[Breaking News] Secret Passage Being Reverted

DexoTrix - Dreamweaver

Thank you For Reverting it. I am Not a PKer But i do Enjoy it with my Friends, However SP Should never have been changed. I cant even go in there to help out other players without Getting attacked by some PKer who thinks its fun to **** around with Blue names... Iv died aswell as the low levels im helping. Its good to See our Feedback is Watched.

Omea - Lost City

Sangodoc wrote: »

Except that you remember it wrong.

Yes, Frankieraye didn't know if it was intended or not at first, but after contacting China he found out that it was intended. The post you're thinking of is the first one in the "PvP in Secret Passage is now 100% allowed!" thread. Reread it and you'll see that Frankieraye clearly says, "For our last patch, the developers decided to try something new - in keeping with the momentum of the PWIC tournament, they decided to give the players on the PW China servers a fully open PVP instance - they turned Secret Passage into a full PK zone. Since our version almost 100% mirrors the Chinese version functionality-wise, we now have the same thing."

In other words, the PWIC was the reason that inspired them to change SP to PK. It was not an accident.

However, it looks like this was a good idea which was badly implemented (SP was a truly terrible location for it), so they've listened to our feedback and are returning SP to how it was.

Hopefully they'll come up with a workable version of this in the future for the people that did enjoy it though.

"It was intended" has to be the most cliche. Not only are we lied to, PWE are also lied to if they get told something like this.

Anyone with two working brainhalves can figure out that they (devs) ****ed up and needed this past time to find someone who knows how to program something to fix it.

Chadric - Heavens Tear

LOL ya... like all the lies we've caught in the past, we're suposed to belive that? heh

_blood_rain - Sanctuary

Omea - Lost City wrote: »

"It was intended" has to be the most cliche. Not only are we lied to, PWE are also lied to if they get told something like this.

Anyone with two working brainhalves can figure out that they (devs) ****ed up and needed this past time to find someone who knows how to program something to fix it.

How is PvP zone in SP even able to be passed off as unintended? To me, it was clear from the beginning that it was no accident. More often than Frankie lies, he and the other Gms have no clue about everything that's in their patches, either that or they stay silent about the changes they feel the community might respond negatively to(but I lean more towards the first explanation).

Zoe - Heavens Tear

In my experience with mmos, GMs are almost never told most of what a patch contains.

mcfreakie

Sangodoc wrote: »

Except that you remember it wrong.

Yes, Frankieraye didn't know if it was intended or not at first, but after contacting China he found out that it was intended. The post you're thinking of is the first one in the "PvP in Secret Passage is now 100% allowed!" thread. Reread it and you'll see that Frankieraye clearly says, "For our last patch, the developers decided to try something new - in keeping with the momentum of the PWIC tournament, they decided to give the players on the PW China servers a fully open PVP instance - they turned Secret Passage into a full PK zone. Since our version almost 100% mirrors the Chinese version functionality-wise, we now have the same thing."

In other words, the PWIC was the reason that inspired them to change SP to PK. It was not an accident.

However, it looks like this was a good idea which was badly implemented (SP was a truly terrible location for it), so they've listened to our feedback and are returning SP to how it was.

Hopefully they'll come up with a workable version of this in the future for the people that did enjoy it though.

Dig deeper as there were threads before that one. The thread you mentioned was just the first one Frankie gave us the confirmation after a few days of people being super pissed. Those complaining were told prior to the mentioned thread to send in tickets as the change was not intended and went against the posted rules.

Who puts up the promos on the web page? Because they always seem to promote other changes in the game... something which was coming from the tournament would want to be promoted as it would also promote the tournament. Why make a change to the game which could possibly increase the number of players wanting to participate in next years tournament and get them into playing more PVP (as we were told) and not promote it? Why ANYONE would think the company would want to create such a well desired place (also as we were told) and not want to promote it at all? Either way you want to spin it... one failure or another the game LOST big.

sangodoc

mcfreakie wrote: »

Dig deeper as there were threads before that one. The thread you mentioned was just the first one Frankie gave us the confirmation after a few days of people being super pissed. Those complaining were told prior to the mentioned thread to send in tickets as the change was not intended and went against the posted rules.

