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No, you just don't get it. You can't farm coins except by grinding and selling to NPCs. Anything else is not farming coins because it's trading with other players, so it's influenced by MARKET PRICES. How come there's only an extremely few percentage of people who can "farm" and those are usually the ones who are old-timers on the server?
Unsurprisingly one of the top BMs on our server farmed everything he has as well (probably better stuff than you also Michael, he has 13k HP buffed last time I heard and is 5aps). He used the early server prices to farm with a veno alt then sell. At least he's honest to admit it. (he was here just from start of server, obviously knew how the game worked wasn't his first time etc).
So no, you don't farm coins, you farm mats or whatever else you do (herbs or whatever). How many coins those sell for depends on market conditions. Only a very small population can actually achieve lot with them. SAME COIN RESOURCES are being existing in the economy, so obviously more people farming means mats are getting more and more worthless. Hence why it's always just a select few people who are "elite" by farming in any freaking MMO. I mean ffs is it so hard to realize? Look at hundreds of MMOs with the same formula. If you think you are special in this MMO you're just a drop in the ocean, look around and you'll see same stuff everywhere.
It doesn't take a genius to realize there's not enough resources in the game for every high level player, hence why an extremely small percentage actually can "farm" gear like you or our server's BM. You just don't realize this because you prefer to not look at big picture and think for a bit.0 -
Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »No, you just don't get it. You can't farm coins except by grinding and selling to NPCs. Anything else is not farming coins because it's trading with other players, so it's influenced by MARKET PRICES. How come there's only an extremely few percentage of people who can "farm" and those are usually the ones who are old-timers on the server?
Unsurprisingly one of the top BMs on our server farmed everything he has as well (probably better stuff than you also Michael, he has 13k HP buffed last time I heard and is 5aps). He used the early server prices to farm with a veno alt then sell. At least he's honest to admit it.
So no, you don't farm coins, you farm mats or whatever else you do (herbs or whatever). How many coins those sell for depends on market conditions.
It doesn't take a genius to realize there's not enough resources in the game for every high level player, hence why an extremely small percentage actually can "farm" gear like you or our server's BM. You just don't realize this because you prefer to not look at big picture and think for a bit.
There are THREE ways to make money in game. Killing things, merchanting or cash shopping.
If you make coin by killing the same things over and over, that is grinding. When you kill things for really expensive drops over and over that is considered farming.
Whatever you choose to do with those drops, sell them or use them, but the coin gained from selling those drops isn't merchanted, it's farmed.
edit: and who cares what my gear is like... I've said it over and over, I just have average gear. You are a freaking nut job and an idiot. b:byeI post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.0 -
Yes but it's not farming for coins, it's farming for whatever you obtain (i.e mats). you then sell these to players but it depends on market prices and server situation, etc.
And of course cash shopping is a way to make money. If everyone farmed, the servers would be dead -- hence why the game is broken design. Even if servers were 100% free to maintain and staff didn't want salaries! There is simply not enough resources into the whole game unless you cashshop. (by this I mean, you may not, but you need 9 out of 10 people to do, for example)
Solandri made an excellent post before, which I can't find anymore. Every piece of boutique item was cashshopped, it doesn't matter if it was you who paid for it or not. I'm just saying people like you cannot EVER be even in the low minority, they must be an extreme rarity. Else the game would be dead.
EDIT: and thanks for calling me an idiot when I was just pointing out facts that server situations make HUGE difference -- I don't give a **** that he has better gear or not, just backing up my point.0 -
You and Rose are probably one of the top farmers on your server. It's not the PvP server's farming abilities, it's just that you post on the forums and our top farmers (at least RT) do not.Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »I think PvE servers are jealous of PvP server farming abilities? b:chuckle
You still needed 2 years to get weaker gear than what our top farmer (f2p BM also) has on this new server.
So yeah brag more about your server when the truth is you're not that great.
And yeah what Borsuc said only a select few can be in the "top farmers" category... or else if a lot start farming heavily, nobody in the end is better off than the other.First 103 on Raging Tide 30 Oct 2010
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money is money and items is items. who gives a **** how you get your items, atleast you got it and thats all that counts.
if you spend thousands of $$ on a game to get your items then you are one rich *** dude and thats something to be proud of. most ppl wish they have jobs like that and have money to spare to spend on w/e they want.
if you farm for the items without spending money then it means your dedicated. most ppl have no dedication and instead rage like the OP because of the lazyness.
both lead to the same outcome. the ONLY difference is one way is faster then the other way.
suck it up, cuz at the end of the day you are pimpin it out with your new warsoul weapon while the haters gonna hate and the trolls gonna troll, and thats all that counts. atleast you will be popular.
