Unofficial Guide to the Earthguard

xmuzik

and lupumid you should really update this, I mean a lot of people contributed with a lot of info and vids...

the summon is stronger depending on your armor or weapon?! hmm interesting (but I dont believe it). ok so test it, attack a mob and remeber the pets dmg, the mobs dmg, the pets hp and all the other info you can get, take off the armor and weapon and attack the same mob. if the pet does less dmg, or the mob does more dmg (pet has less mag. and phy. res.) or you notice the pet has less HP or something then yes the armor makes a difference.

btw so are the mystics as good solo as venos? or even better? can a lvl 19 mystic tank FB19? (by that I mean the untamed, elf or human FB19, whitch are a lot harder than TB FB19 miniboss or earthguard FB19 miniboss)

I want to see a mystic do something what a veno couldnt do at the said lvl (all though I guess I already did see that when the mystic solod krixxix...a non-herced 40 veno wouldnt do that...but still something else, I wanna see how strong they areb:victory

Myrrmidonna - Dreamweaver

From what I've seen here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JDwQ6j6YhU
while soloing Krixxix the mystic was:
1. initial phase - summon smashed just like a golem would be, but myst managed to get some aggro for herself
2. gaining some more aggro via damage skills, while keeping herself healed. Kirxx uses his ranged magic
3. getting summon out and making him deal some damage while eeping aggro on herself and healing herself
4. when summon finally gets aggro, go to point 2, repeat.
It does work, but takes an awful amount of time, and I wouldn't like to count all the pots/pharmas/whatever she's used up in the process.

It was possible because: (speculations)
1. mystie's healing abilities (btw, does mystie's heal over time skill stacks like IH?)
2. high m-def of mystie - plus buffs?
3. summon's low aggro generation
4. not having to revive the summon

My questions:
1. Do you think a cleric with maxed m-def could be able to do that as well? Healing him/herself while doing some damage from time to time when IH stack get's high enough? If yes, it would sure take a whole lot of time, but this did, too.
2. Do you think a veno (AA, m-atk oriented) with ranged pet (not on the lvl of 40, of course, but let's say 41, or 43 for next pet heal) skilled for survivability could do it?

Edit:
just for comparison:
at lvl 43 (LA build) with freshly caught lvl 41 eldergoth for ranged-tanking I've soloed the goshiki quest miniboss meant for lvls 60+ (yeah, I know, I just went after wrong boss, not mermaid but assassin - too bad for them having same names). It took me over 20 minutes and I couldn't move my finger from heal pet button, and I've drunk some potions - not that many, just enough to keep mana for pet heal. I first tried my golem on him and I remember it being crunched just as fast as under Krixx (3-4 heals and dead). I've never tried ranged-tanking on Krixx, though, got him done a lot earlier, before I got to ranged-tanking level.

Laranda - Heavens Tear

Myrrmidonna - Dreamweaver wrote: »

1. Do you think a cleric with maxed m-def could be able to do that as well? Healing him/herself while doing some damage from time to time when IH stack get's high enough? If yes, it would sure take a whole lot of time, but this did, too.

I think so, but I don't remember if it's ever been done.

Myrrmidonna - Dreamweaver wrote: »

2. Do you think a veno (AA, m-atk oriented) with ranged pet (not on the lvl of 40, of course, but let's say 41, or 43 for next pet heal) skilled for survivability could do it?

Probably depends upon the pet.

I do know a veno can tank Krixx. I've seen one do that with a Cleric healing. I don't think I've ever seen a veno solo him though.

Mayfly - Dreamweaver

One of my clerics soloed Suzerix at 43, so I wouldn't be at all surprised if a good cleric could solo Krixxix at level.

One of my venos soloed Krixxix at um... 45? with a vanilla eldergoth marksman... at least until some high level got bored waiting and finished Krixxix off. Took much longer than a cleric would have taken.

Maragon - Dreamweaver

Mayfly - Dreamweaver wrote: »

One of my clerics soloed Suzerix at 43, so I wouldn't be at all surprised if a good cleric could solo Krixxix at level.

