if PWCN nerfed APS... does PWI have to follow???

_Spot_ - Lost City · December 2010

I got rejected from bh 2 /wave two GV cause i am a sin and they wanted an archer....

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OP archers.... nerf them nawwwwwb:victory

ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver · December 2010

Razorburn - Dreamweaver wrote: »

If your - insert- class- an you have great gear, honestly dont think you are unwanted in any squad .

r9 +12 = 5aps deicides +3 in terms of dps.

Born_Free - Harshlands · December 2010

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

They do have to implement certain PWCN changes though, such as economy fixing one e.g. the dq price drop.

Quoted for 1000000000000% truth.

Looks like PWI-CN isn't such a puppetmaster after all....considering all the changes that CN kept, that for some reason, you decided to remove.

Wanna explain that one Frankie darling?

.......When they nurf 5.0, I will come back and take the game somewhat seriously again. Who knows, I might go back on my Barb again....

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 · December 2010

We don't actually have our own version of PW. There is no development done for PWI directly. We have the PW-CN version localized into english. This means there is no seperate code or anything. When changes get pushed onto PW-CN they come here a couple weeks later.

Why do you think the last maintenance had no patch? We caught up with the PW-CN version that was right before the expansion. There are now no longer any patches to apply between the one we currently have and Genesis.

I thought that would happen since we were only weeks behind PW-CN yet were slated to get the expansion months after.

Born_Free - Harshlands · December 2010

That still doesn't explain the holes that are in PWI that aren't in PW-CN, Aster-Chan. :<

Conavar - Heavens Tear · December 2010

Mekkhala - Lost City wrote: »

I'm wondering if people going 5aps has actually resulted in PW making more money. Sure, they make money while the person is gearing up for it, but after the person has accomplished 5aps, would they? The amount of farming/moneymaking a 5aps char can do is crazy. Just curious...

Ofc they do .. even if it's only indirectly Ie: buying Gold or Cash shop/event Items from other players. They help feed the need for such items and make a market for them.

UntamedFreak - Lost City wrote: »

i dont think any barb will QQ when 5aps is nerfed b:pleased

But the other 5 Squad members will when the Barb can't hold agro for **** vs R8/9 weapons b:chuckle

Eoria - Harshlands · December 2010

Born_Free - Harshlands wrote: »

That still doesn't explain the holes that are in PWI that aren't in PW-CN, Aster-Chan. :<

Explain these holes, please. This will be very entertaining.

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 · December 2010

Born_Free - Harshlands wrote: »

That still doesn't explain the holes that are in PWI that aren't in PW-CN, Aster-Chan. :<

What holes?

Tigriss_o - Raging Tide · December 2010

Born_Free - Harshlands wrote: »

That still doesn't explain the holes that are in PWI that aren't in PW-CN, Aster-Chan. :<

Actually it does. In the process of localizing the patches/client some things got knocked out of whack. Maybe an accidental keystroke or something. Don't take much to really **** with a program. One misplaced period alone can wreak havoc.

Evict - Heavens Tear · December 2010

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

What holes?

That's what she said! amirite?

Akame_Iga - Dreamweaver · December 2010

Well it is none offense meant to anyone who has or whatever.. my own archer is slowly moving up in aps too.

But with everyone going aps alike.. we forget one thing.. this is a RPG after all which mean roleplaying game.. it mean each class should have there role of whatever they want to do in a group in a figure of speech.

It in end game rate classes unuseable due to not being exact int build up for an instance.. and also allow way to much soloing in various places that is supposed to be group only unless if to many lvls higher than the instance.

We don't actually get to play the game if we do not use our actual classes and there full potentials as well... just **** and slash with some fists.. yes doing it myself too on my archer.. pew pew pew FC done...

Well nerf APS or render APS classes useless to tank any high rated boss in game or something that has good drops or a chance for a good drop that is highly sought and by that bring back the spirit of actually playing a roleplaying game that it is supposed to be and make the game really unfold itself.

