGray - Heavens Tear

the database is wrong. people have been saying in this thread that other people in their faction have gotten this egg and couldnt trade the mats.

if someone in your faction gets the rock egg ask for a SS.

remember when the database was just put into the game, and the r9 bow had +80 attack levels and GoF?

the database isnt always right, my experience with the rock eggs shows that this is one of the instances where it is wrong. unless my experience was a fluke, which unless there is actual, in-game ingame evidence, i dont believe that it was a fluke.

This is a place where difference between what the database says and what actually happens creates an opportunity for fraud.

Traz - Dreamweaver

SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »

the database is wrong. people have been saying in this thread that other people in their faction have gotten this egg and couldnt trade the mats.

if someone in your faction gets the rock egg ask for a SS.

remember when the database was just put into the game, and the r9 bow had +80 attack levels and GoF?

the database isnt always right, my experience with the rock eggs shows that this is one of the instances where it is wrong. unless my experience was a fluke, which unless there is actual, in-game ingame evidence, i dont believe that it was a fluke.

This is a place where difference between what the database says and what actually happens creates an opportunity for fraud.

It's simple, get another one and take a SS. So far the 4 people I've talked to in regenesis (largest faction and my ex faction) have said they do expire. I don't believe any of them have purposely tried to lose a mat with 15m by leaving the area just to see.... but they say that the tool tip states they expire when leaving (packs from the aurora rock egg).... take that as you want I guess. I'll talk to the banker for the mats soon as she comes back from AFK.

Northern - Dreamweaver

My faction on dreamweaver pretty much always does trials 1-9 an then 1-4,5 or so and I can tell you for sure that our faction will not sell you damascene ore unless you are helping do the trials and even then there is not enough to reroll even once a week for everyone who has multiple recast pieces. So essentially, you must farm the nine trials daily for a chance to buy the damascene and even that is not garunteed due to the number of people who have recast 8.

With the coin cost an the cost of the other matts, damascene ore should probably just be sold from an npc for 1 mill each....Would be a great coin sink. I think that would put weapon rerolls close to 6-7 mill and make it attainable for the majority of the players who play atleast an hour or two a day.

Playing more then an hour or maybe two per day is unreasonable for the average working responsible adult with a family an job in north america.

Oh an yeah the pack of six says itll expire, but if opened it produces 6 that are in individual packs and those 6 individual packs don't expire and I'm pretty sure they are not bound.

Sagek - Sanctuary

Northern - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Playing more then an hour or maybe two per day is unreasonable for the average working responsible adult with a family an job in north america.

b:chuckle

_Skai_ - Raging Tide

@SashaGray I have firsthand dealt with these materials. Both Damascene scene-only ore packs and Hapatizon scene-only ore packs. When I get them next time I'll gladly take a screenshot of it. I would never go by assumption of items without actually experiencing them.

They act the same way as these ores, but are Damascene. What Traz screenshotted in the encyclopedia is exactly what I was talking about. Those ores disappear when you leave the faction base, or log out, but are tradable. They just can't leave the base or -poof- they're gone. That means the only option would be to open them, which binds them to a character.

Olbaze - Sanctuary

Bellefleurs - Raging Tide wrote: »

which bounds them to a character.

ALALALALALALALA!

Either "binds them" or "causes them to be bound".

_Skai_ - Raging Tide

@Olbaze I was just about to edit that part b:surrender

Bellefleurs - Raging Tide

Wait Wth. How'd you quote me saying that? O.o

Flamespirit - Dreamweaver

Bottom line is that the other matts are farmable faster, and damscene ore happens to be too rare and it is so much so that it makes me feel defeated before even trying an therefore **** doing trials an going recast route all together

Nymphali - Dreamweaver

Agreed, Recast R8 can't be as expensive as recasting to re-roll stats.

Most people get Magic adds in Assassin boots, or strength/physical attack in caster's gear. Get that sheet fixed b:angry