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HT has a few good farmers/merchs Micheal, i know at least 1 +12 thats never cash shoppedb:chuckle , and a few that only invested a bit early, we don't have a ton of em, but definitively some0
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Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »EDIT: and thanks for calling me an idiot when I was just pointing out facts that server situations make HUGE difference -- I don't give a **** that he has better gear or not, just backing up my point.
You're like a broken record. You keep bringing up the same tired and stupid argument over and over and over. I didn't cash shop (spend real money) to get those items. I didn't merchant (selling and buying items in perma-catshop mode) to get those items. I used my time and effort to get those items. Using time and effort = farming. Just because you want to waste your time arguing semantics all day and night long doesn't change the fact that I farmed to get those items.
Of course no I didn't directly farm those items. I farmed items which I sold for money which I used to purchase those god damned items.
So, for the sake of simplicity and sanity, I will just shorten that BS into saying "I farmed those items" because without your idiotic and incessant need to explain that they're not really farmed, come up with a simple term to explain it.
Geeez...
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+1 internets for you, ive stated this many times but no one seems to get it. these people love to brag about their extreme success, but they are more detrimental to society than they are worth giving homage to in terms of people we should serve as examples to be like. 'farming' and 'merchanting <-i hate this stupid *** blanket word' are not the keys to making it in this game, making money these days is damn near impossible unless you're 100+ and have friends willing to take you to nirvana. which coincides with your point, its only these veteran players making money, either with their severely cash shooped characters or their severely cashed friends.Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »No, you just don't get it. You can't farm coins except by grinding and selling to NPCs. Anything else is not farming coins because it's trading with other players, so it's influenced by MARKET PRICES. How come there's only an extremely few percentage of people who can "farm" and those are usually the ones who are old-timers on the server?
Unsurprisingly one of the top BMs on our server farmed everything he has as well (probably better stuff than you also Michael, he has 13k HP buffed last time I heard and is 5aps). He used the early server prices to farm with a veno alt then sell. At least he's honest to admit it. (he was here just from start of server, obviously knew how the game worked wasn't his first time etc).
So no, you don't farm coins, you farm mats or whatever else you do (herbs or whatever). How many coins those sell for depends on market conditions. Only a very small population can actually achieve lot with them. SAME COIN RESOURCES are being existing in the economy, so obviously more people farming means mats are getting more and more worthless. Hence why it's always just a select few people who are "elite" by farming in any freaking MMO. I mean ffs is it so hard to realize? Look at hundreds of MMOs with the same formula. If you think you are special in this MMO you're just a drop in the ocean, look around and you'll see same stuff everywhere.
It doesn't take a genius to realize there's not enough resources in the game for every high level player, hence why an extremely small percentage actually can "farm" gear like you or our server's BM. You just don't realize this because you prefer to not look at big picture and think for a bit.
#1 herb hunting? whats the point, highest use of apoth items went belly under with the new tw changes. so much competition on the little things still using apoth so why bother.
#2 mine farming? lol for what? i can get wine for cheaper from tokens -_-
#3 TT/lunar? cant find anyone willing to do them, even then the mats dont sell for ****. why bother with a veno if its a few hours for minor income
quite frankly, the only time i have any real cash is when i get lucky drops. im quite content with a couple mil in the wallet, when i get my new alt to 100 in a few weeks, if the market is still somewhat fresh, ill goto nirvana, farm, and get the final gear that'd be mere icing on the cake for all i care.
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At the time the sig was up for "farmed" at the time it was very much not feasible to farm Rank 8 the actual "farming" route, i.e. stamps/badges [warsong/legions/fb59/fb's/one-man-army's/etc] that didn't include packs. It was calculated how much rep per day someone would have to earn and that simply was not do-able without spending at least a few hundred dollars on top of "farming". It's not like people on HT had no grasp of farming. Hell, I "farmed" TT100 fists, a full set of 99 gear on my own BM, and enough to level several chars to 100 and get them end game gear. However, how easy it is now to farm it and back then are quite different. It's certainly not a case of a PVE server not knowing how to do PVE things -- try and be a little bit less full of yourself. It's just not exaggerating something to try and impress others, and sadly it's done quite a lot here, and since it's established you didn't babysit his/her wallet, you wouldn't be a good source to make that judgment as I guarantee you did not farm that sort of rep with him/her. Of course, I'm not going to the depths some others might here to try and prove that, since in the end I can't give any less of a ****, nonetheless, it's worth pointing out nonsensical e-peen **** and making fun of it. b:pleasedMichael_dark - Lost City wrote: »Rose actually did farm 8jun. She farmed with several of the most prolific farmers on LC.
