TW Discussion - Twilight Temple

Suiryujin - Sanctuary

oommmeeeggggg the map changed after so many weeks! XD

RisenPhoenix - Sanctuary

still red and orange b:shocked

Dominatiger - Sanctuary

wow big diference.

It would be ironic if nef take Leg territory this week.

_makina_ - Sanctuary

Doubt nef will be able to take leg land this week. Regicide is becoming more of a factor in pushing nef into splitting forces. If things keep going this way it wont be long b4 people start to demonize leg as the #1. Too soon to tell though only the next month or two will show if anything is changing or not.

LloydAsplund - Sanctuary

_makina_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

Doubt nef will be able to take leg land this week. Regicide is becoming more of a factor in pushing nef into splitting forces. If things keep going this way it wont be long b4 people start to demonize leg as the #1. Too soon to tell though only the next month or two will show if anything is changing or not.

That doesnt really help the fact that there are only 2 factions on the map. Yea sure, regicide gets stronger a bit and forced nef to split. This only benefits Legendary to take more Nefarious lands. If regicide attacks Legendary with Nefarious, then Nef. would gain more Legendary land. This just brings it back to the issue of having only 2 colours on the map.

AndromedaB - Sanctuary

LloydAsplund - Sanctuary wrote: »

That doesnt really help the fact that there are only 2 factions on the map. Yea sure, regicide gets stronger a bit and forced nef to split. This only benefits Legendary to take more Nefarious lands. If regicide attacks Legendary with Nefarious, then Nef. would gain more Legendary land. This just brings it back to the issue of having only 2 colours on the map.

...thats gota be the dumbest thing ever...
reg being strong means that it >>>>>>>>>>>>CAN<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< take land if nef puts more force onto leg *duh*

LloydAsplund - Sanctuary

Regicide will not even be close to beating either nefarious or legendary. Not even close, unless something happens internally to nef/leg.

Byno - Sanctuary

Something finally happens to the map...And Holy's on vacation. lols.

AndromedaB - Sanctuary wrote: »

...thats gota be the dumbest thing ever...
reg being strong means that it >>>>>>>>>>>>CAN<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< take land if nef puts more force onto leg *duh*

If it gets to the point that Nef has to choose between giving up land to Leg or giving up land to Reg, they'd probably put full force into Reg, because Reg would be the easier defense. Reg can split them, but Reg can't take them 1v1 yet.

Unless, of course, Nef has too much pride and would rather give Reg land than give more to Leg.

_makina_ - Sanctuary

LloydAsplund - Sanctuary wrote: »

That doesnt really help the fact that there are only 2 factions on the map. Yea sure, regicide gets stronger a bit and forced nef to split. This only benefits Legendary to take more Nefarious lands. If regicide attacks Legendary with Nefarious, then Nef. would gain more Legendary land. This just brings it back to the issue of having only 2 colours on the map.

We have the luxury of being on a pve server so you know what that means? No KOS you have the choice to go into pk mode meaning no one can stop you from lvling. If all the people wanna guild hop or flock to the big two they can but do you really think theres only 400 people playing the server? The big two cant hold all the new up and comming players. Regicide could complain be like boo hoo we cant compete but they are out there doing tw's and doing something about it for that i gotta give them some respect. All it takes is time.

blindeyesniper

If I was Nef., I would give Regi. land and put full force to defend against Leg. It's better to give the weaker faction some land because you know that you will be able to take it back. If Legendary gets land, you probably won't be able to get it back unless you get lucky and have another faction that's equal to strength of Regi. and attack together.

TheDan - Sanctuary

blindeyesniper wrote: »

If I was Nef., I would give Regi. land and put full force to defend against Leg. It's better to give the weaker faction some land because you know that you will be able to take it back. If Legendary gets land, you probably won't be able to get it back unless you get lucky and have another faction that's equal to strength of Regi. and attack together.

What makes you so sure they can take it back? We haven't tried full defense against Nef yet

LloydAsplund - Sanctuary

_makina_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

We have the luxury of being on a pve server so you know what that means? No KOS you have the choice to go into pk mode meaning no one can stop you from lvling. If all the people wanna guild hop or flock to the big two they can but do you really think theres only 400 people playing the server? The big two cant hold all the new up and comming players. Regicide could complain be like boo hoo we cant compete but they are out there doing tw's and doing something about it for that i gotta give them some respect. All it takes is time.

I am in Regicide. Its the sheer amount of cash that nef/leg members get. Even if we become par in level with them (if that even actually happens) we will still have worse gear. They get like what? 280m a week? While we lose money from TW.

