There is no way you can possibly make changes for PVP balance and have PVE unaffected by them. SO please dear pvp maniacs either find another game to play or ask developers for a way to make PVP changes without interfering with PVE. Its the main reason this game was initially destroyed, stop mixing pvp with pve changes. Isnt there a friggin FLAG somewhere in your code to use for PVP ONLY CHANGES? Cant you just apply the pvp changes when a person is playing pvp? Why we PVE players have to endure all these annoying changes, for more than 2 years now, that totally break the game balance of ALL CLASSES in PVE because a pvp kid gets destroyed from another kid because his dudu did double damage? Reason and logic rest in peace one more time.
this a needed PvE change as well. Stormspell has been doing way too much damage for way too long. Deep Gash got nerfed after one mod and SS has stayed around for 2.5 mods now
Guild - The Imaginary Friends We are searching for slave labor, will pay with food from our farm!
THat's not a CW problem. That's a SW problem. So please stay on topic?
you can complain abou the lack of SW changes all you wish, but don't go blaming it on CWs.
it isn't about blaming it on CWs, i agree that SWs need their own damage buffs, but CWs needed to be brought in line as well
Guild - The Imaginary Friends We are searching for slave labor, will pay with food from our farm!
this a needed PvE change as well. Stormspell has been doing way too much damage for way too long. Deep Gash got nerfed after one mod and SS has stayed around for 2.5 mods now
Deep gash was a calculation error because of its fix GWFs QQd the moon.
Thay got pretty much buff compensations after it.
Storm spell was in compensation of shard dmg nerf and making the once ranged CW to a "melee" wizard.
I see no compensation.
thefabricantMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 5,248Arc User
edited June 2015
Oh btw teribad...just wait for the still to come SW changes that we can expect
Fabled set nerf
Damnation tree nerf
A few other nerfs just because
To those CW's complaining, stop, I main CW, SS ren and quite honestly, we can find a way to work around this, its a bit sad that teribad likes to pour salt onto wounded classes but hey, lets show we have more class
LoL go nerf the cw o.O
try make a pvp, cw vs tr its IMPOSSIBLE A CW win with same power and critical.
Its impossible stun a TR with cw, dont work DONT WORK the stuns, when work its for 1s
Chalange to Devs: Make a cw and tr with same power and critial and go pvp and make a video i want to see.
i go stop to put my money on this ****
I love cw, i play with cw, i have put much money every month to make a good cw, but its impossible.
LoL go nerf the cw o.O
try make a pvp, cw vs tr its IMPOSSIBLE A CW win with same power and critical.
Its impossible stun a TR with cw, dont work DONT WORK the stuns, when work its for 1s
Chalange to Devs: Make a cw and tr with same power and critial and go pvp and make a video i want to see.
i go stop to put my money on this ****
I love cw, i play with cw, i have put much money every month to make a good cw, but its impossible.
I have seen nothing that warrants a 30% dmg output nerf. If anything, things will only get harder in dungeons. You do remember that while you're still under repair, it is up to the CW to take care of a huge chunk of the DPS since our control already got nerfed into non-existence by both the PvP crowd and rework 6 right?
The mentality in this game of stacking CW because they have the best damage and excellent control is what warrants a nerf to CW damage. Control is a bit screwed up this mod for sure, but a CW still does an excellent job of that in any dungeon they are a part of. And if things take another 5 minutes to complete because the CW isn't a DPS god quite as much anymore (remember you still have lots of other damage) then I'm totally fine with that.
Basically, you CWs need to go test this stuff and see how it plays out. then come back and complain once you have some act results.
and this is a quote from a successful CW who has one of the better DPS CW guides. Link
And let's keep this in perspective. A class feature doing 40%+ of your damage...we knew that was going to get tweaked. I'm going to see how bad the change actually is before abandoning Stormspell all together.
Even if it's a 50% cut to the damage of Spellstorm, having a class feature buff your damage by 20% is nothing to sneeze at
Guild - The Imaginary Friends We are searching for slave labor, will pay with food from our farm!