<facepalm>

I did dig deeper, and showed you the end result. How about you do the same and post some links to this supposedly contradictory information, eh?

The prior comments you refer to were early guesses, not confirmed information, and those early guesses turned out to be wrong.

But hey, you guys seem to prefer your complicated conspiracy theories over the simple truth, so I don't think there's anything I can say that will convince you otherwise. b:surrender

whitesynn

Now this where your Customer Sevice fails big time

"Now this where your Customer Service fails big time

"In other words, the PWIC was the reason that inspired them to change SP to PK. It was not an accident."

Why weren't we properly informed that this so called “changed” was coming, why didn’t you do a surveys before hand to see if “we” even wanted such a drastic change on our severs? Nope it was just easier to wrongly force it on us because “China” says so.

Although you’re “mirroring” China some things should remain different here.

“Yes, Frankieraye didn't know if it was intended or not at first, but after contacting China he found out that it was intended.”

Ok I’ll believe that line miscommunication happens.


“Due to the extremely negative feedback about the recent change to Secret Passage, the developers have agreed to revert it to its original state - the way that it was before the change.”

“Even Frankieraye doesn't know when it will be reverted. He said that it will likely be in the next bundle of patches they get from China, but he doesn't know when that will be. It may be a couple of weeks from now, or it could be on the next maintenance, but I wouldn't bet on the latter.”


Seeing my problem with those two quotes in comparison? One says yes It will be changed back the one says I don’t when. So being dissatisfied and annoyed we’re just suppose to now sit and wait for whenever long to come?

So here I’m left think the bunch of people who control our severs are just plain clueless about “what” goes on or really couldn’t care less about what “we” think or say.
Why don’t you just be honest if needed and come out and tell us “you all just have to live with it, no conversion will ever take place” OH wait you heard that? The cash registers stopped going Ching as much as they use too. I guess it’s better to just pacify and string us along with hope of something that might never happen this decade.

zerosubs

The ACTUAL reason its being reverted.

http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/4412/imposibru.jpg

ijs Chinese > everyone else.

Alsiadorra - Sanctuary

Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »

In my experience with mmos, GMs are almost never told most of what a patch contains.

Even so, they are not allowed to tell much.

mcfreakie

Sangodoc wrote: »

<facepalm>

I did dig deeper, and showed you the end result. How about you do the same and post some links to this supposedly contradictory information, eh?

The prior comments you refer to were early guesses, not confirmed information, and those early guesses turned out to be wrong.

But hey, you guys seem to prefer your complicated conspiracy theories over the simple truth, so I don't think there's anything I can say that will convince you otherwise. b:surrender

Simple truth you dont seem to get is provided this was new content/change they expected to be a huge success... they did a **** poor job promoting, implementing, and being prepared to take on those PVE players who had their game changed dramatically but cutting off an EARLY instance area which has lots of traffic of players from 28-70 doing quests. That is pure failure. Management at Coke might not admit failure for the roll out of 'New' Coke but at least they didnt hold back on its roll out.

This is NOT a conspiracy. This is fact: The company either failed to promote something said to be so wanted OR there was a programming error that happened IN China the company didnt want to admit. In both cases the company did a poor job in which they NOW must change before even more players leave the game or refuse to buy more zen which is how they profit. And for all the testing everyone says they do before they ship new content to the PWI its amazing not one person thought of how this would be exploited to go against the TOS.

I appreciate you defending the company and desire to show this as a success but the facts and opinions of many more people then me do not agree. You and any one else who is tired of seeing me post should know I will stop injecting my opinion on the subject when its changed. Each day I play the game I have more and more people asking whats going on with SP who are just learning of the change. People can QQ all they want about those players should read the forums, read the log in notes or read world chat but the fact remains not every player plays daily nor reads every word put before them in a GAME. Another fact is until the change happens dont expect people NOT to post new threads on the topic or just sit tight and wait for some day to happen. Anyone wanting this to just go away or people to stop complaining need to start praying the company makes the change soon before the bleeding of players leaving this game for others makes a big impact. May not drastically hurt the game or shut it down but I can assure you the reviews on various gaming sites are already starting to increase with negative reviews. Now is not a good time for an entertainment company wishing to make profits to just ignore or sit on an issue.

