Demons and Sages are not balanced

1246

Comments

  • Alexenokin - Lost City
    Alexenokin - Lost City Posts: 418 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Nakhimov - Lost City wrote: »
    Reading is good for you. I can condense it into text speak if you so desire though.

    lolwut...?
    I have officially "won the game"... Actually, I decided it was time to leave.
    Joined sometime in March of 2009 - right after Dreamweaver opening.
    Retired on March 16, 2010... 1 year later...
  • Nakhimov - Lost City
    Nakhimov - Lost City Posts: 1,829 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Now I remember why I used to think these forums were so hilarious.

    also l2p your class and anything is balanced. Except nix venos.
    Bladestorm lets you spin around like a carnival ride and do damage. Not using it is almost like having a move called Confetti Rocket Power Leap and saving it for "emergencies"
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    Nakhimov the Kingslayer of Kil'Jaeden's <Criminal Scum>
    wowprogress.com/guild/us/kil-jaeden/Criminal+Scum
  • Kyinus - Heavens Tear
    Kyinus - Heavens Tear Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    kk.....going back to topic.
    im a fist bm,and i was since pwi opened,just switched to veno for a bit.
    im going sage because:

    *as a fist bm at lvl 87 i got a hit per second of 1.67 so i dont need speed of the demon spark.

    *i would rather +30% attack all the time over 15% and +1crit.

    *cyclone heel lvl 10 will bring me to 2.00 hit a sec at lvl 90 so the sage time increase is better for me.

    *most tt bosses channel move is in intervoles of 10 sec so the sage cooldown time one would be better for me.

    *i do allot of dd so haveing +25% defence is better for me in my spark, an alive dd is better than a dead dd.

    *Aura of the Golden Bell:
    Sage: The Sage version of this skill will increase the physical defense by 90% of the equipment value for 30 min

    demon:phy defence is increased by 75% and you get another 75% phy defence for 15 sec, wat am i going to to do with 75% phy for only 15 sec..

    Edit:
    Nakhimov - Lost City wrote: »
    l2p your class and anything is balanced. Except nix venos.

    lol this is true.↑
    im tired of typeing so that is all for now.

    Edit 2 : fixed sage bell
    ty Alexenokin for nicly pointing mistake out.
    also i dont do pk, but i own at duels.
    99 fist BM W 2.50 hit a sec
  • _Surreal_ - Heavens Tear
    _Surreal_ - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,458 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    fail first post is fail...the skills for all 6 original classes are very balanced... dunno about spys and sins yet...but depending on what you like better from some skills one MIGHT seem better, this doesnt mean it isb:bye
    TheEmpire

    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Alexenokin - Lost City
    Alexenokin - Lost City Posts: 418 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Kyinus - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    *Aura of the Golden Bell:
    Sage: The Sage version of this skill will increase the physical defense by 90% of the equipment value
    demon:phy defence is increased by 75% and you get another 75% phy defence for 15 sec, wat am i going to to do with 75% phy for only 15 sec..

    just thought i'd drop by and fix this for you

    sage gives 90% pdef boost for 30min. straight up, clear and simple

    demon gives 75% pdef boost for 30min, straight up clear and simple... but it also gives an ADDITIONAL 75% ON TOP OF THAT for 15 seconds...

    basically, demon gives 150% boost for 15 seconds, then 75% boost for 29min45sec

    pro BM goes demon on this skill, and spams it during combat... ijs
    I have officially "won the game"... Actually, I decided it was time to leave.
    Joined sometime in March of 2009 - right after Dreamweaver opening.
    Retired on March 16, 2010... 1 year later...
  • Escorian - Dreamweaver
    Escorian - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,802 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Alexenokin - Lost City wrote: »
    pro BM goes demon on this skill, and spams it during combat... ijs

    ... yes cause a bm's mana pool is just large enough to waste 625 every 15 seconds. not to mention we should stop all dd and give you the extra defense.

    psh i am a fist bm and i went sage i like the bell i like the extra damage from the fists and i like the - time on the shadowless kick not to mention the extra time on cyclone heel.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    ty Nowitsawn

