Heaven (Sage) vs Hell (Demon)

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  • Aeyisha - Lost City
    Aeyisha - Lost City Posts: 475 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    And yet here you are...

    And yet here you are...

    I thought retired meant one had quit the game? Or is it just to look cool...
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  • Aesthor - Heavens Tear
    Aesthor - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,845 Arc User
    edited July 2011
    truekossy wrote: »
    Said HT player got a server transfer stone before PWIC due to predicting what would happen in HT.

    I wish I had the foresight b:cry
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  • Aeyisha - Lost City
    Aeyisha - Lost City Posts: 475 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Aesthor - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I wish I had the foresight b:cry

    S>Foresight, 100mils on LC.

    b:sin
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  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Aeyisha - Lost City wrote: »
    to be honest I like not spending time on PWI.
    Aeyisha - Lost City wrote: »
    And yet here you are...

    I thought retired meant one had quit the game? Or is it just to look cool...

    I quit for all intended competitive purposes... but that doesn't stop me from stopping by once in a while since i still enjoy hanging around. Unlike some masochists... i don't spend my time on stuff that "I like not spending time on".
    1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
    2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
    3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.

    Tokichiro - Heavy Armor Fish / Kiyoshi - Dual Blade Elf
  • Aeyisha - Lost City
    Aeyisha - Lost City Posts: 475 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I quit for all intended competitive purposes... but that doesn't stop me from stopping by once in a while since i still enjoy hanging around. Unlike some masochists... i don't spend my time on stuff that "I like not spending time on".

    You spend time on forums, I spend time on forums. I don't spend much time at all ingame, which is what I like not spending time on.
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  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Aeyisha - Lost City wrote: »
    You spend time on forums, I spend time on forums. I don't spend much time at all ingame, which is what I like not spending time on.

    Oh no... I am still here (on the forum) cause my gear is still ranked in the top 10% of archers... if not the top 5%. Pretty sure at one time my gear was in the top 1%. With all things considered... once my gear drops below say... the top 20%... i'll be too embarrassed to even log on... nevertheless post.
    1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
    2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
    3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.

    Tokichiro - Heavy Armor Fish / Kiyoshi - Dual Blade Elf
  • Aesthor - Heavens Tear
    Aesthor - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,845 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Oh no... I am still here (on the forum) cause my gear is still ranked in the top 10% of archers... if not the top 5%. Pretty sure at one time my gear was in the top 1%. With all things considered... once my gear drops below say... the top 20%... i'll be too embarrassed to even log on... nevertheless post.


    Come use your gears in TW!

    Or at least tell me when you're not going to be drinking :P
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  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Aesthor - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Come use your gears in TW!

    Or at least tell me when you're not going to be drinking :P

    Would love to... but the last time I TWed... enrage won against gd. Hence forward... gd decided to foot my bar tab to ensure that I don't show. And yes... I actually really got a free drink out of a gd member.
    1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
    2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
    3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.

    Tokichiro - Heavy Armor Fish / Kiyoshi - Dual Blade Elf
  • Aesthor - Heavens Tear
    Aesthor - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,845 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Would love to... but the last time I TWed... enrage won against gd. Hence forward... gd decided to foot my bar tab to ensure that I don't show. And yes... I actually really got a free drink out of a gd member.

    LOL! Oh I have to hear about this XDDb:laugh
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  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Aesthor - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    LOL! Oh I have to hear about this XDDb:laugh

    I believe the drink was chopin on the rocks. And unlike some enrage nub that shall remain unnamed... gd kept their words when they say they'll buy me a drink.
    1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
    2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
    3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.

    Tokichiro - Heavy Armor Fish / Kiyoshi - Dual Blade Elf
  • Aesthor - Heavens Tear
    Aesthor - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,845 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I believe the drink was chopin on the rocks. And unlike some enrage nub that shall remain unnamed... gd kept their words when they say they'll buy me a drink.

    Did they live conveniently near you or did they drive all the way to your city to buy you a drink?:P
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  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Aesthor - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Did they live conveniently near you or did they drive all the way to your city to buy you a drink?:P

    It shouldn't take you that long to drive over... and speaking from personal experience... its somewhat a nice drive with all the scenery. Plus... there will be a place for you to stay.
    1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
    2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
    3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.

    Tokichiro - Heavy Armor Fish / Kiyoshi - Dual Blade Elf
  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    It shouldn't take you that long to drive over... and speaking from personal experience... its somewhat a nice drive with all the scenery. Plus... there will be a place for you to stay.

