State of the Game - DQ Price

Darksylph - Heavens Tear

Jennalicious - Sanctuary wrote: »

Sad part is that it'll continue to be this way as long as people keep buying zen. Spending real money in this game is like saying that you support the actions of the dev's. I guarantee that if people stopped buying zen, then changes would be made. Gotta hit them where it hurts: in their wallets.

Unfortunately the marketting department doesnt view it this way & never will. If zen sales fall off & profit is down, they'll say "oh, not profitable, lets condense servers & eventually shut it off". They dont think about changes, just when its no longer making money, its no longer worth keeping alive. If they didnt listen to the consumers before, getting less money from consumers will motivate them to listen less, not more.

fulgida

Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Have you never heard the saying time is money? People now have to farm an extra 20% of the normal amount of time they used to farm to even have a chance of coming close to the similar amount of money they used to get - time that was used to do something else before hand.

With a 20% drop in dq prices you need an extra 25% of the time you used to need to get the same value in dq drops.

Other issues include your own costs (like repairs) which further increase the time you need to get the same value from those drops -- and because of how proportions work, this can be huge -- and other sources of coins (coin drops and non-stackables) which somewhat reduce the amount of time you need to get the same value from those drops.

Airyll - Dreamweaver

fulgida wrote: »

With a 20% drop in dq prices you need an extra 25% of the time you used to need to get the same value in dq drops.

Other issues include your own costs (like repairs) which further increase the time you need to get the same value from those drops -- and because of how proportions work, this can be huge -- and other sources of coins (coin drops and non-stackables) which somewhat reduce the amount of time you need to get the same value from those drops.

Now this all depends on what class you're playing.

As a 77 Herc veno my alt can kill relatively quickly, AoE grind with ease and generally has no repair cost at the end of the grinding session unless I go MP crazy and end up needing pots - which is rare because venos are the one class designed to regenerate both MP, HP or both in a matter of seconds. So as far as my grinding is concerned, an hour of grinding is an average loss of only 40k.

My point was more so that, even on a veno - the easiest class to grind on without worrying about pots or repairs - the money that you lose still adds up. In a week it's easily half a million I now lose because I generally can't grind on the same monsters for over an hour without getting incredibly bored and eventually being constantly AFK. For other classes who have more underlying costs than a venomancer, no doubt there's potentially a larger loss in money than before.

Weenie - Dreamweaver

Why is this game progressively getting worse for people that don't cough up excessive amounts of money?

Squeakytoy - Dreamweaver

Weenie - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Why is this game progressively getting worse for people that don't cough up excessive amounts of money?

Because PWE started to get greedy, then realized their stock was dropping; panicked, and started spamming the Cash Shop to try and make up for lost revenue. Rather than do the smart thing and stimulate consumers by fixing bugs, and introducing content that might actually keep people interested in the game.

Lesthar - Heavens Tear

Weenie - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Why is this game progressively getting worse for people that don't cough up excessive amounts of money?

Because the game culture has changed to fast leveling (hypers, BH, other dailies), bigger and faster (aerogears, mounts) but also gambling (guess what) and fashion... all boutique-related. There are also limited sales (get before they disappear, NOW!) like now.

Spend to remain in the competition seems to be the motto. I'm extremely glad I never opted for it.

The possibility of taking it easy and patiently (yes, even grinding) is heavily frowned upon by the higher ones. All's now is cashcashcashcashcash.

Yulk - Heavens Tear

Squeakytoy - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Because PWE started to get greedy, then realized their stock was dropping; panicked, and started spamming the Cash Shop to try and make up for lost revenue. Rather than do the smart thing and stimulate consumers by fixing bugs, and introducing content that might actually keep people interested in the game.

Greed breeds more greed. It is the gold trading problem, raising gold prices, dq nerf, 3* decomp nerf. At first, it wasn't fair for PWE, but now its not fair for free players. For people to abuse something, it will be taken down sooner or later. Which was why packs existed. If people learn how to trade fairly. It would of been more reasonable, and negotiable for both sides instead of flip sides of the coin

Lesthar - Heavens Tear

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Greed breeds more greed. It is the gold trading problem, raising gold prices, dq nerf, 3* decomp nerf. At first, it wasn't fair for PWE, but now its not fair for free players. For people to abuse something, it will be taken down sooner or later. Which was why packs existed. If people learn how to trade fairly. It would of been more reasonable, and negotiable for both sides instead of flip sides of the coin

Bah, what's fair now in this world? It does not pay to be too honest (even if I am). That and when it is about pure profit, fairness is not always around.
Oh and it seems you completed my theory/explanation. Thanks.