GMs/MODs can do their best to put down the complaints but the fact remains as long as it stays as it is now... the bleeding and complaints wont stop. From the complaints I continue to see everyday on here and in game by people who still cant get their quests complete or just learning of this change things are NOT getting better and wont till its restored. Sit tight, put on a smile and hope the change comes soon.



And we can discuss your use of a facepalm gesture showing your maturity in other threads.

Abstractive - Archosaur

It's "breaking" alright, but it's not the news.

Miugre - Heavens Tear

mcfreakie wrote: »

there was a programming error that happened IN China the company didnt want to admit.

It's this one. Given the relative incompetence of the current devs in general, the most likely scenario is one in which they flipped the "forced PK" flag to "on" and didn't notice (especially given the theory that the PWIC instance is just tacked on to SP itself).

On its own, that would just have been a rather annoying example of the devs' incompetence... something we could nonetheless laugh about a year from now. But then frankie had to go and make it worse by lying to us about it. Or, at least, passing on lies he was given by PWE execs, PWCN execs, or the devs themselves. Actually, I'm not sure where the buck stops on that one... and that's the worst part. >_>

mcfreakie wrote: »

Each day I play the game I have more and more people asking whats going on with SP who are just learning of the change.

I don't know why, but when I read this I got a powerful urge to WC offering help to newbies in SP quests, the day this gets patched in. That is, after I get Silver Frost on my soon-to-be-70 barb. XD

Omea - Lost City

_blood_rain - Sanctuary wrote: »

How is PvP zone in SP even able to be passed off as unintended? To me, it was clear from the beginning that it was no accident. More often than Frankie lies, he and the other Gms have no clue about everything that's in their patches, either that or they stay silent about the changes they feel the community might respond negatively to(but I lean more towards the first explanation).

Because, apparently, D.Orb sales can make clients crash.

ZoracGallant - Raging Tide

Omea - Lost City wrote: »

Because, apparently, D.Orb sales can make clients crash.

b:laugh

Descendus - Lost City

Esnemyl - Dreamweaver wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNvo3-aRwEc

This
Thank goodness none of my alts(or myself) will be pwned uneccesarily b:victory

ROFL lol totally didn't see this coming +1 b:laugh

sangodoc

whitesynn wrote: »

Why weren't we properly informed that this so called "changed" was coming,

We weren't informed, because PWE (or at least FrankieRaye) wasn't informed. Why he wasn't informed, I don't know.

I assume it's because they're human and make mistakes, so maybe they just need better procedures to make sure that doesn't happen again, or it could just be a simple communication or something that fell through the cracks, but I could be wrong.

whitesynn wrote: »

why didn't you do a surveys before hand to see if "we" even wanted such a drastic change on our severs?

That's just silly. They shouldn't have to "run everything through a committee" every time they want to make a change to their own game. Besides, there are so many different versions of Perfect World around the world that this would be a huge waste of time and manpower.

For things like this the "try it, and if it really fails, revert it" is far more cost efficient.

whitesynn wrote: »

Nope it was just easier to wrongly force it on us because "China" says so.

However "wrongly" is only based on 20/20 hindsight, plus the assumption that they knew it was coming (they apparently didn't), plus the assumption that they aren't contractually obligated to add it (I think they are, but I'm not 100% certain of that). In other words, I don't think PWE had a choice in the matter.

whitesynn wrote: »

"Due to the extremely negative feedback about the recent change to Secret Passage, the developers have agreed to revert it to its original state - the way that it was before the change."

"Even Frankieraye doesn't know when it will be reverted. He said that it will likely be in the next bundle of patches they get from China, but he doesn't know when that will be. It may be a couple of weeks from now, or it could be on the next maintenance, but I wouldn't bet on the latter."

Seeing my problem with those two quotes in comparison? One says yes It will be changed back the one says I don't when. So being dissatisfied and annoyed we're just suppose to now sit and wait for whenever long to come?

