Nerf The Veno

Gwendolynne - Heavens Tear

I love TT runs! RangerJoe is fun to TT with! Cause he dies, a lot. XD

I gain a good bit from TT when I solo. Cause I don't have to share my EXP With my Dork butt best Friend Sharp_Edge. You need to PK him. >.> A lot! =D

Klath - Sanctuary

Venos are unbalanced? Yes, my opinion.
For those argumenting "do your FBs without venos then":
Get another barb and you can discard venos any day. They do a better job and survive longer, also, more funnier/exciting than killing mobs 1 at a time (higher risks for wipes though, but still fun).

For those argumenting "venos lvl slower than clerics/wiz/archer/<insert class>":
You can go afk and let your pet killing on a high spawn area for minutes straight.

Venos NEVER need potions, charms only if they are stupid and constantly steal aggro from other people/pet (full mag venos), and on PvP obviously.
They have mana recovery spells that pretty much covers their mana cost for spamming basic attack spells and pet heals. If they want to, they can only be hurt by bosses AoE or monsters respawning behind them.

They can easily solo TT and FBs with a golem/herc at their own level, sometimes not even needing a charm to keep their hp up. Venos now can solo even squad mode of TT with hercules (they just need 3 people to open it, but they can do all the place by themselves). Tell me which other class can do that?
Countless times i have seen venos claiming "i just soloed XFB", regarding FBs 10 lvs lower than themselves. How many classes can do that? Even if they can, they will burn hundreds of coins on charms.


I wont mention KSing, because i just avoid staying near any venos when grinding, its too damn frustrating. Yes, its fault of the player, but many venos dont give a s*** if they are KSing or not.
Im talking about 99% of venos here, nice people exist.

Also, venos HARDLY will do anything to HELP others without any kind of return on it. FBs only if tabbed/same quest, TT only if they get a huge profit (never heard about any veno doing TT runs to "help friends"). Iv met all kind of people, from complete idiots to nicest persons you can find to play an MMO, but 99% of venos fall into the groups of the idiots. Sorry, sad but true, review your standards.

I try to NOT, ever, ask help or invite venos to my squads anymore, because i know they will just help if they will profit from it, while other people could join just for the fun or to be nice to each other.

I wont even discuss about how unbalanced is that flesh ream/bleeding skill bug is, i just saw single phoenixes lv60+ in action last week, **** 10-20 people in a matter of seconds. Something that nobody else on my guild could do without a lot of potting/charm and helping each other.
And reading about lv90 barbs being **** in 10 seconds by phoenixes on pvp server is just...Speechless...

As for making money fast, do you really believe that any class can make money as easy as venos? Selling pet eggs, selling rare pets, soloing TTs...
I never heard before about someone wasting 20-30m to buy something until 2 people told me that had wasted around 30m to buy part of the necessary phoenix feathers/source of forces to get their newly overpowered pets.
I can only dream about making that high amount of money without investing a lot of real life cash into the game and selling boutique items/gold for coins...


This is not a veno-hate post, i DO hate the class, not the people, but this all is just my personal view about the class overall. That is a class that if it was wiped from the game, i would NOT miss them.

Stickygreen - Heavens Tear

will do, ill look out for him 8D

Gwendolynne - Heavens Tear

Stickygreen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

xD ive been 80 for a week, although in all my TT runs ive gained a good 20-30% 8D

Stickygreen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

will do, ill look out for him 8D

HAHAHA! I'll be sure to tell him... because that will be funny.

Next time theres a PK Fest in Secret Passage I'll drag him down there for you.b:chuckle

!Klath: LOL! I simply love the whole "staying away" You know... I've bene KS'd a lot as a Veno. It's not really just a Veno that's Class-ism! Learn how to play better.

The only reason it seems like more Venos KS is becuase there are SO MANY Venos! It's not our fault that majority don't care.

I, for one, don't KS on purpose ever. Hey it happens, even on my Cleric. But I at least appologize. Thats more than I can say for Some **** Wizards I know.