I completely farmed:
205m for my Scroll of Tome
225m+ +1-+11 on my Lunar Claws
400m+ 1st Cast Nirvana weapon.
22m for socket stones to 2 socket 99 gold.
30m+ for Cheinkun stones to transfer the 2 sockets...
Pretty sure that would easily get me Rank 8 if I had wanted. That's maybe a bit more than half of what I farmed or merchanted in about the same amount of time that Rose farmed her Rank 8.
I think PvE servers are jealous of PvP server farming abilities? b:chuckle0 -
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If I buy 20 gold from the auction house using coins, and then purchase dragon orbs, I get credit for the achievement.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »At the time the sig was up for "farmed" at the time it was very much not feasible to farm Rank 8 the actual "farming" route, i.e. stamps/badges [warsong/legions/fb59/fb's/one-man-army's/etc] that didn't include packs. It was calculated how much rep per day someone would have to earn and that simply was not do-able without spending at least a few hundred dollars on top of "farming". It's not like people on HT had no grasp of farming. Hell, I "farmed" TT100 fists, a full set of 99 gear on my own BM, and enough to level several chars to 100 and get them end game gear. However, how easy it is now to farm it and back then are quite different.
Ok, who are you talking about and when did this happen? Before tokens and packs? Since you're going to make specific claims of what is and isn't possble, at least tell me how it's NOT possible? Really.It's certainly not a case of a PVE server not knowing how to do PVE things -- try and be a little bit less full of yourself. It's just not exaggerating something to try and impress others, and sadly it's done quite a lot here, and since it's established you didn't babysit his/her wallet, you wouldn't be a good source to make that judgment as I guarantee you did not farm that sort of rep with him/her. Of course, I'm not going to the depths some others might here to try and prove that, since in the end I can't give any less of a ****, nonetheless, it's worth pointing out nonsensical e-peen **** and making fun of it. b:pleased
OMG freaking moron alert. Wow, since I'm listing what I was actually able to farm during a specific time to illustrate a point I'm showing off or exaggerating or full of myself?
Do you know what the hell a valid point is in context to what I was responding to instead of point out some ****** idiotic "oh stop bragging post"?
Jesus Christ man, **** and go away if you can't see what my actual point is instead of wagging your little penor at me. Idiot.I post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.0 -
Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »Rose actually did farm 8jun. She farmed with several of the most prolific farmers on LC.
I completely farmed:
205m for my Scroll of Tome
225m+ +1-+11 on my Lunar Claws
400m+ 1st Cast Nirvana weapon.
22m for socket stones to 2 socket 99 gold.
30m+ for Cheinkun stones to transfer the 2 sockets...
Pretty sure that would easily get me Rank 8 if I had wanted. That's maybe a bit more than half of what I farmed or merchanted in about the same amount of time that Rose farmed her Rank 8.
I think PvE servers are jealous of PvP server farming abilities? b:chuckle
^ This...My Rank 8 and the Rank 8 of my farming partner were both farmed within 7 weeks...his in 5 and mine in 7.Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »/stuff
/facpalmJanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »At the time the sig was up for "farmed" at the time it was very much not feasible to farm Rank 8 the actual "farming" route, i.e. stamps/badges [warsong/legions/fb59/fb's/one-man-army's/etc] that didn't include packs. It was calculated how much rep per day someone would have to earn and that simply was not do-able without spending at least a few hundred dollars on top of "farming". It's not like people on HT had no grasp of farming. Hell, I "farmed" TT100 fists, a full set of 99 gear on my own BM, and enough to level several chars to 100 and get them end game gear. However, how easy it is now to farm it and back then are quite different. It's certainly not a case of a PVE server not knowing how to do PVE things -- try and be a little bit less full of yourself. It's just not exaggerating something to try and impress others, and sadly it's done quite a lot here, and since it's established you didn't babysit his/her wallet, you wouldn't be a good source to make that judgment as I guarantee you did not farm that sort of rep with him/her. Of course, I'm not going to the depths some others might here to try and prove that, since in the end I can't give any less of a ****, nonetheless, it's worth pointing out nonsensical e-peen **** and making fun of it. b:pleased
It was possible...of the 7 weeks it took, 2-3 if them were dble drops and at same time, 3-2 and 3-3 were farmable with a single party. Sorry if you cannot have the same type of farming party that I was privileged to have. In fact, I got extremely lucky and since then farmed the 2 icebornes, 3 10* orbs, and 100's of millions. Sorry but it is and was possible when I farmed it.
