haha yes!

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

E-peen? Hardly. I enjoyed playing on my main. I am in a TW faction. I regularly face people who have spent $15k, $20k, even one person who spent $50k on the game. To not die so quickly all the time and to be competitive within my guild, to better my character AND my guild, I improved my main. I didn't go run and hide on an alt when goals or achievements became more difficult, I decided to continue on. Sorry to hear you didn't have that much faith, devotion or desire to maintain or play your primary character.

So +12 on everything doesn't accomplish anything. Neither does creating a half dozen incompetent 10x characters and hiding when you can't find more sustainable long term goals. Must suck to be one of your characters.

b:pleased

Must suck so bad every one of them had a full FL of people who wanted to play with them. Of course, you derive your meaning in the game of facing other e-peen people who spent that much money in a game, of course, playing a class that few of those people who spent that much money actually target. Try barb or cleric and come again. Hide on an alt? Hah. I never really ever had a main to begin with. Face it, aspergers boy, you can't comprehend that other people can have fun or do different things than you without being idiots or hiding behind alts or having the PC they own given to them.

RedsRose - Lost City

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Try barb or cleric and come again. Hide on an alt? Hah.

He has a 100 Cleric b:embarrass

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »

He has a 100 Cleric b:embarrass

That wouldn't constitute hiding on an alt would it? Though he was talking about his main (inferred to be a BM) in a TW, if you bothered to read what you responded to.

RedsRose - Lost City

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

That wouldn't constitute hiding on an alt would it? Though he was talking about his main (inferred to be a BM) in a TW, if you bothered to read what you responded to.

You wrote it, I read it and I responded. I stand by my response as you stated for him to try one of the two classes. Worded slightly differently and I would not have responded to it

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »

You wrote it, I read it and I responded. I stand by my response as you stated for him to try one of the two classes. Worded slightly differently and I would not have responded to it

I was just correcting you because you obviously read one piece of a post and misconstrued the rest. If that's what you wanna stand by, then that's your choice. b:bye

Borsuc - Raging Tide

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

Again, it wasn't a glitch. A glitch is performing an action to achieve another that cannot happen or was not intended to happen if the first action is not taken. Mobs respawning in what 4-6 hours, bosses respawning in 20 hours isn't a glitch, that is game mechanics... or rather, was.

Uhm that is wrong. How do you know whether a glitch is intended or not... or are you just saying stuff cause you can?

How do you know that the bosses/mobs respawning wasn't made to conserve memory or something? I've no idea about the game's programming, but it seems pretty obvious -- this is why they added the timer, because it was not intended. Only someone like you would still argue with it. b:bye

You think this is the only game with stuff like this... there was this other f2p game that everyone was so secretive about saving instances (gee I wonder why, if it was such an "intended" feature right?)... then some guy pops up on forums and posts about it... what do you know, next update it's fixed with people getting kicked while trying to do the glitch. (in that game you had to relog and do some other stuff... it was different but nonetheless same point).

You sound like some sort of lawyer without logic shaping BS in different forms and trying to until he gets jury to agree with him. Or isn't this what all lawyers do?

Michael_Dark - Lost City

AnusHeals - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Must suck so bad every one of them had a full FL of people who wanted to play with them. Of course, you derive your meaning in the game of facing other e-peen people who spent that much money in a game, of course, playing a class that few of those people who spent that much money actually target. Try barb or cleric and come again. Hide on an alt? Hah. I never really ever had a main to begin with. Face it, aspergers boy, you can't comprehend that other people can have fun or do different things than you without being idiots or hiding behind alts or having the PC they own given to them.

I derive meaning from those players? lol. No, I just have to face them. Instead of hitting 100 and hiding because nobody wants to do anything with me, I actually kept gearing up so I could PvP and TW against people far better geared than me? I don't care about matching or surpassing someone, I'm fine with average gears. I don't need 100 alts to find fun or challenge in the game. I certainly don't hide.

