105 FC Glitchers will never be banned...

MiniST - Sanctuary

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

You guys really must not have alot of pple on that server... b:surrender but then again... DW did start of its history with who has the richest wallet race so im not surprised with your mindset. Its a bit diff. on the older servers >.> not entirely but enough.

i think you misread my post. i didnt ask 'why do pple spend', which i think fits in better with the answer you stated.

miniST you barely even play the game now....

why do i have to play the game to understand basic economics?b:shocked Maybe my definition of merchant is different from your. If u spend a somewhat significant amount to a buttload of money charging zen, no matter how much u merchant, i call those ppl cashshopper b:victory they are excluded from who i call merchants at least in this game.

Yuna_Sama - Heavens Tear

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

altho the question and answer are still not meshing well ty for taking the time lol

"Their inability or unwillingness to enforce their rules shows that the players (player's credit cards) are the ones in charge, not the management."

You're question also seems to be a bit irrelivant to this statement since we're talking about game management and rules and you talk about merchants and spending in-game wich has nothing to do with the game management or rules nor does it have any influence on that...

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

Divine_Death - Harshlands wrote: »

Funny, I just read that thread. I still don't get what you've been trying to say for the past page tho.

Yuna_Sama - Heavens Tear wrote: »

"Their inability or unwillingness to enforce their rules shows that the players (player's credit cards) are the ones in charge, not the management."

You're question also seems to be a bit irrelivant to this statement since we're talking about game management and rules and you talk about merchants and spending in-game wich has nothing to do with the game management or rules nor does it have any influence on that...

mm well, i think traz understood what i was saying, tho to him (or his server) anything other than CC'ers who spend alot of money are mystical beings >.> (0.05%)

MiniST - Sanctuary wrote: »

why do i have to play the game to understand basic economics?b:shocked

Because after 3 years even the former cash shoppers learn to merchant and the ratio of CC to nonCC do shift from time to time. You dont play the game, nor do you merchant so your are also less aware of the talk of pple converting, nor the amount of increased competition as a shop.

Yuna_Sama - Heavens Tear

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

mm well, i think traz understood what i was saying, tho to him (or his server) anything other than CC'ers who spend alot of money are mystical beings >.> (0.05%)

Well I kinda understand what you where saying but I don't see how in-game merchanting is related to rules and TOS violation... I didn't attack the cash shoppers or annything... I was just adding a little detail to a statement... PW most likely won't enforce their rules because the don't wanna lose some of their income... Income to the companny that is... Not whatever get's into the game...

MiniST - Sanctuary

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

mm well, i think traz understood what i was saying, tho to him (or his server) anything other than CC'ers who spend alot of money are mystical beings >.> (0.05%)

Because after 3 years even the former cash shoppers learn to merchant and the ratio of CC to nonCC do shift from time to time. You dont play the game, nor do you merchant so your are also less aware of the talk of pple converting, nor the amount of increased competition as a shop.

What is CC? u mean CS? And how do u convert from CS to nonCS. Just because u stopped charging money doesn't mean u aren't a cashshopper... btw, if i don't play the game, why am i here b:chuckle I don't lurk forums i have no connection to. And I've merchanted more than most ppl on the server despite being away from game for almost 2 years. And yes, there are more people competing as a shops, but the competition has never increased. It's always been ppl trying to low ball each other all the time and it still is.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

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.........you dont know what CC...
.......why are you even posting if you have not made the connection between CC and CS and ... /facepalm

MiniST - Sanctuary

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

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.........you dont know what CC...
.......why are you even posting if you have not made the connection between CC and CS and ... /facepalm

facepalm my ***. If u mean credit card? what the hell is a credit carder? There is a credit card holder. Credit Card User. Never heard or seen a person called a credit carder. b:chuckle

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

MiniST - Sanctuary wrote: »

facepalm my ***. If u mean credit card? what the hell is a credit carder? There is a credit card holder. Credit Card User. Never heard or seen a person called a credit carder. b:chuckle

.....you never abbreviated things in your life?

MiniST - Sanctuary

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

.....you never abbreviated things in your life?

u pick on the little things i said, i pick on the little things u said. fair game
btw, how have i never abbreviated things in my life... look up...

Yuna_Sama - Heavens Tear

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

.....you never abbreviated things in your life?