Oh and "farming" for rep was (as I have stated 329482390482093 times) -->
HH -> Sell Mats -> Buy Tokens (56k) -> Turn into Wrath Badges -> Rank 8
And I refuse ONCE AGAIN to get into some lame discussion on the definition of "farming"...b:bye[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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OMG moronepeentrollalert /fakerage. Before tokens and packs? No. That was even less possible. Farming between 600 - 950m in 7 days that many months ago? LOL. Yeah, if you got an illusion stone every day for seven weeks. Honestly, just because someone understands something is possible doesn't been they are as naive to think it's that probable, especially when merchanting was not mentioned. When you can not exaggerate **** (look at who wags his little penor.. it's you with your +12 tweezers) for the sake of an internet audience, maybe then you'll realize that you weren't impressing anyone to begin with. However, it's obvious you still think you are, who I dunno whether to cry tears of laughter or point and laugh. Carry on. b:byeMichael_dark - Lost City wrote: »Ok, who are you talking about and when did this happen? Before tokens and packs? Since you're going to make specific claims of what is and isn't possble, at least tell me how it's NOT possible? Really.
OMG freaking moron alert. Wow, since I'm listing what I was actually able to farm during a specific time to illustrate a point I'm showing off or exaggerating or full of myself?
Do you know what the hell a valid point is in context to what I was responding to instead of point out some ****** idiotic "oh stop bragging post"?
Jesus Christ man, **** and go away if you can't see what my actual point is instead of wagging your little penor at me. Idiot.0 -
hey good job, you managed to make him look stupid without using an insult. its rare to find people who can do it too. insinuations arent insults, so that is win too. high five.JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »OMG moronepeentrollalert /fakerage. Before tokens and packs? No. That was even less possible. Farming between 600 - 950m in 7 days that many months ago? LOL. Yeah, if you got an illusion stone every day for seven weeks. Honestly, just because someone understands something is possible doesn't been they are as naive to think it's that probable, especially when merchanting was not mentioned. When you can not exaggerate **** (look at who wags his little penor.. it's you with your +12 tweezers) for the sake of an internet audience, maybe then you'll realize that you weren't impressing anyone to begin with. However, it's obvious you still think you are, who I dunno whether to cry tears of laughter or point and laugh. Carry on. b:bye[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »OMG moronepeentrollalert /fakerage. Before tokens and packs? No. That was even less possible. Farming between 600 - 950m in 7 days that many months ago?
lolwut? Ok, who said anything about farming 600-900 million in 7 days? Where did you pull this number out of your ***? Reference or link please? If you're talking about Rose, she farmed it over SEVEN WEEKS.
What part of the word WEEKS do you fail to grasp or misunderstand? Is there such a debilitating mental issue or scotoma that prevents your understanding or comprehending the word WEEKS = DAYS?
Seriously... BTW, full 3-3 runs only took 20-30 minutes sans minister when you could hold multiple instances and run them every day for a week? During double drops, I was doing 8-10 3-3's a day... sometimes more. My best after splits was about 60m in one day. I've had 2-3 Illusion Stones drop in a day.
So I don't know how capable your farming party was, but we could do 3-4 3-3's per hour. If you know what the drop rate frequency of doing all bosses during double drops, but we were getting 3x-4x effective drop rates during that time, easily 20-30m per day for each person in the party.
Even during the last 2x drop that lasted 4 days, I farmed over 80 Raptures for my 1st cast weapon... At 2.1m each on lost City that would be over 40m per day, just running Nirvana in 2 and 3 way split parties.LOL. Yeah, if you got an illusion stone every day for seven weeks. Honestly, just because someone understands something is possible doesn't been they are as naive to think it's that probable, especially when merchanting was not mentioned. When you can not exaggerate **** (look at who wags his little penor.. it's you with your +12 tweezers) for the sake of an internet audience, maybe then you'll realize that you weren't impressing anyone to begin with. However, it's obvious you still think you are, who I dunno whether to cry tears of laughter or point and laugh. Carry on. b:bye
Exaggeration? Just being honest. Just because you're an idiot and didn't take advantage or didn't have the ability to farm when the farming was good isn't my problem, but I'm hardly exaggerating. Someone like Firey Devil probably made 100-200m in farming runs during 2x drops per day.
Anyway, you an idiot. It's an insult, but it's apparently quite true. I was replying what I had done during about a 2 month period in comparison to what Rose or many other people did during the same time. Apparently your inability to farm when the drops are good are pretty pathetic, cause I know a whole bunch of people that farmed WAY more coin than I did during the time. Apparently you're not one of them, so boo hoo I'm bragging and you're an idiot who can't PvE. lol
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EDIT: I guess you also didn't realize... X *and* Rose both farmed Rank 8 together in about 2 months. That's Rank 8 TWICE. FOR TWO DIFFERENT CHARACTERS. nub. lolI post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.0 -
WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »hey good job, you managed to make him look stupid without using an insult. its rare to find people who can do it too. insinuations arent insults, so that is win too. high five.