Can't find anything to do past 100? No real goals? Can't compete? Feel incompetent or insignificant? I'd be willing to assume quite a few of these are true since you're always retiring. Just can't seem to find what you're good at I guess. lol

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

Uhm that is wrong. How do you know whether a glitch is intended or not... or are you just saying stuff cause you can?

How do you know that the bosses/mobs respawning wasn't made to conserve memory or something? I've no idea about the game's programming, but it seems pretty obvious -- this is why they added the timer, because it was not intended. Only someone like you would still argue with it. b:bye

You think this is the only game with stuff like this... there was this other f2p game that everyone was so secretive about saving instances (gee I wonder why, if it was such an "intended" feature right?)... then some guy pops up on forums and posts about it... what do you know, next update it's fixed with people getting kicked while trying to do the glitch. (in that game you had to relog and do some other stuff... it was different but nonetheless same point).

You sound like some sort of lawyer without logic shaping BS in different forms and trying to until he gets jury to agree with him. Or isn't this what all lawyers do?

Please, show me a GM or Support Base statement saying that it's a glitch (no, it doesn't fit the definition, idiot) or that it was either bannable or against the rules.

It was not.

Your logic, yet again, is horrible and fails.

RedsRose - Lost City

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I was just correcting you because you obviously read one piece of a post and misconstrued the rest. If that's what you wanna stand by, then that's your choice. b:bye

There was nothing to correct as you worded it and constructed the sentences in the wrong way in making your response. But works for me b:cuteb:bye

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »

There was nothing to correct as you worded it and constructed the sentences in the wrong way in making your response. But works for me b:cuteb:bye

No, actually, that was referring to his TW ****. Again, you only read one sentence and formulated your opinion on that. This much is obvious. Stand by it moar plz. b:bye

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

I derive meaning from those players? lol. No, I just have to face them. Instead of hitting 100 and hiding because nobody wants to do anything with me, I actually kept gearing up so I could PvP and TW against people far better geared than me? I don't care about matching or surpassing someone, I'm fine with average gears. I don't need 100 alts to find fun or challenge in the game. I certainly don't hide.

Can't find anything to do past 100? No real goals? Can't compete? Feel incompetent or insignificant? I'd be willing to assume quite a few of these are true since you're always retiring. Just can't seem to find what you're good at I guess. lol

Please, show me a GM or Support Base statement saying that it's a glitch (no, it doesn't fit the definition, idiot) or that it was either bannable or against the rules.

It was not.

Your logic, yet again, is horrible and fails.

Wow, and I thought ppl added you to FL after doing specific runs because they liked how you played and you did well at it. Never mind. I guess I was hiding from my own FL. Oh, and liking playing different class of characters = hiding, just for anyone who has an alt, oh wait, that's aspergers_michael too. Doh. Still being a pro hypocrite I see. b:chuckle

Borsuc - Raging Tide

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

Please, show me a GM or Support Base statement saying that it's a glitch (no, it doesn't fit the definition, idiot) or that it was either bannable or against the rules.

It was not.

Your logic, yet again, is horrible and fails.

I cannot teach you common sense.

For you the update was merely coincidental, maybe. Surely nothing to do with instance saving being "not intended". In that other game, no one said it was a glitch until it was fixed. (nor devs/GMs) But I guess that "fix" was merely coincidental as well. And then it was only people like me who rejoiced and called it a glitch (while others were butthurt ofc but hey it's nothing new is it?).

*sigh* well there's no hope at all arguing with someone lacking basic common sense I guess.

Asheera - Raging Tide

GMs =/= Devs.

Obviously GMs don't even know if that's a glitch or not, but it is obvious by the timer-update that the devs did not intend for people to do it that way.

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Ihealworthcrap - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Wow, and I thought ppl added you to FL after doing specific runs because they liked how you played and you did well at it. Never mind. I guess I was hiding from my own FL. Oh, and liking playing different class of characters = hiding, just for anyone who has an alt, oh wait, that's aspergers_michael too. Doh. Still being a pro hypocrite I see. b:chuckle

No, I refuse contacts for farming purposes. All the people on my FL are actual friends.

So, you're a disappointment to yourself (retiring failed chars) and to your friends (you have a FL full of people who want to play but you hide from your friends)?