Jennalicious - Sanctuary

Darksylph - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Unfortunately the marketting department doesnt view it this way & never will. If zen sales fall off & profit is down, they'll say "oh, not profitable, lets condense servers & eventually shut it off". They dont think about changes, just when its no longer making money, its no longer worth keeping alive. If they didnt listen to the consumers before, getting less money from consumers will motivate them to listen less, not more.

Sounds like we're screwed no matter what we do. -.-

Lesthar - Heavens Tear

Jennalicious - Sanctuary wrote: »

Sounds like we're screwed no matter what we do. -.-

The risk of a vicious circle indeed.

fulgida

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Greed breeds more greed. It is the gold trading problem, raising gold prices, dq nerf, 3* decomp nerf. ...

You illustrate one of several problems here:

* We have people making up facts however they feel like and just spouting off about them.

The real problem is that writing good programs is hard. PWE is, despite being a relatively old game, better than a lot of other games out there. But it is good because the programmers took some shortcuts and those shortcuts make cheats possible. In PWI, the GMs are pretty good about banning people that cheat. However, in another country the GMs are not so capable. And, to deal with their issues with cheaters, they have been disabling some of the shortcuts and nerfing the game to make cheating not so viable.

Or that is what I have been told (*points start of this thread, for some examples*), and that matches things I have seen, and absolutely no one has offered any credible evidence whatsoever to the contrary.

ValFera - Heavens Tear

Well i see that we are steadily approaching 2 months since any update (49 days to be exact and page 8) since anyone cared to update us on this. b:angry

Just wish they would grace us with a "update - still working out details" I mean how hard is that??? b:irritated

Are the GM's / DEV's hoping we will move on and forget about it, or are they too busy with thier "new babies" BOI and HOTK? b:sad


Truthfully i could care less one way or the other about this, but if you SAY you are going to do something i am a firm believer in keeping your word. b:scorn

Tremblewith - Heavens Tear

Lol I posted this a while back but still seems appropriate:

What's actually pretty comical, is the "compensation" is too late now. It SHOULD have came out when they nerfed the DQ prices, but instead they nerfed them anyways, with no compensation. The damage was "going" to be done, HAS already happened. What you see now is what the QQ was about.

GG PWE, you fail once more to give your customers/players what they deserve. Unless you plan to give everyone money now as well as the compensation, it's game over for this "DQ Price drop". Too bad you never learn...

When PWI finally dies, and all there is are hardcore CS's left, maybe then you'll realize your horrible mistakes. Until then, I'll keep calling you what your team is (This is for the Devs in China/Devs in the USA): Morons. 

EDIT: Just for people wondering - it's almost been 2 whole months of nerfed DQ drops. I can assure you they GMs have lied and we will not get any "Compensation".

I don't know why this thread is still here. Should be in the depths ages ago, because just like Lunar, ranking, and a proper Duke shouting Wraith attacks, races, and veno pets... They will never be fixed/completed and are all "WE ARE WORKING ON IT PLEASE DEAR GOD OH GOD HOLD ON JUST A LITTLE BIT LONGER PLEASE, DID I FORGOT PLEASE!?!???!?!!?".... It's a joke really. If a company does this to their customers, they are a joke - which, in that case when people make "spam" on these forums, I love it. It's funny because just about the only thing they do is lock threads and break in-game things nowadays.

Your not supposed to be able to freely express your thoughts on this game via the forums, even if it is "nicely" done, with no profanity etc. Well thought out topics just get locked and mods/GMs say "Send a ticket", which if you do, you get an automated response 1 1/2 weeks later saying "DON'T WORRY, ITS BEING WORKED ON!!". Lol, this company runs games horribly, please hand over your jobs to someone who knows how to run an online MMORPG. b:bye

NightRage - Raging Tide

This ^

frankieraye

Hey guys,

I realize that it's been a while since this issue was first brought up and officially responded to, and that a lot of you have grown weary of the "We're working on it" answer, but for now, with no new developments to report, it's all we currently can say. However, I do want you to know that we are committed to making every attempt to resolve this issue, and the fact that this sticky remains stuck is, in my opinion, evidence of this commitment.

