My "Age" ranting...

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  • Olba - Sanctuary
    Olba - Sanctuary Posts: 1,776 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Oh come on, how can everyone here be as blind as to only talk about the "My kids play this game" variant? Personally, I have had a few times when I have asked the Executors or higher to cut into a conversation that has simply been so overloaded with sexual innuendos that it made me plain disgusted. There's absolutely no reason why I would need to tolerate what borders of text-form cybering, even more so if it's just some random pervert having a moment.

    Myself, I have no kids, being only 19, but I do have a 9-year-old little sister. Of course, I'm not going to be rolling Saw on my TV when she's there to ask me about something. However, I am also not idealistic enough to think that protecting the kids works for too much. Personally, there never was much of that for me, since I haven't had much of a social life since I was 12. And yes, I, too, got countless hours of detention for swearing.

    If anything, I can see the "protecting my kids" argument as being a form of convenient ignorance, where the kids don't end up knowing stuff that they don't need to know or stuff that the parents couldn't really explain. And I'm not talking about Riemann's hypothesis here.
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  • Wrathfulsynn - Heavens Tear
    Wrathfulsynn - Heavens Tear Posts: 165 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Olba - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Oh come on, how can everyone here be as blind as to only talk about the "My kids play this game" variant? Personally, I have had a few times when I have asked the Executors or higher to cut into a conversation that has simply been so overloaded with sexual innuendos that it made me plain disgusted. There's absolutely no reason why I would need to tolerate what borders of text-form cybering, even more so if it's just some random pervert having a moment.

    Myself, I have no kids, being only 19, but I do have a 9-year-old little sister. Of course, I'm not going to be rolling Saw on my TV when she's there to ask me about something. However, I am also not idealistic enough to think that protecting the kids works for too much. Personally, there never was much of that for me, since I haven't had much of a social life since I was 12. And yes, I, too, got countless hours of detention for swearing.

    If anything, I can see the "protecting my kids" argument as being a form of convenient ignorance, where the kids don't end up knowing stuff that they don't need to know or stuff that the parents couldn't really explain. And I'm not talking about Riemann's hypothesis here.

    Generally, a faction will have some sort of chat limitations. Some don't care and hope you use your own discretion. (-_-) I think I saw a faction that was totally into the ERP thing. So, they weren't just condoning the cybering aspect, they promote it.

    The same set of options apply to you as they do everyone else. If you are in a faction that has more than a few people getting it on in the faction chat, and you are either disgusted or disturbed, you can simply leave. You can even use the blacklist function. Personally, I would leave. If the leader didn't pick better officers to control such things, and the officers had to be prodded into taking action, it's either bad leadership or you had no idea what you were getting yourself into when you joined. And heaven forbid you should be the only straight guy in a faction dedicated to ERP...with nothing but **** guys.

    In short, make sure you know what you're getting yourself into and find all the exits before you get comfortable.

    If you are a Chat ****, I think you need to either relax yourself or find another game. t(^_^)t

    Enjoy.
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  • FoxRunning - Heavens Tear
    FoxRunning - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,048 Arc User
    edited January 2010


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  • Wrathfulsynn - Heavens Tear
    Wrathfulsynn - Heavens Tear Posts: 165 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    There's that, too. =D
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  • FoxRunning - Heavens Tear
    FoxRunning - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,048 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Wrathfulsynn - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    There's that, too. =D

    im almost 50 IRL, been there, seen way too much, and have all the t shirts to prove it. i do let two of my kids play, but under watch, as to content and associates-early on in playing here, there was a child preditor running around HT, and one of my kids was talking to him. so now my husband and i are really careful. but most of the time, we are on as a group-with all of us, and our alts, we often do our own FBs and such!

    my husband and i, with our 17 year old son
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    our son, myself (with my cleric alt) and my husband and daughter

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    but as beautiful as this game is, it is most definintly not for children. not that it stops any, though....
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  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    it's really awkward when you figure out a kid is like 13 and asking what someone in fac chat meant when they made an innuendo tho. at first you're like AHAHAHAHA...but then you're like...a...ha...oh...****...
    Elena Costel: I wash my hands of this affair.
    Legerity: *drags you back* *stains your hands with said affair*
    Elena Costel: Noooo... I don't want to have a dirty affair with Lady Legerity...
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  • hemoglobin
    hemoglobin Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    man i would HATE to not be able to do a bh squad with anyone other than my parents LOL
  • XanZerstorer - Dreamweaver
    XanZerstorer - Dreamweaver Posts: 505 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    hemoglobin wrote: »
    man i would HATE to not be able to do a bh squad with anyone other than my parents LOL

