Nerf The Veno

Gwendolynne - Heavens Tear

Klath - Sanctuary wrote: »

It stops being a discussion of opinions when individuals start attacking each other.

Nowhere on the game entitles venos as "solo class", they have that capacity due to their abilities and pets, allowing them to easily solo comparing to other classes. Who said they are supposed to be a "solo class" besides the person who developed their skills/pets?

I never said to nerf the class, i voted "no" on this silly poll". The game is as it is, as long as people have fun with their characters, doesnt matter the game balance.


I do solo all the time, though i prefer to support. But can you solo TT squad mode bosses?

(PS: Please give clerics better lv79 skills, amen)

I didn't attack you. Not once. I stated my opinion, in my typical, in your face kind of way. Hah.

And yes is DOES say that Venos are the perfect Solo Class, RIGHT in the Character Class Description thing. Thats how I decided the class I wanted to play when I signed up!

@Blachin: I said not really! Though if you have never seen my name we must not play at the same times, or you don't watch WC very much. I spend more of my money on world teles then I do on Skills.

@Mua: Hell yeah! =D

@Soren: I didn't say you couldn't solo on any other character! I solo on both my BM and my Cleric. But, I was mostly meaning when I GO on my Cleric it's because I wanna be in parties, because I am a support build, spam healing is WIN. =D

Sorenshi - Heavens Tear

Gwendolynne - Heavens Tear wrote: »

@Soren: I didn't say you couldn't solo on any other character! I solo on both my BM and my Cleric. But, I was mostly meaning when I GO on my Cleric it's because I wanna be in parties, because I am a support build, spam healing is WIN. =D

So true

Heleina - Sanctuary

Klath - Sanctuary wrote: »

Venos are unbalanced? Yes, my opinion.
For those argumenting "do your FBs without venos then":
Get another barb and you can discard venos any day. They do a better job and survive longer, also, more funnier/exciting than killing mobs 1 at a time (higher risks for wipes though, but still fun).

You being a cleric then you have a cleric available to you 100% of the time. You just need a barb to do pretty much everything. But availability of a cleric is a different thing if you are not a cleric because clerics dont need reasons to be taken to FBs - they are almost always needed. Venos can do jobs that barbs do but they cant replace them.

Klath - Sanctuary wrote: »

For those argumenting "venos lvl slower than clerics/wiz/archer/<insert class>":
You can go afk and let your pet killing on a high spawn area for minutes straight.

Wow, for minutes or four minutes? But either way.. good luck on actually getting any good xp for minutes or for four minutes. Who does this actually? I have yet to see one.

Klath - Sanctuary wrote: »

Venos NEVER need potions, charms only if they are stupid and constantly steal aggro from other people/pet (full mag venos), and on PvP obviously.
They have mana recovery spells that pretty much covers their mana cost for spamming basic attack spells and pet heals. If they want to, they can only be hurt by bosses AoE or monsters respawning behind them.

If I only use my very basic spell (venomous scarab) I can really stretch out a few mana potions. But then I'd be sacrificing how fast I kill a given mob. If I did use other higher damage but also higher mp cost skill then I would require some potions. But yes, we do use less potions than other classes.

Klath - Sanctuary wrote: »

They can easily solo TT and FBs with a golem/herc at their own level, sometimes not even needing a charm to keep their hp up. Venos now can solo even squad mode of TT with hercules (they just need 3 people to open it, but they can do all the place by themselves). Tell me which other class can do that?

Golem is good but not a be all end all. Hercules is on a different scale, however but getting one is difficult. If you're spending only coin you'd have to spend 15-20 million and you'd still have to level it up. I've already told other people that venos are good at a lot of things but not great at one thing. We can tank but not as well as a barbarian. We can heal (pets) but not as well as a cleric. We can dish out damage spells but not as well as a wizard.

Klath - Sanctuary wrote: »

Countless times i have seen venos claiming "i just soloed XFB", regarding FBs 10 lvs lower than themselves. How many classes can do that? Even if they can, they will burn hundreds of coins on charms.

See above.

Klath - Sanctuary wrote: »

I wont mention KSing, because i just avoid staying near any venos when grinding, its too damn frustrating. Yes, its fault of the player, but many venos dont give a s*** if they are KSing or not.
Im talking about 99% of venos here, nice people exist.

99% of venos? From which dark **** did you pull that magic number out of? Another poster already stated how terrible we are at KSing. Archers can do a better job at that.

