Nerf mage and psy damage, as well as soulforce

Quilue - Sanctuary

The assassin class is horribly made, so bad it's awkward. I see assassins like a kiting character. Just as a ranged character might run away if things don't go his way, assassins go stealth. I mean I will kite someone until his anti stun or invuln pill wears off, BMs will leap around to kite people, there's nothing horrifically OP with that.

The OP part about stealth is that assassins gain a spark. Going stealth should cost chi. Because stealth gaining a spark is so OP, stealth cooldown is also long, limiting assassin effectiveness in mass PvP.

Something else that's OP is that assassins have no problem getting close to an opponent, yet have a lock that is very long. I made a long rant about this in another thread. The assassin stuns should not take sparks, and they should have been much shorter, like 4s at most - similar to a veno or archer stun. Yes in a shorter stun duration assassins can still do a lot of damage, but at least that **** wouldn't last over AD. You can try to time your AD until your charm ticks with a BM in order to outlast their stun, you CAN'T do that with assassin.

Assassin chi gain is also stupidly OP. Most classes will lose if they have no chi. Chi management is a big part of any fight, but not for assassin. Skilled assassin vs equally skilled BM I'm almost certain the assassin will win, just because he can outlast the BM in chi. That's just a stupid way to win - you have to take down a stealthing character before your chi runs out, and his chi never runs out. Stupid.

In short, stealth should take chi and have a limited duration but have a shorter cooldown.

Assassin stuns should NOT take chi and have a shorter duration, but possibly also a shorter cooldown

Get rid of all their **** chi gain skills too.

krisnda

In short, stealth should take chi and have a limited duration but have a shorter cooldown.

Assassin stuns should NOT take chi and have a shorter duration.

I also think that in stealth, they shouldn't be able to use "any" skills, because it's kinda unfair that they can go stealth, wait for skills to cooldown, rebuff and kill. Just my 2 cents.

VelvetSin - Lost City

Yea, Assasins are OP (and so is all Tideborn race), but this mostly goes to 5 APS beasts. Sin with low APS isn't as terribly OP.

To people saying Stealth should take 1 Chi/second... Noticed that Inner Harmony gives 155-200 Chi every minute? To make Chi loss really matter it would have to be like 6 Chi/second and that would be freaking unfair, don't ya think? Someone said that Sins swim in the pool of Chi. I would say that 5 APS characters swim in the pool of Chi. Low APS Sins swim in the lake of Chi. 5 APS Sins swim in the ocean of Chi.

5 APS + Bloodpaint + Condensed Thorn + permanent 3x Spark = freaking OP
+12 geared Psychic + Soul skills = also freaking OP [Soul of Retaliation/Stunning isn't that bad for Venos/Mystics thou)
5 APS overally = OP for PvE

QQ1: I wanna Condensed Thorn to work for skills also.
QQ2: Nerf these freaking Tideborns a bit! [Yea, I'm rolling a Sin myself, but I admit Tideborn's being OP and don't try to negate it]
QQ3: Cap APS at 4.0/3.33

Sincerely, VelvetSin - future 0.625 APS Sage Sin

Rawrgh - Raging Tide

Yea, Assasins are OP (and so is all Tideborn race), but this mostly goes to 5 APS beasts. Sin with low APS isn't as terribly OP.

Just wait till you see a full R9 sin with sage CoD using frenzy.

VelvetSin - Lost City

Just wait till you see a full R9 Psy using Black Voodoo + Soul skills + Earth Vector.

Just wait till you see a full R9 Wiz using Undine Strike + Sage BIDS/BT.

Just wait till you see a full R9 Barb using Demon Sunder + Demon Armageddon.

Every class with full R9 is terribly powerful, not only Sins.

Shadowfire - Dreamweaver

VelvetSin - Lost City wrote: »

Just wait till you see a full R9 Psy using Black Voodoo + Soul skills + Earth Vector.

Just wait till you see a full R9 Wiz using Undine Strike + Sage BIDS/BT.

Just wait till you see a full R9 Barb using Demon Sunder + Demon Armageddon.

Every class with full R9 is terribly powerful, not only Sins.

And you know what's funny about all those other r9 classes? You can see them. They don't get a free shot to hit you that you don't have any chance to defend against. Kind of hard to domain/ig/expel to defend against a sin that's invisible.

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

It's funny how Rawrgh tried to start a troll thread about casters and it quickly changed to a QQ thread about sins.

Quilue - Sanctuary

Lets now turn the topic of this thread into this

Mendy__ - Sanctuary

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

Lets now turn the topic of this thread into this

b:laugh

BulllsEyez - Heavens Tear

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

It's funny how Rawrgh tried to start a troll thread about casters and it quickly changed to a QQ thread about sins.

yup, cause ppl who wnat to play just playing.
funny things is 5.0 DDs knows they r good for farm and dont cry when got 1shooted by magic class . They playing for farm or for fun( i rly like sin/rouges in games ) . And when they want start with pvp just making class which is good with it.
But some ppl never gave up. QQ about sqads/qq about 5.0/qq about venos. b:surrender
Some locations r good for casters and some others for aps. As sin/bm i can get nirv easy... but as sin is hard get to rb sqad cause ppl pref aoe dds like wiiz/psy/archer but i dont qq about it. If i can go with friends ok, if cant get sqad cause too big competition about spots so i do rb as bm or wizi >.>
I like all my toons but i know my sin/bm is farmer and my engame toon ll be wizi or archer not sure yet.
And most ppl doing it that way.

AND DO U RLY belive nirv is good source of coins? >.> maybe with 2x drop and 5.0 +12 sqad w/o thiefs and badluck...