We'll be sure to keep you all posted in the coming weeks as any developments materialize.

LifeHunting - Heavens Tear

I really think everybody stopped giving a damn, frankie


More people are just hatin' on you guys for all the packs.
Along with that, the fact you guys didn't disable Duke Shouts for Perfect - Tokens of Luck

Airyll - Dreamweaver

Frankie,

Between another round of packs in an emergency maintenance that was aimed at an entirely different sale.

Between the fact Duke's mute was removed, but it was seen fit to allow him to bellow about tokens of best luck - the easiest thing to win from packs since they cane out and especially since their drop rates for everything else was nerfed.

Between constant 2x drops/EXP/spirit.

Between the sheer lack of response in this thread even when things were 'only being worked out'.

People have stopped caring. You can only **** your customers over so many times before they eventually say "**** you" right back at you, and PWE is fast approaching this point if it has not already reached it. While I'm sure many appreciate the effort, two, three months later is simply far too late.

Bean - Lost City

frankieraye wrote: »

Hey guys,

I realize that it's been a while since this issue was first brought up and officially responded to, and that a lot of you have grown weary of the "We're working on it" answer, but for now, with no new developments to report, it's all we currently can say. However, I do want you to know that we are committed to making every attempt to resolve this issue, and the fact that this sticky remains stuck is, in my opinion, evidence of this commitment.

We'll be sure to keep you all posted in the coming weeks as any developments materialize.

To be frank frankie, if I may call you that ? (Silence is always acquiescence b:victory). Most people are angry for that very reason. The fact that you are "still working on it" when indeed, after 2 months of no development to report (thus no new development), it can make an optomist very skeptical.

The only way the game is currently functioning and that prices are increasing is not the natural increase of gold by farming up DQs, you now have a situation where the games economy is artificially bulked up by the perfect tokens of luck which concentrates the wealth in the hands of the few CS elites who have the cash to shell out on the packs. Thus the newbie players can not get their hands on gears that they otherwise would be able to purchase while the items that are abundantly horded by the richer players stay horded within their vaults, creating an impasse.

If indeed this game is to remain free to play, you must be able to play it for free, I am still committed to the belief that there is a way to play this game for free, but for most players getting gear and skills after level 60 is starting to reach the level of impossibility.

Either you guys slash the price of potions and repairs or you double DQ drops, but with this current situation players will not only grow "weary" but disillusioned much more than they already are by the Visa Warriors (who by the way are the most imba class in this game).

LifeHunting - Heavens Tear

Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Frankie,

Between another round of packs in an emergency maintenance that was aimed at an entirely different sale.

Between the fact Duke's mute was removed, but it was seen fit to allow him to bellow about tokens of best luck - the easiest thing to win from packs since they cane out and especially since their drop rates for everything else was nerfed.

Between constant 2x drops/EXP/spirit.

Between the sheer lack of response in this thread even when things were 'only being worked out'.

People have stopped caring. You can only **** your customers over so many times before they eventually say "**** you" right back at you, and PWE is fast approaching this point if it has not already reached it. While I'm sure many appreciate the effort, two, three months later is simply far too late.

^ this.....*sigh*.....Is cold hearted truth.

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

frankieraye wrote: »

Hey guys,

I realize that it's been a while since this issue was first brought up and officially responded to, and that a lot of you have grown weary of the "We're working on it" answer, but for now, with no new developments to report, it's all we currently can say. However, I do want you to know that we are committed to making every attempt to resolve this issue, and the fact that this sticky remains stuck is, in my opinion, evidence of this commitment.

We'll be sure to keep you all posted in the coming weeks as any developments materialize.

Ehh honestly I think you can call the Facebook Blessing the compensation and call it a day.

DQ - 30% less npc price
Facebook Blessing - grind 30% faster

it balances out.

MagicHamsta - Lost City

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

Ehh honestly I think you can call the Facebook Blessing the compensation and call it a day.

DQ - 30% less npc price
Facebook Blessing - grind 30% faster

it balances out.

