Hey all, we are making a handful more changes to give Archery a little more PVE oomph without affecting PVP and better solidify Trapper as a Hybrid Control/Damage tree who is flexible. That and an icon fix. Yay!
Hunter Ranger: Predator: This effect now grants 40% increased damage but this effect is halved on players.
Hunter Ranger: Trapper: Thorned Roots down deal 100/200/300/400/500% of your weapon damage over their duration (up from 50/100/150/200/250%).
Hunter Ranger: Biting Snares: Biting snares now also increases your Control Durations by 30% while active.
Hunter Ranger: Shift: Your shift power now shows the correct icon in the power window.
Thank you all for your continued feedback!
Chris "Gentleman Crush" Meyer
Nice changes, I love how you're making predator and assailing force work different in pve and pvp, that will solve many issues.
Hey all, we are making a handful more changes to give Archery a little more PVE oomph without affecting PVP and better solidify Trapper as a Hybrid Control/Damage tree who is flexible. That and an icon fix. Yay!
Hunter Ranger: Predator: This effect now grants 40% increased damage but this effect is halved on players.
Hunter Ranger: Trapper: Thorned Roots down deal 100/200/300/400/500% of your weapon damage over their duration (up from 50/100/150/200/250%).
Hunter Ranger: Biting Snares: Biting snares now also increases your Control Durations by 30% while active.
Hunter Ranger: Shift: Your shift power now shows the correct icon in the power window.
Thank you all for your continued feedback!
Chris "Gentleman Crush" Meyer
Thanks Chris! Will happily test the change! Great to see how present you are in the forum and all the effort put into adjusting the game!!
Le-Shan: HR level 80 (main)
Born of Black Wind: SW Level 80
Separating pve and pvp on same encounters/powers/feats is a daaaaaam good start to balance pve vs pvp.
There are so many skills that could be kept/buffed in pve to make classes viable (tr skills are the first that comes to mind) but would be game breaking in pvp, am very happy to see that this is something that enters the game now....
The changes to Trapper is a good start as dps must be competative in pve for that path to compete with Archer path.
Meele is still the only valid choise in pvp though as you need some form of healing when you dont have any cc/anti cc to keep you alive.
I would like to see you separate Consticting Arrow from meele path and let Trapper/Archer keep it as it was. If not something simular that can help with cc and anti cc for those paths.
I could also think of continuing with life steal path for meele tune down wild medicine and make it a t2 feat or place it in trapper path as a cap with 5 stacks or simular to give them something.
I will check out changes as soon as they come live and come back.
Trapper tree is a useless hybrid path, at least what I have seen. For pve it does to less dmg and for pvp its not good also. The roots right now are very weak in pvp. Would make no sense to move WM there. If its a control path, why would u have a feat that heals u when u get hit? The mobs should never get to u anyway if the cc of the path is strong enough.
Wilds medicine fits in melee. Trapper needs more control capabilities, not more survival with healing.
feedback wilds medicine and the new lone wolf go hand in hand now pretty much guarenteed procs of medicine in pvp considering most HR's will have anywhere between 40-45% deflect cryptic pretty much gave you your set bonus baked into your class.
this changes nothing from the problems of before still think the amount should be lowered or it should have an ICD after it's initial 10 stacks at 40% deflect and this getting capped at 10 stacks every few seconds what player will ever be able to take down this beast
the only really troubleing thing with this skill is it procs off anything example= plague fire heals you guys dot's heal you guys SW curse DMG heals you it doesnt matter what damage gets deflected it could be for 2 dmg it will heal to the fullest and this is a bit ridiculous.
just laughing to myself how useless plaguefire will be against HR's or any class mechanic that has to deal damage over time.
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arcticblitzMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 126Arc User
Hey all, we are making a handful more changes to give Archery a little more PVE oomph without affecting PVP and better solidify Trapper as a Hybrid Control/Damage tree who is flexible. That and an icon fix. Yay!
Hunter Ranger: Predator: This effect now grants 40% increased damage but this effect is halved on players.
Hunter Ranger: Trapper: Thorned Roots down deal 100/200/300/400/500% of your weapon damage over their duration (up from 50/100/150/200/250%).
Hunter Ranger: Biting Snares: Biting snares now also increases your Control Durations by 30% while active.
Hunter Ranger: Shift: Your shift power now shows the correct icon in the power window.
Thank you all for your continued feedback!
