105 FC Glitchers will never be banned...
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Lulz Why don't people just man up and stop Q.Qing about it.
GM's already got sht on their minds to make the game better,
like new skills and stuff lulz.
Stop being babies and just play the game rofl0 -
MelonsOfDoom - Lost City wrote: »cant wait see them actually ban people be funny watch half people on the server go byebye b:bye
Will sure get lonely on here... Lag will be gone though... 65% of the population on my server has glitched so... b:chuckle
@Krisnda: I don't CS... b:bye
Edit: For once I have to agree with Leviath... It may sound a little harsh but it's just how it is...[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Most ppl, even main addicted, never look into forum. Even i couldnt find the statement of frankie that its not allowed to do it (i asked once community for a link but no1 answered me). TBH to me the 3rd boss glitch looked like a summer event as gv glitch b:laugh
I seriously had the feeling that they want to motivate ppl playing this game during summer time this way. C'mon... the more u hit a boss (the more money u spent on weapon), the more mobs spawn... (and u could only stay alive with hp charms and/or very well refined gear --> u spent alot of money). This rly didnt look like a bug, it looked like an unannounced event. There even was the rumor that they changed frost cz u need lvl 105 for r10 which will be released in near future.
When something is bannable or not allowed they tell it at start screen normally (they changed e.g. the comment about pvp in sp several times). Or they should make at least a sticky thread about it.
And dont tell me "hey, its said in general in the terms of conditions". Cz there is NOT a single person with 100+ char in game who followed all the rules. Cz its common in a game to do what the others do. Or was every1 of u never in a squad for BH3-3 who did it with door glitch? Or was every1 of u never in squad for BH ws who glitched snake? Most of the ppl just call it a "trick". Just read in this thread how casters r making excuses regarding caster glitch. Ofc they benefit ALOT of doing it. And OFC they wont admit it.
I'm level 100 and I've never glitched (to my knowledge) I didn't even know about them lol. So you stand corrected
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Ban The Gooners
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I Miss the old days of PWIb:surrender0 -
Leviath_Imp - Lost City wrote: »IJS,
Once the bans go out,
Theres gonna be a lot of lawsuits. People spend 2k USD+ on this game.
I just say stop complaining about it, if ur pro u don't need stealth to win, and you
don't die to glitched 105'ers either.
I guess just suck it up and stop giving the GM's a hard time.
P.S. Im 101, I don't glitch.Leviath_Imp - Lost City wrote: »Mmm the jury's would disagree.
Wishess spend 50k+ on this game. U think the jury's gonna say let it go
because some programmers were too slow on stopping a glitch and rob
this guy of 50k USD. Mmmmm... im pretty sure people in the right mind would
put PWI out of business.
I doubt the bans will be big, all the active and faithful players are 105 so if they ban,
this game will bite the dust. If u all just stop QQing, maybe you can keep this game
alive.
For your own sake I hope you are only 10. The amount of stupidity in these posts are so staggering that one can't begin to address them.Leviath_Imp - Lost City wrote: »Lulz Why don't people just man up and stop Q.Qing about it.
GM's already got sht on their minds to make the game better,
like new skills and stuff lulz.
Stop being babies and just play the game rofl0 -
Leviath_Imp - Lost City wrote: »Mmm the jury's would disagree.
Wishess spend 50k+ on this game. U think the jury's gonna say let it go
because some programmers were too slow on stopping a glitch and rob
this guy of 50k USD. Mmmmm... im pretty sure people in the right mind would
put PWI out of business.
I doubt the bans will be big, all the active and faithful players are 105 so if they ban,
this game will bite the dust. If u all just stop QQing, maybe you can keep this game
alive.
What jury would actually side with the person who willingly spent 50k+ on a (dying) online game?
If I was on that jury I'd tell the person to quit whining that he got caught cheating on something he used way to much cash on. The devs may not have been able to really fix it, but that doesnt mean players had to partake.
The game is already biting the dust, fly around the map and see how many players actually questing or Pvping outside of SP/West, then compare that to 2-3+ years ago.
People need to get Perma-banned for dat **** >.>I
A lot of people0 -
Lulz im talking about people I hate ingame...
That guy is in a kos guild im using logic rofl
and side note: im 12 yr old not 100 -
Leviath_Imp - Lost City wrote: »Lulz im talking about people I hate ingame...
That guy is in a kos guild im using logic rofl
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Clearly you didn't read the terms of service..I'm a guy, not a woman, that is all
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Psytrac - Dreamweaver wrote: »Clearly you didn't read the terms of service..
Someone call his mommy and tell her that her little boy is abusing her credit card and internets.101 Sage Sin*/Archer
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Leviath_Imp - Lost City wrote: »and side note: im 12 yr old not 10
Well, I was close enough.0 -
Actually if you read the TOS they can ban you for just about anything. I think the true discussion should be about where do you draw the line on the bans. Do you only ban those that glitched to 105? Do you use some type of xp gained scale? They are talking about opening a very large can of worms when you think about it.