No, I don't really see the problem. I mean, yeah, it sucks to wait, but PWE doesn't have a choice other than to wait, so neither do we. If you want to get mad at anyone here, it's PW-China. Still, this should be fixed within the next few weeks, as PW-China has already reverted it on their servers, from what I hear.

And on another note...

mcfreakie wrote: »

I appreciate you defending the company and desire to show this as a success but the facts and opinions of many more people then me do not agree.

LOL. Way to not pay attention to what I'm saying. I've never portrayed this as a "success" in any shape or form. I think it was a good idea, but the implementation was so awful that it ruined the good idea. Furthermore, there was poor communication of the change between PW-China and PWE, resulting in a lot of initial confusion and wasted effort on support tickets over a rule that had to be reversed due to this change. All in all this was a pretty big mess.

However, all of this conspiracy mongering over "it was a bug by China, and they're just lying to cover it up and saying it was intended now" and other such nonsense is just anger inspired conjecture, and has no basis in fact. I note that you didn't supply a single link to anyone confirming that it was not intended, because nobody has done such.

This quote sums up my point: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." - Robert J. Hanlon (A.K.A. Hanlon's razor)

Have a nice day! b:bye

Revlax - Archosaur

Alright! You guys at PWE actually listened for once, now if only you could revert the game back to its original state I MIGHT come back :P

mcfreakie

Sangodoc wrote: »

We weren't informed, because PWE (or at least FrankieRaye) wasn't informed. Why he wasn't informed, I don't know.

I assume it's because they're human and make mistakes, so maybe they just need better procedures to make sure that doesn't happen again, or it could just be a simple communication or something that fell through the cracks, but I could be wrong.


LOL. Way to not pay attention to what I'm saying. I've never portrayed this as a "success" in any shape or form. I think it was a good idea, but the implementation was so awful that it ruined the good idea. Furthermore, there was poor communication of the change between PW-China and PWE, resulting in a lot of initial confusion and wasted effort on support tickets over a rule that had to be reversed due to this change. All in all this was a pretty big mess.

However, all of this conspiracy mongering over "it was a bug by China, and they're just lying to cover it up and saying it was intended now" and other such nonsense is just anger inspired conjecture, and has no basis in fact. I note that you didn't supply a single link to anyone confirming that it was not intended, because nobody has done such.

I dont need to provide links to a thread PROVING it was intended or not intended as there was NO promotion of something to be such a DESIRED game change. It was FAILURE from the moment it hit the patch. Pure lack of promotion and any information given to GMs, MODs or player base of such change is PROOF enough of a blunder whether intentional or not. The very idea in an area with huge number of low level traffic of players doing quests again whether or not those quests are deemed NEEDED or not which provides harassment which goes against the very TOS the game provides further proves pure lack of THOUGHT on the part of developers which is additional proof of FAILURE and as I have stated before.... if the company wants to embrace the idea of this as intentional they have big balls cause it makes them look even more inept then anyone makes them out to be.

So we can go with the idea of this change as intentional as the embarrassment is ALL on them.

TenaciousVix - Lost City

Wait.. so what's going on with SP?
Why are we waiting for a patch? (I assumed PK was always POSSIBLE in the instance, just the GMs would ban you if you did it.)

Is PK allowed in SP (after this patch lands) or is it not?


I'm confused here.

vidiamolta

http://www.youtube.com/user/NaturistFaction b:victory its so cool

Juliaasmith - Dreamweaver

TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »

I have nothing against them addressing the issue, but they clearly haven't; as they haven't offered a replacement for the PvP area. I have a problem with people assuming everyone who supports PvP areas are noob griefers. I hunt people like that.

I would like to hunt and kos you, DAN!!!!! I am pretty sure that I would defeat you! b:chuckle

dallas51m

Thank you very much. As a realitively new player grinding along quest after quest, I was puzzled as hell, when I was in the SP trying to do a quest and some person I didnt know, and didnt say a thing to, nor did anything to, came along, killed Me, and I lost Items and experience. I was very upset to say the least as I had no idea it would happen, since I am a pve player. It came very close to making me quit PWI. When someone comes along and wipes you out in 2 shots and you have no idea its even comming, and then you take away something we worked hard on grinding up to get, its almost a camel back breaking straw.... So for one, I am very very happy to hear this change is comming.

protogoos

Ok so lets get this straight..