Chris "Gentleman Crush" Meyer
Great news thanks Crush I love the direction in continuing to separate PVP and PVE effects definitely a smart way to balance. thanks for listening
Blitzy : PVE only Barbarian
Martin ConDion PVE only Ranger Guild Founder: -HunterS-
this is from testing experience in pvp on test granted more can be done but right now on test in most situations wilds medicine with the new lone wolf is making it like how it is on live
and the problem isnt lone wolf it's in the mechanics of how wilds medicine works especially since it has no cooldown after 10 stacks with any dot it's right back up again in a matter or seconds theres no gap when the healing stops proccing
Maybe start using not DoT enchantments? Especially because the mandness boon isnt bugged anymore.
Hit a combat HR only with ur encounter and daily powers and only with at-wills when he is prone (prone = no deflect) and he doesnt heal that much.
HRs dont have forest meditation anymore (its a bad power now) so eventually, the HRcam be brought down by burst, but not by dots.
Trying to kill a combat deflect HR with DoTs and low dmg = Fail!
Hey all, we are making a handful more changes to give Archery a little more PVE oomph without affecting PVP and better solidify Trapper as a Hybrid Control/Damage tree who is flexible. That and an icon fix. Yay!
Hunter Ranger: Predator: This effect now grants 40% increased damage but this effect is halved on players.
Hunter Ranger: Trapper: Thorned Roots down deal 100/200/300/400/500% of your weapon damage over their duration (up from 50/100/150/200/250%).
Hunter Ranger: Biting Snares: Biting snares now also increases your Control Durations by 30% while active.
Hunter Ranger: Shift: Your shift power now shows the correct icon in the power window.
Thank you all for your continued feedback!
Chris "Gentleman Crush" Meyer
This new Predator is another nerf of 5% damage (20% vs 25%) in PvP for Archery (and Archery is already very week in PvP)... HR in global need more survival in all trees, both in PvE and PvP.. my suggestion:
put wild medicine as class feature: 4/5% x 10 stacks heal in PvE and 2/2.5% (halved) in PvP , replace the moved wild medicine in the combat tree with increase DR with same mechanism of Aspect of Lone Wolf (2% increase DR for each enemy in the radius with a max of 10%)
HR Syncro - The Equalizer - PvP stats: 10000/4800 (kills/deaths)
I would like to see Constricting Arrow reverted to its former glory. Not much reason to use it now because it no longer stands out. Its just a slightly improved hindering shot/strike and hindering does more damage. The roots since nerfed arent that effective at all. So we have 2 of the same power. And you will see everyone just move to Boar's now.
Combat
I dont see any real benefit to the lifesteal.
Id like to see a mix of old and new feats. Id also like to see the paragon feat switched between trapper and combat. Slasher's Speed seems better suited to combat and advanced Stalking seems more Trapper like.
T1
Seeker
Serpent Weave
T2
Fluid Hunter - its better than it was.. but still could be better. Id rather see Elusive hunter return
Slasher's Speed
T3
Piercing Blade - I like this feat now with the buff.
Scything Blades - move Wild Medicine to T4. Also increase the damage on this feat
T4
Wilds Medicine
Expert Skirmisher - Best feat imo. Specially for a combat spec, can help you out of tough spots
T5
Blade Hurricane
I can say that i felt pretty squishy last night and was melted multiple times by a cw.
I will probably stay Pathfinder but would like to see the nerfs to Stormwarden lifted. Everyone is only going pathfinder. Need a reason for people to use the other path in pvp and pve. Stormstep unnerfed and maybe a bonus to fox shift in that paragon. Everyone is playing the same cookie cutter build and feats arent the only to change this.
Summery after Testing all Paths both pve and pvp up until reasent patch.
PVE
Trapper path - Fun soloing- Lacks aoe dam and single target dam - lacks group utilitys
Archer path - Solid dam both single target and aoe - lacks cc - could use some more survivability and something to lessen aggro
Meele path - Good survivability - lacks dam both in single target and aoe - lacks group utility
PVP
Archer - Good dam - no cc - extreamly low survivabilty - no anti cc - no group utility
Trapper path - The cc in this path becomes utterly useless in pvp - lacks survivability - no cc - no anti cc - low dam - no group utility
Meele path - Very good survivability - deacent dam but no burst - no cc - no anti cc - no group utility
As it is now Hrs has 2 options full meele build for pvp or full archer build for pve there is no middle ground no hybrid path to go.
Now here comes the bad part for the Hr class as a hole.
If you are to make groups for pve and compare why different classes should be taken into a group only tr falls short of hr.
Gf is a no brainer with their new group buffs, solid dps and HUGE aggro management.
Gwf is still solid aoe dps and can still tank even if its to some lesser extent then before.
Dc is a no brainer with healing and debuffing+shielding.
Cw well they are KING of pve I think they will rule even more then before if not for the warlock class but that is a big maby still.
Warlock with a more then great utility for both dam and group heals will as I see it take their place in pve and depending how it comes out when module 4 goes live also in pvp.