Klath - Sanctuary wrote: »

Also, venos HARDLY will do anything to HELP others without any kind of return on it. FBs only if tabbed/same quest, TT only if they get a huge profit (never heard about any veno doing TT runs to "help friends"). Iv met all kind of people, from complete idiots to nicest persons you can find to play an MMO, but 99% of venos fall into the groups of the idiots. Sorry, sad but true, review your standards.

Again, that magic 99%. So how frequent do you do untabbed FBs just to help people out? You've seen the world chat advertisements - "helping people out.. must be tabbed, 39+ must have wine" - how many of those are venos? The fact of the matter is the above doesn't apply to just one class it could apply to each and every class. So you've had some bad experiences with the venos that you know, sorry to hear that. But bashing the class is pathetic.

Klath - Sanctuary wrote: »

I try to NOT, ever, ask help or invite venos to my squads anymore, because i know they will just help if they will profit from it, while other people could join just for the fun or to be nice to each other.

I just found that paragraph amusing. That's all.

Klath - Sanctuary wrote: »

I wont even discuss about how unbalanced is that flesh ream/bleeding skill bug is, i just saw single phoenixes lv60+ in action last week, **** 10-20 people in a matter of seconds. Something that nobody else on my guild could do without a lot of potting/charm and helping each other.
And reading about lv90 barbs being **** in 10 seconds by phoenixes on pvp server is just...Speechless...

The phoenix is truly a beast but flesh ream bug isn't the fault of the class (I don't use Flesh Ream on my pets, FYI). Venos may be able to kill barbs at 9x in 10 seconds with a phoenix but barbs also can kill venos in 10 seconds, even less.

Klath - Sanctuary wrote: »

As for making money fast, do you really believe that any class can make money as easy as venos? Selling pet eggs, selling rare pets, soloing TTs...
I never heard before about someone wasting 20-30m to buy something until 2 people told me that had wasted around 30m to buy part of the necessary phoenix feathers/source of forces to get their newly overpowered pets.
I can only dream about making that high amount of money without investing a lot of real life cash into the game and selling boutique items/gold for coins...

Can't argue with you there really, but some people are really dedicated to do these things. Catching rare pets is difficult because it's usually camped so only a handful of venos actually profit from these. Selling baby pets which are not rare is not a good soure of income unless you are the only exclusive distributor (read: highest level in the server). And we could solo TTs but that takes work - getting the substances for it, clearing the mobs, killing the boss and doing it over and over again. Some people have told me they have done hours on end of TTs for a week just to get their prized legendary pets. But again, we go back to Class X can do this while Class Y can't.

Klath - Sanctuary wrote: »

This is not a veno-hate post, i DO hate the class, not the people, but this all is just my personal view about the class overall. That is a class that if it was wiped from the game, i would NOT miss them.

This is the root of your issue. Because of your bad experiences with some people who happen to be venos you start hating the class. If venos were wiped from this game the "idiots" controlling them that you hate so much would play other classes and be "idiots" on those characters too.

Klath - Sanctuary

Click the parrot (for venomancers), Read the "comments" section, Stop the typing. You're fighting a losing battle here.

The same place says barbs have the highest physical defense, when blademasters and venos can obtain way better phys def.
Also says barbs have low attack, when they can hit as strong as archers if they focus on it.
Says aswell that archers have low physical defense, when they have equal terms of phys/mag defense, and it is actually higher than most clerics/wiz/venos.
Back to venos, it says "low hit points", when venos get better hp than clerics and wizards (20% more than cleric/wiz).

Barbarian: 34/lv and 17/vit
Blademaster: 30/lv and 15/vit
Archer: 26/lv and 13/vit
Veno: 24/lv and 12/vit
Cleric: 20/lv and 10/vit
Wizard: 20/lv and 10/vit

So how "trusty" is that website info? Guess the point is clear now.


But yes, i will concede this victory to the trolls.

Again, that magic 99%. So how frequent do you do untabbed FBs just to help people out? You've seen the world chat advertisements - "helping people out.. must be tabbed, 39+ must have wine" - how many of those are venos? The fact of the matter is the above doesn't apply to just one class it could apply to each and every class. So you've had some bad experiences with the venos that you know, sorry to hear that. But bashing the class is pathetic.