So pro. I want to grow up to be just like you. lol

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

I cannot teach you common sense.

For you the update was merely coincidental, maybe. Surely nothing to do with instance saving being "not intended". In that other game, no one said it was a glitch until it was fixed. (nor devs/GMs) But I guess that "fix" was merely coincidental as well. And then it was only people like me who rejoiced and called it a glitch (while others were butthurt ofc but hey it's nothing new is it?).

*sigh* well there's no hope at all arguing with someone lacking basic common sense I guess.

Humor me. Please, define what a glitch is.

Not intended? I'm not saying it WAS specifically intended, but please tell me where anyone in any official position on any version has said that was either a glitch or unintentional.

Please make up more false facts that you cannot back with anything but your failed logic.

Asheera - Raging Tide wrote: »

GMs =/= Devs.

Obviously GMs don't even know if that's a glitch or not, but it is obvious by the timer-update that the devs did not intend for people to do it that way.

Do I really need to define the word glitch for you people?

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

No, I refuse contacts for farming purposes. All the people on my FL are actual friends.

So, you're a disappointment to yourself (retiring failed chars) and to your friends (you have a FL full of people who want to play)?

So pro. I want to grow up to be just like you. lol

Define friends? I define them, in this game, as people who were on my FL and actually either talk to that character or do runs with them. Otherwise, no point to it. Now, if you mean by friends like those are your only friends at all, with your attitude here, I can certainly see why aspergers_mike -- likely because your attitude and wanna-be superior attitude I'm sure brings many "friends" who enjoy this type of company. I should have accurately updated my sig, it was for those "friends" to contact me because I stopped playing all of my chars, and gave my stuff away to a few RL friends who are still going to play, as I got completely bored with it (but not the forums!). I was actually getting into that in another topic, which I'll gladly discuss there so people who want to read a relevant post can instead of your garbage. b:chuckle

Still love the hypocrisy there. I'm also certainly not the first one to call you out on it.

Borsuc - Raging Tide

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

Humor me. Please, define what a glitch is.

Not intended? I'm not saying it WAS specifically intended, but please tell me where anyone in any official position on any version has said that was either a glitch or unintentional.

Please make up more false facts that you cannot back with anything but your failed logic.

Glitch is simply something that was not intended gameplay from the developers. To find out whether something is a glitch or not you don't need him to tell you that, unless you lack common sense as I said.

Most developers of most games DO NOT give reasons to their updates by the way, but I guess you're unfamiliar with that. They just tell what they changed (e.g: "timer introduced in TTs"), even the DQ price nerf had NO REASON given, until GMs were pressed to ask about it. (to combat "bot farmers" or whatever, who knows the real reason...)

You lack both common sense & experience in the matter actually. But seriously saying that this just happened to be a coincidence or that it had nothing to do with saving instances is funny. b:cute

Rillien - Heavens Tear

Mendolin - Sanctuary wrote: »

the point is.... that people DONT do it... you can say all you want that people CAN do things or that IF the majority of the people did it, tokens would go up blah blah blah... but the fact of the matter is... is that people DONT because they WHAT-IF/CANT all their life.. Red went out there and she DID it... why put her down because of it?

you can do anything in this game through the cash shop- it is hard to find something that you CANT do by in some way using the cash shop...

b:angry damn you rose.... you used tokens to get mp event food to "farm" these said instances!! THAT MEANS YOU DIDNT FARM THEM AT ALL- YOU USED THE CASH SHOP!!
/sarcasm

One quick reply: of course I'm not putting her down. It took a lot of in game work still and it's a great acheivement. I am all for people trying to do things without CSing directly, too, and I believe she did not "buy" rank 8. And I know everything more or less revolves around CS purchases, from charm usage to refining to gems etcetcetc.

I was trying to clarify the alternative viewpoint of some expressed on the thread. Do I think that more people can and should try these methods? Yeah, sure, it's an awesome way to avoid spending real cash, as long as the economy can support it. But it is also quite true that if the advice was taken by too many people, things would change.