Stickygreen - Heavens Tear

http://pwi.perfectworld.com/event/eventsubpage/731 gogogogogo new events addded!

Cat - Heavens Tear

Ive said it many times already and Ill say it again. If your on this thread complaining about venos then you need to go make one. Get it to lvl 60+ at least and then you have earned the right to complain about them.

Until that time you really dont know jack about venos.. You can "see" them play, you can be in parties with them, you can even ask them. Theres no proof they are telling you the truth.

So until such time as you actually have the experience for yourself of a lvl 60+ veno your just talking about something in which you really have no idea period...

Stickygreen - Heavens Tear

yea, venos arent OP, phoenix is. venos are fine the way they are. especially cat >.> *whistles*

Klath - Sanctuary

Ive said it many times already and Ill say it again. If your on this thread complaining about venos then you need to go make one. Get it to lvl 60+ at least and then you have earned the right to complain about them.

Until that time you really dont know jack about venos.. You can "see" them play, you can be in parties with them, you can even ask them. Theres no proof they are telling you the truth.

So until such time as you actually have the experience for yourself of a lvl 60+ veno your just talking about something in which you really have no idea period...

Normally id agree with you, i wouldnt say jack-**** about any class without playing one, the only exception i put here are venos, Why?

The rate of how often i hear
"I solo'ed TT/FBx/<boss name>/<your mom>"
from ANY class on the game, is so damn less often than i hear it from venos.

Maybe if i never played one, there are so many of them around that you can have an idea of how they work, you see their hp/mp bar always full without using pot or charms, you see them out-level you by a matter of days, even when you are playing longer than them (friends), and hearing how they just wasted <insert billion amount here> to buy some fancy clothes while most other classes say "i dont have money to buy skills".

Yes, maybe i need to play a veno to experience the feeling. Wouldnt get so frustrated when playing. But again, i just avoid the class as a whole and frustration goes away.



(Or maybe they are all just gloaters/braggers/liars and venos actually is a sucky class?)

Mua - Lost City

Cat - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Ive said it many times already and Ill say it again. If your on this thread complaining about venos then you need to go make one. Get it to lvl 60+ at least and then you have earned the right to complain about them.

Until that time you really dont know jack about venos.. You can "see" them play, you can be in parties with them, you can even ask them. Theres no proof they are telling you the truth.

So until such time as you actually have the experience for yourself of a lvl 60+ veno your just talking about something in which you really have no idea period...

Quoted for freaking truth.

I stopped reading Klath's post at "Tell me which other class can do that?"

This just in: Apparently there are meant to be many similarities between classes in MMORPGS. Being a solo class does not mean that you are allowed to have advantages for soloing -.-

Yes, the Bleed bug gives venos PVP power too but to even use this power effectively, venos have to go light armour, and even then a skilled enemy can tear them apart. Heavy armour venos level ridiculously slowly and lose many of their great "solo class" advantages. Yay.

Who knows, maybe they'll nerf it like they supposedly did on MY, venos will go back to being that PVE class with crappy attack and crappy defence and we can all re-roll archer.

Gwendolynne - Heavens Tear

Cat - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Ive said it many times already and Ill say it again. If your on this thread complaining about venos then you need to go make one. Get it to lvl 60+ at least and then you have earned the right to complain about them.

Until that time you really dont know jack about venos.. You can "see" them play, you can be in parties with them, you can even ask them. Theres no proof they are telling you the truth.

So until such time as you actually have the experience for yourself of a lvl 60+ veno your just talking about something in which you really have no idea period...

Here here!

I HATE my Veno! .... but I am too tried to finish that.

It was supposed to be sarcastic. I'll leave that to Sticky.b:surrender

Stickygreen - Heavens Tear

8D 1+1=cake, nuf said

Klath - Sanctuary

I stopped reading Klath's post at "Tell me which other class can do that?"

Venos now can solo even squad mode of TT with hercules (they just need 3 people to open it, but they can do all the place by themselves). Tell me which other class can do that?

Please tell me then? Humbly asking you here.

