Heaven (Sage) vs Hell (Demon)

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  • ineye11
    ineye11 Posts: 65 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Stop spamming forums with **** trukossy noob
  • CreamDrinker - Dreamweaver
    CreamDrinker - Dreamweaver Posts: 310 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Demon pure archer all the way, I am of the school of thought that your play is what counts when you make these decisions, however if you throw on fists as an archer and play sin D:< *smacks you* APS archers are **** and most I meet think that half their skills are useless *facepalms looks up demon spark demon stun demon demon thundershock demon lightning strike eyes glowing red.....oh you died at at demon stun xD*....*waits for rez demon stormrage eagleon walks away*....bottom line is aps is easy mode for PvE and if you use it then confess to your sell out make a sin and FC him to lvl 101 within a week buy R9 and pretend you have something to be proud of
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  • LyuKang - Sanctuary
    LyuKang - Sanctuary Posts: 216 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    People are still on that "Demon>>>>>Sage" thing?

    sigh...
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  • Decus - Dreamweaver
    Decus - Dreamweaver Posts: 5,033 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    CreamDrinker - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Demon pure archer all the way, I am of the school of thought that your play is what counts when you make these decisions, however if you throw on fists as an archer and play sin D:< *smacks you* APS archers are **** and most I meet think that half their skills are useless *facepalms looks up demon spark demon stun demon demon thundershock demon lightning strike eyes glowing red.....oh you died at at demon stun xD*....*waits for rez demon stormrage eagleon walks away*....bottom line is aps is easy mode for PvE and if you use it then confess to your sell out make a sin and FC him to lvl 101 within a week buy R9 and pretend you have something to be proud of

    Ew...
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  • _blood_rain - Sanctuary
    _blood_rain - Sanctuary Posts: 2,532 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    uh, wow >.>
  • doitwell
    doitwell Posts: 92 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    I could be wrong, of course, but how can a demon archer be so sure that a sage one is failed and vice versa? Isn't it possible that they just have different ways to play? They both have strong and weak sides, don't they?

    And... if you ask demon archers why they picked "Hell", 99% the answer will be "APS", no? So nowadays we have a lot of demon/sage archers being leveled in FC, with no skills etc., so what's the difference between them then - triple spark? Too many questions... Can Demon triple spark or Sage Winged Blessing change the situation? Can either of them be 5 aps with a bow/crossbow/slingshot? Well... some of them take claws and go to Nirvana or TT. Here we have a question again > what's better to be 5 aps demon or sage, and why?

    I'd like to mention, I'm not even trying to bring someone over to my point of view, but for those who're not sure > please, do try to find more information than we have here and make the decision by yourself. If you read someone's post here and then pick the wrong side, later you'll have the only 2 ways to go: start a new character from lv. 1 OR... change the side at lv. 100 and be redoing the culti (if I'm not mistaken) + get your lv. 11 skills reset, so either way is pretty expensive... they both take a lot of money and time.
  • Aesthor - Heavens Tear
    Aesthor - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,845 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    When I picked demon, 5 aps didn't exist.

    I went demon for the red spark, the hamburger fairy, and one of my friends found me HT's first (and only, at the time) demon winged blessing (anni packs came out that is).
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  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    doitwell wrote: »
    I could be wrong, of course, but how can a demon archer be so sure that a sage one is failed and vice versa? Isn't it possible that they just have different ways to play? They both have strong and weak sides, don't they?

    Or... there are people (myself included) who has access to both sage and demon archers. Ever thought of that?
    1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
    2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
    3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.

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  • doitwell
    doitwell Posts: 92 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Of course, not only thought... I have a friend who has 2 archers – demon and sage. But you cannot deny that not so many people can afford to have 2 characters of the same class, can you? Unfortunately, we play on different servers, so I cannot see your archers with my own eyes. So let me ask you, please, which archer do you play more, and why? Thank you.
  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Demon archers are telling you that demon is better. Sage archers are telling you that demon is better. R9 Archers are telling you that r9 is better. But non-factor archers will tell you that sage is better. Take your freaking pick.
    1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
    2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
    3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.

    Tokichiro - Heavy Armor Fish / Kiyoshi - Dual Blade Elf
  • IIluslion - Archosaur
    IIluslion - Archosaur Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    im a r9 Sage archer,

    and i like it.
    /peace out
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  • XKi - Lost City
    XKi - Lost City Posts: 103 Arc User
    edited February 2012
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  • Devoted - Lost City
    Devoted - Lost City Posts: 3,634 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    IIluslion - Archosaur wrote: »
    im a r9 Sage archer,

    and i like it.
    /peace out

    The way you wrote that sounds like you have a gun to your head. b:scornb:avoid
  • Sint - Harshlands
    Sint - Harshlands Posts: 579 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    So what... you expect to run around with quickshot always on? Unless they change the game... its 50% chance. What about the other 50% that it doesn't proac? Waste of 1s channel and .6s cast if it doesn't proac.

