Upcoming G17/R5 weapon release in PW-CN Discussion

testxvi

The reason why you cannot buy the R8.3 materials is because its insane expensive to even make them tradeable. I've tried sell them once via world chat while they were still tradeable, but nobody was interested & I didnt want to sit in instance whole day (materials are only tradeable inside of the instance, you need to open them before you leave, otherwise they dissapear)

Imagine if you didnt want to farm QM at all but would buy all the materials from someone that had them bound in their bank.
Fees to make them from bound to tradeable..
50k per ringstone
30 gold per weapon gold material
15 gold per armor gold material
3 gold per badge

Want a R8.3 weapon?
450mil coin + 3825 gold

Want a R8.3 armor piece?
100mil coin + 1020 gold

Oh and then you gotta pay craft fee too.. And these prices are assuming the person sells the materials for 0 ingame coins to you.​​

freygin

I forgot, yeah there is also that, the cost to make them tradeable. It makes most people, even rich people farm and get dirty, but the problem is it still takes a long time. With heavenflame update, most of the r8.3 materials are available as rewards from higher floors, all but one, benevolence seal. Over time, the materials can pile up, but what's the point if this one mat called Benevolence Seal is missing. To top it off, the bonus set name is different so we can't upgrade piece by piece and have to collect the whole mats for four pieces.

I really don't understand Wanmei's logic sometimes. How they expect us to split drops from instances in PW is kinda ridiculous since TT, finishing an instance especially qsm already takes 1-2 hours, then extra time is needed to split the drops. The map is blacked out again when dc'ed even though we will be teleported instantly. It's like this instance is made just to annoy us.

Sorry for derailing the thread discussing other stuffs, but the way I see it, G17 FB might have the same issue, one red mat for a 10-men squad. How ppl gonna split >< , they should give better option to split drops like for example break that mat using BQ hammer to crush the mat into 10 or 100 shards, then later we can craft it as one full piece after gathering enough shards. Something like that or whatever works, fast n easy.

New instances are mostly ten men squad now, even though with powerful gears 6-8 works too, but ten will always be faster. Gathering 10 people with same thing they want to do is time consuming already with the population decreasing, finishing the run also takes time, then splitting drops before it's finally done. Imo a game should be fun and entertaining at any time, not feel like chores or business.

testxvi

QM takes an hour, or 30min if its a good/full squad. The map can be viewed with bloodglass, and now bloodglass can even be crafted from lucky coins.
Bene seal is the easiest gold material (quite common drop) from QM so I dont feel that would be a problem for someone who wants the armor, if you want weapon only its not even needed.. I mean, I have over 200 (or am I over 300 now?) of exactly that mat just sitting in my bank being trash, and I have always been giving it away for free if someone else have been joining me and my partner during our QM runs.
Honestly QM isnt as bad as people think, just people didnt bother because it requires some time and the upgrade isnt that great for the time spent.
But a weapon that is stronger than our current r999.. Way more people should be interested in a new and better main weapon than spending hours upgrading a secondary weapon (aka R8R to R8RR).
Thats why QM never became populair. R8/defLv weaps are pretty much peoples secondary weapon in our version...

What goes for split in new instance it might be tricky
Squads gonna either be banking mats, selling and splitting coins like the good old nirvana days
or just random all materials...

I'm honestly looking forward to try farming it..​​

freygin

Did they change the drop rate for bene, there are only like 2-3 pieces of it per run, the chance of it dropping from a captain is 0.7475% , you're not mistakenly think it's the other common ones ? but you did say it's gold mat, I hope the drop rate is changed with the warfront update then. I play on a server that's still at Riptide expansion btw.

But I just checked pwdatabase and the droprate is still 0.7475%

testxvi

Droprate should be the same..
If you're playing another version of the game I have no idea how it would be. It is 2-3 bene seals on average per run, but here nobody wants to make the armor (with exception of aps sins) because they have G16/NV3 or R9+ armor, which means those 2-3 bene seals that I would get on average per run, is just.. being wasted.. and thats why I have so many in bank..​​

freygin

(It's not another version/private, it's official server but different region, so droprate is the same. I played on PWI a long time ago when seeker came out till level 40 iirc, but decided to quit because of high ping.)

In that case then yeah, 2-3 bene for urself is plenty. Here is the opposite, most people want the armor mats, kunwoo/weapon mat is free for now. 2-3 drops for 10 people and they all want it, lets do the math, 1 set of armors need 46x4=184 pieces, timed 10 people=1840 pieces. Assuming they all are a fixed squad with the same people every day (while in reality it's almost impossible for 10 ppl with different backgrounds can always be online at the same time), then the runs needed to complete the sets for 10 ppl is 1840/3=613 days (3 is generous, most often than not it's only 1-2 or sometimes none or rarely more than 3) or equal to 1 year and 8 months++, or two months++ if given to one person only, but not gonna happen, just for estimating the time to finish a set.