I saw a lv70+ barb get teared apart without healings against the first boss of 2-1, his charm barely kept him alive for more than 20 seconds.

Just to a few minutes later, a veno with a herc lv59 killed him all by herself.
My words to the barb: "Well, at least you still can buff us.".

Cat - Heavens Tear

Stickygreen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

yea, venos arent OP, phoenix is. venos are fine the way they are. especially cat >.> *whistles*

I honestly like my herc better than my pheonix, I even put that bleed skill on it and maxed it out, cant say i was too impressed. When I finally get that damn reflect scroll for my pheonix you can say goodbye to the bleed spell cause it will be the first thing to get replaced with reflect lol.

Though I will admit after 9 months of PW MY, I dont really get into the pvp scene, I have better things to do personally. Maybe thats why my opinions are different.

Stickygreen - Heavens Tear

jesus , your barb sucks ****, i can tank every boss in 2-2/1-3 without heals with the exception of 1.wurlod (forshua) 2. Soulgatherer (mirror) 3. Drum boss. im level 80.

Cat, why no PvP? T_T i want to be your PvP partner! *-*

Gwendolynne - Heavens Tear

Klath - Sanctuary wrote: »

Please tell me then? Humbly asking you here.

I saw a lv70+ barb get teared apart without healings against the first boss of 2-1, his charm barely kept him alive for more than 20 seconds.

Just to a few minutes later, a veno with a herc lv59 killed him all by herself.
My words to the barb: "Well, at least you still can buff us.".

Perks of our class. Go get one and get a Herc yourself. Not EVERY Veno has one of those. I don't. I don't even us a Golem.

Why complain about something you can play yourself?

You just don't want to. Your problem not ours.

Mua - Lost City

Klath - Sanctuary wrote: »

Please tell me then? Humbly asking you here.

I saw a lv70+ barb get teared apart without healings against the first boss of 2-1, his charm barely kept him alive for more than 20 seconds.

Just to a few minutes later, a veno with a herc lv59 killed him all by herself.
My words to the barb: "Well, at least you still can buff us.".

What part of SOLO CLASS do you not get? Venos were made to solo, as obviously as clerics were made to be able support, it's what they do. If you don't like it, be one! Trying to copy a veno's achievements with another class? Maybe you should go make a bow warrior and try to outdamage an archer while you're at it?

Klath - Sanctuary

jesus , your barb sucks ****, i can tank every boss in 2-2/1-3 without heals with the exception of 1.wurlod (forshua) 2. Soulgatherer (mirror) 3. Drum boss. im level 80.

You are lv80, i said lv70. Also talking about squad mode, at single, even i can tank those bosses (just cant kill, support cleric).

Perks of our class. Go get one and get a Herc yourself. Not EVERY Veno has one of those. I don't. I don't even us a Golem.

Why complain about something you can play yourself?

You just don't want to. Your problem not ours.

Learn to read, i was stating my opinion about the class, if you dont like, your problem, you dont have the right to go aggressive on me for saying my opinion about the class design (actually you do, thats the internet troll rules).



Will repeat
Thats my opinion

If you enjoy playing venos, good for you. Thats the purpose of the game afterall, isnt it?


(PS: leaving this thread, i aggro'ed the trolls)

Stickygreen - Heavens Tear

i do all the time, i way out DD archers as a bowbarian

and, i am talking about squad, 2-2 and 1-3 hit considerably harder than your pathetic 1-2 and 2-1 runs

Mua - Lost City

Stickygreen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

i do all the time, i way out DD archers as a bowbarian

and, i am talking about squad, 2-2 and 1-3 hit considerably harder than your pathetic 1-2 and 2-1 runs

6% crit rate on my light armour Venomarcher (and rising)! b:victory

Stickygreen - Heavens Tear

muahaha! 7% crit rate! without any +crit gear *_*

Gwendolynne - Heavens Tear

Stickygreen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

i do all the time, i way out DD archers as a bowbarian

and, i am talking about squad, 2-2 and 1-3 hit considerably harder than your pathetic 1-2 and 2-1 runs

Yay for Bowbarian!

