PvP in Secret Passage is now 100% allowed!

Jeremied - Sanctuary

Nah, a 4 day old cup of yogurt would do a better job monitoring the situation.

b:surrender Although sometimes I feel that's already the case...

EDIT: I take back my earlier assumption. o_o Gm's are real! There is hope

frankiepaye

Hey all,


For our last patch, the developers screwed up royally- but we'll claim it has something to do with PWIC tournament, they decided to give the players on the PW China servers a fully open PVP instance - they turned Secret Passage into a full PK zone.


Since our version almost 100% mirrors the Chinese version, and because they're really freakin' lazy, we now have the same thing.


While this change is quite jarring and pointless, we think we'll actually have to do work banning people so we'll allow it, and for these reasons:


1. Players have been asking for a place to PVP low players without any consequence for a long time. This new Secret Passage fulfills that role.

2. Secret Passage is a mandatory instance for low-level's. Most of the mobs needed for quests can't be found just outside the instance as well.

3. Those who need to enter the Hall of Deception instance can use the various Illusion Stones in Archosaur so buy zen and sell gold you new players so you can afford the cost to port in and decent gear so the mobs in the doorway room don't kill you. (one is at 529,664).


So, in short, we're going to change this rule and go play WoW or get very drunk. We do have a lot of high level players who would like to slaughter low level players in the world of PvP, and I believe that this new version of the Secret Passage will give them that opportunity.


So please don't let me know if you have any questions, and I'd like to mention a special **** you to KrittyCat who's worked really hard to talk with and help players during this most incredulous situation.

Enjoy the parody/truth!b:bye

mcfreakie

frankiepaye wrote: »

Hey all,


For our last patch, the developers screwed up royally- but we'll claim it has something to do with PWIC tournament, they decided to give the players on the PW China servers a fully open PVP instance - they turned Secret Passage into a full PK zone.


Since our version almost 100% mirrors the Chinese version, and because they're really freakin' lazy, we now have the same thing.


While this change is quite jarring and pointless, we think we'll actually have to do work banning people so we'll allow it, and for these reasons:


1. Players have been asking for a place to PVP low players without any consequence for a long time. This new Secret Passage fulfills that role.

2. Secret Passage is a mandatory instance for low-level's. Most of the mobs needed for quests can't be found just outside the instance as well.

3. Those who need to enter the Hall of Deception instance can use the various Illusion Stones in Archosaur so buy zen and sell gold you new players so you can afford the cost to port in and decent gear so the mobs in the doorway room don't kill you. (one is at 529,664).


So, in short, we're going to change this rule and go play WoW or get very drunk. We do have a lot of high level players who would like to slaughter low level players in the world of PvP, and I believe that this new version of the Secret Passage will give them that opportunity.


So please don't let me know if you have any questions, and I'd like to mention a special **** you to KrittyCat who's worked really hard to talk with and help players during this most incredulous situation.

Enjoy the parody/truth!b:bye

Haha Amazing how the truth can make us all laugh.

Sheshka - Raging Tide

frankiepaye wrote: »

Hey all,


For our last patch, the developers screwed up royally- but we'll claim it has something to do with PWIC tournament, they decided to give the players on the PW China servers a fully open PVP instance - they turned Secret Passage into a full PK zone.


Since our version almost 100% mirrors the Chinese version, and because they're really freakin' lazy, we now have the same thing.


While this change is quite jarring and pointless, we think we'll actually have to do work banning people so we'll allow it, and for these reasons:


1. Players have been asking for a place to PVP low players without any consequence for a long time. This new Secret Passage fulfills that role.

2. Secret Passage is a mandatory instance for low-level's. Most of the mobs needed for quests can't be found just outside the instance as well.

3. Those who need to enter the Hall of Deception instance can use the various Illusion Stones in Archosaur so buy zen and sell gold you new players so you can afford the cost to port in and decent gear so the mobs in the doorway room don't kill you. (one is at 529,664).