In fact i never cared about wine or not, if im there to help, i will help regardless of how, will get pissed if i die a lot, will blame people, but will still help them unless they start calling me names or yelling that im a bad cleric when they die due to their own stupidity. Did even Fb59 unwined this one time because the person couldnt get the wine (most the squad disliked it).
I just dont like FBs in general because you endup needing to lecture people so you can keep them alive, and its frustrating to revived people every 2-3 mobs because they messed up (out-DPS'd, heal aggro'ed, didnt look on map and ran straight into enemies, etc), even more when they refuse to listen, keep doing same mistakes for the whole squad duration and end-up calling you names for trying to help them NOT dying.
So when im doing FBs im just helping a friend out, even if i need that FB myself, i still have FB69 tabs and have no rush on using it, waited a week to do my culti69 aswell, waiting for friends to be on same level to do it with me (and we did unwined without a veno, painful but the best ever i have done, i dont recommend though).

I just found that paragraph amusing. That's all.

As i said, 99%, its a random magic number that actually means "all but a few nice people".

Im replying to your post because you are actually one of those nice venos we rarely find around. And we just did one squad together.

Regarding the rest, some quotes you agree with me, some you show a different view point (your's), which is perfectly fine. But overall, nothing to discuss against.

Kaelis - Heavens Tear

Klath - Sanctuary wrote: »

The rate of how often i hear
"I solo'ed TT/FBx/<boss name>/<your mom>"
from ANY class on the game, is so damn less often than i hear it from venos.

Maybe if i never played one, there are so many of them around that you can have an idea of how they work, you see their hp/mp bar always full without using pot or charms, you see them out-level you by a matter of days, even when you are playing longer than them (friends), and hearing how they just wasted <insert billion amount here> to buy some fancy clothes while most other classes say "i dont have money to buy skills".

Yes, maybe i need to play a veno to experience the feeling. Wouldnt get so frustrated when playing. But again, i just avoid the class as a whole and frustration goes away.

lol ok so how often have you heard a veno say i went to sleep and woke up and gained 50% and however much gold from zhening while asleep?

or wait that they killed an aoe boss? or that they had 5 people hitting them for 5 minutes and just stood there laughing and didnt have to fight back? or 1hit someone their lvl or higher?

all your doing is complaining veno get some advantages nevermind that every class has advantages

sure lets nerf veno's but while we at it lets make clerics not be able to heal, and wizards can't nuke and bms cant stun and barbs have 3k health max and archers lets make them their attacks slower and weaker

as for not having to use charms we did a TT 2-2 yesterday with 1 cleric that didn't have a charm....he had to party heal the aoe's and spam the tank at the same time and he managed fine with pots i've even heard about clerics keeping bb up for ages just using pots and a orb when low

alot of veno's do use charms and the ones that don't use pots maybe not at low lvl's but if i'm in a group fighting a boss and i'm having to keep switching to fox to debuff then changing back and debuffing and attacking and i'll go through my mp in few minutes max

as for crying about soloing TT you make 2 subs spend however long in there then come out with just 4 mirages then tell me how we are overpowered cos can make money from tt so easy

at least 90% of the veno's that have battle pets paid like $200 of real money for them

as for catching rare pets......first you'll have to spend millions on - channel stuff then you have to hope that it don't get killed and then if it doesn't you have like a 1/20 chance of getting it so maybe after couple weeks you'll get it and you would of made a whole 1mil....not even enough to pay for the channel stuff and you spent 2 weeks trying for it

i know barbs and clerics that get given loads of stuff for tanking or healing for bosses but as a veno you'll solo it for them and your lucky if they even say thank you because most people have you're idiotic point of view and have something against veno's just because you perceive them as being over powered when you know nothing about the class

as i keep saying if you get ksed by a veno this isn't the game for you time pet gets to a mob you could of hit it a couple times nevermind veno's damage sucks so if a veno ksed you it must of stated to attack the mob a few seconds before you so you are the one that is in fact ksing

as for veno lvling fast yeah we can do our grind quests faster but at higher lvl you get like what a few % from your quests and so it makes no difference after 70 clerics pretty much lvl faster than anyone since can always find groups

rofl at afking and letting pet fight and getting xp that way
try it lol doesn't work mobs would have to be so low level you wouldn't get xp

as for using 2 barbs to replace veno that is one of the stupidest things said in the thread obviously you only stick to doing low level stuff

as for saying how most veno's are idiots thats just your prejudice talking obviously if you look at them in a biased point of view then you're not going to get on

Gwendolynne - Heavens Tear

Honestly, some of the things you said were just idiotic and NOT the fault of the class itself but of hte people controlling them.

