PvP in Secret Passage is now 100% allowed!
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Mr_Punkster - Dreamweaver wrote: »ummmmm no
everyone I've sold heads to were alts not noobs
If PK was around in SP back when I was around my FB29 time I would've ended up finding a different game to play.
If you agree with PK-4-ALL in SP why are you on a PvE server?
LoLzZ_probably because my earlier post on them was right_ZzLoL
Its because THEY did all runaway from the PvP Servers, too the PvEs since they got their Cracks! Handed too Them by the High lv PRO PK's in the PvP servers, so they ranaway too mouthoff and cause b:fatb with those of us on the PvE servers, all while they FC'd their ways to Rank 9'dom behind Blue Names so they wouldn't loose their gear...b:laugh b:quiet A feat they wouldn't have achieved, had they stayed on the PvPs ~_O' ! b:chuckle
NOT the QUOTE I QUOTED PWi FORUMS, WAY too GO!! LOL I think your forums program is having a nervous breakdown on this SUBJECT
And BTW: I agree with Mr_Punkster and my original comment on this post Explains it All!!!0 -
Say, for a moment, there were two towns. In one, you were only allowed to punch anyone over the age of 18. In the other, you weren't allowed to fight except with other people that also wanted to. When you lose a fight, sometimes you have to give up one of your possessions that you worked hard for. This makes a lot of people not want to fight.
One day, the Law changes for both towns, and suddenly it's alright for everyone is allowed to go to the nearest elementary school, and punch anyone they find inside. This includes children that are just trying to learn and play with friends.
For some people that can't remember back when they were little children, they find this update to the Law fun! Yeah, punching children because I'm older and stronger!
For some people that, say, have children of their own, or perhaps help teach the children at this school, they're horrified with this change. Children don't enjoy being punched. They don't enjoy being bullied and made to beg for mercy. Sure, they're not losing their possessions or anything, like the older people do when they lose outside the school, but they aren't learning anything except that the older people are a-holes. Sure, there's some nice ones, that try to protect them, but they just end up getting punched too.
Despite what the Law says, punching children is wrong and stupid, especially when they're just there to learn. And makes you look like a **** that can't fight people your own size.
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b:surrender You can blame my sleep deprived brain for this perspective, I just couldn't get it off my mind and didn't think I'd remember when I woke back up.
For those of you that think this is an unrelated post...b:chuckle
-Two Towns = PvP and PvE
-Elementary School = Secret Passage
-Law = Original post of this Sticky
-Learn = Quest
-Children = Lower level players/alts
Okay, going back to sleep now. I wanted to post this in a new thread, but then I realized it'd just get closed.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Jeremied - Sanctuary wrote: »Say, for a moment, there were two towns. In one, you were only allowed to punch anyone over the age of 18. In the other, you weren't allowed to fight except with other people that wanted to.
One day, the Law changes for both towns, and suddenly everyone is allowed to go to the nearest elementary school, and punch anyone they find inside. This includes children that are just trying to learn.
For some people that can't remember back when they were little children, they find this update to the Law fun! Yeah, punching children because I'm older and stronger!
For some people that, say, have children of their own, or perhaps help teach the children at this school, they're horrified with this change.
Despite what the Law says, punching children is wrong and stupid, especially when they're just there to learn. And makes you look like a **** that can't fight people your own size.
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b:surrender You can blame my sleep deprived brain for this perspective, I just couldn't get it off my mind and didn't think I'd remember when I woke back up.
For those of you that think this is an unrelated post...b:chuckle
-Two Towns = PvP and PvE
-Elementary School = Secret Passage
-Law = This Sticky
-Learn = Quest
-Children = Lower level players/alts
Okay, going back to sleep now. I wanted to post this in a new thread, but then I realized it'd just get closed.
I think you can consider their little minds blown by this, sir. Excellent point, none the less.0 -
Jeremied - Sanctuary wrote: »Say, for a moment, there were two towns. In one, you were only allowed to punch anyone over the age of 18. In the other, you weren't allowed to fight except with other people that also wanted to. When you lose a fight, sometimes you have to give up one of your possessions that you worked hard for. This makes a lot of people not want to fight.