And that should be done because...? I don't get it; Michael is one of the best posters on the forums. Janus questioned Reds farming abilities. If you can't do it yourself it doesn't mean it's impossible. His post was free of insults, I give him that.
If Kitamura told me he's making 150m per day by farming with 2x drops I wouldn't question it. Same goes for other high-level LC players. Of course I haven't seen them farming anything but it definitely is not impossible considering the drop rates, how fast the TTs can (or could, whatever) be run and how much the mats are worth.100% F2P player. Started PW: March 2007, Quit PW: March 2011.
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me... a bit off the ideaMichael_dark - Lost City wrote: »I completely farmed:
205m for my Scroll of Tome
225m+ +1-+11 on my Lunar Claws
400m+ 1st Cast Nirvana weapon.
22m for socket stones to 2 socket 99 gold.
30m+ for Cheinkun stones to transfer the 2 sockets...
Pretty sure that would easily get me Rank 8 if I had wanted. That's maybe a bit more than half of what I farmed or merchanted in about the same amount of time that Rose farmed her Rank 8.
no doubt that you could get r8 but a 5aps char isnt actually born 5aps and you needed 1 item at a time to get better to farm faster and better. its kinda impossible to stay 1.43 and get r8 for your alt as an example. as a veno, yes theoretically i can farm r8 too but getting 1 item at a time doesnt improve my pet or my debuffs at all so its all linear and enormous amount of time spend. that means i dont get better at farming after a certain early point where i got minimum needed.0 -
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no doubt that you could get r8 but a 5aps char isnt actually born 5aps and you needed 1 item at a time to get better to farm faster and better. its kinda impossible to stay 1.43 and get r8 for your alt as an example. as a veno, yes theoretically i can farm r8 too but getting 1 item at a time doesnt improve my pet or my debuffs at all so its all linear and enormous amount of time spend. that means i dont get better at farming after a certain early point where i got minimum needed.
Well I didn't get the interval all at one time. What I farmed during that stretch was when I was already at +6 claws and 4.0 sparked, and worked to get my refines higher, my last piece of interval etc... I didn't even have my first piece of 99 gear until I was 101 and started heavily farming. All the rest of the pieces were obtained gradually by farming, with the exception of the interval cape, which I cashed in for shortly before coral packs came out.
What you quoted was farmed with either 2 or 3 highly refined 5aps with one ep, mostly during 2x....
And as for farming... The following was just posted. 3-3 with the new changes in about 20 minutes. This party could run 20 3-3's in 5 hours and they would most likely make 20m in drops each from that many runs with just a little luck, even more during double drops:Templar - Sanctuary wrote: »"3-3 speed run
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9bs5dsROGM
We did it in around 20min give or take , I bet we could do much better but we didn't have cleric ( missing 1 person ) until like emperor.
It was nice run as well , Armageddon Boss dropped illusion stone and Steelation ( green one ) gold mat as well
I wish I had a party that could run a full, not saved, 3-3 in 20 minutes. I'm pretty sure they could easily make 200m+ a week each.I post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.0 -
well i only read the last few posts. i was just saying that you improve yourself and auto-generate more money in time since interval gear itself do that but as veno or other classes was all kinda linear.
about that video no doubt that with 2x event that squad could get insane amount of money required for r8 in just 1-2 weeks. yesterday i tried stellation 3-3 like 2 times and just realized how useful and time efficient (and broken class in the same time) is to replace bm's and barbs with sins (even with average aps) and just get like 1 bm that has enough aps to spam dragons.0 -
Grats for exploiting an obvious glitch hope you're proud of it. Instances weren't meant to be saved end of story, that's why they fixed, although it took ages like most of their fixes take. But I guess hypocrites will always need to use glitches to farm faster and then tell others to "stop being lazy".Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »Seriously... BTW, full 3-3 runs only took 20-30 minutes sans minister when you could hold multiple instances and run them every day for a week? During double drops, I was doing 8-10 3-3's a day... sometimes more. My best after splits was about 60m in one day. I've had 2-3 Illusion Stones drop in a day.
Not to mention 2x drops... lmfao I sooo love it how those most complaining about it are Rose and Michael when they seem to have benefited so much from it... is it because you're jealous other people could get a chance too now and be better than you? In either way, hypocrite alert again.