TBH. from merchatnting i got daily 10x more coins then from 5.0 farm and i noticed it too late. Now i know i should invest coins in merchating not 5.0 but i like my toons so not so bad.

Also do u rly belive nerf aps ll change anything? If u dont know how to play your class cause u r too bsuy with QQ at forums then:
APS nerfed
- QQ why they takes rank+10 archers to sqads not my wizi?
- QQ why they stupid sin and bms stunluck me and killing ?
- QQ why my wizi died by psy? ( doesnt matter my wizi is tt90+3 and psy has rank9+12) thats soo not fair! nerf them!
- QQ stupid cleric killed my arcane toon >.> they should nerf plume shot.
- QQ about occult ice

If u dont like game, classes, skills , other players just find other game - better game for u

But worst thing ever is hypocrisy. whole time crying about aps and hate them, then get some aps friend and start spaming LFM BM/SIN 4+ for nirv and reject all players from 'own kind'(means other psy,wizi ..) and after all, when runs done , coins in bag bk to complain about stupid lame aps users....QQ

Do u rly belive aps life is soo great?
First u need spent tons of coins to get gears.
Then u need ref it.
Get good sqad its not so easy, lot of brainless casshopers , theifs , ppl with e-pen***s
and after all ull die in pvp anyway ( til u r not rly heavy cs, even then ll come some uber psy or wizi and smash u on ground ) and still ull get less coins then merchating

But as i said b4 most of aps dont cry. They farm 4 gears, then farm for to get coins back , they pvp - dying, farm again and again. Do u rly think farming tt or nirv is funny? Maybe 1-2 first times.
Just stop cryin and start playing pls

Rawrgh - Raging Tide

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

It's funny how Rawrgh tried to start a troll thread about casters and it quickly changed to a QQ thread about sins.(and aps)

So it basically went the same way as every single thread on these forums?

CHEAPO - Harshlands

y issit tt itz all teh carebears talking abt how broken "insert class here" is at peeeveeepeee


go pewpew mobs moar k? kthxbai

/endthread

Jette - Dreamweaver

First off. If you're gonna sit here and QQ about a magic user's DPH like you're jealous and all. Start a magic class and shut it.

Second off. If you're gonna sit here and QQ about a melee user's APS like you're jealous and all. Start a melee class and shut it.

Less QQ, moar pew pew.

All I'm saying is if you're going to have your panties in that big of a wad, quit the game and go whine to someone who cares about you less than unimportant problems.

kthnxbai.

DaKillanator - Raging Tide

I agree with Rawrgh's point, but I am going to point out one thing;

Because Wiz/Psys aren't PvE classes, making money can be pretty tough. Merchenting is always an option of course, but the fact of the matter is that bms/sins can make waaay more than wizards/psys can.

In fact I'm pretty sure that if a wizard and a bm both started with 1m, and merched/ran instances to get the amount of money they need for their endgame/5aps gears, that it would be a fairly close race. The wiz would still win because of merching, but a bm running instances all day can make enough for 5aps pretty quickly.

Rawrgh - Raging Tide

This needs to be bumped still we still have people QQing about 5 aps.

Yudai - Sanctuary

i do believe this can still be classified as a necro o.o

ResMePls - Heavens Tear

Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »

This needs to be bumped still we still have people QQing about 5 aps.

1)Troll less

2)Nobody cares about psychics or wizards

3)I don't know what else to say

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Joshcja - Sanctuary

TBH this thread could be considered even more revelant after the CC nerf

Yup that still pisses me off

_blood_rain - Sanctuary

I just think r9 weapon damage should be nerfed in general o.o

Risingson - Lost City

Rawrwhateverthefckyournameis, you are completely clueless.

Decus - Dreamweaver

Yudai - Sanctuary wrote: »

i do believe this can still be classified as a necro o.o

Indeed

Ceiba - Sanctuary

This has to be implemented b4 magic dmg is nerfed:

-Int should be removed from every single weapon past 90 (including nirvana and lunar), TT99 armor bonues regarding -int should now require 4 pieces instead of 2, normal attacks should give 1 chi and single/double/triple sparks have a shared 3 minutes cool down, also R9 weapon should cancel all -int bonues and every single -0,1 should be nerfed to -0,5 every single nirvana boss should have a 200% random bramble and fist/claw/dagger damage should be reduced to half and assassin stealth should consume 1 silver per minute.

If that is accomplished then yes magic damage should be nerfed, until then NO period b:bye

Kenpak - Dreamweaver

look up D_A_O on dreamweaver youll laugh and smile

Manostra - Harshlands

So lets summerize

Mages , Psychics good for TW and not so good for PVE

Sins = PVE Gods, Decent pvp and not that good for TW

********************************************************

You spend your time in pwi about

90% PVE
9%-10% PVP
0%-1% TW (Fictional Numbers)

?????????????

Hard choice hard choice

Arganoth - Lost City

Nerfing Wizards is a ****ing **** idea. Go die in a fire you clueless moron.

Traz - Dreamweaver

Lets make all the classes underpowered at everything and change the whole spectrum of QQ threads then b:pleased

Boogiepanda - Raging Tide

I think all rank weapons should be nerfed by 20% in general.

GohRaL - Sanctuary

I dont remember when happened, but R9 soulforce of psy has been nerfed...

Revenge - Raging Tide

Arganoth - Lost City wrote: »

Nerfing Wizards is a ****ing **** idea. Go die in a fire you clueless moron.

yes because at +12 r9 a wizzy can 1shot anything that moves. even at +10 r8 it can *** most things up in ease. but its completly not op pvp wise lmao

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

nvm necro