Tr well they can run to campfires and do deacent single target dam but wont add anything of real value to the group(yes there are some exelent players that are an exeption as they always will contribute even if they play a naked clown).
If you are to make room for a Hr you have one cw less or one warlock less whish isent an option really.
Now I am sure some stubborn Hr lovers will stay as archer in pve and do a deacent job of it but if you going to start a new char Hr wont be one of the top shoises and the class will slowly dwindle away into the forrest from where i came .......
In pvp I had a new experiance.
I played pvp games for well over 15 years in different games and when it comes to holding my ground I would like to see me more then deacent.
My Hr has 17kgs 38+khp 30 Dr and 45% Reflect and are fully meele build leaning toward survivability over pure dam but still around 5.5k power 32%arpen 1500+reg.
On test and played well over 100 duels as well a dussin pvp matches and meele Hr stand well up to most classes.
The only class i havent fought is perma hide/bile tr as i found non so far.
But when it come to Cws Hr is but a irritating fly buzzing around.
I fought some deacent 17-18k Cws with and without new shield spell and the only differance is how fast i die.
They melt me down in less then 30 sec and mostly am lucky if i can land a single meele attack. The cc in pvp from Cws right now is to the extent that you can leave the keyboard and come back when its over it makes no difference what so ever.
The push takes you back to your birthplace on another continent like 100 miles away and while running back trying to get near the pesky little Cw you are locked down frozen to the ground so hard that even if the sun came down and visited you still stay frozen.
In between this they nuke the living <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> out of you with such and ease that I can swear I saw them yawn at me..
There is no way you can compeate in pvp with a meele Hr against this monster that they have created and together with a gf+dc they will devaste anything but another Cw with a gf+dc.
I must say am humbled by the experiance and if this goes live the need to play Hr in both pve and pvp is 0 , zip, nada compared to what a Cw can add and I very much daubt that we can compeate with a Warlock fully pvp geared with boons either.....
Feedback: Lack of Feedback for Constricting Arrow Change
Hello Dev's, we are doing our best to communicate with both opinion and true testing that this rework is more than likley going to make the encounter redundant for most specs. Please keep in mind that good feedback can only work when both parties address each other. Is your decision on this change final? Are you willing to rework other encounters to give back some control utility? Are you open to ideas for a rework?
Feedback: Marauders
If the above change is final and if you are willing to rework another encounter I would like to suggest this one. This change would make this skill utility only.
Rank 1: Range: You break free from control effects and dash backwards 50 feet, escaping your enemies.
Melee: Rush your target (no damage), slowing them by 10% for 1 seconds.
If you are willing to rework the change to Constricting Arrow.
Range: Fire and arrow at your target causing vines to constrict around them for 3 seconds.
Rank 2: Range: + 1 Sec stun
Rank 3: Range + 1 Sec stun
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arcticblitzMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 126Arc User
edited July 2014
Is there a way i can tell from the combat log's and ACT if Stillness of the Forest is triggering the max range bonus?
Suggestion : if possible A visual que on the recticle to indicate when you are at the max bonus damage distance
( I think I have a good feel for it but it would be nice for some confirmation, I started originally by backing up until i get target out of range and move forward a few steps at a time until i am in range,this becomes a lot more difficult to set up when dodging AOE's or having picked up agro)
Blitzy : PVE only Barbarian
Martin ConDion PVE only Ranger Guild Founder: -HunterS-
Feedback: Lack of Feedback for Constricting Arrow Change
Hello Dev's, we are doing our best to communicate with both opinion and true testing that this rework is more than likley going to make the encounter redundant for most specs. Please keep in mind that good feedback can only work when both parties address each other. Is your decision on this change final? Are you willing to rework other encounters to give back some control utility? Are you open to ideas for a rework?
Feedback: Marauders
If the above change is final and if you are willing to rework another encounter I would like to suggest this one. This change would make this skill utility only.
Rank 1: Range: You break free from control effects and dash backwards 50 feet, escaping your enemies.
Melee: Rush your target (no damage), slowing them by 10% for 1 seconds.
If you are willing to rework the change to Constricting Arrow.
Range: Fire and arrow at your target causing vines to constrict around them for 3 seconds.
Rank 2: Range: + 1 Sec stun
Rank 3: Range + 1 Sec stun
I like these ideas and think they're important if HR is ever going to move away from passive survival through self-healing.
The only suggestion would be to make Maurader's rush break CC too because you can't control what stance you'll be in when you get CC'ed. I would even get rid of the slow and just make it movement/CC-escape.
Feedback
One of the new boons last feat gives 10% incoming heal bonus. For hrs this would make them even more unkillable in pvp.