@Klath: Well am I not entitled to MY opinion? I enjoy Soloing. Why would I play a class that NEEDS a squad for everything? I don't LIKE people. HATE them. I like to be alone and enjoy my game in peace. When I want people I play my cleric, or hang out in my guild.

If they Nerf'd a Venomancer then . .. how exactly would I solo successfully?

I'm allowed to my opinion too, and don't flatter me with troll status. Not quite there yet, I don't break rules.

Stickygreen - Heavens Tear

you hate people? T_T this makes greenykitty very sad...

Gwendolynne - Heavens Tear

Stickygreen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

you hate people? T_T this makes greenykitty very sad...

Aww. Well I hate the majority of people. =D Are you lucky enough to be in my good graces? I'm quite the "celebrity" on HT you know. XD

Not really but people keep whispering me when they see me "I see you on WC all the time! I hate you (or I Love you)."

Do you get that a lot? lol.

Stickygreen - Heavens Tear

i get that alot.. although its more of... "id love to smoke you" T_T

Blancheneige - Heavens Tear

Gwendolynne - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I'm quite the "celebrity" on HT you know. XD

You are? Sorry, never even saw the name once....

Mua - Lost City

Gwendolynne - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Yay for Bowbarian!

@Klath: Well am I not entitled to MY opinion? I enjoy Soloing. Why would I play a class that NEEDS a squad for everything? I don't LIKE people. HATE them. I like to be alone and enjoy my game in peace. When I want people I play my cleric, or hang out in my guild.

If they Nerf'd a Venomancer then . .. how exactly would I solo successfully?

I'm allowed to my opinion too, and don't flatter me with troll status. Not quite there yet, I don't break rules.

Haha, one of the things I absolutely love about venomancers is that I no longer have to spam squad invitations to anyone within a mile radius if I want to get my quests done in any decent amount of time. In fact, I get invited more to parties instead of the other way round. We're an independent class and it freaking rocks.

Sorenshi - Heavens Tear

-pokes on cleric thing-
I'm a cleric myself, and I DO solo. I hate to be in parties to be honest, 'cause I won't get all drops (Yes, I'm greedy xD)
I think some pets from a veno are way too overpowered. I know it's a solo class, but don't you think it goes more to the 'god' class?

Klath - Sanctuary

@Klath: Well am I not entitled to MY opinion? I enjoy Soloing. Why would I play a class that NEEDS a squad for everything? I don't LIKE people. HATE them. I like to be alone and enjoy my game in peace. When I want people I play my cleric, or hang out in my guild.

If they Nerf'd a Venomancer then . .. how exactly would I solo successfully?

I'm allowed to my opinion too, and don't flatter me with troll status. Not quite there yet, I don't break rules.

It stops being a discussion of opinions when individuals start attacking each other.

Nowhere on the game entitles venos as "solo class", they have that capacity due to their abilities and pets, allowing them to easily solo comparing to other classes. Who said they are supposed to be a "solo class" besides the person who developed their skills/pets?

I never said to nerf the class, i voted "no" on this silly poll". The game is as it is, as long as people have fun with their characters, doesnt matter the game balance.

I'm a cleric myself, and I DO solo. I hate to be in parties to be honest, 'cause I won't get all drops (Yes, I'm greedy xD)

I do solo all the time, though i prefer to support. But can you solo TT squad mode bosses?

(PS: Please give clerics better lv79 skills, amen)

Stickygreen - Heavens Tear

barbs are more independent on LC. we dont get one hit by uber gear Pkers 8D

Mua - Lost City

Klath - Sanctuary wrote: »

Nowhere on the game entitles venos as "solo class", they have that capacity due to their abilities and pets, allowing them to easily solo comparing to other classes. Who said they are supposed to be a "solo class" besides the person who developed their skills/pets?

http://pwi.perfectworld.com/info/specific

Click the parrot (for venomancers), Read the "comments" section, Stop the typing. You're fighting a losing battle here.