    Everything has its beginnings, but it doesn't start at one. It starts long before that... The world is born From zero. The moment zero becomes one is the moment the world springs to life. One becomes 2. 2 becomes 10. 10 becomes 100. taking it all back to one solves nothing. so long as zero remains... One.. Will eventually grow to 100 again.
  • Alexenokin - Lost City
    Alexenokin - Lost City Posts: 418 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Escorian - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    ... yes cause a bm's mana pool is just large enough to waste 625 every 15 seconds. not to mention we should stop all dd and give you the extra defense.

    psh i am a fist bm and i went sage i like the bell i like the extra damage from the fists and i like the - time on the shadowless kick not to mention the extra time on cyclone heel.

    we are of course assuming at endgame you have charms... ijs
    I have officially "won the game"... Actually, I decided it was time to leave.
    Joined sometime in March of 2009 - right after Dreamweaver opening.
    Retired on March 16, 2010... 1 year later...
  • Escorian - Dreamweaver
    Escorian - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,802 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Alexenokin - Lost City wrote: »
    we are of course assuming at endgame you have charms... ijs

    why so every cast can tick our charms?

    i think you troll too much.... ijs
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    ty Nowitsawn

    Everything has its beginnings, but it doesn't start at one. It starts long before that... The world is born From zero. The moment zero becomes one is the moment the world springs to life. One becomes 2. 2 becomes 10. 10 becomes 100. taking it all back to one solves nothing. so long as zero remains... One.. Will eventually grow to 100 again.
  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Alexenokin - Lost City wrote: »
    1) you have no idea who i am apparently

    2) i've played every class to endgame and both paths

    3) anyone who isnt half braindead would realize that both paths offer a variety of things better than the other

    4) dont reply until you know what you're talking about kthxbai b:shutup

    lol nub. Yeah, you're gonna get your main and pk me. lulz

    1) You're full of BS.

    2) You're full of BS.

    3) You're full of BS.

    4) Who are you? lol

    Edit: Please post your Char names from Oracle or any other non-pirate server. I'm sure there would be a lot of people that 'remember' you. haha
    I post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.
  • Lyritha - Heavens Tear
    Lyritha - Heavens Tear Posts: 447 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    nothing is balanced in the real world... you lose out on a skill set simply from being born in not the right place. Am I wrong? The game teaches a valued life lesson. Life is not fair. b:laugh
  • Alexenokin - Lost City
    Alexenokin - Lost City Posts: 418 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Escorian - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    why so every cast can tick our charms?

    i think you troll too much.... ijs

    how you figure every cast ticks the charm?

    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=a01c32fc0c6bfd80
    I have officially "won the game"... Actually, I decided it was time to leave.
    Joined sometime in March of 2009 - right after Dreamweaver opening.
    Retired on March 16, 2010... 1 year later...
  • Escorian - Dreamweaver
    Escorian - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,802 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Alexenokin - Lost City wrote: »
    how you figure every cast ticks the charm?

    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=a01c32fc0c6bfd80

    lol do you know simple math?

    25% of that mp pool is 541.5

    Demon Bell takes 625 mp

    you proved yourself wrong b:shutup

    nice fail lol b:bye
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    ty Nowitsawn

    Everything has its beginnings, but it doesn't start at one. It starts long before that... The world is born From zero. The moment zero becomes one is the moment the world springs to life. One becomes 2. 2 becomes 10. 10 becomes 100. taking it all back to one solves nothing. so long as zero remains... One.. Will eventually grow to 100 again.
  • Alexenokin - Lost City
    Alexenokin - Lost City Posts: 418 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Escorian - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    lol do you know simple math?