Novel idea:
Spend less time QQing about everyone else on the forums and try logging into the game and gaining XP.0 -
Is that really a bad thing, there's still people playing/CS'ing right?
seriously im looking forward to it id name names but i know half ones im waiting see go cuz i know they abused the glitch and if they dont get banned then i know it will be nothing but talk from frankie and the gms0 -
Yes they can ban you for anything, it says that in more words in the ToS.
I guess the only fair thing to do would be accumulate the total xp gained from goons and then roll you back that much. Contrary to what a lot of people think it wouldn't be that hard to do, it's a computer program after all not a miracle.
The question is exactly what data is saved on the servers and for how long. After that it's as simple as writing a script to crawl thru accounts starting at 105 and working down. There are a few problems with this, the most obvious being it would potentially affect their income negatively. I have my doubts to that, as there are games that have banned glitch exploiters before that are still running to this day and making plenty of money.
No doubt the data is deleted at some time and after that's there's no hope of fair justice. As many have pointed out before, saying you'll punish someone for breaking the rules and not doing anything about it does not set a good precedent. After all more people will exploit the next glitch and you know there's bound to be one. b:chuckle0 -
another thing is IS that exp saved to the servers? the biggest issue i think is proving that someone used goons. i highly doubt it tells u what mobs were killed to receive wich experience in the game.MomoYukino - Lost City wrote: »Yes they can ban you for anything, it says that in more words in the ToS.
I guess the only fair thing to do would be accumulate the total xp gained from goons and then roll you back that much. Contrary to what a lot of people think it wouldn't be that hard to do, it's a computer program after all not a miracle.
The question is exactly what data is saved on the servers and for how long. After that it's as simple as writing a script to crawl thru accounts starting at 105 and working down. There are a few problems with this, the most obvious being it would potentially affect their income negatively. I have my doubts to that, as there are games that have banned glitch exploiters before that are still running to this day and making plenty of money.
No doubt the data is deleted at some time and after that's there's no hope of fair justice. As many have pointed out before, saying you'll punish someone for breaking the rules and not doing anything about it does not set a good precedent. After all more people will exploit the next glitch and you know there's bound to be one. b:chuckle0 -
hum not really see if you lv from 100 to 101 or 102 do you not think its ty to goons.
its so massive xp that you know who used what in no time.
and kid your not even sopused to be here go play mario or something this is for 13 year old player with guardian or 18+ of age.
go qq to ur mummy and let the adult talk muahahahaha.0 -
Sirkura - Raging Tide wrote: »another thing is IS that exp saved to the servers? the biggest issue i think is proving that someone used goons. i highly doubt it tells u what mobs were killed to receive wich experience in the game.
I would think that somewhere in the logs there would be a record of mobs killed during each unique instance ID. It wouldn't be terribly difficult (at least I wouldn't think) to do a search through individual instance IDs for mobs killed during the instance. The jailer boss should spawn 2 dragoons, plus the 15 (or however many there are) right before Holeen. So if you search logs for 25 or more dragoons being killed during one unique instance ID, that's pretty much a sure sign that the glitch was used.
This is of course all under the assumption that each instance of a dungeon is assigned its own unique ID. b:surrender[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
you can spawn more than 2 dragoons LEGALLY, the dragoons are on a timer, they spawn with a countdown.. I've had 5 and 6 spawn before, styren took a LONG time lolTsukyini - Raging Tide wrote: »I would think that somewhere in the logs there would be a record of mobs killed during each unique instance ID. It wouldn't be terribly difficult (at least I wouldn't think) to do a search through individual instance IDs for mobs killed during the instance. The jailer boss should spawn 2 dragoons, plus the 15 (or however many there are) right before Holeen. So if you search logs for 25 or more dragoons being killed during one unique instance ID, that's pretty much a sure sign that the glitch was used.
This is of course all under the assumption that each instance of a dungeon is assigned its own unique ID. b:surrenderI'm a guy, not a woman, that is all
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Psytrac - Dreamweaver wrote: »you can spawn more than 2 dragoons LEGALLY, the dragoons are on a timer, they spawn with a countdown.. I've had 5 and 6 spawn before, styren took a LONG time lol
Level ups are being logged, while mobs killed not. Each instance has its own ID, but afaik that wouldnt get u anywhere.
They would just need to check intervals between level ups, calculate the lowest possible times past lvl100, and anyone who leveled faster than that is potentially a gooner.
Below 100 this would be too inaccurate and well ucan get 100 anyway.0 -
every one knew it take much longer from 100 or rather 101 to gain xp from not imposible but stilll harder to obtain to 103.
after 103 it take a darn long time to get to 104 and from 104 to 105 is well for most ppl impossible with the current xp ppl gain.
now how come we have so many 105 b:surrenderb:shocked0 -
Summary. PWI w0nt ban the 105's simply because it w0uld be waaaaay t0 much w0rk. The they have t0 deal with drawbacks 0f the 105's QQing ab0ut th0se wh0 are n0t 105 that used g00ns. S0 just ban every0ne pr0blem s0lved? N0pe that means a sudden decrease in cash fl0wb:shocked. S0 in 0ther w0rds just let the game c0ntinue, n0t like it is hurting their pr0fits.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]I know what your thinking.0
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_Ghoul_ - Lost City wrote: »every one knew it take much longer from 100 or rather 101 to gain xp from not imposible but stilll harder to obtain to 103.
after 103 it take a darn long time to get to 104 and from 104 to 105 is well for most ppl impossible with the current xp ppl gain.
now how come we have so many 105 b:surrenderb:shocked
If you have determination and an unlimited supply of guardian scrolls and hyper stones, those levels are not impossible. The challenge in leveling, at that point, is not giving up out of sheer boredom.