I miss the good TWs. I heard the legendary vs shockwave matches were "REAL TWs". Unfortunately, I was never in either. The best TW that I have had was "rebirth vs steel" before both of them fell. Full 3 hour madness. funfunfun.

blindeyesniper

TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »

How do you know they can take it back? We haven't tried full defense against Nef yet

I'm pretty sure taking a land back from Regi. is easier than taking a land back from Legendary. I would be surprised if Regicide could defend Nef head to head full force. You guys just aren't as powerful yet. ATM, you're only considered a good distraction much like "Rebirth" was. And in my opinion, before Asch abandoned PW, "Rebirth" was more powerful than Regi.'s current strength.

TheDan - Sanctuary

LloydAsplund - Sanctuary wrote: »

I am in Regicide. Its the sheer amount of cash that nef/leg members get. Even if we become par in level with them (if that even actually happens) we will still have worse gear. They get like what? 280m a week? While we lose money from TW.

I miss the good TWs. I heard the legendary vs shockwave matches were "REAL TWs". Unfortunately, I was never in either. The best TW that I have had was "rebirth vs steel" before both of them fell. Full 3 hour madness. funfunfun.

Are you sure you're in Regicide?

LloydAsplund - Sanctuary

TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »

Are you sure you're in Regicide?

Yes, Im sure. Well, my main is there, lol.

_makina_ - Sanctuary

LloydAsplund - Sanctuary wrote: »

I am in Regicide. Its the sheer amount of cash that nef/leg members get. Even if we become par in level with them (if that even actually happens) we will still have worse gear. They get like what? 280m a week? While we lose money from TW.

I miss the good TWs. I heard the legendary vs shockwave matches were "REAL TWs". Unfortunately, I was never in either. The best TW that I have had was "rebirth vs steel" before both of them fell. Full 3 hour madness. funfunfun.

That is why i said all it takes is time. If you keep playing u will get coin/money to + your gears as well after a while nef and leg will hit a wall and its up to the rest of the server to squish them (big omg killer guilds) into it. If people quit or move on thats their choice. I still think Sanctuary tw's arent dead they have just hit a stale patch as of the moment.

TheDan - Sanctuary

blindeyesniper wrote: »

I'm pretty sure taking a land back from Regi. is easier than taking a land back from Legendary. I would be surprised if Regicide could defend Nef head to head full force. You guys just aren't as powerful yet. ATM, you're only considered a good distraction much like "Rebirth" was. And in my opinion, before Asch abandoned PW, "Rebirth" was more powerful than Regi.'s current strength.

In my opinion, levels aren't as important as people deem them to be. I mean Steel had way higher levels than "Rebirth" yet, strategy and teamwork still prevails over sheer levels.

Same with Outlaw, when Regicide defended them. There's a lot more to TW than just pure levels. Most our faction have the experience necessary to do what we need to do, When we need to do it.

Hell, I've been leading our TW roster for almost 8 months now, we have a pretty good grasp of what's needed to be done.

Oh and, I think you're a bit delusional on Regicide's current strength atm :S

slymeria

blindeyesniper wrote: »

I'm pretty sure taking a land back from Regi. is easier than taking a land back from Legendary. I would be surprised if Regicide could defend Nef head to head full force. You guys just aren't as powerful yet. ATM, you're only considered a good distraction much like "Rebirth" was. And in my opinion, before Asch abandoned PW, "Rebirth" was more powerful than Regi.'s current strength.

who are you exactly? and yes, rebirth went full offense on nef before asch quit and lasted an hour and a half. then aerial squads dropped to the ground (a few archers in particular b:angry) and nef gained the aerial advantage. that was it for that battle. i remember in that tw how silvercut was saying how easy nef was XD but i do agree with dan. equipment means nothing. look at bigpunisher, what a crappy barb. hes such a fail in tw. harima_kenji is so much harder. id also like to note that regi is slowly getting stronger. so props to yous. ;D

blindeyesniper

TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »

In my opinion, levels aren't as important as people deem them to be. I mean Steel had way higher levels than "Rebirth" yet, strategy and teamwork still prevails over sheer levels.

Same with Outlaw, when Regicide defended them. There's a lot more to TW than just pure levels. Most our faction have the experience necessary to do what we need to do, When we need to do it.

Hell, I've been leading our TW roster for almost 8 months now, we have a pretty good grasp of what's needed to be done.

I'm not going to argue against experience, strategies, and teamwork because It's true that they are vital to winning TWs. In comparison, Nef/Legendary have more experience than Regicide's current state and will continue to have more simply because they're TWing every week against multiple attackers. Nef and Leg also have good tactics and teamwork or else they wouldn't be able to hold as many land as they do now. So yes, all these things matter. However, Leg/Nef have some things most factions don't and they are large funds, better equipments, and the levels. Now, I'm not saying that they will be indestructible. They will fall eventually but I don't see that happening any time soon. They will continue to have better equipments and larger funds but once everyone caught up to level with them, it'll be a whole different ball game.