    25% of that mp pool is 541.5

    Demon Bell takes 625 mp

    you proved yourself wrong b:shutup

    nice fail lol b:bye

    hmm... momentary lapse of memory... forgot mana charms are ****ed up to tick at 75%

    ;shrugs; still same amount of charm usage, cant deny that
    I have officially "won the game"... Actually, I decided it was time to leave.
    Joined sometime in March of 2009 - right after Dreamweaver opening.
    Retired on March 16, 2010... 1 year later...
  • Escorian - Dreamweaver
    Escorian - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,802 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Alexenokin - Lost City wrote: »
    hmm... momentary lapse of memory... forgot mana charms are ****ed up to tick at 75%

    ;shrugs; still same amount of charm usage, cant deny that

    >.> you make no sense you said they didnt tick at all.

    think about it this way are you gonna provide me the 1 mil for the charm so i can spam my skill for you? i dont think so.

    no what your saying is that a bm should be spamming it every 15 seconds do you realize how much dd you would lose if you did that? not to mention if you try this in pvp everyone is just gonna laugh at you.

    there is no reason to spam Demon Bell and IMO Sage bell blows it outta the water you get 90% increase compared to the 75% (150% if you wanna waste alot of time and pots/charm spamming it)
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    ty Nowitsawn

    Everything has its beginnings, but it doesn't start at one. It starts long before that... The world is born From zero. The moment zero becomes one is the moment the world springs to life. One becomes 2. 2 becomes 10. 10 becomes 100. taking it all back to one solves nothing. so long as zero remains... One.. Will eventually grow to 100 again.
  • Alexenokin - Lost City
    Alexenokin - Lost City Posts: 418 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Escorian - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    >.> you make no sense you said they didnt tick at all.

    think about it this way are you gonna provide me the 1 mil for the charm so i can spam my skill for you? i dont think so.

    no what your saying is that a bm should be spamming it every 15 seconds do you realize how much dd you would lose if you did that? not to mention if you try this in pvp everyone is just gonna laugh at you.

    there is no reason to spam Demon Bell and IMO Sage bell blows it outta the water you get 90% increase compared to the 75% (150% if you wanna waste alot of time and pots/charm spamming it)

    how am i not making sense? i just said i forgot about the 75% part... was thinkin mana charm ticks at 50% like health charm

    also, i could care less if you want to spam the buff for me or not, i never said you'd be spamming for others

    if it takes you more than 15 seconds to kill a single enemy, you... no, just no... lol

    and that's a personal opinion, so no comment
    I have officially "won the game"... Actually, I decided it was time to leave.
    Joined sometime in March of 2009 - right after Dreamweaver opening.
    Retired on March 16, 2010... 1 year later...
  • Escorian - Dreamweaver
    Escorian - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,802 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Alexenokin - Lost City wrote: »
    how am i not making sense? i just said i forgot about the 75% part... was thinkin mana charm ticks at 50% like health charm

    also, i could care less if you want to spam the buff for me or not, i never said you'd be spamming for others

    if it takes you more than 15 seconds to kill a single enemy, you... no, just no... lol

    and that's a personal opinion, so no comment

    are you saying you can kill a boss in less then 15 seconds? are you saying you can kill mobs with 2 mil hp in less then 15 seconds? not to mention you said it yourself a bm should be spamming Demon Bell every 15 Seconds.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    ty Nowitsawn

    Everything has its beginnings, but it doesn't start at one. It starts long before that... The world is born From zero. The moment zero becomes one is the moment the world springs to life. One becomes 2. 2 becomes 10. 10 becomes 100. taking it all back to one solves nothing. so long as zero remains... One.. Will eventually grow to 100 again.
  • Alexenokin - Lost City
    Alexenokin - Lost City Posts: 418 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Escorian - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    are you saying you can kill a boss in less then 15 seconds? are you saying you can kill mobs with 2 mil hp in less then 15 seconds? not to mention you said it yourself a bm should be spamming Demon Bell every 15 Seconds.

    was talkin pvp... but sure, why not lol... spam it every 15sec on a boss, not like you dont have cleric buffs
    I have officially "won the game"... Actually, I decided it was time to leave.
    Joined sometime in March of 2009 - right after Dreamweaver opening.
    Retired on March 16, 2010... 1 year later...
  • Escorian - Dreamweaver
    Escorian - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,802 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Alexenokin - Lost City wrote: »
    was talkin pvp... but sure, why not lol... spam it every 15sec on a boss, not like you dont have cleric buffs

    and i pointed out try spamming Demon Bell every 15 seconds and watch how many people just laugh at you i can guarantee you wont have many pk kills if you do that.

    and i dont get what you mean? does a cleric buff you every 15 seconds or how about a barb do they buff you every 15 seconds? wasting time spamming and watch how fast you get kicked outta squad.


