I've been able to commit feat points once I reached lvl 70 on my CW on the 24th and I didn't use the free respec. I'm not able to commit more power points on my DC on which I used the free respec before the 23rd though.
Weird. My DC ended up bugged but it resolved when I hit 70 on him and I used up the points that had sat since the 23rd.
Did your DC have many overflow power points or a lot of R4s? I wonder if that's the deciding factor, maybe. You didn't have 70 points put in non-R3 powers because of R4 spends on the DC but had that on the CW?
I know in my case Eltain had more than 70 points in powers and hadn't respecced before I ran out of things I could take I cared about and threw a fourth dot in Foresight out of apathy, with the result I guess that when he hit 70 and it ran its checks for valid prerequisites it came up as a pass since I had both 70 points spent and level 70.
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For the Feats and Power Points bug, our developers have stated that only players who have not used their free Respec have this issue. The issue can be resolved by using the free Respec.
Hope this helps!
This is not true. A couple of my alts used the free respec (they were using feats from trees other than their main one and I wanted them to focus on one tree at level 70) and cannot commit new feats and powers.
Annoyed to have had to use my free respec to fix this on one of my characters.
Just something to consider for anyone who still regards this as an exploit: during the respec of skills, Rank IV paragon encounters still say level 65 with 65 points spent.
For the Feats and Power Points bug, our developers have stated that only players who have not used their free Respec have this issue. The issue can be resolved by using the free Respec.
Hope this helps!
Hello,
Unfortunately that's wrong, I did use the free respec shortly after Mod6 release, have none available, and do have the bug.
. . .
Though, speaking as a software engineer, I do wonder how the free respec and the paid one can behave differently in software land...
The free respec includes a reset on Power points. The AD respec resets feats and boons, but not Powers. More detail below:
From the behavior, it is clear that Power point spend is validated by the software / scripts that commit feat and boon changes. The bug is that the ruleset / logic for this validation on Power points was changed in Thursday's patch, but existing character data was not changed to fit the newly enforced rules.
Specifically, before Thursday's patch it was possible to move some Powers to rank 4 before reaching level 70 + spending 70 Power points. Thursday's patch changed the check to include this criteria. So now, when the game sees that a character has a rank 4 Power, but does not meet the newly enforced criteria of level 70 + over 70 Power points spent, it rejects any feat/boon change when the player tries to commit.
Anything that resets Powers will fix this since the current software / scripts will be in effect, and the spend will be valid under the current ruleset. Anything that doesn't reset Powers will not fix it.
It is also possible to workaround it by reaching level 70 and having more than 70 Power points spent since this also creates a valid configuration for the Power point check.
For the Feats and Power Points bug, our developers have stated that only players who have not used their free Respec have this issue. The issue can be resolved by using the free Respec.
Hope this helps!
Sorry, strumslinger, this is not true - it may resolve *some*, but not all, of the problems. This post in the bug reports section pretty much sums up the problem and solution.
In short: I had the bug, I never used the respec, after I hit level 70 and SPENT 71 points, I could save again.
The key seems to be hit level 70 AND spend 71 points - because the criteria for a fourth power level is being level 70 AND having spent 70 points.
The double-check would be if you had already spent 70 points - presumably, the program checks to see if you have spent 70 points first. Regardless if you're respeccing or leveling up, if you spent points in a 4th tier power and do not have at least 71 points to spend, the programming will not allow you to save changes because you do not meet the criteria.
I've been able to commit feat points once I reached lvl 70 on my CW on the 24th and I didn't use the free respec. I'm not able to commit more power points on my DC on which I used the free respec before the 23rd though.
I am level 70, already used the free respec before last week's patch, and have 73 earned power points. When I earned my 74 I could not spend it, so it is not just an arbitrary number. The game is seeing that I have my at wills and my class feature passives at rank 4 whereas under the new rules I could only get my at-wills to rank 4, so it is not letting me add a power point. Personally, forgetting the bug, I think lvl 70 and 70 points is rather annoying and sad for new characters made since we get to up our at wills and nothing else basically, not even 1 set of encounters or passive features. I liked the lvl 65 and 65 points for paragon features/skills, it made sense to me actually, and made the paragon path skills/feats more valuable since they could be ranked up earlier. I think it was a mistake to change it. Now I will have to earn a couple million xp for a chance to regain what I lost due to this bugfix or design decision change.
Love yourself, and focus on the rest of the madness of life later.