I was a low level during most of 2x drops and now I don't get more because of stupid moronic hypocrites like you whining on the forums about them because you're done with most of your farms and don't want others to get the chance. Do us all a favor and since you're kinda "done" with farming quit the freakin game instead of giving advices of how others should farm their stuff, just because you're jealous they'll catch you up.
(you = plural, including Michael, Rose and all other hypocrites like them who took advantage and loved 2x drops but now hate them to come back)First 103 on Raging Tide 30 Oct 2010
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Actually, my math was right, I was just drunk and said days when the calculation was in weeks, turdboy. Otherwise, 7 days would have been over 100m per day. b:chuckleMichael_dark - Lost City wrote: »lolwut? Ok, who said anything about farming 600-900 million in 7 days? Where did you pull this number out of your ***? Reference or link please? If you're talking about Rose, she farmed it over SEVEN WEEKS.
What part of the word WEEKS do you fail to grasp or misunderstand? Is there such a debilitating mental issue or scotoma that prevents your understanding or comprehending the word WEEKS = DAYS?
In other words, multi-clienting? To get 20-25m per day is what, 3-6 saved runs per day, assuming you even get good golds? For seven weeks? b:chuckleSeriously... BTW, full 3-3 runs only took 20-30 minutes sans minister when you could hold multiple instances and run them every day for a week? During double drops, I was doing 8-10 3-3's a day... sometimes more. My best after splits was about 60m in one day. I've had 2-3 Illusion Stones drop in a day.
She said with ONE other person. Not a farming squad. Obviously your reading skills are beneath you. I farmed nirvanas and TT's, duo, with my girlfriend (3-3's before the change as they were more plausible for a duo squad). I stated this numerous times. If mister tweezer e-peen was actually paying attention he would have seen posts saying I was a braggart when in fact they, I'm sure, meant to be reading your posts instead. The difference was, I didn't need to exaggerate.So I don't know how capable your farming party was, but we could do 3-4 3-3's per hour. If you know what the drop rate frequency of doing all bosses during double drops, but we were getting 3x-4x effective drop rates during that time, easily 20-30m per day for each person in the party.
Anyhow, I have gone in 3-3, 3-2, nirvana, lunar, and so on with a full 5 APS squad, countless times, and when it was declared she had rank 8 farmed fist/claws weren't nearly as popular, with her "partner". Even the best players admit when they got Rank 8 that early they put some real cash into it. It's nothing to be ashamed of, exaggerating is. Or, in your case, being a dunce and having both terrible math skills and comprehension skills, and whatever personality disorder causes you to rage so bad. b:byeEven during the last 2x drop that lasted 4 days, I farmed over 80 Raptures for my 1st cast weapon... At 2.1m each on lost City that would be over 40m per day, just running Nirvana in 2 and 3 way split parties.
Exaggeration? Just being honest. Just because you're an idiot and didn't take advantage or didn't have the ability to farm when the farming was good isn't my problem, but I'm hardly exaggerating. Someone like Firey Devil probably made 100-200m in farming runs during 2x drops per day.
Anyway, you an idiot. It's an insult, but it's apparently quite true. I was replying what I had done during about a 2 month period in comparison to what Rose or many other people did during the same time. Apparently your inability to farm when the drops are good are pretty pathetic, cause I know a whole bunch of people that farmed WAY more coin than I did during the time. Apparently you're not one of them, so boo hoo I'm bragging and you're an idiot who can't PvE. lol
b:bye
EDIT: I guess you also didn't realize... X *and* Rose both farmed Rank 8 together in about 2 months. That's Rank 8 TWICE. FOR TWO DIFFERENT CHARACTERS. nub. lol0 -
I don't wanna go through this entire thread reading what everyone has said, but why should it matter if someone got a cash shop achievement?
At least if they spent irl money on it they did work for that money. In game farming doesn't fit into my definition of work. Clicking and typing doesn't take much effort. >.<[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Bleh, the new profile system does violate more and more privacy rights (which can be annoying sometimes), but if somebody wants to hide HIDE, (s)he will, no doubt.
There are a lot of hypocrites everywhere, on the forums as well. Rose is Rose, never minded her. If she gave some good info, cool, if she just .... umm... was less productive, I could care less, we all do that...
Michael is a different story. I used to think of him as a decent player (never saw him in game LOL), based on what he was writing about. Always helpful/funny, never a j3rk. However.... it all changed.... A month or so ago.. he started being obnoxious and... just an a$$. There were less and less of his productive posts, and more and more rage could be seen in his posts.
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Facepalm some more. I wish I had access to GM data to take total coin into economy then divide it by just the high level players. Wanna bet that on average that they do not have the resources you claim to farm?RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »/facpalm
Example: there's 30 high level players, but only 5 red mats, and suppose a TT100 is a requirement to be considered decent. Please kindly advice how this is possible. NO ONE CARES about the 5 who do have these weapons -- your "advices" are meaningless, they have no logic, so please keep facepalming yourself more because you cannot counter logic.