One of my venos soloed Krixxix at um... 45? with a vanilla eldergoth marksman... at least until some high level got bored waiting and finished Krixxix off. Took much longer than a cleric would have taken.

mine was able to do krixxix and chin at abt 43-44 with a normal marksman but yea takes forever.

Lupumid - Sanctuary

xmuzik wrote: »

and lupumid you should really update this, I mean a lot of people contributed with a lot of info and vids...

the summon is stronger depending on your armor or weapon?! hmm interesting (but I dont believe it). ok so test it, attack a mob and remeber the pets dmg, the mobs dmg, the pets hp and all the other info you can get, take off the armor and weapon and attack the same mob. if the pet does less dmg, or the mob does more dmg (pet has less mag. and phy. res.) or you notice the pet has less HP or something then yes the armor makes a difference.

btw so are the mystics as good solo as venos? or even better? can a lvl 19 mystic tank FB19? (by that I mean the untamed, elf or human FB19, whitch are a lot harder than TB FB19 miniboss or earthguard FB19 miniboss)

I want to see a mystic do something what a veno couldnt do at the said lvl (all though I guess I already did see that when the mystic solod krixxix...a non-herced 40 veno wouldnt do that...but still something else, I wanna see how strong they areb:victory

I acknowledged everyone that contributed in the beginning. It's really hard to update this because no english speaking person i know of has gotten past 47. The pet functions just like a venos pet, except you level it up as a skill (1-10). Gear and armor make no difference to your summons attack. Also a mystics heal pet levels up alot faster than a venos (every 5 levels opposed to venos 10) which is why a mystic can solo krixxix at 40. Also the level 7 summon has a 5 second (@ lvl 10) stun.

Lupumid - Sanctuary

Myrrmidonna - Dreamweaver wrote: »

It was possible because: (speculations)
1. mystie's healing abilities (btw, does mystie's heal over time skill stacks like IH?)
No
2. high m-def of mystie - plus buffs?
Mystic has a stone barrier of sort, giving 80% phys resistance at level 10
3. summon's low aggro generation
If it uses skills it gets great aggro

Answers in red.

SomebodyTwo - Lost City

Myrrmidonna - Dreamweaver wrote: »

From what I've seen here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JDwQ6j6YhU
while soloing Krixxix the mystic was:
1. initial phase - summon smashed just like a golem would be, but myst managed to get some aggro for herself

I got aggro as soon as my pet died.

Myrrmidonna - Dreamweaver wrote: »

2. gaining some more aggro via damage skills, while keeping herself healed. Kirxx uses his ranged magic

I actually didn't do that much damage, which is why my pet kept taking aggro from me and dieing.

Myrrmidonna - Dreamweaver wrote: »

3. getting summon out and making him deal some damage while keeping aggro on herself and healing herself

That's right.

Myrrmidonna - Dreamweaver wrote: »

4. when summon finally gets aggro, go to point 2, repeat.

Again my met dieing gave me lots of aggro which the constant DD from my pet would burn through and then die repeating the process


Basically what happened was I realized that I could tank the mag damage so I just kept healing myself. As for the pet I knew I couldn't keep him alive so I focused on keeping myself alive and the boss debuffed so my pet could do good dd. The problem was every so often my pet would get aggro, take a hit and die which would then give me back aggro so I would re-summon and the cycle would repeat.

Myrrmidonna - Dreamweaver wrote: »

It does work, but takes an awful amount of time, and I wouldn't like to count all the pots/pharmas/whatever she's used up in the process.

25, restoring 1k mp each, and some hp, restoring 500 each to augment my healing

Myrrmidonna - Dreamweaver wrote: »

2. high m-def of mystie - plus buffs?

At the time buffed my metal/earth/fire def was 1768, my wood def was 1808, and my water def was 2026. Phys def was 241 b:surrender


Oh and one more thing

Lupumid - Sanctuary wrote: »

[...]no english speaking person i know of has gotten past 47.