    Pretty sure (when quickshot doesn't proac) sage can fire off AT LEAST 1.5 arrow in the time it takes demon to fire off 1 quickshot. +50% damage (20k) > +2.5k damage... if you really want to play this game.

    At least 1.5? When did you last see a full r9 with 1.0?
    Fresh_Corpse - Sanctuary wrote: »
    well played >.>

    @ Kiyoshi: So what your saying is that you really have no support for anything you say aside from "Ihasrank9bow" Your argueing that archers dont kite, ever, even vs other rank 9's that can one shot them. Thats like saying "I dont need to take cover I can stop this bullet with my face"

    Every player with half a brain kites in pvp when its needed even meles.

    And seriously if you have that much trouble with bm's...lol

    he doesn't kite, cause hehasrank9armor. You should stand there and take hits like a man. Or endure kiyoshi's rage on your rl assets if you don't.
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Full +10 r9 armor archer would give about 10k hp (not counting shards)... and like 25 (est.) def levels. +12 r9 bow with 95 (est.) attack level could still one shot from full hp. I don't think you'll see r9 archer kiting each other... if one run... its running for good (or running until they see back up).

    And archer don't really kite against robe classes... if you can't kill them... there is really no point in kiting considering the damage they can do to you while you are on the run. With every last robe and their dog sporting holy path... kiting isn't much of an option anymore.

    Lets not even talk about kiting against 40k hp barbs or sins... there is just absolutely no point here. Unless your goal is to just harass the barb... since we all should agree getting a kill is not a possibility.

    So whats left... BMs? Any half brain BM isn't going to let you out run him on regular skills. So it all comes down to who has the longest holy path chain (alacrity). Which brings us back to the point... if you can't kill them the first time around... what make you think you can kill them the second time around?

    And regarding your reply. I am probably the only archer on HT with a 90% chance to remove stun (as far as I know). And cause of my dex genie... I also have the longest single holy path timer. If i can't kill someone during the first go... and got stunned in return. Yea... I can genie out... apoc immune... and holy path out. But really... with my genie drained and apoc timer on cool down. Chance are I won't be able to live through a second go at the same target.

    Figure you might want to kite/harass the bm, set him up to get pwned, then follow up by pwning. of course, tht's not really a viable approach if you're used to just holding down your normal attack key.

    To illustrate moments where kiting vs robes/archers is useful: Whenever they apoc/trip spark/antistun (in some cases).

    If someone hits fortify -> IG there is literally no point in me being there. So i walk out of range. If someone is stupid enough to triple spark without keeping me still, i run backwards. Then i proceed according to the skills tey have burned, the amount of chi i expect them to have left, and their genie energy (approx). If an equal/better geared archer lands in my range and tries to be funny with WoG, there is no point in me trying to basically win a shootout vs an opponent who can tank me better than i can tank him/her, so i generally either WoG a few seconds later or i gtfo, because, frankly, i prefer my shootouts to be situations where i have the advantage. Similarly, if a bm hits bodhi, i have no interest in sticking around, becuause the most likely result is not in my favour.
  • _blood_rain - Sanctuary
    _blood_rain - Sanctuary Posts: 2,532 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    You should probably check post dates before replying to them.
  • Sint - Harshlands
    Sint - Harshlands Posts: 579 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    _blood_rain - Sanctuary wrote: »
    You should probably check post dates before replying to them.

    kinda did, but i like this thread, and also, nobody else told kiyoshi his argument was ****.
  • _blood_rain - Sanctuary
    _blood_rain - Sanctuary Posts: 2,532 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Sint - Harshlands wrote: »
    kinda did, but i like this thread, and also, nobody else told kiyoshi his argument was ****.

    So you just did it to harass Kiyoshi???

    In the .1% chance that he dignifies this with a response it'll be something like " LOL im 4th sage R9 archer and you are USELESS!" and it'll be done with.

    It will accomplish nothing :l
  • AshenSkies - Heavens Tear
    AshenSkies - Heavens Tear Posts: 949 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Hurrdurr - Lothranis wrote: »
    Dreamweaver...sage archers....successful....

    Lucy_Black?

    Kind of late, but Lucy_Black disabled replying to his/her videosb:chuckle
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  • _blood_rain - Sanctuary
    _blood_rain - Sanctuary Posts: 2,532 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    AshenSkies - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Kind of late, but Lucy_Black disabled replying to his/her videosb:chuckle
    I noticed this. It's sad, maybe if he listened to comments he could have improved, tho admittedly most of them weren't exactly constructive criticism.
  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    _blood_rain - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I noticed this. It's sad, maybe if he listened to comments he could have improved, tho admittedly most of them weren't exactly constructive criticism.