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nwnghostMember, Moderators, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited July 2014
Animation cancelling
Thorn Ward, Thorn Strike, Boar Charge, Rain of Swords, Seismic Shot animations can be cancelled early via Shift to enable the player to use other powers earlier as opposed to waiting for the powers to end normally
distrupting shot is still piercing throught cc immunity
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gabrieldourdenMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,212Arc User
edited July 2014
Binding Arrow has been basically superseded by the new Constrictive Arrow and the two powers are very similar now. Several users pointed out that HRs have no real CC at the moment.
Suggestion: replace Binding Arrow with the area power used by Green Dragonfangs, applying strong roots and disable. This will give all HRs a way to get a chance against ranged opponents that have CC available, and enforce the role of the trapper tree as controller by adding a disabling effect that can effectively shut down ranged enemies in PvE.
Le-Shan: HR level 80 (main)
Born of Black Wind: SW Level 80
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arcticblitzMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 126Arc User
Binding Arrow has been basically superseded by the new Constrictive Arrow and the two powers are very similar now. Several users pointed out that HRs have no real CC at the moment.
Suggestion: replace Binding Arrow with the area power used by Green Dragonfangs, applying strong roots and disable. This will give all HRs a way to get a chance against ranged opponents that have CC available, and enforce the role of the trapper tree as controller by adding a disabling effect that can effectively shut down ranged enemies in PvE.
Love that idea
Blitzy : PVE only Barbarian
Martin ConDion PVE only Ranger Guild Founder: -HunterS-
This ability really needs to be scaled down just a bit because of how effective it is, because it's activated on deflected hits, and HRs can easily get 20%+ deflection, it's not very hard to get enough stacks of medicine to actually heal to almost full hp, or even full hp, without doing anything but shifting to avoid damage and putting objects in between the opponents. HRs can effectivly take on multiple people (in PvP) and beat them all and then gain full hp withing 5-10 seconds, using only their passive healing abilities. HRs take the cleric out of devoted cleric, and just strap it on themselves with so many healing abilities. Wild medicine should be put into the nature tree (because it seems more at home there) aswell as being able to give them a more combat oriented feat for the melee/combat tree.
While the feat is nowhere near as powerful as some make it out to be, it's skill-less, boring and causes no end to complaints.
I'd much rather HR's depend more on skill or timing for defense. I suggest replacing one of the lifesteal feats in the combat tree with a feat that would give Marauder's CC-break and immunity during duration (for both stances, since you can't control which stance you'll be in when you get CC'ed). Then you could cut wild's medicine effectiveness in half.
I still think melee-oriented HR's need some self-healing, and from what I understand it goes along with D&D lore that rangers can heal well. But it shouldn't be the crux of our defense.
While the ability is nowhere near as powerful as some make it out to be, it's skill-less, boring and causes no end to complaints.
I'd much rather HR's depend more on skill or timing for defense. I suggest replacing one of the lifesteal feats in the combat tree with a feat that would give Marauder's CC-break and immunity during duration (for both stances, since you can't control which stance you'll be in when you get CC'ed). Then you could cut wild's medicine effectiveness in half.
I still think melee-oriented HR's need some self-healing, and from what I understand it goes along with D&D lore that rangers can heal well. But it shouldn't be the crux of our defense.
An HR that depends more on mobility would be much more fun and satisfying to play, and less frustrating to play against.
I agree with voltomey... the wild medicine game is one sort of thing. Melee needs it, to contest nodes... but the trapper and the archer should not need to take hits to do their jobs, WM mechanics should not be the only way of playing, but it needs to exist for combat. In paper and pen dnd 4e, the ranger has the longest range of all classes. If aspect of the falcon gave enough range for archer to hit first before incoming fire CC you to death, it would be fine, for both trapper and archer. No form of survival is better than not being hit.
Increase the range increase for aspect of the falcon, make it so that HR start shooting before the CW can shoot back CC. This way the root gets better, the archer can clear the node, forcing people to fight off node to kill the archer and trapper HR. What do you guys think?
FEEDBACK
with the new race coming out that will give 5% incoming heal bonus and the last boon from the tyranny of dragons expansion. Hr will be able to get back their "lost" incoming heal bonus while not really sacrificing effectiveness in pvp. Because the artifacts that give incoming heal bonus give about 4% at rank 99. And when you have at a legendary it gives 4.5%. Hrs were giving 20% life steal which that would have had to sacrifice a lot if they wanted to ever get that. Now hrs will be able to get 23% + incoming heal bonus and 20% life steal feet. The way pvp hunters build their character they would not lose anything to be soo strong and overpowered because of all the healing they get and the fact that their dots hit so hard. Hrs are to strong atm and with the coming 10% incoming heal, the neverwinter nation will still cry for hr nerf in pvp and they would be right to do so.