I am level 70, already used the free respec before last week's patch, and have 73 earned power points. When I earned my 74 I could not spend it, so it is not just an arbitrary number. The game is seeing that I have my at wills and my class feature passives at rank 4 whereas under the new rules I could only get my at-wills to rank 4, so it is not letting me add a power point. Personally, forgetting the bug, I think lvl 70 and 70 points is rather annoying and sad for new characters made since we get to up our at wills and nothing else basically, not even 1 set of encounters or passive features. I liked the lvl 65 and 65 points for paragon features/skills, it made sense to me actually, and made the paragon path skills/feats more valuable since they could be ranked up earlier. I think it was a mistake to change it.
I had 5, 2 at wills, the 2 equipped passive features, and 1 encounter, 3 of those were only possible under the old rules, so I will be losing out (before I spend my 74 power point) on my encounter and 1 passive feature which will be going back to rank 3. Just annoying to me personally.
Love yourself, and focus on the rest of the madness of life later.
I had 5, 2 at wills, the 2 equipped passive features, and 1 encounter, 3 of those were only possible under the old rules, so I will be losing out (before I spend my 74 power point) on my encounter and 1 passive feature which will be going back to rank 3. Just annoying to me personally.
Yeah, I can certainly understand that.
Just trying to figure out the exact game behavior because I have a bugged character, and I'm planning to un-bug her at level 70 without a respec. So, it looks like game logic is checking to make sure you have 70 Power points + 1 additional Power point for each rank 4. In your case, this would have been 75, and therefore, it wouldn't let you commit with 74.
Since I already spent my free respec before the patch when I hit 70, I will have to pay for the fix unless they force a respec on us. So I guess for now I will just earn power points and stay in stasis until I hit the necessary points to keep what I have and not lose anything. Not going to pay for a respec though. Right now it's pay to go down in power for me lol...sorry.
Love yourself, and focus on the rest of the madness of life later.
Since I already spent my free respec before the patch when I hit 70, I will have to pay for the fix unless they force a respec on us. So I guess for now I will just earn power points and stay in stasis until I hit the necessary points to keep what I have and not lose anything. Still not sure I will pay for a respec though. Right now it's pay to go down in power for me lol...hard to do.
When you hit level 70 and have enough Power points to keep the rank 4s you have with the current criteria, just spend them all. At that point, it will let you commit. You won't need a respec.
Respec is an instant gratification fix. Also, a fresh level 70 character (one who never experienced the bonus experience bar flip when 60 was max level) will only have 70 power points, and would have to wait for the bonus experience bar to flip and get a power point gift (or 2, or 3, or x) before being able to meet the criteria depending on the number of rank 4s they have. That could take a really long time.
And then there are the unfortunate characters who spent AD to respec feats and boons and are now basically unplayable. Waiting for level 70 + extra power points isn't practical for many of them, either.
When you hit level 70 and have enough Power points to keep the rank 4s you have with the current criteria, just spend them all. At that point, it will let you commit. You won't need a respec..
This has not been true for many people. Perhaps you got lucky. Grats!
That's fair enough Jiinks. I just stay where I am for a couple million xp earned (assuming I get power points). Then I just want to state that I think this is a horrible design decision for any new character. They hit level 70, get rank 4 on an at-will, and then see they have 4.2million xp gain ahead of them to earn enough power points to rank 4 1 set of skills, assuming they get a power point each time? I think, for new players, the design decision should be to allow new players to rank 4 1 set of skills at cap, and earn the rest. Right now, it feels like we're leveling to 90 just to earn our first set of skills at rank 4 which is balanced for the current content.
Love yourself, and focus on the rest of the madness of life later.
For the Feats and Power Points bug, our developers have stated that only players who have not used their free Respec have this issue. The issue can be resolved by using the free Respec.
Hope this helps!
Or you hit level 70 and do it then - seemed to fix the issue on one of my characters.
That being said, it's pretty poor form to force people to use a free respec on account of a problem cause by the programmers. Everyone should have another free respec made available to them at level 70.
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Indeed. My first character I was taking through to lvl 70 couldn't get power or feat points spent. But once I hit level 70 I could then spend all the accumulated power and feat points. Not a solution to the bug introduced with the last patch, but a not-too-bad workaround, if you can make it to lvl 70.
For the Feats and Power Points bug, our developers have stated that only players who have not used their free Respec have this issue. The issue can be resolved by using the free Respec.