One day, the Law changes for both towns, and suddenly it's alright for everyone is allowed to go to the nearest elementary school, and punch anyone they find inside. This includes children that are just trying to learn and play with friends.
For some people that can't remember back when they were little children, they find this update to the Law fun! Yeah, punching children because I'm older and stronger!
For some people that, say, have children of their own, or perhaps help teach the children at this school, they're horrified with this change. Children don't enjoy being punched. They don't enjoy being bullied and made to beg for mercy. Sure, they're not losing their possessions or anything, like the older people do when they lose outside the school, but they aren't learning anything except that the older people are a-holes. Sure, there's some nice ones, that try to protect them, but they just end up getting punched too.
Despite what the Law says, punching children is wrong and stupid, especially when they're just there to learn. And makes you look like a **** that can't fight people your own size.
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b:surrender You can blame my sleep deprived brain for this perspective, I just couldn't get it off my mind and didn't think I'd remember when I woke back up.
For those of you that think this is an unrelated post...b:chuckle
-Two Towns = PvP and PvE
-Elementary School = Secret Passage
-Law = Original post of this Sticky
-Learn = Quest
-Children = Lower level players/alts
Okay, going back to sleep now. I wanted to post this in a new thread, but then I realized it'd just get closed.
QFT ^^
Excellently put, Jeremied0 -
i'm not reading 145 pages to try and catch up...other than the players talking has any person in charge even said 1 single thing in regards to this situation?
or they just ignoring the players as usual? I havent seen anything new from anyone in charge other than "what do ya think" and "where else would you like it?"Barbarian(Barber)=104
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Insulting people just because they have a different opinion then you doesn't make you any better.0
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Create a level 1 toon - try to go into PK mode and read the pop-up. GM's I suggest you do the same!0
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Y'know, just as an aside... PWE is, at present, still making pathetically transparent attempts to act like they wanted people to PK without penalties upon death. And yet, they already an offer a cash shop item that does that. An item which, I suspect, will never be purchased again by a PKer until this idiocy is fixed. All this from a company who, under normal conditions, routinely proves that they care more about profit than about us.
Am I the only one who finds this hilarious?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Yes, I'm still a stubborn holdout in favor of the old game. Haters gonna hate. ;]
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Ok I have a questions on SP. Even the named mob for the Spiritual cultivation has been moved outside? I did it last week, all mobs inside SP and I have 3 more toons I have to run through there.
Sorry PWI's economy sucks so bad I wont hire a body guard as WC orders us too.
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Xx_Zero_xX - Dreamweaver wrote: »move Silverfrost and Shade Eido somewhere else .... and the noobs doing fb29/bh29 use the damn illusion stone ... nuff said
Good idea, move the Mobs/Bosses/ Chests, which are needed for Quests, somewhere
else.
Its much easier, then just reopen an unused Instance, like the City Arena.
and gives also PWE the opportunity tio **** the Game up much more.
We don't have enough Bugs in this Game, anyway0 -
tigreskat1 wrote: »Ok I have a questions on SP. Even the named mob for the Spiritual cultivation has been moved outside? I did it last week, all mobs inside SP and I have 3 more toons I have to run through there.
Sorry PWI's economy sucks so bad I wont hire a body guard as WC orders us too.
b:angry
What was the question again? Can you be more accurate?
And why would you hire a body guard? how can he protct you fast enough from a 1-shot?
See PWI? Now we have mafia acting up here for extorsion money b:chuckle0 -
This one the most ridiculous changes your developers have introduced firstly bare in mind while you're trying to "mirror" the Chinese Sever this is fact is the American Sever and your players might prefer that some things remain different.
So you've gone and made the Secret Passage 100% Pkable on your PVE severs (are you seeing my point there?) Sure it's a good thing to please your PVP and Pking loving population as well as your Cash Shoppers after all they prove income to keep your severs flourishing but at what price ?