Split the sky needs an internal cooldown, currently it can proc multiple times from a single hit, resulting in massive damage on players. i watched as a max geared pvp cw with shield on tab decimated in less than 10 seconds when attacking inside split the sky.
and on a node in pvp it will make it impossible to stand on because on top of thorn ward (which is the size of a node) split the sky is even larger then a node
also some of the new bleeds are stacking when it shouldnt. 1 careful attack procs it twice, the bleed then procs careful attack twice, and in return procs the bleed four times, and it keep stacking until the target insta dies from bleeds.
Don't waste my time.
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gabrieldourdenMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,212Arc User
edited July 2014
Feedback Trapper
Playing more dungeons as a Trapper I can say that as long as you fight mob battles the Trapper is ok. It deals less damage but control is very good.
What I'm concerned about is the utility of the Trapper looking at the design of the last high GS dungeons. In the final fights at Malabog, Valindra's Tower and Lostmauth control is completely useless as all the enemies involved are control immune. The important things are buff, debuff, single target dps, healing and protection. The Trapper can't deliver any of these things and most of the good stuff in the games drops there.
Yesterday I ran Lostmauth with Archer first and Trapper afterwards with the same group. Trapper was very nice in mob controlling but overall damage was barely half that of the Archer. The two SW and the DC in the team loved roots with mobs but with the bosses the Trapper doesn't contribute in any meaningful way.
Looking at Malabog: basically the only important thing there is burning down Valindra as fast as possible when she comes down. An Archer will shine with an encounter + Aimed Shot sequence from far. A Trapper will just scratch her. 250% damage extra (it is halved against CC-immune targets) is around 2k and getting Aspect of the Sepents bonus for Aimed shot in such a fight is difficult as it would mean to use melee powers against Fulminorax, which would be a waste of time. An Archer will get 20% bonus, plus another 40% for Prey + 25% increased chance to crit....
At Valindra's Tower: burning down Valindra after the last evocation is the difficult part. The trapper would be almost useless compared to the most likely replacemente i.e. a CW.
Same at Lostmouth where burning down fast the dragon's HPs is paramount due to the amount of continuos damage it deals out.
Suggestion: add some extra effect on control immune targets on top of the extra damage. A debuff to defense, an increase in activation times or a reduction of damage (or possibly a combination) could be a viable solution.
Le-Shan: HR level 80 (main)
Born of Black Wind: SW Level 80
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futuunMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
FEEDBACK
with the new race coming out that will give 5% incoming heal bonus and the last boon from the tyranny of dragons expansion. Hr will be able to get back their "lost" incoming heal bonus while not really sacrificing effectiveness in pvp. Because the artifacts that give incoming heal bonus give about 4% at rank 99. And when you have at a legendary it gives 4.5%. Hrs were giving 20% life steal which that would have had to sacrifice a lot if they wanted to ever get that. Now hrs will be able to get 23% + incoming heal bonus and 20% life steal feet.
Incoming healing bonus does not affect regen.
400 incoming healing bonus points = 5% healing, not 4.5%.
Comments
Nice changes, I love how you're making predator and assailing force work different in pve and pvp, that will solve many issues.
HR Stormwarden Trapper / Stormwarden Combat
GWF Swordmaster Destroyer
CW Master of Flame Thaumaturge / Spellstorm Oppressor
TR Master Infiltrator Executioner
SW Soulbinder Fury
Thanks Chris! Will happily test the change! Great to see how present you are in the forum and all the effort put into adjusting the game!!
Born of Black Wind: SW Level 80
There are so many skills that could be kept/buffed in pve to make classes viable (tr skills are the first that comes to mind) but would be game breaking in pvp, am very happy to see that this is something that enters the game now....
The changes to Trapper is a good start as dps must be competative in pve for that path to compete with Archer path.
Meele is still the only valid choise in pvp though as you need some form of healing when you dont have any cc/anti cc to keep you alive.
I would like to see you separate Consticting Arrow from meele path and let Trapper/Archer keep it as it was. If not something simular that can help with cc and anti cc for those paths.
I could also think of continuing with life steal path for meele tune down wild medicine and make it a t2 feat or place it in trapper path as a cap with 5 stacks or simular to give them something.
I will check out changes as soon as they come live and come back.
