Sage archer

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  • angellicdeity
    angellicdeity Posts: 641 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »
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    If you want to play to be competitive or efficient, then the handful number of cookie-cutter builds is what you need to adhere to, in order to be competitive or efficient.



    If you want to re-evaluate what it means to be competitive or efficient, then you need to ask yourself why you are playing a Massive Multiplayer Online (MMO) game. If you want to play to have fun, today, most of the content is centered around having the best gears. End-game instances are balanced for people with insane gears.



    Many of the things you listed are builds that are both horrible and moderately decent in PvE, by no means competitive or efficient. There is no way an Arcane Archer will ever work.



    I dont encourage experimentation if you are unwilling to spend the money to correct it when it doesn't work out. Remember this is a FREE TO PLAY game, and many users wont be spending a dime. People who have gone through the game before and have experienced all end-game content share their experiences so that others don't make the same mistakes, or know what is ahead. When you tell them they shouldn't listen its like ignoring your mommy and daddy tell you not to play with fire.


    Thus I dont particularly like it when people make suggestions or argue on behalf of a particular build that will cost lots of time and money to fix when they find out its issues.
  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    So you'd compare having r9 to having a car? Hah. No... a car and a decent amount of clothes are less comparable to r9, and more comparable to walking around the overworld without a weapon, killing everything unarmed. You can do it, but life's gonna be a hell of a lot harder for it. If r9 were a car, it'd be the sports car that nobody needs and that basically exists as a cry for attention from its owner.

    LOL... really? Thats what you are going with. There is a reason that I did not buy a tata nano... other then that its a death trap. I'll get laughed at whenever I take that out for a spin.

    I tend to buy the best I can resonantly afford. Regardless if its the car that I drive... or pixels in game. Its also why there will be a 800 dollar phone waiting for me when I get back from work today... instead of out dated moto razr (that i had 7-8? years ago). They both fulfill the purpose of a phone... and yet I op for something that cost 10x more. For those who can afford better... do buy better. And I am guarantee you this... I don't need any attention from you in game or out.
    1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
    2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
    3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.

    Tokichiro - Heavy Armor Fish / Kiyoshi - Dual Blade Elf
  • Miugre - Heavens Tear
    Miugre - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    angellicdeity wrote: »
    If you want to play to be competitive or efficient, then the handful number of cookie-cutter builds is what you need to adhere to, in order to be competitive or efficient.

    If you want to re-evaluate what it means to be competitive or efficient, then you need to ask yourself why you are playing a Massive Multiplayer Online (MMO) game. If you want to play to have fun, today, most of the content is centered around having the best gears. End-game instances are balanced for people with insane gears.

    Many of the things you listed are builds that are both horrible and moderately decent in PvE, by no means competitive or efficient. There is no way an Arcane Archer will ever work.

    I dont encourage experimentation if you are unwilling to spend the money to correct it when it doesn't work out. Remember this is a FREE TO PLAY game, and many users wont be spending a dime. People who have gone through the game before and have experienced all end-game content share their experiences so that others don't make the same mistakes, or know what is ahead. When you tell them they shouldn't listen its like ignoring your mommy and daddy tell you not to play with fire.

    Thus I dont particularly like it when people make suggestions or argue on behalf of a particular build that will cost lots of time and money to fix when they find out its issues.
    I can guarantee you all those people I mentioned are having just as much fun with the game as you or me or Kiyoshi. :P I think you're making blood_rain's mistake in assuming that all newbies automatically want to be "the best," or that not being "the best" somehow ruins their fun to the point of self-harm (as you put it, playing with fire :P). A good portion of newbies genuinely just want to experience endgame content on a casual basis and then move on from there (either to alts, or to other games, etc.). And what are they told? Go r8. It's competitive. What if they don't want to be competitive?

    You don't see me posting in threads like "Weak" or "How can I overkill 5 APS?" (which are both active on page 1 of this board right now, among others). That's because the OPs of those threads clearly want to hear about competitive builds and tactics, and therefore my opinion won't be of much relevance. Rather, you'll see me more often making posts like, say, this one. Here, I was replying to a person who doesn't have a "pro build" and hadn't expressed any serious designs as to obtaining one. So to me, that's a blank slate. But to most of the other posters here, it's a flashing neon sign reading CAN U MAEK ME BE PRO PLOX??
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    LOL... really? Thats what you are going with. There is a reason that I did not buy a tata nano... other then that its a death trap. I'll get laughed at whenever I take that out for a spin.