The mentality in this game of stacking CW because they have the best damage and excellent control is what warrants a nerf to CW damage. Control is a bit screwed up this mod for sure, but a CW still does an excellent job of that in any dungeon they are a part of. And if things take another 5 minutes to complete because the CW isn't a DPS god quite as much anymore (remember you still have lots of other damage) then I'm totally fine with that.
Basically, you CWs need to go test this stuff and see how it plays out. then come back and complain once you have some act results.
What surprises me is that this nerf came before the devotion pally nerf and not that it came. The devotion pally is actually mechanically broken in so many ways that it is actually bad for server stability. With the more proactive approach the dev team has had this mod though, I am not surprised this change occured.
Piercing dmg has to go, atm TR is melting bis geared classes by throwing cloud of steel for 10k shadow oppurtunity procs please do some balance changes on that.
The mentality in this game of stacking CW because they have the best damage and excellent control is what warrants a nerf to CW damage. Control is a bit screwed up this mod for sure, but a CW still does an excellent job of that in any dungeon they are a part of. And if things take another 5 minutes to complete because the CW isn't a DPS god quite as much anymore (remember you still have lots of other damage) then I'm totally fine with that.
Basically, you CWs need to go test this stuff and see how it plays out. then come back and complain once you have some act results.
What surprises me is that this nerf came before the devotion pally nerf and not that it came. The devotion pally is actually mechanically broken in so many ways that it is actually bad for server stability. With the more proactive approach the dev team has had this mod though, I am not surprised this change occured.
The ability for Devotion Paladin to gain AP during their damage intercept daily will get fixed eventuall to bring it in line with Hallowed Ground, Supremacy of Steel and other dailies in the game. but yeah, it is taking a while
Guild - The Imaginary Friends We are searching for slave labor, will pay with food from our farm!
its impossible to kill bis TR on any class thou not just CW rofl.
you is a tr?
This is the great balance by cryptic
you is a tr?
Cw have a bad defense, die easy, now skills and stuns dont work. and now reduce the demage? wtf wtf.
How about TRS? i want to see a nerf on TRs too, all here know the tr is the best class of game, kill all anothers easy, invisible bambys.
and why never nerf this class?
Cw have a bad defense, die easy, now skills and stuns dont work. and now reduce the demage? wtf wtf.
How about TRS? i want to see a nerf on TRs too, all here know the tr is the best class of game, kill all anothers easy, invisible bambys.
and why never nerf this class?
U don't know why? Cuz rich kids wouldn't donate this game anymore
Now CWs get tripple nerfed in the damage AND have no decent way to control anything in T2 dungeons. Good luck getting through these dungeons without us.
I do T2s daily, our control is fine. Maybe it's your build, maybe it's the fact you ignore control powers because "they don't do enough damage", who knows, but that's your issue, not a class issue.
---
As for IWD, make the minor heroics give less RP and the major/larger heroics reward more, that's the main issue here. Seriously guys, getting 2k RP for minors is and was ridiculous, and needed to be altered.
Should there be more RP in the game? Yes. That however doesn't mean that a minor heroic that can be done in about 30 seconds should be THAT rewarding. If anything there needs to be buffs to RP sources in dungeons, and other aspects of the game. Add RP to the daily dungeon chests and more from bosses.
0
thefabricantMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 5,248Arc User
The ability for Devotion Paladin to gain AP during their damage intercept daily will get fixed eventuall to bring it in line with Hallowed Ground, Supremacy of Steel and other dailies in the game. but yeah, it is taking a while
I was referring more to that link to a large list of devotion issues I linked on page 1...its huge and overwhelming and I am sure there are a few I have not picked up on yet.
Comments
Your welcome:
Fighter is a martial defender class in 4th edition Dungeons & Dragons
http://dnd4.wikia.com/wiki/Fighter
this a needed PvE change as well. Stormspell has been doing way too much damage for way too long. Deep Gash got nerfed after one mod and SS has stayed around for 2.5 mods now
We are searching for slave labor, will pay with food from our farm!