I'm Level 48 b:victory

Maithal - Harshlands

Lupumid - Sanctuary wrote: »

I acknowledged everyone that contributed in the beginning. It's really hard to update this because no english speaking person i know of has gotten past 47. The pet functions just like a venos pet, except you level it up as a skill (1-10). Gear and armor make no difference to your summons attack. Also a mystics heal pet levels up alot faster than a venos (every 5 levels opposed to venos 10) which is why a mystic can solo krixxix at 40. Also the level 7 summon has a 5 second (@ lvl 10) stun.

then i wonder why there are two screen shots here: http://w2i.178.com/201012/86383285467.html one with gear and one with out gear and differant stats on the summoned.

P.S mooy originally posted it on page 192

Mooy - Heavens Tear

SomebodyTwo - Lost City wrote: »

Hm I know its stats improve when it levels up and when you level the skill but I haven't seen any other change. Although I suppose I might have missed something though lol it IS in Chinese after all lol b:surrender

You can give us a screenshot. Me and other Chinese can translate those.

Derressh - Dreamweaver

Maithal - Harshlands wrote: »

then i wonder why there are two screen shots here: http://w2i.178.com/201012/86383285467.html one with gear and one with out gear and differant stats on the summoned.

P.S mooy originally posted it on page 192

b:shocked That's just awesome.

Nice to know that mystic pets get stronger from your refines too. Wonder what kind of refines that mystic had. 13k hp.

SomebodyTwo - Lost City

Maithal - Harshlands wrote: »

then i wonder why there are two screen shots here: http://w2i.178.com/201012/86383285467.html one with gear and one with out gear and differant stats on the summoned.

P.S mooy originally posted it on page 192

I just confirmed it, YOUR gear effects your summons stats. ( b:angry )
I believe the correlation is that anything that boosts your defense, attack, HP, or mp, does the same to your summon. For example my summon's base attack at level 48 was 750, with a level 44 magic sword from the npc it was 901.

Accuracy and evasion stay constant and are not effected by gear.

EDIT: Also refines matter, I refined my weapon to +1 and my summons attack went up to 906.

Derressh - Dreamweaver wrote: »

b:shocked That's just awesome.

Nice to know that mystic pets get stronger from your refines too. Wonder what kind of refines that mystic had. 13k hp.

Also note that her weapon is the warsoul glavie....

Oh and one more thing, in that pic the summon has just under twice the hp of a lvl 100 herc!
Lower defense of course but when you combine that with the fact that the mystic pet heal heals (a certain amount +) 30% of the pets hp....

Of course the catch is that the gear in the pic is worth several billion coins... but still

Lupumid - Sanctuary

Maithal - Harshlands wrote: »

then i wonder why there are two screen shots here: http://w2i.178.com/201012/86383285467.html one with gear and one with out gear and differant stats on the summoned.

P.S mooy originally posted it on page 192

This picture is fake. First of all the flyer is in the wrong place AND Genesis has a new window skin, it's light blue, you'll see it in my many screenshots.

Mooy - Heavens Tear

There are many threads said summon affect by caster's stats. Summon's stats are base on character, and summon's skills lvl are base on skill lvl.

Laranda - Heavens Tear

SomebodyTwo - Lost City wrote: »

I just confirmed it, YOUR gear effects your summons stats. ( b:angry )
I believe the correlation is that anything that boosts your defense, attack, HP, or mp, does the same to your summon. For example my summon's base attack at level 48 was 750, with a level 44 magic sword from the npc it was 901.

Accuracy and evasion stay constant and are not effected by gear.

EDIT: Also refines matter, I refined my weapon to +1 and my summons attack went up to 906.

Is it pulling the exact stats? Like, if you equip heavy armor, would it have massive pdef compared to a mystic with arcane?

This whole thing kinda makes sense. If they pulled the concept from JD's Arden, it would transfer the summoners stats and put them onto the summon. That's how arden's work.