So, in short, we're going to change this rule and go play WoW or get very drunk. We do have a lot of high level players who would like to slaughter low level players in the world of PvP, and I believe that this new version of the Secret Passage will give them that opportunity.


So please don't let me know if you have any questions, and I'd like to mention a special **** you to KrittyCat who's worked really hard to talk with and help players during this most incredulous situation.

Enjoy the parody/truth!b:bye

lol! Great Parody, you really nailed it. b:victory

Tamerlayn - Sanctuary

b:angry The secret passage is necessary for low levels doing quests like Shade of Eido. R9 players are just sitting in the sp shooting them like fish in a barrel. I chose a pve server only because I wanted to avoid this sort of situation. If you want to create a pk area, make a new area that people can enter voluntarily and pk to their hearts' content. But making a new player area a pk zone is just wrong. I would have quit at level 29 had this been the case when I started. Now, at 99, sure I can go and wipe out squads of newbies, but what is the point? Please change this.

ditchjumper

OontzOontz - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Pwned.

You might want to move silver frost outside before they cry again.

yes i agree also move edio and frost out side as well as the earth wheel qwest ....you as a gm should know these things are in there...this is no longer a pve server then. funny i have char's on pvp server and some want pve but are stuckon pvp. and now peeps want pve but are stuck....with nothing to go to to enjoy the game ,what is the choice button for anymore then..? you know pk'ers are just padding their kill rateing w/ lowbies and ganking hi levels who are helping them do qwest.until this is fixed i'm not able to help others do qwest in there and not going to try.i also will pass on the word to complain to forums to those that feel the same. I saw the poll and it is clear that not only did China mess up but so did Gm's who thought this was a great thing.

Kalirin - Sanctuary

For those of you that havent seen it yet

frankieraye wrote: »

Hey all,


Due to the extremely negative feedback about the recent change to Secret Passage, the developers have agreed to revert it to its original state - the way that it was before the change.

From what I understand, the change is about to be implemented on the Chinese servers, and it will soon take place over here as well.


Thank you for all of your feedback on the matter

mcfreakie

Now this thread can close and customer service can take the time to actually answer tickets including those pointing out players violating the terms of service.

FatalFem - Heavens Tear

mcfreakie wrote: »

Helen Keller could do a better job monitoring the situation in SP.

Boartracker - Raging Tide wrote: »

mhhh, Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles could also do a better job monitoring the situation.

b:bye

frankiepaye wrote: »

Hey all,


For our last patch, the developers screwed up royally- but we'll claim it has something to do with PWIC tournament, they decided to give the players on the PW China servers a fully open PVP instance - they turned Secret Passage into a full PK zone.


Since our version almost 100% mirrors the Chinese version, and because they're really freakin' lazy, we now have the same thing.


While this change is quite jarring and pointless, we think we'll actually have to do work banning people so we'll allow it, and for these reasons:


1. Players have been asking for a place to PVP low players without any consequence for a long time. This new Secret Passage fulfills that role.

2. Secret Passage is a mandatory instance for low-level's. Most of the mobs needed for quests can't be found just outside the instance as well.

3. Those who need to enter the Hall of Deception instance can use the various Illusion Stones in Archosaur so buy zen and sell gold you new players so you can afford the cost to port in and decent gear so the mobs in the doorway room don't kill you. (one is at 529,664).


So, in short, we're going to change this rule and go play WoW or get very drunk. We do have a lot of high level players who would like to slaughter low level players in the world of PvP, and I believe that this new version of the Secret Passage will give them that opportunity.


So please don't let me know if you have any questions, and I'd like to mention a special **** you to KrittyCat who's worked really hard to talk with and help players during this most incredulous situation.

Enjoy the parody/truth!b:bye

Thank you all for trying to make us laugh (rather succeeding to make us laugh) at all this!

BaldwinBoy - Dreamweaver

No much better they do a typical PWI move and leave a conflicting message up in the thread right below the news flash!

Or are they saying its coming soon so grief and harass as much as possible before we change things?