    I tend to buy the best I can resonantly afford. Regardless if its the car that I drive... or pixels in game. Its also why there will be a 800 dollar phone waiting for me when I get back from work today... instead of out dated moto razr (that i had 7-8? years ago). They both fulfill the purpose of a phone... and yet I op for something that cost 10x more. For those who can afford better... do buy better. And I am guarantee you this... I don't need any attention from you in game or out.
    If you're going to assume my build says "I like to fail," then I can assume yours says "I pathetically crave attention." Or, y'know, we could just not assume things. That would be nice.

    Either way, none of this means we should tell the newbies "hey, go out and buy r8 or you fail." There are plenty of examples of people who did not spend extravagantly just because they had wealth. Are you telling me all those people are idiots? Because I think we have enough blatant consumerism in the world.
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  • Aesthor - Heavens Tear
    Aesthor - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,845 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Oh, naturally. It's just, y'know, completely misinterpreting what it says isn't so much "speaking your mind" as it is making whatever assumptions fit your opinion best. Your genie comment is another shining example of this - I happen to have two genies that I use extensively for different purposes, and am working on a third. You could've easily seen one of them the other day if you'd have bothered to actually look at my gear rather than just nerdrage at the sight of my citrine. But no, that's too much work, let's just extrapolate from that citrine and say that Miug has 300 magic, disavows bows, molests small animals and worships satan.

    That's what they call politician logic. >_>

    You really are a tool, if you're pointing out inaccuracies in my scathing sardonic remarks as if I actually tried to be accurate with them and then going off to make the same generalizations about others.

    Even my buffer has more skills on her genie than holy path. I obviously wouldn't HONESTLY think you only have 1 skill on your genie. You really couldn't figure that out? And not only that you had to CORRECT my statement and say oh not only do I have more than one skill I have TWO GENIES. OH MY EFFING GOD.

    It's incredibly pompous of you to think you can make attempts at being smarmy and be totally serious and literal when other people are successful at it against you. Really, you take yourself too seriously. You act like people care that you are fail. We don't. It doesn't affect us in the least if you're fail, but we just think it's funny to make fun of you about it.

    Also while we're on that topic of your sig, saying "you are trolled because I said so" does not make it true. It's a huge cop-out and everyone would realize it except for you.

    Edit: Forgot to change my font
    Edit2: Lol your use of the term 'nerdrage' is terribly inaccurate. Are you perhaps nerdraging about the way we like to make fun of your fail sharding and gear?
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  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Either way, none of this means we should tell the newbies "hey, go out and buy r8 or you fail." There are plenty of examples of people who did not spend extravagantly just because they had wealth. Are you telling me all those people are idiots? Because I think we have enough blatant consumerism in the world.

    I am not sure I used the word "extravagant"... but I did use the phase "reasonably afford". There is reason that I am no longer following my college diet of ramen noodles and cheap pizza. I am going to get that porterhouse/sushi whenever I want... and not take dates to McDonalds. If eating out... whenever where-ever I want is extravagant... then I guess I am an extravagant type of a guy. The way I see it... if I can save 50% of my income... then I god damn am going to spend the other 50% on whatever I want. Personally... I refuse to skim by with the bare minimum... whether regarding my work/game efforts or my expenditures.
    Aesthor - Heavens Tear wrote: »

    Edit: Forgot to change my font

    I see you really are giving this whole feminine out-look the good old college try.
    1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
    2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
    3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.

    Tokichiro - Heavy Armor Fish / Kiyoshi - Dual Blade Elf
  • Fleuri - Sanctuary
    Fleuri - Sanctuary Posts: 1,763 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    angellicdeity wrote: »
    If you want to re-evaluate what it means to be competitive or efficient, then you need to ask yourself why you are playing a Massive Multiplayer Online (MMO) game. If you want to play to have fun, today, most of the content is centered around having the best gears. End-game instances are balanced for people with insane gears.

    Personally, I play here because I have friends here.

    And I have to wonder, given how you posed that question, if this is really such a strange concept for you?

    Anyways, I totally understand the drive to have the biggest number. But, personally? Only one person in any context can have that biggest number, and I do not have much interest in living my life and treating my friends how I would have to to compete to be the person with that number.

    But, ok, I get it -- you do not feel that people like me should be here.

    But, I'm not really sure, if I have any good reasons to care about this feeling of yours?