The Minority - The low levels. Blue name players, non cash shopping players and those who have quests inside there are now highly inconvenienced. I know personally I've been killed everytime attempted my quest I abandoned it, and now my Bh costs me 15000 coins per day forcefully. it's not about the money it's the fact you've taken away my choice of gettting to the portal safely the normal way since I don't like Pvping or Pking personally thats why i came to a PVE sever in the first place.
Wasn't it just easier to create an arena or a seperate zone which doesn't affect anyone else and so that those who like PVPing on your PVE severs can go there and Pk to their hearts content.
I say as well as many others will say that the low players and blue names are not the *Minority*. both sides the PKers and Non pay money to up their weapons etc...
Look at the bodies if even the Non Pkers spend per person average 50% that of the Pker we will still be both:
The largest portion of the server per person.
As well as spend per total of Pker or Non the most money to help keep the game afloat.
*Now the biggest thing to keep in mind*:
For every 10 peope that you please they might reccommend the product note in this case it is a game to their friends and aquaintances.
Where for every one person hurt, made truly mad or worse at best for the business they recommend to 10 friends, aquaintances etc... never *note the word* never to buy, use or let others use their product.
This is a well known fact in the business world ask around, for once you harm your customer base it takes years at best to overcome it.
China, as well as PWI of the America's ( English speaking world needs to keep this in mind).0 -
Annalyse - Heavens Tear wrote: »1. Why not use the arenas so all aren't forced into this and harrassed when they try to help others.
2. How are my alts supposed to ever finish level 100 spiritual cultivation without killing Silver Frost? Answer that please.
3. Except those with the weapon token quest, as they are too low to teleport in.
Flawed reasoning.
+1
dumb move PW....the dumbest move ever.....
b:angryb:infuriatedb:spitBeauty is in the eye of the beerholder b:chuckle0 -
Isnt the telestone into SP broken or did they actually fix that, several times when I was lower level i died trying to tele into Sp cos of the glitch0
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Have to add my thoughts too...this wasn't one of the more well thought out of changes by far. As it does what most have said; it seriously does a disservice to all, esp the low levels as they will never be able to defend themselves against a player 20 lvls and higher. And that is the part that is not fair and not even something that should ever have been an issue. And what does that say about those that pray on those weaker toons? Do they feel more powerful and skillful slaughtering toons 60 lvls below their own all for the sake of now being able to? What skill or ability does THAT prove, other than being bullies. I have no problem with those that enjoy to pk, but really, if you love it so much you need to be on one of the many pk servers offered to you but since you chose a non pk server to pk in follow what most have enjoyed; their group pk fests outside orchid temple as well as being able to gank us all in the cube rooms. Which is another irritation, esp when trying to get to that blasted room 38 for OHT culti. b:angry I disagree tho that they "don't have to do the quest" yes, you do or they wouldn't be a link in the spiritual cultivations we need to achieve in order to even get new skill sets and/or open our maps in instances for more spirit culti, grinding and daily quests to get whatever miniscule amounts of exp we can muster to reach the next lvl. And to ad insult to injury, the needed extra fees needed to get inside safely is just a slap. There are many places this kind of instance could have been placed and has been mentioned; even the gimmie exp fly around the world quest from elder at 1k that has you visiting each arena to inquire about them opens the door to what those are for. I hope I'm not repeating too much what has been said nor is it my intent to step on pk'er toes. To each his own I say or whatever floats your boat and doesn't sink mine; but my point is just being honorable and follow even basic courtesy and temperance...me and mine live by the golden rule as well as my motto and age old ism..."Just because you can, doesn't mean you should". So, short story long, this was a bad idea and really needs to be moved to vacant instance or make the pk ability in line with the lvl of instance in question. Just seems to be that most here don't want this instance to be used this way and is it not the case that majority rules? So these views should be considered and this put back up for further development. Thanks and yal have a great day now!
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Hideori - Lost City wrote: »PvE is still PvE, its just one single instance. its nothing bad to have one place for pvp even in pve server. PvErs also want to pk sometimes.