Lols~
b:chuckle

NightRage - Raging Tide

frankieraye wrote: »

Hey guys,

I realize that it's been a while since this issue was first brought up and officially responded to, and that a lot of you have grown weary of the "We're working on it" answer, but for now, with no new developments to report, it's all we currently can say. However, I do want you to know that we are committed to making every attempt to resolve this issue, and the fact that this sticky remains stuck is, in my opinion, evidence of this commitment.

We'll be sure to keep you all posted in the coming weeks as any developments materialize.

Nice try, but we just don't care anymore. I really feel bad for you. It must suck working for such a joke of a company then getting the blunt force of all the angry customers that it has pissed off.

Tremblewith - Heavens Tear

Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Frankie,

Between another round of packs in an emergency maintenance that was aimed at an entirely different sale.

Between the fact Duke's mute was removed, but it was seen fit to allow him to bellow about tokens of best luck - the easiest thing to win from packs since they cane out and especially since their drop rates for everything else was nerfed.

Between constant 2x drops/EXP/spirit.

Between the sheer lack of response in this thread even when things were 'only being worked out'.

People have stopped caring. You can only **** your customers over so many times before they eventually say "**** you" right back at you, and PWE is fast approaching this point if it has not already reached it. While I'm sure many appreciate the effort, two, three months later is simply far too late.

Holy hell. Wow, I couldn't have said this better myself. +9000, thank God someone understands how I feel. This is what a very large percentage of the community feels, and it's only going to get worse. Lack of caring on PWE's part about this game has greatly shown. It's been nearly 2 months, and we're finally getting a response - one that was just the same 2 months ago. As for this "DQ Price Reduction" - it's already happened. You can't fix this now... Your 2 months to late. All the compensation in the world can't fix this now. What are you going to do? Give free coin to all players? No, of course not.

Basically to be honest, your company's lack of just everything has done itself in. The game is a big game, and you can't expect the players to want responses once every 2 months on issues, and have such huge issues not fixed before being brought into the game. Simply put - this is just another prime example of how PWE screws over it's players. The players can't be expected to believe anything a GM, dev, or w/e says as due to past experiences why believe 'em?

Before your time here at PWI's forums as the CM Frankie, there was Eatwithspoons, and some other common GMs on these forums. At one point Gold in-game began to rise from the normal 100k to 200k or so, and huge rants we're brought to the forums. A GM came and made a post saying "We are monitering the in-game gold costs, and there is no need to worry. By bringing Jolly Jones into the game we will create a coin sink and Gold will go back to 100k". Well this never happened - actually Gold rose, and as I'm sure your aware today - sells for much more.

Before your time as CM here on PWI forums Frankie, when Anni packs had just came out, there was a huge outcry on the forums. Posts after posts after posts - people we're obviously angry. At one point, a GM (It might have been eatwithspoons - the current CM at that time), created a stickied thread on the PWI forums saying basically "Put all your QQ and the packs here, and we will take actions!". Over 100+ pages - I think nearly 150 pages, were created with the voices of the community. Where did this get anyone? No where. Packs stayed, GMs and the Marketing team saw it created higher gold, more gold buyers, etc and kept bringing them back - based upon "Greed".

Before your time as CM here on PWI forums Frankie, Lunar had been "Remodeled", but was in a "Do it at your own risk" state. Portions of Lunar were basically under construction, and everyone was told - "Oh guys, relax. We'll have it back up asap." Lunar still isn't up fully. Nothing was done.

Lets not forget the whole "Rankings will be up soon, they are being worked on", "Bug fixes are on their way, everyone please relax!", and the now comical one "We are working on unmuting the Duke so he will shout Races, and Wraith events, but please be patient".

How are the players supposed to trust GMs, Devs, Marketing teams, PWE, CMs???? They can't. We've been lied to, told off countless times, and when we bring this stuff up - threads get ignored and locked. When we take this to tickets we get an automated "It's alright!!!" response 1 1/2 weeks later. Personally I'm sick of seeing my friends quit this game because your company thinks they are running a "Joke game".

And no, I don't fully put blame on GMs, or CMs. The issue is that clearly nothing is being done about any in-game issues, no one from PWE cares, and when we bring this up we are shunned.