TheDan - Sanctuary

blindeyesniper wrote: »

I'm not going to argue against experience, strategies, and teamwork because It's true that they are vital to winning TWs. In comparison, Nef/Legendary have more experience than Regicide's current state and will continue to have more simply because they're TWing every week against multiple attackers. Nef and Leg also have good tactics and teamwork or else they wouldn't be able to hold as many land as they do now. So yes, all these things matter. However, Leg/Nef have some things most factions don't and they are large funds, better equipments, and the levels. Now, I'm not saying that they will be indestructible. They will fall eventually but I don't see that happening any time soon. They will continue to have better equipments and larger funds but once everyone caught up to level with them, it'll be a whole different ball game.

Nef/Legendary having more experience? That's arguable at best. With the exception of Shockwave and Steel, Nef/Legendary haven't needed to rely on strategy, or teamwork because they were able to just steam roll every faction they faced. But until about a month ago, when Legendary and Nefarious finally fought, they were pretty much on even playing fields. They've had to erase the concepts that they had more numbers and levels, and integrate new strategies, and teamwork that weren't needed before. I don't know about you, but steam rolling factions in five minutes, at least in my books, is hardly any experience at all. I mean yeah, they are TWing against multiple attacks every week, but most can just be steam rolled in five minutes.

It's true that at this current state of time, Nef/Legendary have had to endure week after week of attack. But in the earlier days they faced little to no opposition, and were able to steam roll most opponents.

Since the day Regicide was formed, we've always had to face stronger factions, stronger opponents. Face constant set-backs and losses. We started out as one of the weakest TW factions on the server, we managed to claim land on a few occasions, but quickly lost them. Several members immediately jumped ship to Nefarious and Legendary at the first sign of trouble. The attitude of the members who have stayed despite losing week after week after week of TWs, made them real members. One of the toughest things is getting wiped off the map and then getting back on. Many prior land holding factions crumbled immediately after losing their lands.

We've always been out-numbered, out-leveled. We've had our asses handed to us like no other. Because of those circumstances, strategy and teamwork was always a priority in every TW we've ever fought. In fact, we've probably lost more TWs than any other faction on the server. But despite the losses, defeats, we've always rebounded, and picked up new things; ways to improve the next battle, ways to outsmart the opponent when they least expect it. The fact that we're still alive and continuing to push forward must make us a living, breathing impossibility. xD

Don't get me wrong here, Nef/Legendary have had their setbacks as well, but they were mostly internal struggles. (ex: Nemesis, Knightz, Seppuku factions from Nefarious / Legendary's Milari quitting). We've pretty much established that even after losing almost every week, we keep pushing forward. If I'm not mistaken, Nef/Legendary acquired a lot of members from losing factions - People that gave up at the first sign of trouble. I'm not so sure what those certain members would happen to do if either faction started to lose lands.

Feel free to disagree, but my point still stands.

Zelfine - Sanctuary

blindeyesniper wrote: »

I'm pretty sure taking a land back from Regi. is easier than taking a land back from Legendary. I would be surprised if Regicide could defend Nef head to head full force. You guys just aren't as powerful yet. ATM, you're only considered a good distraction much like "Rebirth" was. And in my opinion, before Asch abandoned PW, "Rebirth" was more powerful than Regi.'s current strength.

b:shocked Someone outdated on some information.
Meh, it's always darkest before the dawn lol

blindeyesniper

Zelfine - Sanctuary wrote: »

b:shocked Someone outdated on some information.
Meh, it's always darkest before the dawn lol

I doubt it. I was in FTW -> Hybrid ->"Rebirth" -> Regicide. I only recently decided to leave Regicide due to the fact that most of the people I know left and got tired of 15 minute TWs. So no, I am not outdated on Regicide's strength. TheDan, I will say this to you. You are a great leader and I think Regicide have great potential like "Rebirth" once did. If you keep going at them, I'm sure some day Regicide's name will be on the map. Just make sure you don't become another Asch and let your faction crumble. I once thought that Nef lacked real TW experience and would fall when faced by a faction with experience and organization. I was wrong. Nef is very well organized and very disciplined when it comes to TW. I think you may be under-estimating them a bit.

TheDan - Sanctuary

blindeyesniper wrote: »

I doubt it. I was in FTW -> Hybrid ->"Rebirth" -> Regicide. I only recently decided to leave Regicide due to the fact that most of the people I know left and got tired of 15 minute TWs. So no, I am not outdated on Regicide's strength. TheDan, I will say this to you. You are a great leader and I think Regicide have great potential like "Rebirth" once did. If you keep going at them, I'm sure some day Regicide's name will be on the map. Just make sure you don't become another Asch and let your faction crumble. I once thought that Nef lacked real TW experience and would fall when faced by a faction with experience and organization. I was wrong. Nef is very well organized and very disciplined when it comes to TW. I think you may be under-estimating them a bit.