Yes, its not like we have Dragon Temple Raider, Cube, The rest of the regular world, OR TW for this right? Please...and yet he fails to understand there are ample places for those on a PVE server to PVP... its the harassing PK he wants to play. His game wasnt effected so he cant comprehend why ANYONE else would be upset or even should be upset cause he is in his own little world.Runelle - Harshlands wrote: »People are acting like they'll be spending all their time in SP.
Warp to your FB's and you'll be fine. You aren't going to spend your whole life in there.
I can tell by your post that you worry about you and only you in this game. You are that noob that everyone helped level up and do bosses and such but you never repaid the favor. That is ok, there are plenty of the rest of us who remember what it was like to need Dismal Shade or Silver Frost and wanted help to kill it. I of course don't spend ALL my time in SP, but I am in there quite often helping OTHER ppl which you apparently don't do; and while I'm in there I'd like to not be bothered by those who do enjoy the PK.
Being Pk'd 15 times while trying to enter an instance, isn't what I consider fun. I also doubt that any new players will consider it as such either. I know this apparently hasn't affected you, and that is wonderful. In your world only you matter, but for the rest of us that see a problem with this; we'd like you to try to come down off your perch and let us stand on the soap box a minute. This IS a problem specifically on the PvE servers.0 -
Runelle - Harshlands wrote: »People are acting like they'll be spending all their time in SP.
Warp to your FB's and you'll be fine. You aren't going to spend your whole life in there.
A quest that should take less than 2 minutes has taken 3 days and still has not been finished because I get pk'd every time I try it as well as everyone who's tried to help me. I'm a one hit kill for anyone 60 levels higher than me. At this rate, yes I will spend my whole life in there. The Token of the Seven quest starts in there and you get a new piece of it every 10 levels or so. I'm supposed to sit back and give up all that exp and rep so you can have the challenge of pk'ing low levels?
I'm so happy you people who like punching babies have a place where you can do just that. Maybe you should be asking PWI to give you some mobs of kittens and puppies to slaughter in there too.0 -
As being a leader of a faction, i just wanted to say that this idea is ridiculously stupid and you have not thought it through properly.
Everyday i have to escort low-level players from my faction through SP to get quests such as wheel of earth, Dismal Shade and Frost for Chrono just because bored high lvl PKers are standing there and killing every player that walks by.
Just now i was on my way to kill Dismal Shade for a faction member as i get randomly PK'ed on my way there as i was walking by. I had to come back, Chi up, and kill the PK'er before i could even reach Dismal. The whole process took me 10-15 minutes longer than it usualy would for a simple quest.
So my question is, why the **** would you pick a low level area to be a PK forced zone?
You think every PK'er is a gonna be so nice as to not kill low levels? You're wrong.
You're not only ruining the game for veteran players lvling their alts, but you're scaring new players away from PWI. They chose a PvE server for a reason. The reason was NOT to be PK'ed everytime they show their faces in a low lvl quest zone.
Also, fyi, due to the Tele glitch, a lot of lvl 29-49 players get killed while porting into Halls of Deception. So basically, they're screwed either way. Well done.0 -
We on "Heavens Tears" chose to come to this server because of the fact that though yes many of us understood that if we by act or error went PVP we could be killed. We also knew that this was a PVE server so we could not simply walk into our deaths because of others egos etc...
Now we are being told that we can no longer have the security of this, that we have to simply say yes the smaller group being the PKers, that they can control our lives as well. What is this the congress and the Republicans, Tea Party, Democrats?? b:chuckle
When one sells a bill of goods or a product and says you will have all of this then they change it without verifying what the majority that use it truly wants, how can anyone truly expect us not to be upset? Are all of you that expect us to simply do as we are told that is opposite of our desires truly that stupid ?
This would be like buying your favorite car, truck or bullet bike, just getting used to it and going to sleep one night. Then the next day to find that the dealer switched your bullet bike for a moped. Your hot rod car for a Yugo, and finally your favorite 4x4 for a 1960's 2 wheel drive truck with no engine.