Jennalicious - Sanctuary

Tremblewith - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Holy hell. Wow, I couldn't have said this better myself. +9000, thank God someone understands how I feel. This is what a very large percentage of the community feels, and it's only going to get worse. Lack of caring on PWE's part about this game has greatly shown. It's been nearly 2 months, and we're finally getting a response - one that was just the same 2 months ago. As for this "DQ Price Reduction" - it's already happened. You can't fix this now... Your 2 months to late. All the compensation in the world can't fix this now. What are you going to do? Give free coin to all players? No, of course not.

Basically to be honest, your company's lack of just everything has done itself in. The game is a big game, and you can't expect the players to want responses once every 2 months on issues, and have such huge issues not fixed before being brought into the game. Simply put - this is just another prime example of how PWE screws over it's players. The players can't be expected to believe anything a GM, dev, or w/e says as due to past experiences why believe 'em?

Before your time here at PWI's forums as the CM Frankie, there was Eatwithspoons, and some other common GMs on these forums. At one point Gold in-game began to rise from the normal 100k to 200k or so, and huge rants we're brought to the forums. A GM came and made a post saying "We are monitering the in-game gold costs, and there is no need to worry. By bringing Jolly Jones into the game we will create a coin sink and Gold will go back to 100k". Well this never happened - actually Gold rose, and as I'm sure your aware today - sells for much more.

Before your time as CM here on PWI forums Frankie, when Anni packs had just came out, there was a huge outcry on the forums. Posts after posts after posts - people we're obviously angry. At one point, a GM (It might have been eatwithspoons - the current CM at that time), created a stickied thread on the PWI forums saying basically "Put all your QQ and the packs here, and we will take actions!". Over 100+ pages - I think nearly 150 pages, were created with the voices of the community. Where did this get anyone? No where. Packs stayed, GMs and the Marketing team saw it created higher gold, more gold buyers, etc and kept bringing them back - based upon "Greed".

Before your time as CM here on PWI forums Frankie, Lunar had been "Remodeled", but was in a "Do it at your own risk" state. Portions of Lunar were basically under construction, and everyone was told - "Oh guys, relax. We'll have it back up asap." Lunar still isn't up fully. Nothing was done.

Lets not forget the whole "Rankings will be up soon, they are being worked on", "Bug fixes are on their way, everyone please relax!", and the now comical one "We are working on unmuting the Duke so he will shout Races, and Wraith events, but please be patient".

How are the players supposed to trust GMs, Devs, Marketing teams, PWE, CMs???? They can't. We've been lied to, told off countless times, and when we bring this stuff up - threads get ignored and locked. When we take this to tickets we get an automated "It's alright!!!" response 1 1/2 weeks later. Personally I'm sick of seeing my friends quit this game because your company thinks they are running a "Joke game".

And no, I don't fully put blame on GMs, or CMs. The issue is that clearly nothing is being done about any in-game issues, no one from PWE cares, and when we bring this up we are shunned.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

iamcleric

"The best thieves are those who can disguise themselves as not being theives."

Airyll - Dreamweaver

iamcleric wrote: »

"The best thieves are those who can disguise themselves as not being theives."

PWE failed pretty hard at this then didn't they? Because everybody cottoned on after the third pack sale and by now it's such common knowledge that you immediately know it's true along with the facts birds can fly, ladybirds have spots, and humans walk on two legs.

BigFIuffy - Archosaur

Honestly this game will be done soon. I expect the killer cash shop item to come out soon, there is nothing stopping the downward spiral this game has gone in. Frankie maybe you did not cause all the problems that we QQ about now, but in the same sense you have done nothing to stop it. The game is about Cash shopping now or Merchanting, and soon they will set cash shop items at a perminant coin price to stop the merchanting. I guess GMs job now a days is to watch as PWI destroys itself.

LeirtA - Lost City

BigFIuffy - Archosaur wrote: »

Honestly this game will be done soon. I expect the killer cash shop item to come out soon, there is nothing stopping the downward spiral this game has gone in. Frankie maybe you did not cause all the problems that we QQ about now, but in the same sense you have done nothing to stop it. The game is about Cash shopping now or Merchanting, and soon they will set cash shop items at a perminant coin price to stop the merchanting. I guess GMs job now a days is to watch as PWI destroys itself.