Black_wolve - Sanctuary

Glad they changing this sancturary is a pvp server lets all hope it stays this way if people want to pk others then go in to archo west side why not your all in red any ways correct me if iam wrong have they not done this maybe now there lazy to make coin so they decide to pk low levels take they stuff sell it i seen that befor to.

Besides it's not just the pking in the sp there should be other changes lets see maybe make a unlimited black list maybe also that you can block world chat? maybe make it worth the wild give out more quest to help us high lv's im lv 103 i got this way by 2 years 5 months of work there is not many places to go to gain enough exp to lv iam only 1.6% mabe by 2 years by now i make it to 104 lol.

Most of the players that are 105 where doing goons on a constant basis thats why they made it to 105.

Ina short note what's next I wonder?????b:chuckleb:chuckleb:chuckle Btw quick question any one else been getting bugg reports constant sense befor or after this new patch every time i go to r t bug report any how take care bye byeb:bye

Sparc - Harshlands

Don't worry about this thread now, it's being changed back again b:chuckle

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1185771

Eilexa - Heavens Tear

# 1 [Breaking News] Secret Passage Being Reverted
Today, 05:49 PM
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Hey all,


Due to the extremely negative feedback about the recent change to Secret Passage, the developers have agreed to revert it to its original state - the way that it was before the change.

From what I understand, the change is about to be implemented on the Chinese servers, and it will soon take place over here as well.

WOOT! See QQ'ing helped!! They actually listened to us! It only took like 7 days, 149 pages and 1000+ posts...b:thanks

This is the reply I got to my ticket:

Action: Ticket has been closed.

The Secret Passage instance is now fully open to PVP, meaning you can get PKed even if you do not have PVP mode enabled. The new rules are retroactive to the patch with the changes.

Please post any feedback you have in the forum sticky announcing the changes. This allows us to centralize all of this feedback and then forward it to the developers in China. Customer Service has no influence over these changes, so emailing us directly will not help things get changed any sooner.

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1180311

But thanks so much for paying attention

Canisha - Heavens Tear

frankieraye wrote: »

Hey all,


For our last patch, the developers decided to try something new - in keeping with the momentum of the PWIC tournament, they decided to give the players on the PW China servers a fully open PVP instance - they turned Secret Passage into a full PK zone.


Since our version almost 100% mirrors the Chinese version functionality-wise, we now have the same thing.


While this change is quite jarring, we think it will actually ultimately be a positive one, and for these reasons:


1. Players have been asking for a place to PVP without dropping gear for a long time. This new Secret Passage fulfills that role.

2. Secret Passage is not a mandatory instance for (edit: low-level) Spiritual Cultivation. Mobs needed for culti can be found just outside the instance as well.

3. Those who need to enter the Hall of Deception instance can use the various Illusion Stones in Archosaur (one is at 529,664).


So, in short, we're going to change this rule and monitor the situation. We do have a lot of high level players who would like to enter the world of PvP, and I believe that this new version of the Secret Passage will give them that opportunity.


So please let me know if you have any questions, and I'd like to mention a special thank you to KrittyCat who worked really hard to talk with and help players during this most interesting situation.


Update: This change to Secret Passage is being reverted due to the extremely negative feedback following the change. Please see this thread for more discussion:

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1185771

Thanks.

Am I the only person who noticed when you created your characters, you had the choice of pvp or pve server? What part of pve requires you to have pvp in it? There's servers specifically for people who want pvp. Now there's no servers for people who specifically do NOT want pvp.

Eilexa - Heavens Tear

Hey guys, if any of you are still looking at this forum, please go give suggestive comments on my thread for how and where to put a new pvp instance. I've seen some great ideas on this trhead and I hope you guys go place them on my thread.

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=14692361#post14692361

Annalyse - Heavens Tear

You might want to remove this thread now, ijs.....

It seems to be confusing some people.

Miugre - Heavens Tear

Annalyse - Heavens Tear wrote:

ou might want to remove this thread now, ijs.....

It seems to be confusing some people.

I think at this point, this thread serves no other purpose except as a nearly-150-page shrine to selfish, elitist behavior and unapologetic cruelty... as well as a glaring example of how some people will defend literally anything as long as it benefits them, no matter how reprehensible.