    I can't even stand being in the house with my mom more than a couple weeks (it's been 3, I'm going home in 2 days, soooooooo glad). She wasn't as overprotective as she is since I moved out and got married... I wasn't monitored much as a child, I don't even recall having a set bedtime, none of the satellite TV channels were blocked, I was never restricted on music, games, and she had a good laugh when I broke my leg after drinking - and I was underaged at that time.

    I moved out, and poof, she morphed into someone who thinks midnight is late to go to bed, and who can't stand me playing MMOs at all. She also now monitors my web usage, my eating habits, how much time I spend with my husband, what I watch on TV...

    So I guess I'm thankful for my mom not playing MMOs. "Xan, you need this? You need that? Repair your stuff now! You need new gear. Yours isn't good enough. Pick up that quest! Wait for me! This is dangerous, you shouldn't tank this boss."

    My dad though? Any day of the week. He got me into gaming...
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  • Morty - Raging Tide
    Morty - Raging Tide Posts: 337 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Lot of parents are clueless, and are ignorant also to let there kids play and attempt to have a go at others.

    Its simple you either;

    1. Stfu and get over it, the game does not revolve around your rules.
    2. Find another game.
    3. Get your kids to find a game like tetris, thats offline.

    kthxbai.
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  • Konariraiden - Heavens Tear
    Konariraiden - Heavens Tear Posts: 6,505 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Morty - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Lot of parents are clueless, and are ignorant also to let there kids play and attempt to have a go at others.

    Its simple you either;

    1. Stfu and get over it, the game does not revolve around your rules.
    2. Find another game.
    3. Get your kids to find a game like tetris, thats offline.

    kthxbai.
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  • XanZerstorer - Dreamweaver
    XanZerstorer - Dreamweaver Posts: 505 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Konariraiden - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    HEY!

    b:angry

    ...DON'T BE DISSIN' TETRIS!!

    LMAO I was thinking the same. Don't go ranting on Tetris, it's an awesome game >=|.

    But I do agree with above poster. The game doesn't revolve around us babysitting other kids. At most, get these kids in your factions and block WC on their characters... well I'm mostly talking about young kids here (7-13). I knew a guy who let his daughter play on her own character on another MMO, and that's what he did.
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  • Rinari - Raging Tide
    Rinari - Raging Tide Posts: 199 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    hate to be the one that brashly says it (if it hasnt already been said)


    **** them. they dont like it, leave the faction. they dont want their kids around it? dont let the kids play. simple
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  • Aadi - Lost City
    Aadi - Lost City Posts: 4,449 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    XanZerstorer - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    LMAO I was thinking the same. Don't go ranting on Tetris, it's an awesome game >=|.

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  • Fangxing - Heavens Tear
    Fangxing - Heavens Tear Posts: 99 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Mmkay, to all parents who feel attacked for trying to babysit a bunch of partytime faction peers...let it go. Most likely those people are older and have been around the block far longer than you have, let it go, leave and make a faction for uptight adults. Sound like a good idea?

    However, I must say that my problem is not with the people who are trying to protect their child and parent them through the one thing that can destroy a mind, but the people who become livid when people curse, and make jokes about religion, race, sexual orientation, etc. You say respect them, respect that I want to tell a joke; don't look down your nose at me because I am saying what you are thinking. Why are you in a place where millions of people get on and can pretty much say what they want and complaining about it? If you hate it, turn it off, not hard.

    Rules are rules, we understand. But that should not make you censor yourself, just leave. A faction is a faction and there are a thousand more of them that will accept a good sense of humor. Just use common sense, nobody wants to see two people getting it on in text because they are lonely in real life.
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  • _MonoxidE_ - Sanctuary
    _MonoxidE_ - Sanctuary Posts: 123 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    With Pwi being a multi-regional game and all. There are people from all over the world, different countries, religions etc. In our faction we imply a few rules such as no sex talk, no politics , religion, race etc. Not just because kids play the game. (which I agree that kids shouldnt be, including my own kids who dont). But because everybody is different and what may be funny to one person might be offensive to others. In our faction we ask that people keep personal talk out of faction chat and only use it for faction related topics and seeking help. So far all of our members have had no problem and everyone seems to agree with that.