Enough about r8.3 now...

That's why it got me thinking G17 might have the same situation. It's hard to make a fixed squad so everyday squad will mostly have different people and makes it hard to decide who gets the mat, especially when gathering random ppl from world chat, not faction/guild.

chary

I ended up randoming excess mats that we couldn't split evenly in the 7-10 man qsm runs I did. I imagine g17 runs will probably go the same route unless someone is willing to buy the mats for a decent price.​​

dingo488

Your own alts dont ask for a split show me that G17 instance

jabq

dingo488 wrote: »

Your own alts dont ask for a split show me that G17 instance

The politically correct term for alts is friends .

"Your own friends don't ask for a split."​​

rieihdius

Well is confirmed now, we are getting it:
http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/pwi/news/detail/9864823-pwi:-elysium-coming-soon!

attackerv

According to pwcn feeding back, the first G17R4 can be reached by 3-4 months by farming + CS (buying mats from other farmer). However, they calculate they may get first G17R5 until next year if stuff source don't change in future.

normal players (farmers daily) can reach G17R3 by 5 months

Here is G17R4 bow +12 with GoF

phy att: 2749-3916
proc: GoF
att lve: +70
inv: -0.1
dex: +25
HP:+500
phy att +84
phy att +84

to pwi r9rr archer, G17R4 bow with GoF is worthy.

I wonder pwi may take longer time, considering less population than pwcn.

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freygin

Archer with GoF will be so broken, I prefer if they remove range penalty than giving archers GoF, it could be worse than being purged. I thought it was R5 only. They can still purge using rr8 bow and switch to GoF, wtf.

So it's actually quick enough to farm and doesn't take years.


About the PvP tournament,

Thursday Night Fights
Every Thursday night players can square off against each other in a no-holds-barred player versus player contest of steel and guts. If you have what it takes and defeat your challengers, you might walk out with a Crown of Madness.

@attackerv : Crown of Madness ? how ?
If Archers can get GoF at 4th recast, can magic classes get 'GoF' at 4th recast too ???

thenamesdomino

More will be revealed in the next few weeks. This post was designed to fan the flames of curiosity, and by the time we open the Gates of Elysium, you shall have the answers you are looking for.

freygin

thenamesdomino said:

More will be revealed in the next few weeks. This post was designed to fan the flames of curiosity, and by the time we open the Gates of Elysium, you shall have the answers you are looking for.

Sounds to me like flame the fans with more curiosity.

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turns out we can even get the g17 weapon procs at r3.
https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?act=url&depth=1&hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/items/50151&usg=ALkJrhhEpNAU1EEnlMNHhbmYHs350NUJmQ

attackerv

freygin said:

Archer with GoF will be so broken, I prefer if they remove range penalty than giving archers GoF, it could be worse than being purged. I thought it was R5 only. They can still purge using rr8 bow and switch to GoF, wtf.

So it's actually quick enough to farm and doesn't take years.


About the PvP tournament,

Thursday Night Fights
Every Thursday night players can square off against each other in a no-holds-barred player versus player contest of steel and guts. If you have what it takes and defeat your challengers, you might walk out with a Crown of Madness.

@attackerv : Crown of Madness ? how ?
If Archers can get GoF at 4th recast, can magic classes get 'GoF' at 4th recast too ???

3-4months to reaching G17R4 is for farmer+CS other farmer mats. u need to pay extra billions to other farmers for red mats, which only from G17 FB last boss (drop rate 1%) or pvp tourney. unsaying u also need other mats from ur expansive house.

G17R3 stat is bad to R9RR. pwi pvp players can skip it no matter what proc. R17R4 is similar to R9RR but different proc
only 1 proc for G17R4, so caster need to lost their purify proc for having double dmg proc (not sure its rate, maybe not higher than GoF).

archer is better for G17R4 since they can change weapon for purge or GoF

CoM is only for No.1 in weekly pvp X-server.

OP faction or allied faction can reach it. All they do is kicking out other faction ppl from tourney and make sure the ppl of in the same allied faction reach the last. CoM is bounded.

testxvi

freygin wrote: »

If Archers can get GoF at 4th recast, can magic classes get 'GoF' at 4th recast too ???

Dear @freygin , they can get it already at rank 3
pwdatabase.com/cn/items/50169
pwdatabase.com/cn/items/50151​​

freygin

testxvi said:

Dear @freygin , they can get it already at rank 3

pwdatabase.com/cn/items/50169

pwdatabase.com/cn/items/50151​​

Yea I just realized that after I posted and checked pwdb using google translate.