It's not just her... I also thought your where talking about "CS"... The term "CC" you use isn't being used much on the forums as far as I know... Maybe it's just a Sanctuary thing...

Annyway try to be a little less grumpy... You'll only manage to pick fights like that... And not everyone here likes to see topics filled with mindless posts where ppl try to insult eachother for having diffirent opinions...

Annyway... I'm off to bed... This is getting too confusing for me and I already know now how this topic will end up... Nighty~!

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

MiniST - Sanctuary wrote: »

u pick on the little things i said, i pick on the little things u said. fair game
btw, how have i never abbreviated things in my life... look up...

i never touched your post to begin with.

MiniST - Sanctuary

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

i never touched your post to begin with.

I don't even know how to respond to this, but I have to since I'm confused. I quoted your post. You responded. You quoted my post. And I responded. I don't know what else I can do in a forum.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

MiniST - Sanctuary wrote: »

I don't even know how to respond to this, but I have to since I'm confused. I quoted your post. You responded. You quoted my post. And I responded. I don't know what else I can do in a forum.

b:laughb:laughb:laugh ill leave you alone cause your so cute.

MiniST - Sanctuary

sarcasm doesn't really carry with typed words... maybe it's a good thing b:avoid

Mraochan - Lost City

Sweet I charged more than $500 bring back the goons xp! b:chuckle

Tolliver - Dreamweaver

This

TheFire - Lost City

why is this still open? lmaob:laugh

nakhtuul

Tolliver - Dreamweaver wrote: »

This

bwahahahahaha

too freakin' funny man.

Yuna_Sama - Heavens Tear

Tolliver - Dreamweaver wrote: »

This

Nah... Banhamer is so permanent... I vote for having all the glitchers round up somewhere and have ppl throw tomatoes at them... b:chuckle

I kinda agree with not punishing the glitchers too hard though... GM's where clearly aware of the glitch and yet it took them so long to do something about it... Although they actualy had to wait for the China department... Besides when they mess up in our disadvantage we also have to bear with it for months (remember the PK thing in SP?)... So it's kinda fair... As a non-glitcher I'm not realy bothered by glitchers... So I'd say give them a minor punishment (maybe drop their lvles back a little) and let them go free... b:victory

Tsukyini - Raging Tide

Yuna_Sama - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I kinda agree with not punishing the glitchers too hard though... GM's where clearly aware of the glitch and yet it took them so long to do something about it... Although they actualy had to wait for the China department...

So, once upon a time, in the 11th installment of a fantasy that is not final, there was this really cool place called Salvage, and in this place, players could obtain really awesome gear. The problem was, the drop rates were terribad beyond belief. One day, some players figured out a way to make is so that when items did finally drop, they could obtain three times the intended amount. This method was kept super secret for a long time (like over a year) during which the "elite" players who knew about it got all sorts of nice shiny gear.

Then, somehow, this glitch also turned out to be able to be performed in other areas of the game, allowing for the duplication of money drops. This finally got the attention of the Enix that is Square, and at the end of 2008 they performed an emergency maintenance to fix the glitch.

Massive outrage ensued once the glitch became public, with those who knew about and benefited from it claiming that they were right to keep it a secret, and that those who "deserved" to benefit from it were the ones who knew about it. The result was, of course, a nice entertaining flame war on the forum of the gartr that is blue, with people claiming that the Enix that is Square would never ban these players, as that would cause them to lose the "best" players in the game.

Then came the fateful day of Jan 22, 2009. The Enix that is Square dropped the banhammer with a vengeance, smiting the smug expressions of the players who believed themselves to be above the rules. The message was clear: the Enix is in charge, not the players.


TL;DR: PWE could learn a lot about proper use of the banhammer from the Enix that is Square.

_Ghoul_ - Lost City

not all cash shopper support goon glitch behaivor i do not and i bought four r9 pieces and have them all +10 so i think ppl can call me a cash shopper.

and i am a darn proud one as i do not wish to waste my time with claw just to farm.

or anything with claw o fist ewww.

so no and do stop thinking every cash shopper support this gooon glitch behavior.

waiting a lil bit for when r9 axe is a bit cheaper then it is currently to get it and all does not wish to put that kinda amount for a singel pixel item tho i want it drools.