IN SUM: it works great for these people, but we can't pretend it should/could work for everyone. Congrats to the farmers. I'm not trying to pick on you. But it's not as simple as you're making it sound.

Now I really hope that doesn't offend anyone.

Nakhimov - Lost City

Borsuc, you're thinking of an exploit. Not a glitch.


Anyhow, this thread is full of morons save Mike and RedsRose.

If you get something primarily through in-game action, you farmed it. It's a term that's been around since RPG games started and it's a pretty simple definition.

Durr hurr.

Borsuc - Raging Tide

Rillien - Heavens Tear wrote: »

One quick reply: of course I'm not putting her down. It took a lot of in game work still and it's a great acheivement. I am all for people trying to do things without CSing directly, too, and I believe she did not "buy" rank 8. And I know everything more or less revolves around CS purchases, from charm usage to refining to gems etcetcetc.

I was trying to clarify the alternative viewpoint of some expressed on the thread. Do I think that more people can and should try these methods? Yeah, sure, it's an awesome way to avoid spending real cash, as long as the economy can support it. But it is also quite true that if the advice was taken by too many people, things would change.

IN SUM: it works great for these people, but we can't pretend it should/could work for everyone. Congrats to the farmers. I'm not trying to pick on you. But it's not as simple as you're making it sound.

Now I really hope that doesn't offend anyone.

I love your logic & ability to understand people, sometimes I wish I could make posts better than just seem as raging but I guess I just had too much of it (for that I apologize) over the time (not just on this game btw). b:sad

Not saying I'm not at fault I definitely deserve some of the remarks at me... but at least not the point you addressed (which is the only one I cared about).

Borsuc - Raging Tide

Nakhimov - Lost City wrote: »

Borsuc, you're thinking of an exploit. Not a glitch.

Really I doubt his reaction would've been any different. He would've said "how do you know this is an exploit and wasn't intended, any official word?" when he knows (or doesn't! b:shocked) devs rarely address or openly admit these things.

Nakhimov - Lost City wrote: »

If you get something primarily through in-game action, you farmed it. It's a term that's been around since RPG games started and it's a pretty simple definition.

uhm so if someone actually farms (the real way) a warsoul weapon and puts it for 1 coin in AH does that mean the guy who bought it first (you can imagine how many would jump on it) farmed it? b:chuckle

Asheera - Raging Tide

Nakhimov - Lost City wrote: »

If you get something primarily through in-game action, you farmed it. It's a term that's been around since RPG games started and it's a pretty simple definition.

Durr hurr.

Wrong.

A quitting person gave rank 8 to a friend. Did that friend farm rank 8? NO.
A rich merchant bought tokens for rank 8. Did he farm rank 8? nope.
A person farmed an instance and got lots of gold drops. Then he sold the drops and bought tokens like the above merchant for rank 8. Did he farm TT? Sure he did. Did he farm rank 8? No.
A person farms fb's and gets rank 8. Did he farm it? Yes.

Learn2UseLogic.

Michael_Dark - Lost City

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Define friends? I define them, in this game, as people who were on my FL and actually either talk to that character or do runs with them. Otherwise, no point to it. Now, if you mean by friends like those are your only friends at all, with your attitude here, I can certainly see why aspergers_mike -- likely because your attitude and wanna-be superior attitude I'm sure brings many "friends" who enjoy this type of company. I should have accurately updated my sig, it was for those "friends" to contact me because I stopped playing all of my chars, and gave my stuff away to a few RL friends who are still going to play, as I got completely bored with it (but not the forums!). I was actually getting into that in another topic, which I'll gladly discuss there so people who want to read a relevant post can instead of your garbage. b:chuckle

Still love the hypocrisy there. I'm also certainly not the first one to call you out on it.

Friends List = People I talk to that I don't necessarily do much with, or the close friends I do most everything with.

People that I can randomly do stuff with = Guild Chat. If I want to get a BH done or run 3-3 or Nirvana to farm I say something in guild chat or respond to someone else wanting to farm. That is what a faction is for.

Friend's list is for... omg... *gasp* Friends?