I know JUST as many Greedy Barbs and Clerics too. You have to preacticalyl PAY a Barb to tank a boss for you when thats their DESIGNED Job. Seriously. It's not the class its the player.

I can count COUNTLESS TT runs I have made for OTHER people. All I asked is that they provide the Substance adn that they come along to help DD while I spam heal my pet!

I'm also someone who will go and SOLO FBs for people that need them. Granted the Tab is a nice thing becuase it gives the party EXP and increases the crop rate. But you know, I hate people, but I still help a lot of people. In fact you can ask anyone that knows me hate me or love me. I may be rich and OP'd but I am the first one to jump in and use that to help others.

And I don't think I'm that rare to be a 1% out of all the Venos that play this game.

Mua - Lost City

Klath - Sanctuary wrote: »

The same place says barbs have the highest physical defense, when blademasters and venos can obtain way better phys def.
Also says barbs have low attack, when they can hit as strong as archers if they focus on it.
Says aswell that archers have low physical defense, when they have equal terms of phys/mag defense, and it is actually higher than most clerics/wiz/venos.
Back to venos, it says "low hit points", when venos get better hp than clerics and wizards (20% more than cleric/wiz).

Barbarian: 34/lv and 17/vit
Blademaster: 30/lv and 15/vit
Archer: 26/lv and 13/vit
Veno: 24/lv and 12/vit
Cleric: 20/lv and 10/vit
Wizard: 20/lv and 10/vit

So how "trusty" is that website info? Guess the point is clear now.


But yes, i will concede this victory to the trolls.

I've highlighted the key points. CANS and IFS are apparently Serious Business now. So lets assume a veno decides they want to be a barb purely because you said they can, and focuses everything, (gear, skills etc) on it, so does that mean Barb's physical defenses instantly get lowered once a veno tanks a boss w/o a pet? No, the information is still correct. Barbs may not have the BEST Phys def (and even that is arguable) but they still have great physical defence all the same.

I'd like to meet a Barb that can hit like an archer, and even if they do exist (Xei might be the closest match on LC), are they still able to tank as well as Barbs who focused on their natural class roles? It's like the FAC debate reborn in WB form.

And the Archer point is where your argument just dies. Oh, yes, archers have better phys defence than mages, CLEARLY the site is totally wrong. It's not like the site could be referring to the fact that archers have the lowest physical defence of the physical attack classes (except maybe fox form venos).

Yes, concede victory to the "trolls". You do that. b:bye

Gwendolynne - Heavens Tear

Klath - Sanctuary wrote: »

The same place says barbs have the highest physical defense, when blademasters and venos can obtain way better phys def.
Also says barbs have low attack, when they can hit as strong as archers if they focus on it.
Says aswell that archers have low physical defense, when they have equal terms of phys/mag defense, and it is actually higher than most clerics/wiz/venos.
Back to venos, it says "low hit points", when venos get better hp than clerics and wizards (20% more than cleric/wiz).

Barbarian: 34/lv and 17/vit
Blademaster: 30/lv and 15/vit
Archer: 26/lv and 13/vit
Veno: 24/lv and 12/vit
Cleric: 20/lv and 10/vit
Wizard: 20/lv and 10/vit

So how "trusty" is that website info? Guess the point is clear now.


But yes, i will concede this victory to the trolls.


In fact i never cared about wine or not, if im there to help, i will help regardless of how, will get pissed if i die a lot, will blame people, but will still help them unless they start calling me names or yelling that im a bad cleric when they die due to their own stupidity. Did even Fb59 unwined this one time because the person couldnt get the wine (most the squad disliked it).
I just dont like FBs in general because you endup needing to lecture people so you can keep them alive, and its frustrating to revived people every 2-3 mobs because they messed up (out-DPS'd, heal aggro'ed, didnt look on map and ran straight into enemies, etc), even more when they refuse to listen, keep doing same mistakes for the whole squad duration and end-up calling you names for trying to help them NOT dying.
So when im doing FBs im just helping a friend out, even if i need that FB myself, i still have FB69 tabs and have no rush on using it, waited a week to do my culti69 aswell, waiting for friends to be on same level to do it with me (and we did unwined without a veno, painful but the best ever i have done, i dont recommend though).