Sheer infinite boredom. b:surrender[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Tsukyini - Raging Tide wrote: »If you have determination and an unlimited supply of guardian scrolls and hyper stones, those levels are not impossible. The challenge in leveling, at that point, is not giving up out of sheer boredom.
Sheer infinite boredom. b:surrender
Of course you can reach lv. 105. The question is when? After 5 years of grinding in normal FF? For normal class not sin of course.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »Of course you can reach lv. 105. The question is when? After 5 years of grinding in normal FF? For normal class not sin of course.
Honestly I wouldn't even bother with that place. If I was going to grind, I'd go grind 3rd map, and also do full deltas every possible chance. At least that way I'd also make money while trying to level.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
ban = lose customers = stupid0
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Tsukyini - Raging Tide wrote: »Please do show me someone who actually paid 50k USD on this game. I could use a good laugh. b:cute
my server -removed- there yeah go.
forgot no naming rule but there is a guy on my server who spent over 40k$ making r9 +12 toons0 -
_Nerox_ - Dreamweaver wrote: »Wrong.
Correct;
Banned players make new character> Player deposit money to buy new gear> Pwi makes profit.
now watch it happen.b:cute
With all the time invested in my toons; there's no way I'm starting from scratch again. I can't imagine anyone doing so when there's always new games coming out.0 -
I started in October of 2008. If I were permabanned on my main, I wouldn't come back, ever.
However, I never glitched goons, so it's not something I'm worried about.101 Sage Sin*/Archer
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Tsukyini - Raging Tide wrote: »So, once upon a time, in the 11th installment of a fantasy that is not final, there was this really cool place called Salvage, and in this place, players could obtain really awesome gear. The problem was, the drop rates were terribad beyond belief. One day, some players figured out a way to make is so that when items did finally drop, they could obtain three times the intended amount. This method was kept super secret for a long time (like over a year) during which the "elite" players who knew about it got all sorts of nice shiny gear.
Then, somehow, this glitch also turned out to be able to be performed in other areas of the game, allowing for the duplication of money drops. This finally got the attention of the Enix that is Square, and at the end of 2008 they performed an emergency maintenance to fix the glitch.
Massive outrage ensued once the glitch became public, with those who knew about and benefited from it claiming that they were right to keep it a secret, and that those who "deserved" to benefit from it were the ones who knew about it. The result was, of course, a nice entertaining flame war on the forum of the gartr that is blue, with people claiming that the Enix that is Square would never ban these players, as that would cause them to lose the "best" players in the game.
Then came the fateful day of Jan 22, 2009. The Enix that is Square dropped the banhammer with a vengeance, smiting the smug expressions of the players who believed themselves to be above the rules. The message was clear: the Enix is in charge, not the players.
TL;DR: PWE could learn a lot about proper use of the banhammer from the Enix that is Square.
Nevertheless, there are 2 important differences between what happaned at that game and at what happened at pwi.
The first difference is the repercussion of the exploit. On that other game the repercussion was serious because it was giving some players a great advantage on gear, and therefore on the game. It was something really serious. On the other hand, here at PW: what is the advantage of getting 105? Do you get better gear? No. Do you get some money? No, I heard doing the 3rd boss glitch consumed 1 platinum charm per session and the repair fee was huge. Although some people were selling 3rd boss, those who sold it were selling really cheap, and few did it cause they were fearful of a ban.
The second difference is that at that other game the company that is in charge of the game also happens to be the one who made the game. So, as soon as they found out they fixed it, and since it was an exploit that altered the balance of the game, they banned all those who did it without any mercy. Here at PWI they don't develop this game. They have to ask to China to fix everything for them. PWI even took responsibility from this for not being able to do anything right away. And, this problem of 3rd boss glitch was unique to our version because it seems in all the other versions you cannot use hypers inside frost. So in other version you could do that glitch, but the exp wasn't good. Of course, China did fix this glitch: They lowered the exp each dragon gives.
So, considering that all those who leveled to 105 by using 3rd boss did not do any damage to the economy or balance of game, it makes no sense to ban them. It would even hurt PWI and not because a few of those cash shop, it would hurt them because those who leveled to 105 are some of the most enthusiast players perfect world have. Even with this glitch it still took a few weeks of heavy expenses in frost. Banning them would hurt the community enormously. Also, cashopper or not, these people buy a lot of what I buy to resell
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what happened to Propper_Bang on lost city??b:surrender i think he got banned and he still owes me money!!!b:cry0
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