    Meanwhile, if you put just a slight amount of thought into that "end-game content" thing, you could probably figure out how to achieve most of it without insane gears. (Though, ok, to be fair, with not to much more thought you can also achieve some of those insane gears... still, this can takes time if you did not start out with a significant edge and time to maintain it.)
  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Fleuri - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Anyways, I totally understand the drive to have the biggest number. But, personally? Only one person in any context can have that biggest number, and I do not have much interest in living my life and treating my friends how I would have to to compete to be the person with that number.

    I don't think any of the r9/decent gear advocates here claimed that they are the absolute top of their class. I always rated myself as average... even during my peak competitive months where I am ranked in the single digits for archers in terms of tangible measurements (gear/damage).
    Fleuri - Sanctuary wrote: »
    (Though, ok, to be fair, with not to much more thought you can also achieve some of those insane gears... still, this can takes time if you did not start out with a significant edge and time to maintain it.)

    Really? Muigue and I both started roughly three years ago. And look at where we are now. It's not a matter of time... its a matter of efficiency and possibility even intelligent. I achieved everything he achieved (other the levels) a whole TWO years ago.
    1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
    2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
    3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.

    Tokichiro - Heavy Armor Fish / Kiyoshi - Dual Blade Elf
  • Aesthor - Heavens Tear
    Aesthor - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,845 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »


    I see you really are giving this whole feminine out-look the good old college try.

    Um, no that wasn't what I was aiming for. I guess I'll try a different color.
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  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Aesthor - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Um, no that wasn't what I was aiming for. I guess I'll try a different color.

    And I wanted to tease you about the pink... b:surrender
  • Aesthor - Heavens Tear
    Aesthor - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,845 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    truekossy wrote: »
    And I wanted to tease you about the pink... b:surrender

    Manly colors~!
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  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    The manliest color of them all!
  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    What do you know about manly colors? :o
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  • Aesthor - Heavens Tear
    Aesthor - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,845 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »
    What do you know about manly colors? :o

    WHOA that is pretty pro!
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  • DaKillanator - Raging Tide
    DaKillanator - Raging Tide Posts: 2,965 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Aesthor - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    WHOA that is pretty pro!

    I learn something new everyday
  • Salasyn - Heavens Tear
    Salasyn - Heavens Tear Posts: 286 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Fail. Trying to figure out how to do that >.> since my quote button doesn't work :(
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  • Aesthor - Heavens Tear
    Aesthor - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,845 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Salasyn - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Fail. Trying to figure out how to do that >.> since my quote button doesn't work :(

    Magic disappearing text!

    You can probably find it off a hex generator too but quoting is easier xD
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  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Aesthor - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Magic disappearing text!

    You can probably find it off a hex generator too but quoting is easier xD

    True enough. I give you a cookie as a reward.
  • Vindis - Dreamweaver
    Vindis - Dreamweaver Posts: 614 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    You guys are so late :P
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  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Vindis - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    You guys are so late :P

    Speak for yourself! Some of us have been doing it since they changed the layout. :P
  • Aesthor - Heavens Tear
    Aesthor - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,845 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    The HT forums are disappearing cuz of this -_-
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  • Salasyn - Heavens Tear
    Salasyn - Heavens Tear Posts: 286 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    and it's all your fault!
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  • Aesthor - Heavens Tear
    Aesthor - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,845 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Just cuz I'm Enrage doesn't mean it's my fault!..................................well maybe it does.
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  • Salasyn - Heavens Tear
    Salasyn - Heavens Tear Posts: 286 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    I thought one condition of joining Enrage was understanding that once you join, everything becomes your fault??
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  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Whoa whoa whoa! HT has forums? I thought it was then Enrage forums.
  • Salasyn - Heavens Tear
    Salasyn - Heavens Tear Posts: 286 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    It's Enrage's public forum!
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  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Now that makes far more sense! Had me worried for a second thinking HT suddenly went and got its own forum!
  • Salasyn - Heavens Tear
    Salasyn - Heavens Tear Posts: 286 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    I know, hell would sooner freeze over then HT getting it's own forum!
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  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Yep! Though... it is somewhat drafty in here!
  • Aesthor - Heavens Tear
    Aesthor - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,845 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    truekossy wrote: »
    Yep! Though... it is somewhat drafty in here!

    Aww *huggles to keep you warm*
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  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited October 2011
    Aesthor - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Aww *huggles to keep you warm*


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