    Edit: have fun arguing endless points people will just prove you wrong on i am going to sleep
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    ty Nowitsawn

    Everything has its beginnings, but it doesn't start at one. It starts long before that... The world is born From zero. The moment zero becomes one is the moment the world springs to life. One becomes 2. 2 becomes 10. 10 becomes 100. taking it all back to one solves nothing. so long as zero remains... One.. Will eventually grow to 100 again.
  • Alexenokin - Lost City
    Alexenokin - Lost City Posts: 418 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Escorian - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    and i pointed out try spamming Demon Bell every 15 seconds and watch how many people just laugh at you i can guarantee you wont have many pk kills if you do that.

    and i dont get what you mean? does a cleric buff you every 15 seconds or how about a barb do they buff you every 15 seconds? wasting time spamming and watch how fast you get kicked outta squad.


    Edit: have fun arguing endless points people will just prove you wrong on i am going to sleep

    i'm going to assume you just tired, and that why you completely misread what i said...
    I have officially "won the game"... Actually, I decided it was time to leave.
    Joined sometime in March of 2009 - right after Dreamweaver opening.
    Retired on March 16, 2010... 1 year later...
  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Alexenokin - Lost City wrote: »
    i just said i forgot about the 75% part... was thinkin mana charm ticks at 50% like health charm

    Having leveled up every class to both spiritual culti's (especially getting 6 mana dependent classes to lvl 10x), you would have spent an immeasurable amount of time playing Perfect World, yet you forget something as simple as this?

    just lol.

    You lie so much it's just plain ridiculous. b:chuckle
    I post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.
  • _makina_ - Sanctuary
    _makina_ - Sanctuary Posts: 747 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    Having leveled up every class to both spiritual culti's (especially getting 6 mana dependent classes to lvl 10x), you would have spent an immeasurable amount of time playing Perfect World, yet you forget something as simple as this?

    just lol.

    You lie so much it's just plain ridiculous. b:chuckle

    Agreed, missing the 75% for mana charm tick is pretty careless since even if you don't cash shop.... spending 1.7+ mill (6 US dollars) on a platinum or 1 mill+ (4 US dollars) on a gold mp charm will make you notice or at least give a damn.
  • Alexenokin - Lost City
    Alexenokin - Lost City Posts: 418 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    just for the record: the only charm's i've used are the free ones from quests/supply stash

    i do not use cashshop charms, never have, never will

    and just to clarify: i mean mana charms. i do use health charms, but not often
    I have officially "won the game"... Actually, I decided it was time to leave.
    Joined sometime in March of 2009 - right after Dreamweaver opening.
    Retired on March 16, 2010... 1 year later...
  • _makina_ - Sanctuary
    _makina_ - Sanctuary Posts: 747 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Alexenokin - Lost City wrote: »
    just for the record: the only charm's i've used are the free ones from quests/supply stash

    i do not use cashshop charms, never have, never will

    and just to clarify: i mean mana charms. i do use health charms, but not often

    Cool story....
  • VILKASS - Sanctuary
    VILKASS - Sanctuary Posts: 278 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    i do not use cashshop charms, never have, never will

    and just to clarify: i mean mana charms. i do use health charms, but not often

    lol... b:embarrass well at least I'm getting some entertainment while doing wq...
    b:cute [SIGPIC]http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o160/ChisaiUsagi/wewewe.jpg[/SIGPIC] b:cute
  • Tomiko - Heavens Tear
    Tomiko - Heavens Tear Posts: 416 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    TigerLily - Lost City wrote: »
    You kinda type "idiotic ****" to and obviously have no clue about what work best for in endgame pk.