You are nothing special that can evade logic. Is this your first MMO where you were successful? As long as the average standard is not enough to sustain a high level "requirement" for "decent gear", or how a high level player should "farm", your statements are not advices, but braggings -- please kindly keep them to yourself and don't spread BS.
(of course, I'm assuming without cash shopping you see -- since you guys are always so full of saying you can do this and that without cash shopping! thought you keep forgetting that every CS item, best luck tokens (to get red mats in my example) are cash shopped by someone b:cute)
I'm not sure why you guys think you're so special and that the people who QQ haven't seen this kind of stuff everywhere else -- is it your first MMO where you were successful or something?
Now taking your farming rank 8 example:
Less cash shoppers = more expensive tokens = what it was farmable for someone is different for another = advice is BS = definition of "farming tokens" is BS.
Less cash shoppers than free players like you = YOU CANNOT GET RANK8 ON AVERAGE. You can say anyone can do it, but not everyone. If everyone cannot do it even with effort, it's not farmable.
oh wait, they can do it actually by farming rep the old fashioned way... too bad you didn't. I mean, people who QQ that doing stuff the old-fashioned way is too hard, you tell them "you want it on a silver platter". If it was ok why didn't you do it? Stupid argument is stupid.
Or maybe, here's another example. I go help people with quests and they voluntarily give me coins -- does that mean I farm coins? Nonsense logic.0 -
I disagree with the blaming. This is a game. If the game allows you to do something which isn't clearly a bug and the GMs haven't said it's bannable, then there's nothing wrong with doing it.Asheera - Raging Tide wrote: »I was a low level during most of 2x drops and now I don't get more because of stupid moronic hypocrites like you whining on the forums about them because you're done with most of your farms and don't want others to get the chance. Do us all a favor and since you're kinda "done" with farming quit the freakin game instead of giving advices of how others should farm their stuff, just because you're jealous they'll catch you up.
That said, what you're talking about is a problem with this game. In general, devs should never change games to become harder over time. If you do that, you end up in a situation where the first achievers had an easier time getting to where they are than everyone else, in many cases permanently cementing in their advantage over other players. If the devs feel they goofed and introduced something which is that unbalancing, then the item/change needs to be completely pulled from the game or nerfed across the board and (where applicable) money refunded.
The better solution is to slowly and constantly raise the bar. e.g. Year 1, having +50 vit from equipment at level 100 is the norm. Year 2, having +100 vit from equipment is the norm, and new instances and bosses are introduced with a higher difficulty level matching the increased hp. Year 3, +150 vit is the norm, with new matching instances and bosses. etc. That way nobody feels like they were disadvantaged by starting to play the game later. And imbalanced items slowly lose their unbalancing advantage over the game's history.0 -
Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »Facepalm some more. I wish I had access to GM data to take total coin into economy then divide it by just the high level players. Wanna bet that on average that they do not have the resources you claim to farm?
Example: there's 30 high level players, but only 5 red mats, and suppose a TT100 is a requirement to be considered decent. Please kindly advice how this is possible. NO ONE CARES about the 5 who do have these weapons -- your "advices" are meaningless, they have no logic, so please keep facepalming yourself more because you cannot counter logic.
You are nothing special that can evade logic. Is this your first MMO where you were successful? As long as the average standard is not enough to sustain a high level "requirement" for "decent gear", or how a high level player should "farm", your statements are not advices, but braggings -- please kindly keep them to yourself and don't spread BS.
(of course, I'm assuming without cash shopping you see -- since you guys are always so full of saying you can do this and that without cash shopping! thought you keep forgetting that every CS item, best luck tokens (to get red mats in my example) are cash shopped by someone b:cute)
I'm not sure why you guys think you're so special and that the people who QQ haven't seen this kind of stuff everywhere else -- is it your first MMO where you were successful or something?
Now taking your farming rank 8 example:
Less cash shoppers = more expensive tokens = what it was farmable for someone is different for another = advice is BS = definition of "farming tokens" is BS.
Less cash shoppers than free players like you = YOU CANNOT GET RANK8 ON AVERAGE. You can say anyone can do it, but not everyone. If everyone cannot do it even with effort, it's not farmable.
oh wait, they can do it actually by farming rep the old fashioned way... too bad you didn't. I mean, people who QQ that doing stuff the old-fashioned way is too hard, you tell them "you want it on a silver platter". If it was ok why didn't you do it? Stupid argument is stupid.