    Considering the... er.... whatever you'd like to call it (because it sure as hell wasn't skill) that he showed in that video, you can't really blame most of them. And since he did disregard the few that attempted constructive criticism... b:surrender
  • Vindis - Dreamweaver
    Vindis - Dreamweaver Posts: 614 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    _blood_rain - Sanctuary wrote: »
    So you just did it to harass Kiyoshi???

    It will accomplish nothing :l

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  • IIluslion - Archosaur
    IIluslion - Archosaur Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Devoted - Lost City wrote: »
    The way you wrote that sounds like you have a gun to your head. b:scornb:avoid

    well kinda was isnt it :P

    kinda had a gun at my head, cause everyone says sage is bad.

    wich just isnt ;P

    Next:
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  • AirialAce - Raging Tide
    AirialAce - Raging Tide Posts: 43 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    ty for the guide,

    gonna make both so i don't rlly care my current archer will go sage soon :)

    now r8 and r9 are available,this guide does seem to lose it's effect.
    sages can get 3 aps with bow as well easilly,so aps advantage for lvl 100+ demons is kinda bull**** if you ask me unless you want 5 aps with fists wich is fail for a sage but pro for a demon)
    (have my genie with aps skill,and that is an aditional 1aps soon enough,tome=1 aps and that last 1-2 aps(bow's aps is maxed at 3 aps anyway) will be there if i get the darn r8 armor/tt-99/nirv or whatever i feel like.

    so i guess hell doesn't **** heaven on that point anymore.

    for the skills,well i look even more forward of lvling my other archer to become demon :)
    just love archer so i want both lol.
  • _blood_rain - Sanctuary
    _blood_rain - Sanctuary Posts: 2,532 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    a bow cant get to 3 aps o.O
  • Zanryu - Lothranis
    Zanryu - Lothranis Posts: 1,998 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    _blood_rain - Sanctuary wrote: »
    a bow cant get to 3 aps o.O

    My bow can
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  • doitwell
    doitwell Posts: 92 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    AirialAce - Raging Tide wrote: »
    5 aps with fists wich is fail for a sage but pro for a demon)

    5 aps sage archers feel pretty good with Deicide. They do not need the demon spark to be 5 aps. Use ''Sharpened Tooth Arrow'' (-20% of maximum hp), then change the tome and weapon and... here we go. So, please, let me ask you... why? Thank you.
  • Devoted - Lost City
    Devoted - Lost City Posts: 3,634 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    AirialAce - Raging Tide wrote: »
    ty for the guide,

    gonna make both so i don't rlly care my current archer will go sage soon :)

    now r8 and r9 are available,this guide does seem to lose it's effect.
    sages can get 3 aps with bow as well easilly,so aps advantage for lvl 100+ demons is kinda bull**** if you ask me unless you want 5 aps with fists wich is fail for a sage but pro for a demon)
    (have my genie with aps skill,and that is an aditional 1aps soon enough,tome=1 aps and that last 1-2 aps(bow's aps is maxed at 3 aps anyway) will be there if i get the darn r8 armor/tt-99/nirv or whatever i feel like.

    so i guess hell doesn't **** heaven on that point anymore.

    for the skills,well i look even more forward of lvling my other archer to become demon :)
    just love archer so i want both lol.

    You are correct. Now that pvp deosn't exist anymore cultivation choice is a wash.
  • AirialAce - Raging Tide
    AirialAce - Raging Tide Posts: 43 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    _blood_rain - Sanctuary wrote: »
    a bow cant get to 3 aps o.O

    it can,go check pwi calculator,link is on ecatomb :)
    have funb:chuckle

    note:i've gone demon after all for my first archer.
  • _blood_rain - Sanctuary
    _blood_rain - Sanctuary Posts: 2,532 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    AirialAce - Raging Tide wrote: »
    it can,go check pwi calculator,link is on ecatomb :)
    have funb:chuckle

    note:i've gone demon after all for my first archer.

    pwi calc has many items that are not attainable in this version. such as -.3 int weapons and godly tomes. Just because you saw it there doesnt mean it is realistically possible in the actual game
  • AirialAce - Raging Tide
    AirialAce - Raging Tide Posts: 43 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    _blood_rain - Sanctuary wrote: »
    pwi calc has many items that are not attainable in this version. such as -.3 int weapons and godly tomes. Just because you saw it there doesnt mean it is realistically possible in the actual game

    i only used things that do actually excist in pwi.
    3 aps with bow and 5 aps with fists is easy to obtain as demon archer but also obtainable as sage.

    just be sure to use items that do excist in pwi than.

    ofc it does cost a lot of coins/cash to get the items for sage.
    and you need some more items than as demon since demon spark already gives you 25% more aps for a few secs( with fists that is almost contstant sparking if you have 4 aps already)

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