    You're having Aesthor over? Suddenly, I want to come along.
  • Aeyisha - Lost City
    Aeyisha - Lost City Posts: 475 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Oh no... I am still here (on the forum) cause my gear is still ranked in the top 10% of archers... if not the top 5%. Pretty sure at one time my gear was in the top 1%. With all things considered... once my gear drops below say... the top 20%... i'll be too embarrassed to even log on... nevertheless post.

    Last time I say your gear you had the +150 HP event cape +5? and the rest of it was not much above that except your bow. Would love to see your gear now.
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  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Aeyisha - Lost City wrote: »
    Last time I say your gear you had the +150 HP event cape +5? and the rest of it was not much above that except your bow. Would love to see your gear now.

    Yep... I should still have that cape... funny that you pointed out my lowest refine gear. Oh wait... that would be the +1 attendance ring that I am wearing right now. Or or... it could be the +5 lunar ring that's on the other hand. Wait wait... maybe you should mention my twin socket +6 snowflake shoes. Maybe... just maybe throw in my unrefined 4th map belt. Follow by +5 sky demon pearl. And to top everything off... my only two piece of tt99 gear for the super duper -.1 interval bonus. Is that what you are seeing?
    1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
    2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
    3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.

    Tokichiro - Heavy Armor Fish / Kiyoshi - Dual Blade Elf
  • Aeyisha - Lost City
    Aeyisha - Lost City Posts: 475 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Yep... I should still have that cape... funny that you pointed out my lowest refine gear. Oh wait... that would be the +1 attendance ring that I am wearing right now. Or or... it could be the +5 lunar ring that's on the other hand. Wait wait... maybe you should mention my twin socket +6 snowflake shoes. Maybe... just maybe throw in my unrefined 4th map belt. Follow by +5 sky demon pearl. And to top everything off... my only two piece of tt99 gear for the super duper -.1 interval bonus. Is that what you are seeing?

    Is that what being in the top 5% of archers is called? I thought you would have had full rank 9 with your merchanting skills.
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  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Aeyisha - Lost City wrote: »
    Is that what being in the top 5% of archers is called? I thought you would have had full rank 9 with your merchanting skills.

    If you really do believe that the gear I posted is the gear that I enter my last TW with (about 3-4 weeks ago). Then I am pretty sure I just insulted all the idiots in the world by calling you an idiot. Anyone know if there a word for someone being the idiot of idiots?
    1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
    2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
    3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.

    Tokichiro - Heavy Armor Fish / Kiyoshi - Dual Blade Elf
  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Anyone know if there a word for someone being the idiot of idiots?
    That would be what we call a Yulk.

    *goes back to popcorn*
  • Aeyisha - Lost City
    Aeyisha - Lost City Posts: 475 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    If you really do believe that the gear I posted is the gear that I enter my last TW with (about 3-4 weeks ago). Then I am pretty sure I just insulted all the idiots in the world by calling you an idiot. Anyone know if there a word for someone being the idiot of idiots?

    So you posted your old gear because...? Did I ever say that's what I thought you TWed with? I didn't think you actually TWed now. I do believe I said I would love to see your gear now, then you rip into a massive rant about your lowest refine levels.

    Shouldn't a level 103 archer know that "my only two piece of tt99 gear for the super duper -.1 interval bonus" 2xLA/HA is only 0.05? Or maybe you screwed up writing that and meant you had 2xLA+2xHA.


    /I'm out


    Kossy, give me some popcorn.
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  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    *passes popcorn* You still owe me an Aesthor dance.
  • angellicdeity
    angellicdeity Posts: 641 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Serenetyze - Lost City wrote: »
    would u mind explaining what excactly got changed by this and whether demon is still viable or sage is the way to go now ?
    im highly interested in the current advantages of both sides !

    thx in advance b:thanks

    Nothing.

    Same points still apply.


    Only thing that changes is 5 APS. But if both archers are using Bows (and they should be for PvP) then everything is still 100% relevant.
  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Sage is alot more viable now then before. R9 gear / Jones blessing can give archers decently high DPH which plays to sage's strength. People also are walking around with 35-40% base crit which makes the crit you get from demon less necessary.

    I don't think either culti is better at taking out sins though.
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  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Aeyisha - Lost City wrote: »
    So you posted your old gear because...? Did I ever say that's what I thought you TWed with? I didn't think you actually TWed now. I do believe I said I would love to see your gear now, then you rip into a massive rant about your lowest refine levels.

    From this comment...
    Aeyisha - Lost City wrote: »
    Last time I say your gear you had the +150 HP event cape +5? and the rest of it was not much above that except your bow. Would love to see your gear now.

    I thought we're talking about my gear from a year or so ago. Just trying to fill in the blanks for you. And regarding your full r9 comment... I PERSONALLY REFUSE TO GET ANOTHER PIECE OF RANK 9 ARCHER GEAR EVER AGAIN!!!
    1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
    2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
    3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.