And the final irony is, if these kinds of people weren't filling PWE's pockets to the brim, we would never need to humor them at all. I can't help but wonder if frankie wouldn't have dropped the ball on this quite as hard as he did, if he didn't have to "fake a smile" for fear of pissing them off.

Of course, none of this is news to me (or probably anyone else here). It's just supremely irritating, sometimes, to be reminded. Perfect World, indeed. >_>

Typhyse - Sanctuary

Black_wolve - Sanctuary wrote: »

Glad they changing this sancturary is a pvp server lets all hope it stays this way if people want to pk others then go in to archo west side why not your all in red any ways correct me if iam wrong have they not done this maybe now there lazy to make coin so they decide to pk low levels take they stuff sell it i seen that befor to.

Besides it's not just the pking in the sp there should be other changes lets see maybe make a unlimited black list maybe also that you can block world chat? maybe make it worth the wild give out more quest to help us high lv's im lv 103 i got this way by 2 years 5 months of work there is not many places to go to gain enough exp to lv iam only 1.6% mabe by 2 years by now i make it to 104 lol.

Most of the players that are 105 where doing goons on a constant basis thats why they made it to 105.

Ina short note what's next I wonder?????b:chuckleb:chuckleb:chuckle Btw quick question any one else been getting bugg reports constant sense befor or after this new patch every time i go to r t bug report any how take care bye byeb:bye

1. Drop a punctuation mark in there somewhere @_@
2. Sanct is a PvE server.

patik1099

tell the a holes in china to put base wars in now or go kill themselves

trixa11

I am a NEW player. Less than 2 months old. If I wanted to do PVP surely I would have gotten a PVP game!? Surely these bored level 100's can do the same and go play some other PVP game?

Like how is it fair that I have a quest to kill Cain's Guards (1 guard per run, need 10) in BH29, yet I can NEVER possibly get there? How is it fair that we have level 100+ people who instantly ONE SHOT me EVERYTHING FRICKING time? Like I'm now level 55, and I STILL have this stinking quest.

COME ON! I am not even flagged for PVP, yet I am dead instantly on entry. And next, even if they don't one shot me, I can't cast anything back at them. Like how is THAT fair? They can somehow target and cast stuff at me, and IF I live I cant retaliate at all?

Seriously I don't give a flying **** that level 100's are bored and have nothing better to do then kill low levels. Maybe if they are so bored, they should switch to a PVP server and PVP constantly-maybe see how much fun it is getting killed while questing. Oh maybe you should make more level 100+ content, instead of making open season on low levels.

Like how do you programmers at PWI expect new players to enjoy this game when they can't even get their second dungeon solved? Do you think it's FUN for us new players to be getting killed constantly by people? Give the damm bored level 100's a different place to pvp. Like Twilight temple, or some place we low levels cant get to, therefore wont be getting one shot instantly. And maybe their opponents will give them more fun then us low levels who instantly hit the ground in a one-shot.

I chose this game MAINLY because pvp was optional-getting killed by high levels constantly makes questing unbelievably frustrating, then less than a month after making my character you go and turn a PRIME quest area into PK allowable (no matter if you want to flag/participate in pvp at all). (Hell I'm glad I killed my Osarian guards and Flame devils that hang around in passage, before your useless PK patch.)

Ps. You a-hole flamers who are gonna tell me my post sucks. You can all suck my hairy parts. YOU guys probably are the high level 100's who are hanging out there killing EVERYONE. THIS IS NOT FUN FOR NEW PLAYERS. GET OFF YOUR BUTTS AND FIX PWI PROGRAMMERS. I don't play pvp games, and wouldn't have started playing THIS game if I knew pvp was a compulsive part of this game. Especially pvp that is not fair (Level 80+ vs level 29+ players WTF? How is this fair penalizing new players?)

Sincerely pissed and yet again standing at Orchid Temple with 10 health. (Woot I love looking at loading screens) NOT.