Dunno if I sound unreasonable... dunno how many who would quit playing.. I even find it stupid myself that my Archer get to tank what he is doing now and then unless someone is doing higher damage or whatever... shaping and maybe forcing classes into being what they are supposed to be is maybe not a bad thing over all.. anyhow it is just me thinking about stuff and such and no bad feelings meant about it either.

Fresh_Aire - Dreamweaver · December 2010

Tigriss_o - Raging Tide wrote: »

Actually it does. In the process of localizing the patches/client some things got knocked out of whack. Maybe an accidental keystroke or something. Don't take much to really **** with a program. One misplaced period alone can wreak havoc.

I think the holes she's talking about are....

1.) China's servers have stamps beyond Disaster Valley. PWI does not.
2) Everybody else's maps for TW were reset for the Tideborn Expansion. Our version didn't.
3.) PW-CN sales seem to not kick the economy in the crotch like ours. Gold there hasn't honestly been that high if you check their forums, I think it's around 700k now, but their sale is almost over for Rank now. I'd have to refind the link and translate again....which will take me a while since I'm taking Chinese online.

And if it were such an accident, and PWI is supposed to follow the same protocol as PW-CN....why hasn't this stuff been fixed yet? What could possibly be keeping them from overseeing these errors? Why is it that PWI decides to input only certain things into our version from China, but not others? These seem to be very small errors that have been overlooked....so why haven't they been talked about, or repaired?

It's not as if we haven't been pointing this out or anything! It's not like they don't have the funds to do so, as Born pointed out....after all if they have all this money to make Forsaken World, why is it they don't magically have money to fix THIS game? It's a little confusing, the logic behind that....

I'm going to see if I can translate that forum thread about 5.0....I'm curious now to see if they really are nurfing APS....I'm sure if they do, it's not going to go over well for everybody who spent money on it. It will give Barbarians and Casters besides clerics a spot in large instances though.

Weren't archers the ones who were allowed 5.0 in the old versions of the game, back before the genies came out? I thought it was because they had a disadvantage that other classes didn't with LA so they were given quicker attacks.....At least that's how it was explained to me...

Darksylph - Heavens Tear · December 2010

Fresh_Aire - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I think the holes she's talking about are....

1.) China's servers have stamps beyond Disaster Valley. PWI does not.
Mylasia has them beyond Disaster Valley, they are licensed. China had them, but removed them as well, and that change came to PWI
2) Everybody else's maps for TW were reset for the Tideborn Expansion. Our version didn't.
Licensee's decisions dont matter. China had a map reset due to a server hardware upgrade that couldnt transfer the data for some reason. The timing happened to coincide with Tideborn release, but it wasnt actually due to Tideborn release.
3.) PW-CN sales seem to not kick the economy in the crotch like ours. Gold there hasn't honestly been that high if you check their forums, I think it's around 700k now, but their sale is almost over for Rank now. I'd have to refind the link and translate again....which will take me a while since I'm taking Chinese online.
China has laws specifically prohibiting gambling type packs in online gaming (they have alot of online gaming laws). The U.S. does not have such laws. So PW looks at our version as the way to make money from gambling, since they cant in the home version. Cash Shop management & translation are the 2 things that do vary between PWI & PW-CN

/5char

Eoria - Harshlands · December 2010

Darksylph - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Stuff.

1. MY has not had stamps in 69+ beyond those you get in trophy mode for years now. Same for CN.
3. There are packs in CN. They just aren't quite like ours.