Wilds medicine fits in melee. Trapper needs more control capabilities, not more survival with healing.
wilds medicine and the new lone wolf go hand in hand now pretty much guarenteed procs of medicine in pvp considering most HR's will have anywhere between 40-45% deflect cryptic pretty much gave you your set bonus baked into your class.
this changes nothing from the problems of before still think the amount should be lowered or it should have an ICD after it's initial 10 stacks at 40% deflect and this getting capped at 10 stacks every few seconds what player will ever be able to take down this beast
the only really troubleing thing with this skill is it procs off anything example= plague fire heals you guys dot's heal you guys SW curse DMG heals you it doesnt matter what damage gets deflected it could be for 2 dmg it will heal to the fullest and this is a bit ridiculous.
just laughing to myself how useless plaguefire will be against HR's or any class mechanic that has to deal damage over time.
Great news thanks Crush I love the direction in continuing to separate PVP and PVE effects definitely a smart way to balance. thanks for listening
Martin ConDion PVE only Ranger
Guild Founder: -HunterS-
and the problem isnt lone wolf it's in the mechanics of how wilds medicine works especially since it has no cooldown after 10 stacks with any dot it's right back up again in a matter or seconds theres no gap when the healing stops proccing
Hit a combat HR only with ur encounter and daily powers and only with at-wills when he is prone (prone = no deflect) and he doesnt heal that much.
HRs dont have forest meditation anymore (its a bad power now) so eventually, the HRcam be brought down by burst, but not by dots.
Trying to kill a combat deflect HR with DoTs and low dmg = Fail!
This new Predator is another nerf of 5% damage (20% vs 25%) in PvP for Archery (and Archery is already very week in PvP)... HR in global need more survival in all trees, both in PvE and PvP.. my suggestion:
put wild medicine as class feature: 4/5% x 10 stacks heal in PvE and 2/2.5% (halved) in PvP , replace the moved wild medicine in the combat tree with increase DR with same mechanism of Aspect of Lone Wolf (2% increase DR for each enemy in the radius with a max of 10%)
I would like to see Constricting Arrow reverted to its former glory. Not much reason to use it now because it no longer stands out. Its just a slightly improved hindering shot/strike and hindering does more damage. The roots since nerfed arent that effective at all. So we have 2 of the same power. And you will see everyone just move to Boar's now.
Combat
I dont see any real benefit to the lifesteal.
Id like to see a mix of old and new feats. Id also like to see the paragon feat switched between trapper and combat. Slasher's Speed seems better suited to combat and advanced Stalking seems more Trapper like.
T1
Seeker
Serpent Weave
T2
Fluid Hunter - its better than it was.. but still could be better. Id rather see Elusive hunter return
Slasher's Speed
T3
Piercing Blade - I like this feat now with the buff.
Scything Blades - move Wild Medicine to T4. Also increase the damage on this feat
T4
Wilds Medicine
Expert Skirmisher - Best feat imo. Specially for a combat spec, can help you out of tough spots
T5
Blade Hurricane
I can say that i felt pretty squishy last night and was melted multiple times by a cw.
I will probably stay Pathfinder but would like to see the nerfs to Stormwarden lifted. Everyone is only going pathfinder. Need a reason for people to use the other path in pvp and pve. Stormstep unnerfed and maybe a bonus to fox shift in that paragon. Everyone is playing the same cookie cutter build and feats arent the only to change this.
Next is trapper testing.
PVE
Trapper path - Fun soloing- Lacks aoe dam and single target dam - lacks group utilitys
Archer path - Solid dam both single target and aoe - lacks cc - could use some more survivability and something to lessen aggro
Meele path - Good survivability - lacks dam both in single target and aoe - lacks group utility
PVP
Archer - Good dam - no cc - extreamly low survivabilty - no anti cc - no group utility
Trapper path - The cc in this path becomes utterly useless in pvp - lacks survivability - no cc - no anti cc - low dam - no group utility
Meele path - Very good survivability - deacent dam but no burst - no cc - no anti cc - no group utility
As it is now Hrs has 2 options full meele build for pvp or full archer build for pve there is no middle ground no hybrid path to go.
Now here comes the bad part for the Hr class as a hole.
If you are to make groups for pve and compare why different classes should be taken into a group only tr falls short of hr.
Gf is a no brainer with their new group buffs, solid dps and HUGE aggro management.
Gwf is still solid aoe dps and can still tank even if its to some lesser extent then before.
Dc is a no brainer with healing and debuffing+shielding.
Cw well they are KING of pve I think they will rule even more then before if not for the warlock class but that is a big maby still.
Warlock with a more then great utility for both dam and group heals will as I see it take their place in pve and depending how it comes out when module 4 goes live also in pvp.
Tr well they can run to campfires and do deacent single target dam but wont add anything of real value to the group(yes there are some exelent players that are an exeption as they always will contribute even if they play a naked clown).