    Tokichiro - Heavy Armor Fish / Kiyoshi - Dual Blade Elf
  • KedgeSniper - Lost City
    KedgeSniper - Lost City Posts: 733 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    http://pwcalc.com/8e76f64700f59576

    This is your sage ^ Raw passive adds
    Physical Atk.
    14618-19702

    http://pwcalc.com/8f6d5687a789aa3b

    This is your Demon ^ Raw Passive adds
    Physical Atk.
    14154-19076




    http://pwcalc.com/5cac35704532dd8d

    Sage spark ^30103-40572
    Attack Rate
    0.83 /sec
    Critical Rate
    33%

    http://pwcalc.com/b8d515cbe08e57f5

    Demon spark ^ 29639-39946
    Attack Rate
    1.11 /sec
    Critical Rate
    45%


    For less than 1k extra damage.. I still prefer demon <<
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  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    http://pwcalc.com/5cac35704532dd8d

    Sage spark ^30103-40572
    Attack Rate
    0.83 /sec
    Critical Rate
    33%

    http://pwcalc.com/b8d515cbe08e57f5

    Demon spark ^ 29639-39946
    Attack Rate
    1.11 /sec
    Critical Rate
    45%


    For less than 1k extra damage.. I still prefer demon <<[/QUOTE]

    You are ignoring the attack levels... which increase sage damage more than demon. And I can't really remember the last time I seem a demon archer pull off a triple spark/crit buff combo outside of PvE.
    1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
    2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
    3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.

    Tokichiro - Heavy Armor Fish / Kiyoshi - Dual Blade Elf
  • KedgeSniper - Lost City
    KedgeSniper - Lost City Posts: 733 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    http://pwcalc.com/5cac35704532dd8d

    Sage spark ^30103-40572
    Attack Rate
    0.83 /sec
    Critical Rate
    33%

    http://pwcalc.com/b8d515cbe08e57f5

    Demon spark ^ 29639-39946
    Attack Rate
    1.11 /sec
    Critical Rate
    45%


    For less than 1k extra damage.. I still prefer demon <<

    You are ignoring the attack levels... which increase sage damage more than demon. And I can't really remember the last time I seem a demon archer pull off a triple spark/crit buff combo outside of PvE.

    meh QS and Stun gives same stat as demon spark without the increase of atack.

    I actually think Sage had better advantage before.. everyone rocking +10 gears nirvana/rank9 and everyone having pure Vit stones/def lv shards.

    Now You have to work your way to kill a wizard that has 12k hp and tons of pdef/def lv. Lets not talk about Psy :x Not saying its impossible by the way.

    P.s. How does atack lv benefit sage better than demon or anything like that o.O (they both have same atack lv/def lv)
    Feel free to Explain?
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  • Fleuri - Sanctuary
    Fleuri - Sanctuary Posts: 1,763 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I don't think either culti is better at taking out sins though.

    Sage winged pledge seems to surprise a lot of sins. But I imagine that if we had many sage archers that that would not be the case.
  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Fleuri - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Sage winged pledge seems to surprise a lot of sins. But I imagine that if we had many sage archers that that would not be the case.

    I gotta say... for someone who doesn't pk... you seems to come up with a lot of pk "scenarios".
    1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
    2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
    3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.

    Tokichiro - Heavy Armor Fish / Kiyoshi - Dual Blade Elf
  • TigerLily - Lost City
    TigerLily - Lost City Posts: 1,209 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Fleuri - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Sage winged pledge seems to surprise a lot of sins. But I imagine that if we had many sage archers that that would not be the case.

    I dont understand what you mean O_O

    Sage Winged Pledge is "almost" spammable which is nice, but how is that surprising for a Sin? Not like you're gonna have time to use it more than once when you're perma stunned/slept/paralyzed and losing massive chunks of your hp 3-5 times per second. If you manage to get a few seconds of free movement or immune against a Sin, do you really wanna start spamming Sage Winged Pledge? I would not recommend fighting sins in melee range to begin with b:sweat I guess if you're crazy or have +12 gear it might be fun.

    But maybe i'm misunderstanding and you mean something else. Dont think i ever used Winged Pledge and got a "SURPRISE" back when i was sage 2 years ago tho.
  • Fleuri - Sanctuary
    Fleuri - Sanctuary Posts: 1,763 Arc User
    edited August 2011
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I gotta say... for someone who doesn't pk... you seems to come up with a lot of pk "scenarios".

    I could try explaining, again, but I do not know if you would understand this time, either.
    TigerLily - Lost City wrote: »
    I dont understand what you mean O_O

    They try to force stealth when I am channelling it.

    b:chuckle

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