When the software allows for unwanted actions and we the subscribers make use of this glitch we can be banned for life. Is that not correct???

Now a patch is in place that allows for what by your announcment is officially over turned going from Open PVP to reverting back to no PVP..

Are you saying that this now what would best be addressed as an official glitch, which we are currently waiting on the patch to remove the free for all ability. Where in according to the recognized practice set forth by PWI USA. Would be after this announcement be considered a glitch. As such any abuse of this intentional glitch should also lead to banning.

So please stop with ignoring us. You say you monitor and listen yet this string itself is already at 51 + pages all of us wanting our servers back as before. Yet you say we will have it changed sometime in the future...

If we payed for the items like that PWI in the english speaking world would be in $$ trouble..

Simply put verbal or written intent/promises are hollow until backed up by the deed. Start protecting those under 30th level as is noted in the Rules of PWI.

_blood_rain - Sanctuary

zerosubs wrote: »

The ACTUAL reason its being reverted.

http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/4412/imposibru.jpg

ijs Chinese > everyone else.

Omg, you win. Just, you win.

sangodoc

TenaciousVix - Lost City wrote: »

Wait.. so what's going on with SP?
Why are we waiting for a patch? (I assumed PK was always POSSIBLE in the instance, just the GMs would ban you if you did it.)

Is PK allowed in SP (after this patch lands) or is it not?

I'm confused here.

PK was not allowed in Secret Passage (SP) until a recent patch changed how PK works in SP. That change was intended to allow people to have fun with PvP without the normal consequences or having to switch to PvP. However, the location chosen has caused problems with quests and causes unsuspecting newbies to get randomly/unexpectedly killed, which most people think is a bad idea. So the plan is to revert SP back to the way it was.

However, until we get a new patch reverting SP to normal, PK is allowed in SP. After it is patched we will most likely go back to the old rule where it was bannable.

_Slyre_ - Raging Tide

what about flying in sp ! i like that thats the only nice thing lmfaob:laugh

oralungo

b:thanksthank alot pwi.. u dont know how hard i do FB 29... my main sure can use illusion stone.. n my alt ? even i can use it.. the mob in front teleporter door (teleprter door who sent u to second floor from SP) kill my alt in an instan since i dont put gear on it.. b:angryit took me 1 hour just for bring my alt save to the instance... n sum ppl.. they rilly proud by killing veno lvl 30.. yup.. an r8 sins kill my lvl 30 veno.. wkwkkwkw.. its clear he/she know my veno lvl 30 since i put squad finding info.. "lvl 30 venomancer looking squad" WTF

n to ppl who feel loosing PK instance.. go white n do PK in anywhere u want if u on pve server.. dont tell me u affraid drop or red ? if so u just chicken... b:pleased play sum solitair card game.. i think thats good for u.. wkowkwowkowkwowkowkw

n to pwi stop it making pk area in an instance/cave that player need for quest... even in pvp server.. its not fair ijs.. 100++ killing lv 40-- ? yeah only ppl with **** can win.. kwowkwowkowkwowk...

no offence.. lets have more fun w/o ruin another fun..b:thanks

Selak - Dreamweaver

Sangodoc wrote: »

PK was not allowed in Secret Passage (SP) until a recent patch changed how PK works in SP. That change was intended to allow people to have fun with PvP without the normal consequences or having to switch to PvP. However, the location chosen has caused problems with quests and causes unsuspecting newbies to get randomly/unexpectedly killed, which most people think is a bad idea. So the plan is to revert SP back to the way it was.

However, until we get a new patch reverting SP to normal, PK is allowed in SP. After it is patched we will most likely go back to the old rule where it was bannable.

You missed one important reason, Older experianced high lvl PvE Players have chosen to play there game as PvE because they hate PK, do not wish to be killed penaltys or not.

We should have the choice to play the game the way we wish too, especially as this is a PvE server and not PvP server.

Also after 30 years of gaming i have never found getting killed as being fun, maladjusted or not i am happy being me lol

rrdesign

....Where's my fun now? Could you guys at least give some sort of reward for killing oracle slaves?