DaKillanator - Raging Tide · December 2010

Lingzi - Lost City wrote: »

PW CN decided to take away sage/demon spark in stealth, n PWI followed tat.
Demon/Sage spark in stealth was horribly OP, sins were ripping even equal geared barbs to shreds

now PW CN is gonna nerf aps, PWI seems like its gonna follow tat too.
There are definite ups and downs with aps, so I wont get into it.

just look at FW, its now on beta testing phase.... whats the reason for beta testing? to explore all the glitches n other negative aspects of the game.....

n yea, testers r doing their job n are reporting. but PWE dont seem to make any changes, why? becos FW CN hasnt changed anything yet. PWE will only make changes when its CN company make changes. tat totally takes away the reason of carrying out beta testing phases.
But we're just stupid (mostly) american people that wouldnt know anything about making a western game b:shutup Leave the "westernization" of FW to the easterners

PWI n PW CN r played by different people, shouldnt changes n nerfs in game be different as well?
They should, but that takes effort, and effort=cash

look at tat TW payment situation
Ugh the TW changes...that was gracefully handled by the PWI staff b:surrender
But ultimately, less coins being generated by TW payout= more incentive to cashop, so...

PWI either doesnt have a choice to follow PW CN or not (since we're owned by PW CN), or they simply are using the marketing techniques that the Chinese employed that sucessfully sucked the player base dry of any extra spending money.

DaKillanator - Raging Tide · December 2010

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

1. MY has not had stamps in 69+ beyond those you get in trophy mode for years now. Same for CN.
2. There are packs in CN. They just aren't quite like ours.

fixedb:cute

threepointone · December 2010

DaKillanator - Raging Tide wrote: »

fixedb:cute

Lol, nice one.

ICEsmoke - Harshlands · January 2011

Whens the last time i saw a Sin use more then 2 skills in a pk fight hmmm maybe if ya talking about a lvl 50-90 sin, now whens the last time i saw a BM stun lock (with out ocult Ice) use more than 2 weps and not just use fists and axe hmmm about 5 months ago PPL are losing the plot in this game and losing there skill to actually win a fair fight with out aps ... kill that aps shet and lets get back to some real PVP when the mage was the main target

Bryanshrimp - Lost City · January 2011

from a caster pnt of view (ep/veno) : nerf aps and i may quit. aps makes everything go faster, i usually tell the barb to devour and let agro go where it will, its easier to keep the aps alive if it tanks than if it dds.

Another pnt i've made before: I dont mind caster in squads at all, often a wiz is great dd, however: casters rarely put the time/coins into gear that the aps does, put 150 mil+into a caster and get some decent hp and I'll let any caster come, venos=amp your welcome to nv with me.

Jay_Dubbz - Lost City · January 2011

The only reason we have such an aps problem is because of packs. So, I don't feel it is necessary to nerf that. I think PWE just really needs to sit down and either adjust packs or take them out of the game completely. Packs have lead to alotta problem in this game and the aps problem is just one of them. They make it too easy to get end game gear. I mean really theres no effort in spending money buying packs and randomly getting rare in game gear. I just never could accept that **** lol. Seriously, with enough real life cash, a lvl 10 could buy a bunch of packs and get end game gear that's better than lvl 100+ people. Also, I can't believe that PWE would allow power to be bought through the cash shop. I just don't think its right to basically sell gear through the cash shop( they say they dont but bs is bs).

I find it funny that recently they also had the nerve to release Frost Gear into the Cash shop. I mean cmon Frosts cases that contain random frost gear seriously -___-

Vratix - Archosaur · January 2011

This is what we do...we take the asians as our slaves and make them give us billions
MUHAHAHAHb:angryb:angryb:angry

Mooy - Heavens Tear · January 2011

Please don't be racist to us.

If Wanmei nerf it, I think we do need to follow it like TW and others. But I don't think they will nerf it. It will be unfair to the people who spend a lot of money on it and it turn out got nerfed. If they want to fix it, they need to rise mag classes' damage.