    In all though. There will always be someone who gets offended by things people do or say. No way around it. Kids will learn from other places regardless.
  • FoxRunning - Heavens Tear
    FoxRunning - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,048 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Barbariankev - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    yes she was constantly afk and it was a young kid
    but my point was if you must take care off a kid dont bother others with it a quick afk is something else but this would continue the entire TT

    i've seen kids younger than 10 years old ingame,who acted like it. not a good situation overall.

    oh, btw, while my family does squad together sometimes, its because its easier than trying to drag together one on the BH platform. we know how to work together,and its fun. most of the time, though, we are off doing our own things.
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  • XanZerstorer - Dreamweaver
    XanZerstorer - Dreamweaver Posts: 505 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Aadi - Lost City wrote: »
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMKTdrQqpNk

    LMFAO. Epic. Some time back I found the original "Tetris" song, some Russian folks song I forgot the title of... but this one is made of win.

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    Fangxing - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    However, I must say that my problem is not with the people who are trying to protect their child and parent them through the one thing that can destroy a mind, but the people who become livid when people curse, and make jokes about religion, race, sexual orientation, etc. You say respect them, respect that I want to tell a joke; don't look down your nose at me because I am saying what you are thinking.

    I agree with this, and I do meet this kinda people every now and then. I'll be honest, I sometimes spam for my faction as a "mature" faction; mature in some ways, completely off the wall others ways...

    I'm a foul-mouthed man, I have to admit, it's something I was never corrected on because my parents do the same. I swear every now and then, it's worse to hear me on Ventrilo, I CAN adapt to PG13 chat... but I prefer not to (once again, why we made Feral in the first place). So I invited someone in the faction, warned we're usually on the NC17-rating scale with no cybering whatsoever, they agreed to come. I swore a few times (IIRC 2 times in the sentence, and I was beyond pissed off). They PMed me saying they would leave the faction because there was too much swearing.

    Anyone else got this kinda thing happen in their faction? Or people leave squads because there's swearing or some random NC17 chat going on, instead of just blacklisting people or cutting off said chat for a little while? I mean, I'm not gonna rage-quit a team because they're being homophobic (I'll just keep doing my job while arguing like a madman, and when I've had enough I'll blacklist). But I've seen people do it.
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  • Devil_Vergil - Lost City
    Devil_Vergil - Lost City Posts: 224 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    its not about "being offended" really as much as it is about having an open mind and not being a complete jackass who thinks theyre better than everyone cuz they "dont swear" or "keep it clean"

    1. sum people swear and talk "vulgerly" just because thats how they talk...not cause they tryin to be funny or "offend" anyone
    2. EVEN if a joke is directed at YOU or makes fun of your race, color, religion, whatever WHOC CARES laugh it off , cuz im sure u do the same to others
    ex. im french canadian.... do i cry if sumone starts making canuck jokes or starts talkin bout how much they hate canadians or the french....NO....cuz its only a joke
    and if ANYONE is trying to insult you with stuff bout color, religion, etc....then they are obviously pathetic if they have to TRY and insult u with FACTS about yourself
    3. like everyone else has been sayin....if u dont like the "offensive language" in your faction....then LEAVE u dont HAVE to be in that faction, or play the game at all.
    Unlike real life this has a power button turn it off, if u dont like it.

    I dunno just to me its so damn sad that sumone has to complain about other peoples language...when INSTEAD of looking like a pompous "too good" for u kind of person, u can just ignore it ...or use the magic of blacklisting them.
  • Eragon - Harshlands
    Eragon - Harshlands Posts: 465 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Merci, everyone for entertaining me while I download this new bloody patch that wont download.
    Anywho.
    This is bull****. Simply, if people want to disrespect people and stuff, then bobs your uncle. its their choice. Im pretty sure the kid that blindly clicked the "I agree" button didnt read the terms of use, and somewhere in there it prolly says something. His problem. He agreed.
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  • Saitada - Sanctuary
    Saitada - Sanctuary Posts: 3,220 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Nowadays, if you were to do that, your parents would end up in court and paying a HUGE fine, while you would end up in Juvi, if it happened often, they could even loose custody of you and you would be sent to a state facility for troubled kids..... Pretty much every state has very harsh truency laws, and not showing up for detention counts as truency.