Give us a break and understand this though long in coming up is very much similar to a bait a switch.
Will we be peod? Most definately!
Will we stop talking QQing about this? Never unless either it is fixed or we finally take ourselves and all of those we know away from PWI never to come back. Taking with us all of those monies be it $10.00 a month or $500.00 a month we may have been spending.
PWI both China and English aka Americas. Wake up before the bottom falls out of your customer base for years to come.0 -
Going from levels 1-20 are generally the most tedious levels, it usually determines whether or not a player is going to stay with that class, move on to a different class, or, quit, in this action of enabling pk mode in SP I see a few things, you've just made it incredibly harder for the nubbies that run through sp trying to level,a lot of people actually do quests to level, effectively taking away those quests (By not being able to get them done due to pk) has stunted players, pw will lose players and potential cash shoppers (this could hurt pw's wallet, oh no) As a leader of a faction, I can forsee that I or one of the higher lvl'd officers will have to escort the lower levels through, would I kill nubbies? no, but that doesnt mean everyone is like me, escorting people through, will eventually get tiresome for people, whereas pking doesn't, there will always be a pker in there, if you're gonna do this, may I suggest a lvl cap difference in pk so a lvl 100 cant attack and kill a lvl 35 Lifting this ban regardless of mirroring china was an absolutely ridiculous move good job pw0
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semperfi74 wrote: »So as I see all this, it seems that since I choose a non pvp server because at no time while playing this game did I want to be at risk of getting killed by another player only the environment, that I was misinformed as to the meaning of a PVE server. I would like to think this was due to some stupidity on the part of the people that created this game. However, this is not likely due to the fact that it takes quite a bit of intelligence and skill to pull a game like this off. Therefore I can only conclude that the Chinese people are not an honorable people as I once believed. THEY LIE, by stating that DW is a pve server then allowing someone who is not in pk mode to be killed by another player is plain and simple fraud. I can now place the chinese people in the same category as the japanese people (in my book cowards for the attack on pearl harbor). sadly my opinion doesn't count as I well know, but maybe, just maybe, someone from pwi will read this and get his feelings hurt when they realize that they have dishonored themselves by being untruthful, thus placing them in the category reserved for the the most useless of humans.... liars. Ok end of my rant,
ps I don't live near any Chinese people but the next time I see one I am just going to scream LIAR!!!! at them and walk away. and PWI is responsible.
b:mischievous Well, it has already been like being back in BASIC TRAINING this last week during b:angry! !! HELL WEEK !! !b:angry for all the characters in SP whether lower levs or their helpers.... I'm just wondering when they're gonna BREAK OUT the b:shocked !! ! TEAR GAS CHAMBERS ! !!b:spit LMAO x200!!!0 -
a gm need to go to sp and camp there themself and see the problem that going on. and see just how bad it realy is. b:avoidmy join date is off by 2 yearsb:angryb:angryb:angryb:angryb:angry0
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Bullcrap, this is not a positive fix, plenty of ways of implementing without the annoyance of lower levels, just fix the arena, NO! fixing stuff is totally out of the question, isn't it? Or how about this PVP players move to PVP servers; no that makes way too much sense, can't implement anything that makes sense either, can we? I dread each update, as it only further destroys the enjoyment of what used to be a great gaming experience. Can not believe anyone thinks this is a positive addition. I despise PvP and thus why I chose PWI and it PvE option servers. Why have them designated as PvE, if you continue to expand PvP?0
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Surekill - Heavens Tear wrote: »a gm need to go to sp and camp there themself and see the problem that going on. and see just how bad it realy is. b:avoid
I think you and I know they won't
They is too busy rolling around in our money. 0 -
we cant get certian quests done, Shade Eido, Silverfrost, Dismal Shade(which has a 2 hour time limit), wheel of earth. Fire dude and the ones you have to kill to get the item from the ghouls. I have actually stopped lvling any alts i have tha need to go through SP to get these quests done becuase on my server all anyone does is Pk the normal folks who are just trying to get there quest done. this needs to be changed or make a new area for those folks who want to practice PVPing/pking without dropping items becuase your company will lose customers with this going on. also when you pm someone about stopping pking so you can finish or do quest they just QQ more and give me the tears this is game interferrance no matter which way you look at it. this has to be one of the STUPIDEST ideas the PWI has come up with since i have started this game. just to get the wheel of earh done i got pked on my little toon 20 times come one HIgher lvls give the lower folks a chance to get there quests done!!!!!!!!!0