Quinnie - Heavens Tear · January 2011

Finra - Sanctuary wrote: »

Its horrible to see a barb with Deicides... somewhat disturbing; just to fit into the 'trend' of 5 aps.. -_-... If everyone followed the trend then there's no such thing as "class" because everyone would be going for either claws or fists n they won't be using any skills of their class... therfore +1 to this I also believe its ruining the game. Not to mention there are also ppl who ditch squads that don't have a 5 aps... or keep asking what your aps is before letting you join a squad........ *sigh*...

i got a 5.0 barb myself and i didnt made it 5.0 to fit the trend originally i didnt rly wanted to make it 5.0 but when ur starting to feel more like a buff puppet in squads it can give you a whole new world of fun. i still fight with axes alot but for tanking parts its easier to tank as 5.0 then trying to hold aggro with FR. and ive never heard ppl complain where ive been in squads with when they found out my barb is 5.0. time = money. it saves them also time to get instances done wich cost them less repairs less pots/charm/ammo/etc..

the only 5.0 that you could consider as OP are sins they can sorta solo any instance.

and archers should stick at their bow ^^ my sage arch is almost pure dex and i can outhit 3,33's with normal hits and if sparked even 5.0 at the beginning.

casters arent weak. try vsing a well played psych their hits are just highly painfull and their self buffs are a pain in the ***. cleric/wizzy's aint weak either their att is also high. and they can be tough to kill. veno's might be left behind a bit at some things but still they are the cheapest class to play and they can solo alot of things aswell if u grind or invest $ for herc.

you cant always be very tough to kill and a massive killing machine at once (unless you spend lots of $ and/or luck/time).

and nerving 5.0 would also affect the market directly. so be carefull what you wish for.

_blood_rain - Sanctuary · January 2011

I think the simplest way to tell whether or not pwi will follow though a change made in the pw-cn version is to think like the management.

Ask yourself "will this encourage people to cash shop more?"

People blow lots of money on aps, so my best guess on this would be that they won't nerf it.
unfortunatly....

Exegesis - Heavens Tear · January 2011

Mooy - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Please don't be racist to us.

If Wanmei nerf it, I think we do need to follow it like TW and others. But I don't think they will nerf it. It will be unfair to the people who spend a lot of money on it and it turn out got nerfed. If they want to fix it, they need to rise mag classes' damage.

When did the developers ever care about anything to be fair for the players? As long as they get cash they will not nerf the APS.. they will lose too many players and money on it for it to be nerfed. Maybe one day they will do some stupid **** just for people to focus on their newer games.

Conavar - Heavens Tear · January 2011

Mooy - Heavens Tear wrote: »

If they want to fix it, they need to rise mag classes' damage.

b:shocked

That increase would only work if it was PvE only since Mag classes hit hard enough in PvP anyway so any increase there would make an unbalance.

Silest - Sanctuary · January 2011

yes please..lots of people aren't having fun in the game because of APS..

Hhlolz - Harshlands · January 2011

sins ruined pvp, not 5 aps.b:surrender

You could say that 5.0 aps doesnt need to be nerfed because in pvp its not overpowered at all, especially if archer or barb.

I think making claws/fist usable by BMs only would be a better thing to do.
Its easy to drop 5 aps without even getting hit, so even if they had 50 aps it would make no difference, sins are a total different story though.

However, 5.0 aps is very OP in pve, a BM should not be able to solo HH, this should require a full squad including a barb.
Whats the point of playing barb nowadays?

And removing packs right now is a joke pretty much, 99% sure you already have ur full interval set, because its pretty hard to reach 5.0 without easy mode packs.

And lolwat? give caster classes more dmg? whats the point if we die before even having a chance to hit? better give us some more hp/pdef...b:surrender

Fix sins, not 5.0 aps.b:cute

ZoanoAce - Lost City · January 2011

Hhlolz - Harshlands wrote: »

sins ruined pvp, not 5 aps.b:surrender

Sensible stuff

Fix sins, not 5.0 aps.b:cute

If this isnt true, u r all blindb:thanks

PS: Further more, b4 any witty comment is made on my post, what were ppl still saying b4 the TB release?
Axes ftw, fists gtfo >:o
-interval gear increases aps and dps, lolwut?