Well 15 minute TWs are 15 minute TWs on both sides. This is because of an imbalance of powers. So hypothetically speaking, if people are tired of 15 minute TWs, and decide to join Nefarious... Well, they'd technically still have 15 minute TWs except on the other side. I mean, not trying to be an **** here, but in theory, if everyone was tired of 15 minute TWs and decided to join Nefarious, well, I'm guessing they'd much prefer 10 minute TWs.

On a second note - You won't need to worry about me letting the faction crumble, there's a reason why we've outlasted most factions, regardless of winning or losing. Thanks for your concern though.

XAsch - Sanctuary

blindeyesniper wrote: »

Just make sure you don't become another Asch and let your faction crumble.

One day people will realise the fact that real life > game life. When they do, they won't make comments like this. Until then, comment away. b:cute

Ayano-chan - Sanctuary

I'll agree on the "gears and lvls don't mean everything" part. You ppl should realize that we (legendary) are like only 60% as rich as nefs are,besides the fact that nef had lots of lands for a very long time before any1 else(and they still hold more),their members are also quite hidden and grind/tt/grind/tt/cashshop(bigP or others) like mad,a large part of us basicaly waste time looking for pk fights on this crappy tea party server (yes it's stupid I know,flame me as you wish,I don't care).

Don't believe me?Check nef gears whenever you see them and compare to LG,or check on lvl ranking list. I mean talking about skill ?...AshWorth can't even stunlock properly yet(lvl 98 axe bm),templar didn't know till a few days ago that it take's 5-6 seconds for the "leaving safezone" msg to appear so that you can attack some1 or a nef 9x veno bragging about a 3k crit on some1 like it was the crit of the year; I could go on forever,but enough with this.
Apparently all the nef pkers(the ones they had being from other factions also not core-nefs) are either tired of it or their trying to reach 100 fast using rebirth delta in hopes to get an even bigger gap in lvls and gears.

Flame on !!!

And yea ... the best TWs were still legendary vs shockwave(I was in SW lvl 52-69 that time :P ).

Iremar - Sanctuary

TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »

Nef/Legendary having more experience? That's arguable at best. With the exception of Shockwave and Steel, Nef/Legendary haven't needed to rely on strategy, or teamwork because they were able to just steam roll every faction they faced. But until about a month ago, when Legendary and Nefarious finally fought, they were pretty much on even playing fields. They've had to erase the concepts that they had more numbers and levels, and integrate new strategies, and teamwork that weren't needed before. I don't know about you, but steam rolling factions in five minutes, at least in my books, is hardly any experience at all. I mean yeah, they are TWing against multiple attacks every week, but most can just be steam rolled in five minutes.

It's true that at this current state of time, Nef/Legendary have had to endure week after week of attack. But in the earlier days they faced little to no opposition, and were able to steam roll most opponents.

Since the day Regicide was formed, we've always had to face stronger factions, stronger opponents. Face constant set-backs and losses. We started out as one of the weakest TW factions on the server, we managed to claim land on a few occasions, but quickly lost them. Several members immediately jumped ship to Nefarious and Legendary at the first sign of trouble. The attitude of the members who have stayed despite losing week after week after week of TWs, made them real members. One of the toughest things is getting wiped off the map and then getting back on. Many prior land holding factions crumbled immediately after losing their lands.

We've always been out-numbered, out-leveled. We've had our asses handed to us like no other. Because of those circumstances, strategy and teamwork was always a priority in every TW we've ever fought. In fact, we've probably lost more TWs than any other faction on the server. But despite the losses, defeats, we've always rebounded, and picked up new things; ways to improve the next battle, ways to outsmart the opponent when they least expect it. The fact that we're still alive and continuing to push forward must make us a living, breathing impossibility. xD

Don't get me wrong here, Nef/Legendary have had their setbacks as well, but they were mostly internal struggles. (ex: Nemesis, Knightz, Seppuku factions from Nefarious / Legendary's Milari quitting). We've pretty much established that even after losing almost every week, we keep pushing forward. If I'm not mistaken, Nef/Legendary acquired a lot of members from losing factions - People that gave up at the first sign of trouble. I'm not so sure what those certain members would happen to do if either faction started to lose lands.

Feel free to disagree, but my point still stands.

I think dan just pretty much nailed it here =P

Kalza - Sanctuary

so no scones this week either? dam I wanted some scones b:angry

MiniST - Sanctuary

blah, the posts are weak b:angry need more QQs b:chuckle

And what else is weak, nef's defense, i ran in took 5 laps in their base by myself b4 i was killed. And i was like the only one there. (legendary that is :P)

ZzzKyantezzz - Sanctuary

the time will tell ... the time will tell ..... b:cute

Kalza - Sanctuary

well either way these tws are the most fun ive had in a while, b:cute