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The problem to many pker's qqing they want and want and want to the point they proberly drive pw insain till they get there way to be honest i have to agree on a couple people we are on a pve server not a pvp server u want to pk go on a pvp server do it all there.I hate to be rude but how in the hell low levels going todo dismo shade,and the other 2 boss if they cant get there safe?thease people have no heart pk the hell out of them and wont let them do there quest and infact frost is part of chrono so there for move the boss out put it out side so players dont have to worry about being pk unless pwi want to deal with constant tickets on a day to day basis maybe loose money a lot wont buy any gold so i understand there pist off do to the changes in any company there job is to make the players happy if it was not for the players feeding them with money every month this game would go to the dumps.As i said i dont care how there feel it is the truth i see it every day on wc players even ask me to help them in there there afraid they would get pk as soon i enter there and buffed the person 2 people gang bang me tried to pk me not 1 but toi was not in pk mode and we left im sorry unless thease jerks want to pay for another charm so be i stay.
What is this now u can also pk people in warsong i go in there nevr befor after killing the boss metal no one has ever pk any 1 another laugh on us this person decides to tick my charm and pk me i had no idea i went afk for 2 min .
My quesiont is Why is this company pushing the issue for pvp ?this server and u can correct me if iam wrong is not a pve server so there for allowing pvp now in a lot of areas is just scaring a lot of new players well if pwi wants to loose money and players people just going to find another game it's been done befor. Iam just sticking up for the low levels im tired of it watching thease players constant pk low levels to steal there stuff sell it or just be mean and pk them for there injoyment hell some players like to pk u in a group insted of 1 verse 1 they have 2 players pking 1 player i bet the gm's and mods dont see that?
They dont care is the bottom line as long as there making money they have the right to do anything they want.0 -
frankieraye wrote: »Hey all,
For our last patch, the developers decided to try something new - in keeping with the momentum of the PWIC tournament, they decided to give the players on the PW China servers a fully open PVP instance - they turned Secret Passage into a full PK zone.
Since our version almost 100% mirrors the Chinese version functionality-wise, we now have the same thing.
While this change is quite jarring, we think it will actually ultimately be a positive one, and for these reasons:
1. Players have been asking for a place to PVP without dropping gear for a long time. This new Secret Passage fulfills that role.
2. Secret Passage is not a mandatory instance for (edit: low-level) Spiritual Cultivation. Mobs needed for culti can be found just outside the instance as well.
3. Those who need to enter the Hall of Deception instance can use the various Illusion Stones in Archosaur (one is at 529,664).
So, in short, we're going to change this rule and monitor the situation. We do have a lot of high level players who would like to enter the world of PvP, and I believe that this new version of the Secret Passage will give them that opportunity.
So please let me know if you have any questions, and I'd like to mention a special thank you to KrittyCat who worked really hard to talk with and help players during this most interesting situation.
I think you should move the bosses and mobs that r not not found outside somewhere else cause this blows0 -
Surekill - Heavens Tear wrote: »a gm need to go to sp and camp there themself and see the problem that going on. and see just how bad it realy is. b:avoid
They would go there and see hardly anyone get PKed then say its not really a problem,
not understanding that hardly anyone will go there as its PK enabled now.
Don't give them a way to make another silly descision, check the polls instead.There are old Warriors, and bold Warriors,
but there are very few old bold Warriors. b:chuckle0 -
Helen Keller could do a better job monitoring the situation in SP.0
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mhhh, Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles could also do a better job monitoring the situation.
b:bye0
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