Mooy - Heavens Tear

Maybe because they are all skills summon not pet? I notice a lot of people get mix up between summon and pet. Summon is a skill. Like JD and other games that have summoner. Pet level on their own, they get their own exp and such.

Aurores - Heavens Tear

Lupumid - Sanctuary wrote: »

This picture is fake. First of all the flyer is in the wrong place AND Genesis has a new window skin, it's light blue, you'll see it in my many screenshots.

did you forget that in Genesis you can choose to switch between the old and new UI skins before logging in on your char? maybe the person who made that screenshot preferred the old UI b:bye

SomebodyTwo - Lost City

Aurores - Heavens Tear wrote: »

did you forget that in Genesis you can choose to switch between the old and new UI skins before logging in on your char? maybe the person who made that screenshot preferred the old UI b:bye

I just double checked and that's true that you can change the UI from the log-in screen.

obliviondemon

gaaaaa i downloaded the chines game from here http://w2i.wanmei.com/ and registred but after that the game dosent work i dont know why

can any one please help me

EDIT: here are 2 screenshot :

for the client :



for the 2 updates i downloaded but when i open them thay dosent do anything

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/2984/30401571.png

i dont know do i have to open a new third and post my problem there ?

xmuzik

Aurores - Heavens Tear wrote: »

did you forget that in Genesis you can choose to switch between the old and new UI skins before logging in on your char? maybe the person who made that screenshot preferred the old UI b:bye

its not that that caught my attention...the mystic is lvl 100 O.o are there such high lvl mystics already?! I agree, it looks a bit fake to me...

xmuzik

AHAHAHA OMG THIS IS FUNNY, so there WILL be mystics that are stronger than herced venos, not many of them ofc, but it will be possible...NICE GOING PW...dumb dummies...grrr I didnt believe it that they could actually do something like that, but apparetly they did...or will do to be precise...so yeah, they will be able to pull so thats one role of a veno they will replace, and no pet res needed, no feeding either, auto-lvling and actually able to be stronger than any veno pet...I hate you PW, I really didnt believe that you would replace someone like this, hard enough to be a veno, Ill never get a herc at these prices, and now it looks like I wont even try to...b:angryb:angryb:angryb:angry

anwynd

think of it this way you only have to spend about 200 bucks for a herc well they will have to spend well over tht to get nice refines to get better then herc summons(so cant w8 to play a mystic)

Sekmeth - Raging Tide

Herc is 200 bucks only if you don't know when to buy it. If your IQ is over 1 Herc is cheaper, even half with good planning ahead.

So mystic summons work kinda psy soulforce, kinda nice. A veno ungimped by pet, definately gonna try mystic. Still veno has many skills that makes it unique also don't forget certain bugged pet skill I see mystic as a good company for venos not as replacement tbh, Probably from the skills i seen mystics aren't gonna be great in teams, not sure many will replace a pure dd for a mystic, that will be at best mediocre dd and interesting support skill, but not really needed, just a weak cleric-veno hybrid w/o the key skills (like veno amp or cleric bb). So from all the vids i seen mystic are gonna be veno duo partners.

Laranda - Heavens Tear

Anyone have info on the Mystic's "Sly" skill? From the skill list, it sounds like it might be useful or important, but there's no info on how it works.

Mooy - Heavens Tear

Sly skill? More explanation please.

青藤绕: lvl 0, single target skill deal wood damage and special slow effect, while under this effect, 摄魂咒 deal double damage.

青雾绕: lvl 3, single target skill deal wood damage and will cause 9seconds poison effect if target's hp is lower than 60%.

摄魂咒: lvl 19, single target skill deal phy damage.

乱舞清风: lvl 39, AoE skill deal wood damage to enemies around the target, has chance to seal.

花溅雨: lvl 49, single target skill deal wood damage and knock back target 12m.

碧波护体: lvl 9, active blessing, increase self wood, water, and phy def.

昙花一现: lvl 19, destory one of the nearby attack type plant, deal damage to near by targets, cause speacial effect depend on the type of plant.