As i said, 99%, its a random magic number that actually means "all but a few nice people".

Im replying to your post because you are actually one of those nice venos we rarely find around. And we just did one squad together.

Regarding the rest, some quotes you agree with me, some you show a different view point (your's), which is perfectly fine. But overall, nothing to discuss against.

Not to mention that the Site is refferring to a class being played as its basic design, right? Thats what I thought?

I've seen Venos running around with Hammers in Heavy Armor whacking stuff!

I've seen Barbs in Arcane Robes with Wands! =D You know . . Its all in how YOU wanna play. Sure you can try to make whatever class whatever you want by your attributes and gear, but it doesn't change what your SKILLS are designed to do. =D

Saitada - Sanctuary

Well... I'm a Veno and let me tell you something. I have just over two pages of skills I don't have the coin to buy, don't have the SP to buy and don't have any clue when I will be able to afford them.

I've been grinding my pets up. All 10 of them. I have to feed them. Meats expensive, so's Hay, Fruit, Seseame Oil, Fungus etc. Do I have millions? nope. I have less than 300k on me. and lvl 35-45 armor.

Yes I have a Phoenix, and Yes I have a Hercules. I paid good hard cash to get them(and i'll be screaming pissed if they get nerfed). I have Gold charms (both magic and hp) and they get screamed through every two days or so and I am not making the coin fast enough to replace them w/o resorting to buying Gold with r/l Money.

I'm nearly a pure mage build and let me tell you something... even FB19 mobs can kill me in short order if I'm not REAL careful on how I pull. Can I solo them? Yes. I can Solo FB29 and 39 as well, but unless I wine the run, an FB39 takes me two hours to go through if I don't want to risk getting killed (read this as pulling carefully), and an unwined FB29 takes me about an hour... Not worth the time, for the cost to me, even Tabbed.

I'm a very careful puller, and I don't take needless risks. Overpowered? Not that I have seen. I don't group much.. I prefer to work alone, but I also help people a lot at the same time.

I made my Veno because I like to work alone. If i've KS'd anyone, it was purely by accident (unless I was returning the favor, which I have been known to do). I also can't count the number of times I have found myself at the wrong end of a spawn and before my pet can help, i'm served bottom side up to some mob that likes Veno on the half shell.

Part of the cost? I level slower than people around me, some of that is my fault for helping others a lot, but some of that is also the classes, inherent leveling characteristics.

Doing/Bypassing def with my pets attacks... I've yet to see that, a good BM or WB of the same level can kill me, long before my Phoenix can kill him. But if they go after my phoenix... their toast because then they have it's attack, and mine to deal with and i'm not trying to avoid their weapons at that point.

Point is.. Bypass the pet, and I die. Attack the pet.. and you die (sometimes... got swatted good by an 80 WB who took out my pet, and me so fast my eyes spun).

So.. Overpowered... Not that I have seen. I also have a BM, a Wizard and a Cleric. They leveled far faster than my Veno, for the same amount of play time.

Saitada

Klath - Sanctuary

Not to mention that the Site is refferring to a class being played as its basic design, right? Thats what I thought?

I've seen Venos running around with Hammers in Heavy Armor whacking stuff!

I've seen Barbs in Arcane Robes with Wands! =D You know . . Its all in how YOU wanna play. Sure you can try to make whatever class whatever you want by your attributes and gear, but it doesn't change what your SKILLS are designed to do. =D

Damn i still need to see the mage barb, just another proof that gender restriction is silly, anyway..

Yes, thats the "natural" aspect of the game, but still has flaws on that "description" there, as i pointed out by the "lowest hp" and "lowest phys def" part they mention.

Even if fox venos are to be discarded from this "natural aspect", they ARE there, fox form is over half of veno skills and ARE a viable build, why is it so strange for venos to go heavy armor? Just because mag is easier aparently. Fox Form is viable and many PvP dedicated venos go AT LEAST light armor. Doesnt change the point that the game offers an option to get better phys defense than a barb on its natural form (without doing any weird character build, such as bow barb).
Also, blademasters STILL have better phys defense than barbs, since barb self-skills improve it by 60% (120% sage), while blademaster's improve it by 120% (180% sage). Cleric's buffs can be applied to both, so it doesnt matter here.