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

Really I doubt his reaction would've been any different. He would've said "how do you know this is an exploit and wasn't intended, any official word?" when he knows (or doesn't! b:shocked) devs rarely address or openly admit these things.

Wow, you just can't keep burying yourself into a hole... deeper and deeper.

A glitch is something that doesn't happen naturally or from intended design*, it is something that happens as a result of a bug, unintended consequence or the exploitation of such an event.

Bosses respawning in 20 hours in a held instance is game mechanics. That is programmed response and normal behavior. Calling it a glitch is just plain stupid because it is not a freaking glitch.

For one who is so strict on defining terms such as 'farming' without even having a clue what the term 'glitch' means, you are just showing your lack of intelligence.

Really, apply the same standards you set to one word to another. Show some consistency. You would if you weren't a total moron. b:chuckle


*intended design: as in, obviously not letting people walk through doors or walls, attack mobs that don't reset or can't fight back or a typo or complete lack of oversight. As opposed to, mobs respawning as intended because all mobs respawn in PWI.

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Asheera - Raging Tide wrote: »

Wrong.

A quitting person gave rank 8 to a friend. Did that friend farm rank 8? NO.
A rich merchant bought tokens for rank 8. Did he farm rank 8? nope.
A person farmed an instance and got lots of gold drops. Then he sold the drops and bought tokens like the above merchant for rank 8. Did he farm TT? Sure he did. Did he farm rank 8? No.
A person farms fb's and gets rank 8. Did he farm it? Yes.

Learn2UseLogic.

/facepalm

Using your logic. No, you're wrong. They farmed darkness stamps. You don't farm Rank 8, you take a quest, turn in one ring and accept the other.

At least be consistent.

Borsuc - Raging Tide

It wasn't the bosses respawning that was the glitch it was people saving the instance (aka keeping alts there) that was... and besides in the other game you had to do other stuff that involved a bit of glitch, though yes "exploit" would've been the proper word here.

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

/facepalm

Using your logic. No, you're wrong. They farmed darkness stamps. You don't farm Rank 8, you take a quest, turn in one ring and accept the other.

At least be consistent.

No because darkness stamps have a in-game function to give you rep without having to involve other players. So the drop rate & prices aren't arbitrary but defined by the game mechanics. Technically what you said was more precise, but she wasn't wrong or far off. You can farm coins also from selling DQ drops (to NPC obviously!), for example.

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

It wasn't the bosses respawning that was the glitch it was people saving the instance (aka keeping alts there) that was... and besides in the other game you had to do other stuff that involved a bit of glitch, though yes "exploit" would've been the proper word here.

It's not a glitch. It's not even an exploit. It was simple, consistent and always occuring mechanics that can be counted upon, relied upon and you did not need to perform a trick to make it 'glitch'. It was a feature that was changed due to people exploiting it, but it wasn't an exploit in itself. It was just as much of a game mechanic as mobs respawning at a quest area or in a past map.

OMG people are killing world bosses over and over. They respawn every 24 hours. That must be a glitch.

No because darkness stamps have a in-game function to give you rep without having to involve other players. So the drop rate & prices aren't arbitrary but defined by the game mechanics. Technically what you said was more precise, but she wasn't wrong or far off. You can farm coins also from selling DQ drops (to NPC obviously!), for example.

You don't farm rank. You can have all the darkness stamps in the world. And unless you are a veno, you didn't farm darkness stamps alone. You needed to involve other players.

The darkness stamps are worth 1 coin, if I believe... so you farm either the stamp or 1 coin. You can turn them into rep, but the rep isn't automatic, hence, you did not farm rep.

I can play your idiotic logic games as well and selectively choosing how to define things without being consistent like you and Asheera.

Borsuc - Raging Tide

Who says exploits aren't predictable? b:question

What about getting 1ked from rebirth... how do you know that's a glitch, it follows game mechanics (probably bad programmed tho). It's just funny to me since a bit of common sense would tell you. I learned to predict when I get 1ked especially from archer mobs. They always 1k people when there's 2+ shooting at a slight delay (which will happen 99% of the time). Magic mobs never 1k me alone no matter how many kill me. See, it's consistent. b:laugh

Technically even BUGS are game mechanics... the counter in TT3-3 wasn't "broken" by your logic it was simply following the (bad) programming. I'm not sure where you are getting at. It was obviously not intended though, but then again, stuff isn't obvious to a person who lacks common sense.