    Its always lower lvls that dont know the mechanics around pvp that sais "its all about playstyle" and equal bs...

    Its not about "playstyle" when one path gets an insane amount of crit and attack speed and the other one doesn't. That the case for all PHYSICAL CLASSES, sage gets chi, defense skills and higher base dmg which doesn't give you the extra boost you need for pk when everyone is pimped up in highly refined event gear. Its far harder to compete endgame as sage since you lack the most fundamental pvp tools in the game - speed and crit.

    Sage BM can never be a fist/claw beast with 5 attack per sec for example. Which currently is the best way for a BM to win the game 95+. Dont know a single pvp-active 100+ sage Bm that doesn't regret his choice badly today when we actually know what works and what doesn't.

    A sage archer can never compete with demon unless you spend several thousand dollars on rank 8. Sage has about 12% less crit and 30% attack speed. You cant even buy that with gear.

    Sage barb is weaker for any form of pvp but pulling cata in TW, compared to demon. Demon barb has 50-60% crit, far more than archers once onslaught procs, Demon Armageddon does 10% more dmg. The sage skills dont even come close to that in pk.

    Even when i started this game on Malaysian server like 3 years ago it was knows fact that demon = pk for crit and speed. All tho many at that time didn't realize how important it really was.

    It is known fact now tho for anyone that actually plays the game and isn't just assuming stuff because it sounds right like "every class is equal if you play them right". Its like they're trying to get new and un- experienced players to make bad choices at 89 and that bothers me.

    Dont go sage if you wanna pvp, unless you're a veno or wizards than both choices are good.

    ^This. Agree with all except for sage wizards.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncZG7p7jWP4

    Demon wizard > sage wizard.

    Welcome to PW, folks, this is a demon game, only classes that can pull off sage is Venomancer and MasterCard.
  • Nakhimov - Lost City
    Nakhimov - Lost City Posts: 1,829 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Tomiko - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Demon wizard > sage wizard.

    Please... no. Just no.
    Bladestorm lets you spin around like a carnival ride and do damage. Not using it is almost like having a move called Confetti Rocket Power Leap and saving it for "emergencies"
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    Nakhimov the Kingslayer of Kil'Jaeden's <Criminal Scum>
    wowprogress.com/guild/us/kil-jaeden/Criminal+Scum
  • Tomiko - Heavens Tear
    Tomiko - Heavens Tear Posts: 416 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Nakhimov - Lost City wrote: »
    Please... no. Just no.

    No what....
  • Nakhimov - Lost City
    Nakhimov - Lost City Posts: 1,829 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Tomiko - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    No what....

    Look at what I quoted, then look at your class. What information do you have to say that sage mg is worse? Justify plawks.
    Bladestorm lets you spin around like a carnival ride and do damage. Not using it is almost like having a move called Confetti Rocket Power Leap and saving it for "emergencies"
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    Nakhimov the Kingslayer of Kil'Jaeden's <Criminal Scum>
    wowprogress.com/guild/us/kil-jaeden/Criminal+Scum
  • Tomiko - Heavens Tear
    Tomiko - Heavens Tear Posts: 416 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Nakhimov - Lost City wrote: »
    Look at what I quoted, then look at your class. What information do you have to say that sage mg is worse? Justify plawks.

    I've played this game 29 months. Mage was my first class I've played it over six months on PW-MY. I wrote the first mage guide on these forums. I think I know a thing or two about mages, and I gave you all the information you needed in the video.
  • Tremblewith - Heavens Tear
    Tremblewith - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,558 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Lol@this thread.

    Okay guys, here's the thing. If your demon - your probably lookin' to kill people in PvP. Maybe not... Maybe you went demon because you wanted some demon skillz?

    If you went sage, it's quite possible that you wanted to be able to PvE more than PvP. Again, maybe not... Maybe you went sage because of the skillz.

    Overall, both classes are equal. I could've went sage for the PvE element - more HP, better tankin' and all. I went demon for PvP - better crits, and dmg. Although a sage can PvP perfectly fine, and a demon can PvE perfectly fine. It's really just a matter of opinion.

Categories