Kaelis - Heavens Tear

but to use fox form you have to use a magic weapon even though you'll have a str build for the armour so you are automatically gimped badly

Jeiiy - Heavens Tear

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Eternalnub - Heavens Tear

and in the end veno's sux so hard at pvp also pet skills cost ALOT upgrading 1skill cost 200k and getting 1 skill for pet is up to 900k so i dono where is prob

Saitada - Sanctuary

Eternalnub - Heavens Tear wrote: »

and in the end veno's sux so hard at pvp also pet skills cost ALOT upgrading 1skill cost 200k and getting 1 skill for pet is up to 900k so i dono where is prob

Problem is, they have never played a Veno to any decent level (if at all), so have NO CLUE what they are talking about.

Saitada

Jeiiy - Heavens Tear

Venos are overpowered! Nerf them by adding cheaper pet skills and easier squad bosses for us to solo!

Solandri - Heavens Tear

Kaelis - Heavens Tear wrote: »

but to use fox form you have to use a magic weapon even though you'll have a str build for the armour so you are automatically gimped badly

Not only that, without a magic weapon, you can't cast your spells. So no fox form, no fox skills, no mage skills. You're basically just melee without any skills. And a pet.

Jeiiy - Heavens Tear

Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Not only that, without a magic weapon, you can't cast your spells. So no fox form, no fox skills, no mage skills. You're basically just melee without any skills. And a pet.

Don't forget the sucky pet heal you'll be having.

Daji - Heavens Tear

Veno Definition:

A class on the dotted line. We often hear requests, Veno pull, Veno rebound, Veno spark but in FB when situation lost control little do people release veno send her pet to hold aggro, giving time for the rest to escape, for revive and get the pressure off the worrior even at the expense on her life. When the battle ended, while the rest recharge and buff up, veno quitely in a beam of blue light revive her pet.

Pet Definition:

Is the trusted eyes of my master so I race, I howl, keep howling to keep the mob on me, keep the pressure off the worrior, keep the team alive even none is helping me. But, I am not alone, the trusted sight of my master is behine me. After battle, looking into the eyes of my master while enjoying my favourite food, I knew this is what I live for.

Many do not understanding what veno truely are only to come to conclusion base on the own merits. There are many times the veno gets ignore and will not have, the repect as a class.

raven

Mua - Lost City wrote: »

Archers are "the pvp class", they get an insane amount of criticals, and are a pain to be up against, no matter what class you are.

Venos are "the solo class", we get to.. run dungeons without spamming WC and Guild chat for help! We get rejected from zhen parties but save that money to add to the Battle Pets Fund instead.

Armour for other classes isn't that expensive for the lower levels, so they can knock venos around as much as they want. Any veno buying without RL money has to get to 60 and run TT again and again.. then the ones who don't intend to buy both pets with RL money use the herc to start running again and again and again..

Any archer can put on dex and go crit people, but Venos have to do a lot of work or cut a massive hole in their bank statement to get their pvp power.

It's not perfectly balanced, but it's not the end of PW either. (unless they make the battle pets cheaper like some people reckon, then that will just be ridiculous)

i'm tired of read those nub post of people that known nothing about pw.

archer class isnt OP...all archers are easy to kill with venomancer..phoenix 9x can **** solo in 2 seconds(not joking 2 seconds) 1 archer 9x with 90 set
archers cant kill same level class in 2 seconds specialy class with bramble array or turtle.

venomancer heavy build has more defence than barbarian and almost same ammount of HP in fact heaven wf skill add 150% equipment defencea 9x str vita build get 26-27k def while werebeast has less than 20k..barbarian has a bit more hp and turtle but still veno is muuuuch more strong.And a serious heavy build(serious mean a pk survive build) has 66 int only for mirage sword not 27x int zzzz

Daji - Heavens Tear

raven wrote: »

i'm tired of read those nub post of people that known nothing about pw.

archer class isnt OP...all archers are easy to kill with venomancer..phoenix 9x can **** solo in 2 seconds(not joking 2 seconds) 1 archer 9x with 90 set
archers cant kill same level class in 2 seconds specialy class with bramble array or turtle.

venomancer heavy build has more defence than barbarian and almost same ammount of HP in fact heaven wf skill add 150% equipment defencea 9x str vita build get 26-27k def while werebeast has less than 20k..barbarian has a bit more hp and turtle but still veno is muuuuch more strong.And a serious heavy build(serious mean a pk survive build) has 66 int only for mirage sword not 27x int zzzz

You really not know veno as a class, not know your class. Archer is the most dangerous class to veno when come to pvp. Do you even know archer damage reduce within 5 meter?