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

Who says exploits aren't predictable? b:question

Predictability has nothing to do with it. Most exploits ARE predictable, which is why they are exploited. A glitch is like using a wall or door ****, attacking a mob that doesn't reset that can't fight back...

Instances did not have a time limit. Bosses and mobs respawn. If it were not designed as such, they could have made it so bosses didn't respawn at all in unique instances, however they chose to.

You need to do nothing out of the ordinary or to perform any function to make another function not work or behave differently... and thus, it is not a glitch or exploit.

What about getting 1ked from rebirth... how do you know that's a glitch, it follows game mechanics (probably bad programmed tho). It's just funny to me since a bit of common sense would tell you. I learned to predict when I get 1ked especially from archer mobs. They always 1k people when there's 2+ shooting at a slight delay (which will happen 99% of the time). Magic mobs never 1k me alone no matter how many kill me. See, it's consistent. b:laugh

That is an actual issue they tried to correct with the PK Tournament and failed. Judging by how badly they failed to fix that, and if you've ever done it you know when you die, you get ported out to safe zone, you can't move and you need to relog... That's far worse of a bug or a glitch, and yet they couldn't even fix that.

If they couldn't fix that, it would be pretty safe to logically assume that the 1k/Warsong glitch is something not easily fixable, or perhaps they might have actually fixed it by now?

PWI's track record on bug fixes isn't really all that bad, just some things have never been fixed. That's one of them.

More important issues like memory leaks, window reside crashing, and other issues do get fixed.

Technically even BUGS are game mechanics... the counter in TT3-3 wasn't "broken" by your logic it was simply following the (bad) programming. I'm not sure where you are getting at. It was obviously not intended though, but then again, stuff isn't obvious to a person who lacks common sense.

Bugs and glitches are not intentional mechanics that do not follow devised mechanics. Bugs and glitches don't always follow a set in-game standard. A glitch is something that occurs from doing something unexpected or unforseen or something the system cannot handle. An exploit is using one of those bugs or glitches to your advantage.

Man, the IQ level in this thread has dropped to reasonable definitions. This is like a grade school English class now. Way to go.

Borsuc - Raging Tide

It still doesn't change the fact that it was obviously not intended, making it an exploit. The mechanics allowed that, yes. But think of it like this. You crack into a windows system using an exploit for an application. One of the famous recent ones is when the app looks into the folder from which you launch it.

Example: you download a .mp3 file. Your media player uses mp3.dll to load the sound engine. Windows rules were set (way back in the day!) and weren't changed (due to compatibility) that an application looks from where it was launched first, then the app's directory, then the system32 directory, etc.

Anyway, if you put a fake mp3.dll along with the song.mp3 file, and you load song.mp3, the application will load mp3.dll since you launched the app from the song.mp3 file's path. The .dll (which is a program library) can then basically do anything a program can do to your computer -- you basically execute a foreign program by just playing an .mp3 file!

It is how Windows rules were set back in the day. But exploiting this to, let's say, get control of someone's computer, is an exploit. Microsoft never intended this to be used to **** onto someone... even tho the rules are there.

Same here. Rules were set so that bosses respawn for reasons I don't know (it has to do with the game's internal programming). They didn't intend you to save instances though, hence why they added the timer. It was obvious from the costs of opening, but of course, again common sense skips you. It's what made it an exploit.


By your logic, security exploits aren't exploits until they are fixed? Cause after all, all exploits rely on the rules of a program (and it's 'backdoors' as they call it), similar to here.

MagicHamsta - Lost City

Michael.....

"An exploit, in video games, is the use of a bug or design flaw by a player to their advantage in a manner not intended by the game's designers."
-Mulligan, Jessica; Bridgette Patrovsky (2003). "Appendix F". Developing online games. New Riders. p. 474. ISBN 9781592730001.

b:bye

Bad coding = design flaw.