Or help and encourage it? New games, new suckers all over again better than pandering to us QQing in an old game. With this gone, bandwidth can all be allocated to the new games without having to divert any of it.

MsEvilness - Heavens Tear

Tremblewith - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Holy hell. Wow, I couldn't have said this better myself. +9000, thank God someone understands how I feel. This is what a very large percentage of the community feels, and it's only going to get worse. Lack of caring on PWE's part about this game has greatly shown. It's been nearly 2 months, and we're finally getting a response - one that was just the same 2 months ago. As for this "DQ Price Reduction" - it's already happened. You can't fix this now... Your 2 months to late. All the compensation in the world can't fix this now. What are you going to do? Give free coin to all players? No, of course not.

Basically to be honest, your company's lack of just everything has done itself in. The game is a big game, and you can't expect the players to want responses once every 2 months on issues, and have such huge issues not fixed before being brought into the game. Simply put - this is just another prime example of how PWE screws over it's players. The players can't be expected to believe anything a GM, dev, or w/e says as due to past experiences why believe 'em?

Before your time here at PWI's forums as the CM Frankie, there was Eatwithspoons, and some other common GMs on these forums. At one point Gold in-game began to rise from the normal 100k to 200k or so, and huge rants we're brought to the forums. A GM came and made a post saying "We are monitering the in-game gold costs, and there is no need to worry. By bringing Jolly Jones into the game we will create a coin sink and Gold will go back to 100k". Well this never happened - actually Gold rose, and as I'm sure your aware today - sells for much more.

Before your time as CM here on PWI forums Frankie, when Anni packs had just came out, there was a huge outcry on the forums. Posts after posts after posts - people we're obviously angry. At one point, a GM (It might have been eatwithspoons - the current CM at that time), created a stickied thread on the PWI forums saying basically "Put all your QQ and the packs here, and we will take actions!". Over 100+ pages - I think nearly 150 pages, were created with the voices of the community. Where did this get anyone? No where. Packs stayed, GMs and the Marketing team saw it created higher gold, more gold buyers, etc and kept bringing them back - based upon "Greed".

Before your time as CM here on PWI forums Frankie, Lunar had been "Remodeled", but was in a "Do it at your own risk" state. Portions of Lunar were basically under construction, and everyone was told - "Oh guys, relax. We'll have it back up asap." Lunar still isn't up fully. Nothing was done.

Lets not forget the whole "Rankings will be up soon, they are being worked on", "Bug fixes are on their way, everyone please relax!", and the now comical one "We are working on unmuting the Duke so he will shout Races, and Wraith events, but please be patient".

How are the players supposed to trust GMs, Devs, Marketing teams, PWE, CMs???? They can't. We've been lied to, told off countless times, and when we bring this stuff up - threads get ignored and locked. When we take this to tickets we get an automated "It's alright!!!" response 1 1/2 weeks later. Personally I'm sick of seeing my friends quit this game because your company thinks they are running a "Joke game".

And no, I don't fully put blame on GMs, or CMs. The issue is that clearly nothing is being done about any in-game issues, no one from PWE cares, and when we bring this up we are shunned.

I think that was a perfect summary. I'll just add in the recent duke announcements to that list. GM's quote was "Yep the Duke shouts are back, but don't worry, we've reduced the number of items that will generate a shout, so it shouldn't be anywhere near as ridiculous as last time." They clearly knew it would spam token of best lucks; they deliberately did it to tempt people into buying and opening packs, even though it would annoy many people. Do they care? No, it's all about the profit.

Kupuntu - Sanctuary

MsEvilness - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I think that was a perfect summary. I'll just add in the recent duke announcements to that list. GM's quote was "Yep the Duke shouts are back, but don't worry, we've reduced the number of items that will generate a shout, so it shouldn't be anywhere near as ridiculous as last time." They clearly knew it would spam token of best lucks; they deliberately did it to tempt people into buying and opening packs, even though it would annoy many people. Do they care? No, it's all about the profit.

Except that GMs didn't do anything. Dev's modified it, and GMs told us that "they" did it. I'm 99% sure that Frankie had no idea whatsoever what was going to happen. How do I know? Because if Kantorek doesn't know the patches completely and it's his job, how would Frankie know? This game is 100% identical to CN version in all other things except cash shop. If China decides that Duke spam is back, it will be.