WillowGirl - Dreamweaver · January 2011

Okay, so basically I read the first post and the last page of posts because, really? This topic has tooooo many pages!

Nerf 5.0, take packs out, 5.0 isn't the problem, sins are, people will stop cash shopping if 5.0 is nerfed, 5.0 isn't OP in PvP, only in PvE (excuse me, you must not TW or something because one of my closest friends in a rival faction regularly pwns my rear-end in TW with his 5.0 madness), yadda yadda.

First of all, duh, whatever PWCN does, PWI will do - we are like PWCN children being raised on the go-ahead-and-open-just-one-more-pack religion. As children, we have no say in these things, PWCN will just download whatever they feel like straight to our brains and we have no choice but to accept it or go find another game to get ripped off by. This isn't junior high school and PWI isn't choosing to follow the popular PWCN kids. PWI has no say as to the content of the game we play - they get their updates and **** from PWCN and they click "install" or whatever (idk how this **** works, winging it here....)

So we nerf 5.0 and all the cash shoppers will QQ and... what? Stop spending cash? Doubtful. There is a level of addiction involved here and most of us gotta get our fix. You think I QQ'd when the rank sale came on? Heck no, I waited patiently for that deposit to post and used my atm debit card to buy myself rank 8 instead of saying "Oh nooooes, all the rank 8s and 9s are gonna beat me up now!" I had so many people tell me they were quitting, and some did, but the majority just went on with the game, either with some new rank gear or without. And they still beat me up... it just hurts even more now b:cry

Nerfing 5.0 for PvE? Boy, that'll **** us ALL, better believe it. Those TT mats you dream of having but can only find in the AH because there's no way in H-E-double hockey sticks that you can farm them... guess what, nerf 5.0 and NO ONE can farm them so you won't even have the hopes of being able to afford one of those stupid expensive mats some day. It's 5.0 that make some impossible things just barely possible. (Blame PWCN for that one, too, **** TT like they did...)

Take away packs? What you been smoking? Awesome idea, take away packs so those gears you can ONLY get from packs will fall out of the market completely, crushing the hopes and dreams and goals of hundreds, if not thousands, of players. I didn't get my "pack" gears from packs, my friends. I got them by farming Nirvana until my eyelids melted shut from lack of sleep and selling my hard-earned drops for coins to be able to afford 40- and 50-million coin items.

Go ahead, take away packs, hey JoeSchmoe (name is not that of a character known to me, so sorry if a real JoeSchmoe is out there), guess what! You been working for weeks, farming your butt off, and you've finally earned enough for that Lunar Wing Trophy you want sooo bad! Oh, wait... there aren't any... because someone thought it would be brilliant to remove packs from the game instead of nerfing 5.0... Oh look, you're dead, killed by a 5.0 with a lunar cape bwahahahaaha...

Oh and... if they wanna nerf 5.0, they will, and not give a hoot about it. They've already gotten all that pretty cash from all the people who couldn't stand not being 5.0 for a second longer and spent their life savings to get it... And then they'll give those people something new to buy and dingdingding goes the coin into PWE's bank b:victory

I am an archer.

I do not have 5.0. (Though I did recently achieve 1.0 with Wind Shield cast on me b:dirty)

I will very likely never have 5.0 and I'm a-okay with that.

I would be oh so very sad if a large part of my friends did NOT have 5.0 - I get in some of the awesomest Nirvana squads b:kiss

This thread has too many pages.

The end.

EDIT!!!

BTW Hhlolz has the BEST siggy, I seriously LOL'd and almost woke the grumpy veno hubby!

I shall quote it now just to read it again:

mantustr:
"So how about you actually put the items I want up for sell and actually let me buy it? Because I aint spending ~edited~ on 15 tokens any more. How about I start paying you in tokens ~edited~. Every paypal $ I send has a .00000003 chance to pay you a real dollar. How the ~edited~ your starving ~edited~ children like that?"

Brilliance.

if PWCN nerfed APS... does PWI have to follow???

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