If you are to make room for a Hr you have one cw less or one warlock less whish isent an option really.
Now I am sure some stubborn Hr lovers will stay as archer in pve and do a deacent job of it but if you going to start a new char Hr wont be one of the top shoises and the class will slowly dwindle away into the forrest from where i came .......
In pvp I had a new experiance.
I played pvp games for well over 15 years in different games and when it comes to holding my ground I would like to see me more then deacent.
My Hr has 17kgs 38+khp 30 Dr and 45% Reflect and are fully meele build leaning toward survivability over pure dam but still around 5.5k power 32%arpen 1500+reg.
On test and played well over 100 duels as well a dussin pvp matches and meele Hr stand well up to most classes.
The only class i havent fought is perma hide/bile tr as i found non so far.
But when it come to Cws Hr is but a irritating fly buzzing around.
I fought some deacent 17-18k Cws with and without new shield spell and the only differance is how fast i die.
They melt me down in less then 30 sec and mostly am lucky if i can land a single meele attack. The cc in pvp from Cws right now is to the extent that you can leave the keyboard and come back when its over it makes no difference what so ever.
The push takes you back to your birthplace on another continent like 100 miles away and while running back trying to get near the pesky little Cw you are locked down frozen to the ground so hard that even if the sun came down and visited you still stay frozen.
In between this they nuke the living <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> out of you with such and ease that I can swear I saw them yawn at me..
There is no way you can compeate in pvp with a meele Hr against this monster that they have created and together with a gf+dc they will devaste anything but another Cw with a gf+dc.
I must say am humbled by the experiance and if this goes live the need to play Hr in both pve and pvp is 0 , zip, nada compared to what a Cw can add and I very much daubt that we can compeate with a Warlock fully pvp geared with boons either.....
Hello Dev's, we are doing our best to communicate with both opinion and true testing that this rework is more than likley going to make the encounter redundant for most specs. Please keep in mind that good feedback can only work when both parties address each other. Is your decision on this change final? Are you willing to rework other encounters to give back some control utility? Are you open to ideas for a rework?
Feedback: Marauders
If the above change is final and if you are willing to rework another encounter I would like to suggest this one. This change would make this skill utility only.
Rank 1:
Range: You break free from control effects and dash backwards 50 feet, escaping your enemies.
Melee: Rush your target (no damage), slowing them by 10% for 1 seconds.
Rank 2:
Range: + Action Point Bonus + 50%
Melee: + 1 Sec
Rank 3:
Range: + Action Point Bonus + 50%
Melee: + 1 Sec
Feedback: Constricting Arrow
If you are willing to rework the change to Constricting Arrow.
Range: Fire and arrow at your target causing vines to constrict around them for 3 seconds.
Rank 2:
Range: + 1 Sec stun
Rank 3:
Range + 1 Sec stun
Suggestion : if possible A visual que on the recticle to indicate when you are at the max bonus damage distance
( I think I have a good feel for it but it would be nice for some confirmation, I started originally by backing up until i get target out of range and move forward a few steps at a time until i am in range,this becomes a lot more difficult to set up when dodging AOE's or having picked up agro)
Martin ConDion PVE only Ranger
Guild Founder: -HunterS-
I like these ideas and think they're important if HR is ever going to move away from passive survival through self-healing.
The only suggestion would be to make Maurader's rush break CC too because you can't control what stance you'll be in when you get CC'ed. I would even get rid of the slow and just make it movement/CC-escape.
One of the new boons last feat gives 10% incoming heal bonus. For hrs this would make them even more unkillable in pvp.
Thorn Ward, Thorn Strike, Boar Charge, Rain of Swords, Seismic Shot animations can be cancelled early via Shift to enable the player to use other powers earlier as opposed to waiting for the powers to end normally
Suggestion: replace Binding Arrow with the area power used by Green Dragonfangs, applying strong roots and disable. This will give all HRs a way to get a chance against ranged opponents that have CC available, and enforce the role of the trapper tree as controller by adding a disabling effect that can effectively shut down ranged enemies in PvE.
Born of Black Wind: SW Level 80
Love that idea
Martin ConDion PVE only Ranger
Guild Founder: -HunterS-
This ability really needs to be scaled down just a bit because of how effective it is, because it's activated on deflected hits, and HRs can easily get 20%+ deflection, it's not very hard to get enough stacks of medicine to actually heal to almost full hp, or even full hp, without doing anything but shifting to avoid damage and putting objects in between the opponents. HRs can effectivly take on multiple people (in PvP) and beat them all and then gain full hp withing 5-10 seconds, using only their passive healing abilities. HRs take the cleric out of devoted cleric, and just strap it on themselves with so many healing abilities. Wild medicine should be put into the nature tree (because it seems more at home there) aswell as being able to give them a more combat oriented feat for the melee/combat tree.