Or maybe, here's another example. I go help people with quests and they voluntarily give me coins -- does that mean I farm coins? Nonsense logic.
Do you realize that by you saying this- you are just encouraging your statement right? It is because of people with your attitude that make it possible for people like Red to farm rank 8 right?
So keep spewing your "logic" of it not being possible b:chuckle maybe I will get my rank 8 next because of it.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
well i only read the last few posts. i was just saying that you improve yourself and auto-generate more money in time since interval gear itself do that but as veno or other classes was all kinda linear.
about that video no doubt that with 2x event that squad could get insane amount of money required for r8 in just 1-2 weeks. yesterday i tried stellation 3-3 like 2 times and just realized how useful and time efficient (and broken class in the same time) is to replace bm's and barbs with sins (even with average aps) and just get like 1 bm that has enough aps to spam dragons.
3 sins, 3 demon BMs would prolly work better. 27/30 secs of double damage, during which those 3 sins are acting like 6 sins anyways (5.7 to be exact), plus the damage the 3 BMs can do triple sparked during HF downtime. The BMs simply add to the damage potential. Toss in Glacial Spike and Mire possibly, to amp even further. One BM with demon HF would make those 5 equal to 6.5, plus one BM. And 2 BMs would be capable of doing more than 80% of one assassin. That is with just HF and trip spark. 3 would be the max utility though for BMs.
Edit: Forgot to add, those 2 BMs would also be getting amped by the other BMs HFs as well.Fist are the worst at PvP AND PvE, if you disagree, as I said, take it to PM's or make your own guide. Go here if you want to debate about it. - Lyndura
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Asheera - Raging Tide wrote: »/stuff
See below...Asperitas - Lost City wrote: »They were against 2x while in the process of farming themselves, just sayin'.
You are right and even here on the forums I was against it but did admit that I did take advantage of it. Would there have been a reason not too since it was there anyways? O.o
But yes, you are correct, I was against it from the start and that included the 2x exp and sp.JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »Anyhow, I have gone in 3-3, 3-2, nirvana, lunar, and so on with a full 5 APS squad, countless times, and when it was declared she had rank 8 farmed fist/claws weren't nearly as popular, with her "partner". Even the best players admit when they got Rank 8 that early they put some real cash into it. It's nothing to be ashamed of, exaggerating is. Or, in your case, being a dunce and having both terrible math skills and comprehension skills, and whatever personality disorder causes you to rage so bad. b:bye
So skeptical that these things cannot be done. Prior to the changes, an archer was the main tank for all of the bosses (but Behe) in 3-3 and in 3-2. All you needed was 4 people to open and *poof* you were off. You did not need an OP squad of all 5.0.
I personally did more full runs then anything during this time, but keep in mind that 3-2 and 3-3 were different and you could run through 75% of the instance ignoring all mobs and head straight to the bosses in order b:embarrass
* Overall this entire thread has come down to this because of the new achievement system and tbh I think it is funny. More so because if people stopped for a moment and thought about it, this thread would not have come about. It is people who feel some odd need to attempt to "call" others out and in the process fail. It comes down to people thinking what they will regardless of anything else.
Those of us who are prolific farmers get more then enough: "OMG YOU CS'S EVERYTHING," and you learn to live with it. It has become laughable to the point of rolling ones eyes and *sighing*...
I think the overall point that I am trying to make is that those who complain or doubt just do not know how to farm in the game. I for one have "taught" more then a few people what to farm and how to sell. How are they now? Well, those people are upgrading gear and refines and such to the point of they themselves are now being classified into this strange uber mega cs group. It is funny...I know SO many people who have accomplished much more then myself and others without spending one cent on this game.
The fact is, if you know how to farm, what to farm and how to sell --> You CAN get anything you want in this game...but are you willing to put in the work? It could be quick or a much slower process, however, when you factor in everything = you CAN do what has been said here and much, much more. It is just the way it is.Borsuc wrote:If everyone cannot do it even with effort, it's not farmable.
Just another post from someone who is so pissed off at the game because they have yet to accomplish anything? The negative Nancy that you generate on just about every post you make, is one reason people take nothing you say seriously. And people CAN DO THESE THINGS...but it DOES take effort...A concept lost on more then a few it seems.
Oh and there have been some Wizzies who have FARMED their Rank 8 using HH as well. And I know of 4 people on LC FARMING HH for their Rank 8's and most are about 50% of the way there if not even closer. *shrugs* b:chuckle
Anyways..I said before, I will not get into another discussion on the definition of "farming" as it is a waste of my time. Although I would suggest you look up the definitions of farming...
Dang it...it has more then one definition b:shocked[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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