Of course every bit of code be intentional (one has to design every line of code....)
Humans still has design flaws and thus exploits.
b:bye

Asheera - Raging Tide

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

/facepalm

Using your logic. No, you're wrong. They farmed darkness stamps. You don't farm Rank 8, you take a quest, turn in one ring and accept the other.

At least be consistent.

Actually I was talking about fb's with tabs when you automatically get rep, not stamps.

But even with stamps... omg dude... if they were used for anything else I'd agree but come on are you serious? Handing them in to convert into rep which is the only thing they do, is not even worth mentioning and doesn't break my logic.

Or are you just trying to nitpick each of my arguments ignoring the whole point just so you look like a smartass? Well, doesn't work for me other than making you look a bit childish, but I'm sure with this attitude you'd make an awesome lawyer lol

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

It still doesn't change the fact that it was obviously not intended,

Reference?

By your logic, security exploits aren't exploits until they are fixed? Cause after all, all exploits rely on the rules of a program (and it's 'backdoors' as they call it), similar to here.

You're an idiot and your logic gives me a headache.

So, you're trying to compare someone who deliberately tricks another into using malicious code to exploit a design flaw to a game where instances didn't reset and mobs and bosses respawned and could be killed again if you waited for them to respawn? All mobs respawn in PWI. That is not a design flaw.

MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »

Bad coding = design flaw.

Of course every bit of code be intentional (one has to design every line of code....)
Humans still has design flaws and thus exploits.
b:bye

Hamster, you're seriously going to compare the old instance without a timer and respawning mobs to be a glitch when the mechanics of the game itself works on the same principle without much deviation? Your mind is truly the size of a rodent. Go **** in a cuboard and chew through a bag of peanuts. Apparently nibbling on Twinkies gave your brain a sugar overload.

Asheera - Raging Tide wrote: »

Actually I was talking about fb's with tabs when you automatically get rep, not stamps.

But even with stamps... omg dude... if they were used for anything else I'd agree but come on are you serious? Handing them in to convert into rep which is the only thing they do, is not even worth mentioning and doesn't break my logic.

Technically that would be quest rewards, not farming. There's a difference isn't there? Well, there's a difference to you about getting a drop and selling it to get rep. Well, technically you don't farm rep at all. You can farm rep items, or get rep from quest rewards, but that is not farming Rank 8.

Or are you just trying to nitpick each of my arguments ignoring the whole point just so you look like a smartass? Well, doesn't work for me other than making you look a bit childish, but I'm sure with this attitude you'd make an awesome lawyer lol

No, I'm not nitpicking, I'm just being as equally stupid with these grade school 'pick and choose' strict or loose definitions to trying to make a point to argue.

Look at borsuc's interpretation of Farming, then look at his interpretation of Glitch. One is as strict as you can get, the other is so loose you can fit anything into it and still work it. Consistency FTW.

GohRaL - Sanctuary

Oh really ? whatever...

I like the new core system, and for the cash thing matter:

i wouldnt check the number of cashopped item but id rather look at the number of quest done...


I just hope that the UNIQUE QUEST are ment like the one you can get each new level and not the one you get from oracles, chest and so on....




for the few OFF TOPIC discussions, well id like to say this IMHO:


1)farming in game = EARN things by time and effort (by all means)

2)the way ppl like to spend theyr money isnt arguable...remember "degustibus" thing? (fail latin ftw) if you do it you'r just envy

3)is not how much you pay your guitar but how you will play it (average and above)

4)the time you spend on this game (usually) wont imply that you have no life

i like to play this game A LOT (both meanings) and while raising a char after 90s i could easily divide my time between game, family, friends, girlfriend, sports, school, work and of course band which i do rearshal with every weekend and organize some gigs when we can

this is a vid we made at the 3rd edition of the concert that we organized just the 4member of our bands + some friends of us (D.I.Y.)...the event is called HC CONTAMINATION

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ued7-hx4Vzk enjoy b:victory