CRAZY MIKE - 14.6k PvE CW
Backbone - 16.7k PvP HR
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While the feat is nowhere near as powerful as some make it out to be, it's skill-less, boring and causes no end to complaints.
I'd much rather HR's depend more on skill or timing for defense. I suggest replacing one of the lifesteal feats in the combat tree with a feat that would give Marauder's CC-break and immunity during duration (for both stances, since you can't control which stance you'll be in when you get CC'ed). Then you could cut wild's medicine effectiveness in half.
I still think melee-oriented HR's need some self-healing, and from what I understand it goes along with D&D lore that rangers can heal well. But it shouldn't be the crux of our defense.
While the ability is nowhere near as powerful as some make it out to be, it's skill-less, boring and causes no end to complaints.
I'd much rather HR's depend more on skill or timing for defense. I suggest replacing one of the lifesteal feats in the combat tree with a feat that would give Marauder's CC-break and immunity during duration (for both stances, since you can't control which stance you'll be in when you get CC'ed). Then you could cut wild's medicine effectiveness in half.
I still think melee-oriented HR's need some self-healing, and from what I understand it goes along with D&D lore that rangers can heal well. But it shouldn't be the crux of our defense.
An HR that depends more on mobility would be much more fun and satisfying to play, and less frustrating to play against.
Combat all ok.
Archery all ok.
Trapper could use some love.
Increase the range increase for aspect of the falcon, make it so that HR start shooting before the CW can shoot back CC. This way the root gets better, the archer can clear the node, forcing people to fight off node to kill the archer and trapper HR. What do you guys think?
with the new race coming out that will give 5% incoming heal bonus and the last boon from the tyranny of dragons expansion. Hr will be able to get back their "lost" incoming heal bonus while not really sacrificing effectiveness in pvp. Because the artifacts that give incoming heal bonus give about 4% at rank 99. And when you have at a legendary it gives 4.5%. Hrs were giving 20% life steal which that would have had to sacrifice a lot if they wanted to ever get that. Now hrs will be able to get 23% + incoming heal bonus and 20% life steal feet. The way pvp hunters build their character they would not lose anything to be soo strong and overpowered because of all the healing they get and the fact that their dots hit so hard. Hrs are to strong atm and with the coming 10% incoming heal, the neverwinter nation will still cry for hr nerf in pvp and they would be right to do so.
and on a node in pvp it will make it impossible to stand on because on top of thorn ward (which is the size of a node) split the sky is even larger then a node
also some of the new bleeds are stacking when it shouldnt. 1 careful attack procs it twice, the bleed then procs careful attack twice, and in return procs the bleed four times, and it keep stacking until the target insta dies from bleeds.
Playing more dungeons as a Trapper I can say that as long as you fight mob battles the Trapper is ok. It deals less damage but control is very good.
What I'm concerned about is the utility of the Trapper looking at the design of the last high GS dungeons. In the final fights at Malabog, Valindra's Tower and Lostmauth control is completely useless as all the enemies involved are control immune. The important things are buff, debuff, single target dps, healing and protection. The Trapper can't deliver any of these things and most of the good stuff in the games drops there.
Yesterday I ran Lostmauth with Archer first and Trapper afterwards with the same group. Trapper was very nice in mob controlling but overall damage was barely half that of the Archer. The two SW and the DC in the team loved roots with mobs but with the bosses the Trapper doesn't contribute in any meaningful way.
Looking at Malabog: basically the only important thing there is burning down Valindra as fast as possible when she comes down. An Archer will shine with an encounter + Aimed Shot sequence from far. A Trapper will just scratch her. 250% damage extra (it is halved against CC-immune targets) is around 2k and getting Aspect of the Sepents bonus for Aimed shot in such a fight is difficult as it would mean to use melee powers against Fulminorax, which would be a waste of time. An Archer will get 20% bonus, plus another 40% for Prey + 25% increased chance to crit....
At Valindra's Tower: burning down Valindra after the last evocation is the difficult part. The trapper would be almost useless compared to the most likely replacemente i.e. a CW.
Same at Lostmouth where burning down fast the dragon's HPs is paramount due to the amount of continuos damage it deals out.
Suggestion: add some extra effect on control immune targets on top of the extra damage. A debuff to defense, an increase in activation times or a reduction of damage (or possibly a combination) could be a viable solution.
Born of Black Wind: SW Level 80
400 incoming healing bonus points = 5% healing, not 4.5%.
dude.. only you still crying "oh no they will be OP!!!1 ;<".
I think that you have a well-chosen @handle.