偷天换日: lvl 49, absorb the summon, increase stats for a short time.

斗转星移: lvl 17, transfer mp to summon.

迅法术: lvl 49, active blessing, increase channel speed for a short time, also increase caster's damage.

灵光普照: lvl 0, active blessing, heal certain amount of hp to target instantly.

落英缤纷: lvl 9, active blessing, bless on target, heal everytime when target recieve damage.

重生术: lvl 19, active blessing, seal target's soul cause target resurrect when target die.

云生雾长: lvl 39, active blessing, restore certain amount of hp to all nearby party members.

治疗召唤物: lvl 7, active blessing, heal summon.

武神现世: lvl 7, summon, summon a Devil to assist the battle, phy type skills.

魔神现世: lvl 23, summon, summon a Mother of Golden Lighting to assist the battle, metal type skills.

救星降临: lvl 33, summon, summon a Buddha of Medicine to assist the battle, defend type skills.

灾星降临: lvl 59, summon, summon a God of Fire to assist the battle, powerful fire skills.

惩罚刺: lvl 11, plant summon, single target attack plant.

禁咒藤: lvl 15, plant summon, AoE curse plant.

咒缚丝: lvl 21, plant summon, AoE slow plant.

迷魂阵: lvl 29, plant summon, AoE sleep plant.

百草愈: lvl 39, plant summon, AoE healing plant.

百草击: lvl 49, plant summon, powerful AoE healing plant.

满地枝: lvl 59, single target skill deal wood damage, has chance to seal target.

Wood Mastery: lvl 29, passive, increase wood magic attack.

Those skills should give an idea of Mystic. For people who play chinese version, screenshot the skill info and I will translate those.

Kuro_suiren - Sanctuary

mmm.. is it me, or do seekers run like casters (wiz/clerics) with their sword drawn? -.- can't they run holding the sword on their side with both hands, u know, i mean, it's a huge sword/blade.. >.>

r9a9a9

thanks for misty translation Mooy. can you translate seeker skills too?

Derressh - Dreamweaver

Mooy - Heavens Tear wrote: »

偷天换日: lvl 49, absorb the summon, increase stats for a short time.

This is the "Sly" skill that people are talking about. And it's exactly what I assumed it would be; a skill that gets rid of your current summon to give you temporary buffs.

Much like how this skill:

Mooy - Heavens Tear wrote: »

昙花一现: lvl 19, destory one of the nearby attack type plant, deal damage to near by targets, cause speacial effect depend on the type of plant.

gets rid of your current plant trap and forces debuffs on the opponent.

Mooy - Heavens Tear

Um ok...

Absorb the first summon can get phy def and crit rate, last 20 sec
2nd summon get elemental def and mag damage, last 20 sec
3rd summon get damage absorb and heal over time, last 30sec
Last summon get nothing, you can't use it on this one since it only last 20sec.

Plant destorying...

惩罚刺: 400% phy damage.
禁咒藤: deal AoE damage and reduce atk speed and def for 18sec.
咒缚丝: deal AoE phy damage and reduce damage and movment speed for 12sec.
迷魂阵: deal AoE damage, sleep targets
Will not work on healing plants.

Laranda - Heavens Tear

Mooy - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Sly skill? More explanation please.

Derressh - Dreamweaver wrote: »

This is the "Sly" skill that people are talking about. And it's exactly what I assumed it would be; a skill that gets rid of your current summon to give you temporary buffs.

Yup, that would be it. Lv49 skill that does something to the summons. I referred to it as "Sly" because that's what the first page called it.

Mooy - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Um ok...

Absorb the first summon can get phy def and crit rate, last 20 sec
2nd summon get elemental def and mag damage, last 20 sec
3rd summon get damage absorb and heal over time, last 30sec
Last summon get nothing, you can't use it on this one since it only last 20sec.

Hmmm. Makes sense with what I've heard about the summons.

Sheesh, the more I hear about Mystics, the more they sound like upgraded Ardens.