That is a huge upgrade for r8r wielders. Usually atk level and GoF are separated, not even on Warsoul weapon, it's on par with R9.2 weapon. When the gof proc-ed and stacks with crit, that 40 atk level there will be as high as 160.

attackerv said:

3-4months to reaching G17R4 is for farmer+CS other farmer mats. u need to pay extra billions to other farmers for red mats, which only from G17 FB last boss (drop rate 1%) or pvp tourney. unsaying u also need other mats from ur expansive house.

G17R3 stat is bad to R9RR. pwi pvp players can skip it no matter what proc. R17R4 is similar to R9RR but different proc
only 1 proc for G17R4, so caster need to lost their purify proc for having double dmg proc (not sure its rate, maybe not higher than GoF).

archer is better for G17R4 since they can change weapon for purge or GoF

CoM is only for No.1 in weekly pvp X-server.

OP faction or allied faction can reach it. All they do is kicking out other faction ppl from tourney and make sure the ppl of in the same allied faction reach the last. CoM is bounded.

It's similar to g13 warsoul helm from contest then. Does that mean we'll have someone walk out with CoM every week ? kinda unbelievable since they put the chance on that helm in packs so low and now given for free every week through pvp event.

attackerv

@freygin according pwcn rule, yes. the No.1 for singe server get G16 helmet like base helmet. and the No.1 for X-server get CoM. (both will be hold at the same time). not sure if it will change in pwi, but i guess not. helmet is bounded. so if already have one, no sense for 1 more. Also, u need a big allied faction, so that u won't be kicked out by outnumber at the 1st-5th round. 1st-5th round just ganking and ganked. if u are in a small faction, no matter how good gear, no chance to reach last round cuz will be ganked to die.

one year just max 52 CoM for 4 server if no repeated No.1 ( but repeat is very possible , but helmet is bounded). so dw CoM will flood the server.

the tourney is still for the big faction game, similar current tourney. But reward (helmet and G17 mat) will bring lots of OP ppl come. current tourney reward is trash.

you will learn more info from coming weeks.

attackerv

the only bad thing to pwi is that single server tourney and X-server tourney is the same time in pwcn so that weaker ppl can join single server tourney. however, the time zone issue in pwi will make X-server tourney ppl will join single server tourney as well. Therefore, OP ppl will get both rewards until pwi only let ppl join 1 tourney each week.

freygin

Do you have the pwdatabase link for g16 helm single server reward ?

splendideyes

superfedee said:

attackerv said:

According to pwcn feeding back, the first G17R4 can be reached by 3-4 months by farming + CS (buying mats from other farmer). However, they calculate they may get first G17R5 until next year if stuff source don't change in future.

normal players (farmers daily) can reach G17R3 by 5 months

Here is G17R4 bow +12 with GoF

phy att: 2749-3916
proc: GoF
att lve: +70
inv: -0.1
dex: +25
HP:+500
phy att +84
phy att +84

to pwi r9rr archer, G17R4 bow with GoF is worthy.

I wonder pwi may take longer time, considering less population than pwcn.

does 4th cast have a second proc \ defensive procs?

i lol`ed at the english translation:

"Happy Italy: attacks have a chance to make their own singing time by 30% for 8 seconds. - 10%"

sylenthunder

splendideyes wrote: »

i lol`ed at the english translation:

"Happy Italy: attacks have a chance to make their own singing time by 30% for 8 seconds. - 10%"

Bard class confirmed! ​​

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tictic99999

singing time is channeling time.

attackerv

freygin said:

Do you have the pwdatabase link for g16 helm single server reward ?

basically, same as base helmet

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attackerv

B4 new housing system release, I want to remind one thing to those OP/rich/CS ppl.

You can level house faster by gold/CS. However, house WON'T DRECTLY give u G17 mats/card pack/star chart stuff even you max level your house by spending billions coins and thousands golds on it.

You need to finish the daily quest from house for the reward. Those quest needs u kill boss in FB (the top quest is G17 FB last boss) or other ppl having similar house level to kill boss for craft map and craft the stuff for you ( you need to pay them).

however, When you reach high level house faster than most ppl, that means few ppl have the similar level house like you. you have to run the craft map quest by yourself to get the G17 mat and other rewards from your expansive house. that is a time consume. If you don't have time, the expansive house is USELESS to you!!!

Unlike cards or star chart, just spending enough golds can reach max. G17 mats/card pack/star chart stuff from house is NOT. it is gold+TIME consume.

Even you reach max level house, if you don't have time to run the quest or if no other ppl having expansive house like you can spend time to make stuff for you, you can't finish the high level quest from you house and you CANNOT get any reward from your expansive house!!!!

freygin

How much is the estimated cost to max everything for housing in real world currency ?

sylenthunder

freygin wrote: »

How much is the estimated cost to max everything for housing in real world currency ?

Unknown since we're getting our own special version for PWI that is different from the original in China. Hopefully upcoming news posts on it will have some basic information on costs.​​