Kaelis - Heavens Tear

raven wrote: »

i'm tired of read those nub post of people that known nothing about pw. OMG me as well and you are one of them

archer class isnt OP...all archers are easy to kill with venomancer..phoenix 9x can **** solo in 2 seconds(not joking 2 seconds) 1 archer 9x with 90 set
archers cant kill same level class in 2 seconds specialy class with bramble array or turtle. ok yes so while bramble is up they cant get 1hit so good for duels but in pvp archer attacks faster than it takes to cast bramble so you get 1hit before can even finish casting so whats your point?

venomancer heavy build has more defence than barbarian and almost same ammount of HP ROFL are you serious? in fact heaven wf skill add 150% equipment defencea 9x str vita build get 26-27k def while werebeast has less than 20k..barbarian has a bit more hp and turtle but still veno is muuuuch more strong.And a serious heavy build(serious mean a pk survive build) has 66 int only for mirage sword not 27x int zzzz hp is not even close veno can go pure vit and will still only have half the hp of a barb and archers have magic attacks which obviously you do not seem to know so the build you are suggesting for veno will still get 1hit by archer

come on if you are calling us nubs so should at least know what you are talking about before you try and say anything

shield

To drag this back on topic after all the flaming.

In 20+ or so pages the biggest complaints and counter-arguments
#1 Ripping Bite is Bugged.
-You know its bugged...you still use it...and get upset when people say its bugged. Grow up.
#2 Veno's have a lot of money
-If you can save 15-20mil or can afford to level your rediculously overpriced skills...this is a true statement. When you choose not to spend that large quantity of money on your class...you have a lot of money to blow. If you are leveling all 10 of your pets and paying for food and getting skills...then you MUST have a lot to spend, may be none left over at the end though.
#3 Phoenix + Herc are overpowered.
Its true, you KNOW its true. It cost $200+ to buy it so it had better be true. Other classes should have something similiar OP available for a rediculous amount of money too.
#4 Veno's Ks...
Everyone does, get over it. Personally I apologize...but then I also followed some dink around for 10 minutes and killed all thier kills because they picked up my drops.
#5 Veno's can solo TT at level 63.
Its true, all by themselves. Is it cost effective? That question doesn't come into this argument. Can any other class do it at the same level?
Eyes of Krimson killed a level 78 BM in 1 hit..a level 62 barbarian with cleric killed it. I watched Jewel Scalen kill a phoenix with lev 78 Veno...A level 62 barbarian also tanked it. A level 62 mage can take MantaVip...can veno\barb of the same level? Enough QQ.

Effectively two things need to be looked at that do not involve a nerf. Fix #1. Allow other classes an equal #3 for similiar expenditure. There can be no effective solution to #2, the reason those skills and whatnot are so expensive is to balance the $$ intake/savings you get as a Veno.

Was there anything else besides belly-aching? And no, I don't want to play a Veno, I find them boring.

Xenesis - Lost City

Originally Posted by Daji - Heavens Tear
You really not know veno as a class, not know your class. Archer is the most dangerous class to veno when come to pvp. Do you even know archer damage reduce within 5 meter?

You got no idea.. I love seeing carebears talking about PVP. Not even worth talking with them.. all you can see is Wf defending them, let just wait the moment they fix it like in other servers. Wait.. they will do it when got egnough money from phoenix and hercules..

saidje

I think the funniest thing is that everyone playing ANY class hopes in their secret little hearts to achieve one-hit status.

Then they cryb:cry foul when another class appears to achieve this.

It's a game. The rep you achieve is nothing in the long-term meaning of your life. I doubt anyone is going to be at your graveside saying what a great gamer you were.

It's not that important.

Play the game, enjoy it, and stop taking it so seriously.

Saidje

Kaelis - Heavens Tear

you see that's the thing though veno is pretty much the only class that can not 1hit someone else their lvl and they are still crying

all the people complaining are just upset that they are not good enough to beat the lowest damage class because i mean it really seems to burn them that can not beat veno's 100% of the time

Mosz - Heavens Tear

@shield grats you are one of the few people that understand the true points of this thread, too bad the people that post right after you cannot understand that

@kaelis that has nothing to do with topic and is incorrect in SO many ways (buzz bite highest pvp damage pretty much , and pets in TT are highest damage because they ignore level based defense penalty)

@saidje are you level 10? no we don't all way to be 1 hit ko because thats not how pvp works, and WHY SO SERIOUS?