    Welcome to the 21st century. Big brother is watching you.

    That is funny. I used to shoplift just so I would get arrested and sent to Juvi. I'd take a candybar right in front of the 'security' guards, open it and eat it. looking at them the entire time. laugh at them and walk out of the store (at which point of course I would be detained').

    I was a malcontent then, and still am now. The only real difference is, I no longer do the silly stuff that would get me arrested (other than racing my car).

    My teachers tried everything they could to force me to do what they wanted me to do. The more they tried to force me, the meaner I got towards them in return until none of them wanted me in their classes.

    I even went so far as to burn my jr. high school principles car to the ground to make a point with him. He gave me swats for something I hadn't done.. I told him if he did it, I'd burn his car to the ground... he did... and I did. He was rather upset about that, and my stay in Juvi was a nice vacation from school.

    So realistically. There is nothing they can do at any level to force someone who doesn't care what their response will be to do what they demand of them if they are willing to suffer the consequences.

    ~DF
  • hemoglobin
    hemoglobin Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    yeah my mom didnt want me playing mmo's because "it encourages the killing of people"...wtf
  • FoxRunning - Heavens Tear
    FoxRunning - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,048 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    O_O


    i wouldnt brag about being a crimminal, if i were you.


    Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »
    That is funny. I used to shoplift just so I would get arrested and sent to Juvi. I'd take a candybar right in front of the 'security' guards, open it and eat it. looking at them the entire time. laugh at them and walk out of the store (at which point of course I would be detained').

    I was a malcontent then, and still am now. The only real difference is, I no longer do the silly stuff that would get me arrested (other than racing my car).

    My teachers tried everything they could to force me to do what they wanted me to do. The more they tried to force me, the meaner I got towards them in return until none of them wanted me in their classes.

    I even went so far as to burn my jr. high school principles car to the ground to make a point with him. He gave me swats for something I hadn't done.. I told him if he did it, I'd burn his car to the ground... he did... and I did. He was rather upset about that, and my stay in Juvi was a nice vacation from school.

    So realistically. There is nothing they can do at any level to force someone who doesn't care what their response will be to do what they demand of them if they are willing to suffer the consequences.

    ~DF
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  • XxIfritxX - Lost City
    XxIfritxX - Lost City Posts: 170 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    just spent more than 20 m reading what every1 said....damn u all I have final exam in 2 days b:angry
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  • Saitada - Sanctuary
    Saitada - Sanctuary Posts: 3,220 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    FoxRunning - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    O_O


    i wouldnt brag about being a crimminal, if i were you.

    Why? Because someone might get upset about it? Like I give three hoots what others think about me, their opinions of me means exactly nothing to me.. sorry to disabuse you of that notion that somehow I should be ashamed of my life... I am not, and am rather proud of the fact that I stayed true to myself, and didn't allow myself to become a mindless drone like most people do.

    People in my youth thought because I was not an adult, that I had no mind of my own, no thoughts that mattered, and that they somehow had a right to determine everything I did because they were the 'adults'. Sorry.. but I didn't buy into that lie then, and don't now either.

    I did what I did because I wanted to, because for me, it accomplished what I wanted accomplished. I spent more time reading things I wanted to learn, doing my own studies on topics I enjoyed and was interested in and learned what I wanted to learn.

    I am a better person for all of it. So with all due respect.. I am perfectly content with who I am. From head to toe. Can you say as much for yourself?