_Ghoul_ - Lost City

Tsukyini - Raging Tide wrote: »

So, once upon a time, in the 11th installment of a fantasy that is not final, there was this really cool place called Salvage, and in this place, players could obtain really awesome gear. The problem was, the drop rates were terribad beyond belief. One day, some players figured out a way to make is so that when items did finally drop, they could obtain three times the intended amount. This method was kept super secret for a long time (like over a year) during which the "elite" players who knew about it got all sorts of nice shiny gear.

Then, somehow, this glitch also turned out to be able to be performed in other areas of the game, allowing for the duplication of money drops. This finally got the attention of the Enix that is Square, and at the end of 2008 they performed an emergency maintenance to fix the glitch.

Massive outrage ensued once the glitch became public, with those who knew about and benefited from it claiming that they were right to keep it a secret, and that those who "deserved" to benefit from it were the ones who knew about it. The result was, of course, a nice entertaining flame war on the forum of the gartr that is blue, with people claiming that the Enix that is Square would never ban these players, as that would cause them to lose the "best" players in the game.

Then came the fateful day of Jan 22, 2009. The Enix that is Square dropped the banhammer with a vengeance, smiting the smug expressions of the players who believed themselves to be above the rules. The message was clear: the Enix is in charge, not the players.


TL;DR: PWE could learn a lot about proper use of the banhammer from the Enix that is Square.

so you belive this will happen in pwi.

i knew that game is still alive and kicking so even if the best cash shopper where to be lost the game
still need to show who is boss.

cant wait for it to happen i even might stay a bit longer and cash shop more if it did HELL YEAH

Tsukyini - Raging Tide

_Ghoul_ - Lost City wrote: »

so you belive this will happen in pwi.

i knew that game is still alive and kicking so even if the best cash shopper where to be lost the game
still need to show who is boss.

cant wait for it to happen i even might stay a bit longer and cash shop more if it did HELL YEAH

Sadly, I don't think it will happen, because PWE's management doesn't appear to have much backbone when it comes to enforcing their rules.

Leviath_Imp - Lost City

IJS,
Once the bans go out,
Theres gonna be a lot of lawsuits. People spend 2k USD+ on this game.
I just say stop complaining about it, if ur pro u don't need stealth to win, and you
don't die to glitched 105'ers either.
I guess just suck it up and stop giving the GM's a hard time.
P.S. Im 101, I don't glitch.

Tsukyini - Raging Tide

Leviath_Imp - Lost City wrote: »

IJS,
Once the bans go out,
Theres gonna be a lot of lawsuits. People spend 2k USD+ on this game.
I just say stop complaining about it, if ur pro u don't need stealth to win, and you
don't die to glitched 105'ers either.
I guess just suck it up and stop giving the GM's a hard time.
P.S. Im 101, I don't glitch.

Good luck winning a lawsuit on that. If you willingly and knowingly break the rules you deserve to be punished. There's no clause in the terms of service stating that if you pay X amount of USD you are exempt from the rules. b:chuckle

Leviath_Imp - Lost City

Mmm the jury's would disagree.
Wishess spend 50k+ on this game. U think the jury's gonna say let it go
because some programmers were too slow on stopping a glitch and rob
this guy of 50k USD. Mmmmm... im pretty sure people in the right mind would
put PWI out of business.
I doubt the bans will be big, all the active and faithful players are 105 so if they ban,
this game will bite the dust. If u all just stop QQing, maybe you can keep this game
alive.

Tsukyini - Raging Tide

Leviath_Imp - Lost City wrote: »

Mmm the jury's would disagree.
Wishess spend 50k+ on this game. U think the jury's gonna say let it go
because some programmers were too slow on stopping a glitch and rob
this guy of 50k USD.

Please do show me someone who actually paid 50k USD on this game. I could use a good laugh. b:cute

Leviath_Imp - Lost City

Tsukyini - Raging Tide wrote: »

Please do show me someone who actually paid 50k USD on this game. I could use a good laugh. b:cute

Wishess

MelonsOfDoom - Lost City

frankieraye wrote: »

The worst offenders will be banned in the near future. The list is made up of cash shoppers and non-cash shoppers. We won't be able to disclose the names of those banned, but we will let you know when it happens.

cant wait see them actually ban people be funny watch half people on the server go byebye b:bye

krisnda

MelonsOfDoom - Lost City wrote: »

cant wait see them actually ban people be funny watch half people on the server go byebye b:bye

Is that really a bad thing, there's still people playing/CS'ing right?