Coleyy - Lost City

Trixa11, if you played when RageQuit was still around, you would've been more pissed.

No PKing in the SP was never a rule.
People just submitted more and more tickets to the GMs about not being able to finish their quests. The GMs did a temporary ban on anyone who PK'd in there.
Now it's a rule to make it easier on the GMs.

Ladrimali - Heavens Tear

Annalyse - Heavens Tear wrote: »

1. Why not use the arenas so all aren't forced into this and harrassed when they try to help others.

2. How are my alts supposed to ever finish level 100 spiritual cultivation without killing Silver Frost? Answer that please.

3. Except those with the weapon token quest, as they are too low to teleport in.

Flawed reasoning.

Along with this, how are the lowbies supposed to get to the Chest of Earth or whatever its called?

Vulcanella - Heavens Tear

Here is a post by frankie on a Breaking News topic:

frankieraye wrote: »

Hey all,


Due to the extremely negative feedback about the recent change to Secret Passage, the developers have agreed to revert it to its original state - the way that it was before the change.

From what I understand, the change is about to be implemented on the Chinese servers, and it will soon take place over here as well.


Thank you for all of your feedback on the matter



Update: Just wanted to be up front with you all and set a realistic expectation-

The way that we get content from China is that, instead of giving us one new thing every week or two, they wait a few weeks and then give us a bigger patch with multiple things. Doing it this way makes it easier to test and ensures a more stable client for us.

For this reason, the reversion to Secret Passage will come to us as part of one of these "content-bundles". What this means is that we will not be receiving it next week, and probably not the following week either. The patch with the reversion should be in our version in 3-4 weeks, along with some other cool new content.

So yeah, I'm sorry it has to take this long, but just know that it's on its way, and will be here within the above time-frame.


Also, some of you have asked whether we will now start punishing players for PKing in SP. The answer is that PK will still be allowed in there until it is actually changed with the patch. Remember, the change was made intentionally, so it's not like people are exploiting a bug here.


Thanks all, and let me know if you have any further questions.

DustinAshe - Dreamweaver

Vulcanella - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Here is a post by frankie on a Breaking News topic:

I cant wait til that takes place.

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary

Vulcanella - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Here is a post by frankie on a Breaking News topic:

Good quote.

Especially for the people who just want to QQ without reading any other threads...

Dr_Jeckyl - Heavens Tear

They should just make a small TOS modification to make PK in SP bannable again. PK was enabled there before and that was the "FIX".

So since it is going to take 4 weeks to physically patch, just put a small note in the login and on the forums and the problem will mostly be fixed NOW.

Is the management so dumb they can't authorize that?

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary

Dr_Jeckyl - Heavens Tear wrote: »

They should just make a small TOS modification to make PK in SP bannable again. PK was enabled there before and that was the "FIX".

So since it is going to take 4 weeks to physically patch, just put a small note in the login and on the forums and the problem will mostly be fixed NOW.

Is the management so dumb they can't authorize that?

Yes...

mcfreakie

Dr_Jeckyl - Heavens Tear wrote: »

They should just make a small TOS modification to make PK in SP bannable again. PK was enabled there before and that was the "FIX".

So since it is going to take 4 weeks to physically patch, just put a small note in the login and on the forums and the problem will mostly be fixed NOW.

Is the management so dumb they can't authorize that?

With all the testing and rolling out sales it seems 'management' is so far out of touch with the actual players they feel most players will just forget about the SP issue. I dont think they even notice new players KEEP coming forward with new threads wondering why they are being attacked on a PVE server. I am guessing 'Management' does not care they are violating their own TOS.

erhkaer

I'm just wondering that is PVP in secret passage is still allow? caused high level people keep one shot me and it always crowded in there.

Sheshka - Raging Tide

erhkaer wrote: »

I'm just wondering that is PVP in secret passage is still allow? caused high level people keep one shot me and it always crowded in there.

Yes it is still allowed at the moment. We are still waiting for the revert back to non PK enabled. Until such time you will probably continue to be plagued with 1-shot deaths.