Kaelis - Heavens Tear

if it's not on topic then neither is what you said i replied to sadje same as you did......

pretty much highest damage? sure show me a phoenix 1hit a barb with over 10k hp b:laugh it is nowhere near the highest damage in pvp thats bs

but yes in TT pets are highest damage i'll give you that one

but other than that then they are the lowest damage so well done for finding a single time veno can do decent damage veno's pet hitting for 2k in TT is truly game breaking so veno's must be nerfed obviously b:chuckle

as for shield being the only person that understands the true point to this thread will last i checked it was not your thread and battle pets and bleed (which was the only thing shield really actually said) was not even mentioned by the OP so it actually has nothing to do with what the thread was originally about just was at your attempt to derail the thread b:bye

shield

Kaelis,
Please list the issues as you see them with no random flaming or commentary. Feel free to address them afterwards. It is difficult understanding the crux of your message. What do you feel are the issues involved?
It appears to be an emotonial argument without a clear foundation.

Original thread as started by haviik:
"i have been playing this game for a while now
In many players opinions the venomancer class is way over powered
The fox form heavy armor build can have more def than the barbarian
The pets make them masters of kill stealing (which is rude and offensive to many players)
They lvl faster, they can solo better, they can make more money.
A few Ideas would be:
make the pets untradable
make their skills less powerful to balance with pets
drop the defense bonus given in fox form

eh that is all i have atm
this class is ruining the game for many players....
i know quite a few who hate venos
i for one don't even party with them"
*****************************************************
Summary of points:
1# Def can be higher than barbarians -
2# They can Ks
3# They can level faster
4# They can solo better
5# They can make more money

Those were the only original points of the thread. Of those 1,2,3 have been disproved or disregarded.
Points that were added on through the thread

#6 Ripping Bite is Bugged.
#7 Phoenix + Herc are overpowered.

Are any of these off topic? Do any of these not address the topic?

For any of you still reading this thread, please also read Ren's comments at
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=1222402#post1222402

Kaelis - Heavens Tear

shield wrote: »

Kaelis,
Please list the issues as you see them with no random flaming or commentary. Feel free to address them afterwards. It is difficult understanding the crux of your message. What do you feel are the issues involved?
It appears to be an emotonial argument without a clear foundation.

Original thread as started by haviik:
"i have been playing this game for a while now
In many players opinions the venomancer class is way over powered
The fox form heavy armor build can have more def than the barbarian
The pets make them masters of kill stealing (which is rude and offensive to many players)
They lvl faster, they can solo better, they can make more money.
A few Ideas would be:
make the pets untradable
make their skills less powerful to balance with pets
drop the defense bonus given in fox form

eh that is all i have atm
this class is ruining the game for many players....
i know quite a few who hate venos
i for one don't even party with them"
*****************************************************
Summary of points:
1# Def can be higher than barbarians -
2# They can Ks
3# They can level faster
4# They can solo better
5# They can make more money

Those were the only original points of the thread. Of those 1,2,3 have been disproved or disregarded.
Points that were added on through the thread

#6 Ripping Bite is Bugged.
#7 Phoenix + Herc are overpowered.

Are any of these off topic? Do any of these not address the topic?

nah shield you got what i was saying wrong what you were saying is fine i'm not disagreeing with you

but mosz is saying i'm going off topic by responding to what sadje said about being 1hit but he did it as well so i'm saying if i'm off topic then so he is its nothing on you

then he is saying you are the only person that understands the thread when its not his thread and the OP didn't mention about bleed and battle pets

I never said bleed wasn't bugged and battle pets are not overpowered

but as someone else said if you pay $200+ for something in a game it damn well better be overpowered otherwise nobody would pay anyway

mosz can't talk though seriously if archers couldn't exploit and zhen he prolly would be lvl 70 max you don't see us crying about it so why cry cos bleed is bugged as well?

swiftlikeafox

The whole point of this thread was to whine, and to be honest I don't think the mods should have even let it go this far....

To quote the OP

A few Ideas would be:
make the pets untradable
make their skills less powerful to balance with pets
drop the defense bonus given in fox form

eh that is all i have atm
this class is ruining the game for many players....
i know quite a few who hate venos
i for one don't even party with them