    ~Saitada
  • KittyPurrs - Sanctuary
    KittyPurrs - Sanctuary Posts: 21 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Some very interesting views and its funny to watch alot of people quick to get their defenses up and verbally back talk someones point of view. I in no way think you're better then the people who make sexual jokes. Or in some cases i'm sure everyone watches television, now a days its hard to find a good clean movie that has no cussing or sexual orientation in it! O_o honestly, i mean unless you watch carebears and cartoons all day long.. And in the "kiddies" comment but i'm sorry unless you know someones true age, don't be so quick to call them kids just because of something they've said. I am 23, and i find myself pretty mature to be able to hold down a conversation and not shy away from the "sexual" talk.
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  • Raygan - Sanctuary
    Raygan - Sanctuary Posts: 74 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    lol I hate that too. Too much sexual talk or cursing gets on my nerves, but the game is for teens + if you let your child play thats your choice but dont expect others to change for it.

    Its like my other issue about parents who bring their children to hockey games and get mad when I curse at the refs b:chuckle
  • hemoglobin
    hemoglobin Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Why? Because someone might get upset about it? Like I give three hoots what others think about me, their opinions of me means exactly nothing to me.. sorry to disabuse you of that notion that somehow I should be ashamed of my life... I am not, and am rather proud of the fact that I stayed true to myself, and didn't allow myself to become a mindless drone like most people do.

    People in my youth thought because I was not an adult, that I had no mind of my own, no thoughts that mattered, and that they somehow had a right to determine everything I did because they were the 'adults'. Sorry.. but I didn't buy into that lie then, and don't now either.

    I did what I did because I wanted to, because for me, it accomplished what I wanted accomplished. I spent more time reading things I wanted to learn, doing my own studies on topics I enjoyed and was interested in and learned what I wanted to learn.

    I am a better person for all of it. So with all due respect.. I am perfectly content with who I am. From head to toe. Can you say as much for yourself?

    ~Saitada

    this person sounds like an attention ***** to me. notice the long paragraphs i did this, i did that. well guess what honey, this thread aint about you! no one gives a **** how you felt as a child or how you feel now so get off your **** soap box
  • Saitada - Sanctuary
    Saitada - Sanctuary Posts: 3,220 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    hemoglobin wrote: »
    this person sounds like an attention ***** to me. notice the long paragraphs i did this, i did that. well guess what honey, this thread aint about you! no one gives a **** how you felt as a child or how you feel now so get off your **** soap box

    Sorry dumbass.. I'm not your honey. I'm a guy... which I thought you would have figured out by now. Considering all the times I have said it in these forums. Anyway.. I comment as I see fit, and I add explanation as needed to back up what I say, or why I think a certain way. That you feel the need to make comments like this really makes me laugh... at you.

    When I actually DO get up on a soapbox, you can bet it won't be over anything as old news as my youth. If your unable to discern, figure out, reason, or extrapolate on why I gave the explanation as I did, that is your problem because it shows how little you use the gray matter between your ears.

    When you start using that.. then maybe.. just maybe.. you'll have a clue.

    Till then... Baaaaaa Baaaaaaa little sheeple.. yer master is calling you back to the herd.

    ~Saitada
  • Panthalassa - Dreamweaver
    Panthalassa - Dreamweaver Posts: 319 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    hemoglobin wrote: »
    this person sounds like an attention ***** to me. notice the long paragraphs i did this, i did that. well guess what honey, this thread aint about you! no one gives a **** how you felt as a child or how you feel now so get off your **** soap box

    If that's what you think of him, why give him the satisfaction of pay attention to him in the first place? Even if it is only in order to point out that he's an attention seeker, attention is attention.
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  • BeingHope - Harshlands
    BeingHope - Harshlands Posts: 5,013 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Well I'm 14 so.... Here is my opinion about this <3

    For me, I don't know why but sometimes my friends
    kick me out of squad chat so I can't read whats going on....

    Usually I don't know whats happening so I don't really
    mind what people are saying in chat or on vent.

    Personally the PG-13 thing doesn't work in PWI
    because the game is "Fantasy Violence" anways
    rofl...

    :P Its interesting how older people in the game say to keep
    the language down and stuff.

    Personally I like it when people say that because
    I hate when other people yell in chat using words
    that people shouldn't tell others.

    But yeah... My side of the story... b:chuckle

    p.s. Please don't troll/flame this post... <__< I'm serious...
    Sick of people overlooking my post into something deeper rofl

    But my opinion of the PG-13, it doesn't work ingame or in vent.
    If you want to keep it separately, make different chats ingame
    or make an adult room in the vent like my guild did in RT o.O
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