This is neverwinter, not one of your pen and paper games. just because they come from the same place doesn't mean they are the same
We are searching for slave labor, will pay with food from our farm!
it isn't about blaming it on CWs, i agree that SWs need their own damage buffs, but CWs needed to be brought in line as well
We are searching for slave labor, will pay with food from our farm!
Deep gash was a calculation error because of its fix GWFs QQd the moon.
Thay got pretty much buff compensations after it.
Storm spell was in compensation of shard dmg nerf and making the once ranged CW to a "melee" wizard.
I see no compensation.
Fabled set nerf
Damnation tree nerf
A few other nerfs just because
To those CW's complaining, stop, I main CW, SS ren and quite honestly, we can find a way to work around this, its a bit sad that teribad likes to pour salt onto wounded classes but hey, lets show we have more class
try make a pvp, cw vs tr its IMPOSSIBLE A CW win with same power and critical.
Its impossible stun a TR with cw, dont work DONT WORK the stuns, when work its for 1s
Chalange to Devs: Make a cw and tr with same power and critial and go pvp and make a video i want to see.
i go stop to put my money on this ****
I love cw, i play with cw, i have put much money every month to make a good cw, but its impossible.
This is the great balance by cryptic:)
Another kick in the nuts for legit players. Guess the lesson here is exploit & bot foundries...profit...while everyone else falls even further behind
The mentality in this game of stacking CW because they have the best damage and excellent control is what warrants a nerf to CW damage. Control is a bit screwed up this mod for sure, but a CW still does an excellent job of that in any dungeon they are a part of. And if things take another 5 minutes to complete because the CW isn't a DPS god quite as much anymore (remember you still have lots of other damage) then I'm totally fine with that.
Basically, you CWs need to go test this stuff and see how it plays out. then come back and complain once you have some act results.
and this is a quote from a successful CW who has one of the better DPS CW guides. Link
We are searching for slave labor, will pay with food from our farm!
What surprises me is that this nerf came before the devotion pally nerf and not that it came. The devotion pally is actually mechanically broken in so many ways that it is actually bad for server stability. With the more proactive approach the dev team has had this mod though, I am not surprised this change occured.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqZLIvkp8SU
You was saying something about TR's ?
CW Best dmg? ACT results?
Riiight!
Tiamat ACTs:
80mill GWFS;
50mill: SWs, CWS, HRs.
VT ACTs
57mill GWFs
32mill CW
The ability for Devotion Paladin to gain AP during their damage intercept daily will get fixed eventuall to bring it in line with Hallowed Ground, Supremacy of Steel and other dailies in the game. but yeah, it is taking a while
We are searching for slave labor, will pay with food from our farm!
Cw have a bad defense, die easy, now skills and stuns dont work. and now reduce the demage? wtf wtf.
How about TRS? i want to see a nerf on TRs too, all here know the tr is the best class of game, kill all anothers easy, invisible bambys.
and why never nerf this class?
U don't know why? Cuz rich kids wouldn't donate this game anymore
You're both aware that MoF's can't use storm spell I hope? So that seems fair, let's compensate 1/2 the class.
Anyway, it's a control power, it's useful, if you don't like it then don't use it.
I do T2s daily, our control is fine. Maybe it's your build, maybe it's the fact you ignore control powers because "they don't do enough damage", who knows, but that's your issue, not a class issue.
---
As for IWD, make the minor heroics give less RP and the major/larger heroics reward more, that's the main issue here. Seriously guys, getting 2k RP for minors is and was ridiculous, and needed to be altered.
Should there be more RP in the game? Yes. That however doesn't mean that a minor heroic that can be done in about 30 seconds should be THAT rewarding. If anything there needs to be buffs to RP sources in dungeons, and other aspects of the game. Add RP to the daily dungeon chests and more from bosses.
I was referring more to that link to a large list of devotion issues I linked on page 1...its huge and overwhelming and I am sure there are a few I have not picked up on yet.