Hope this helps!
Definitely did use respec, RANK 4 WEAPON MASTER STILL DOES NOT PROC!!!!!!!##!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Good thING I can now properly spec a power that DOES NOT WORK AT ALL.
Hey everyone,
We've been looking more into this issue. I'll update you guys ASAP.
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I know for a fact that the 'free respec' is not the only issue. I've had to use some of them right after the drop of Mod 6 as a number of my feats got shuffled around to accommodate the 'fixes' they employed on some classes that left me with a disaster of re-allocation. So with all my nine characters affected, no single respec seems to be the sole cause of this issue, as a few of them did not get respec'd.
I am certainly not going to pay for a respec to fix a mistake by the company, that just doesn't sit right, that isn't how business should be done.
damnaciousMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 354Arc User
edited April 2015
I have since double checked to ensure I don't experience this bug with more than just the couple of characters i'd checked on from memory previously.
Out of the 36 characters i have spread over a few accounts, not a single one has this bug.
I don't know exactly what the cause is yet I haven't used a respec for any of them, only one is at 70 and 3 new pallies on the same account. I didn't try and take advantage of the opportunity to purchase a 4th level power before level 70 with 70 points spent either.
I hope it does get resolved very quickly, even to the point of handing out more free respecs to players to do so.
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Weird. My DC ended up bugged but it resolved when I hit 70 on him and I used up the points that had sat since the 23rd.
Did your DC have many overflow power points or a lot of R4s? I wonder if that's the deciding factor, maybe. You didn't have 70 points put in non-R3 powers because of R4 spends on the DC but had that on the CW?
I know in my case Eltain had more than 70 points in powers and hadn't respecced before I ran out of things I could take I cared about and threw a fourth dot in Foresight out of apathy, with the result I guess that when he hit 70 and it ran its checks for valid prerequisites it came up as a pass since I had both 70 points spent and level 70.
This is not true. A couple of my alts used the free respec (they were using feats from trees other than their main one and I wanted them to focus on one tree at level 70) and cannot commit new feats and powers.
Just something to consider for anyone who still regards this as an exploit: during the respec of skills, Rank IV paragon encounters still say level 65 with 65 points spent.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/12050679/screenshot_2015-04-28-11-48.jpg
Hello,
Unfortunately that's wrong, I did use the free respec shortly after Mod6 release, have none available, and do have the bug.
The free respec includes a reset on Power points. The AD respec resets feats and boons, but not Powers. More detail below:
From the behavior, it is clear that Power point spend is validated by the software / scripts that commit feat and boon changes. The bug is that the ruleset / logic for this validation on Power points was changed in Thursday's patch, but existing character data was not changed to fit the newly enforced rules.
Specifically, before Thursday's patch it was possible to move some Powers to rank 4 before reaching level 70 + spending 70 Power points. Thursday's patch changed the check to include this criteria. So now, when the game sees that a character has a rank 4 Power, but does not meet the newly enforced criteria of level 70 + over 70 Power points spent, it rejects any feat/boon change when the player tries to commit.
Anything that resets Powers will fix this since the current software / scripts will be in effect, and the spend will be valid under the current ruleset. Anything that doesn't reset Powers will not fix it.
It is also possible to workaround it by reaching level 70 and having more than 70 Power points spent since this also creates a valid configuration for the Power point check.
Sorry, strumslinger, this is not true - it may resolve *some*, but not all, of the problems. This post in the bug reports section pretty much sums up the problem and solution.
In short: I had the bug, I never used the respec, after I hit level 70 and SPENT 71 points, I could save again.
The key seems to be hit level 70 AND spend 71 points - because the criteria for a fourth power level is being level 70 AND having spent 70 points.
The double-check would be if you had already spent 70 points - presumably, the program checks to see if you have spent 70 points first. Regardless if you're respeccing or leveling up, if you spent points in a 4th tier power and do not have at least 71 points to spend, the programming will not allow you to save changes because you do not meet the criteria.
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Based on a screenshot of your DC Powers that you posted, there are too many rank 4s according to the current game logic. See this post later in the thread: http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?911971-Feat-and-Power-Points-Bug-Fix&p=10764341&viewfull=1#post10764341
Also, you are correct that having done a previous respec or not has nothing to do with the current bug.
How many rank 4s do you currently have?
Yeah, I can certainly understand that.
Just trying to figure out the exact game behavior because I have a bugged character, and I'm planning to un-bug her at level 70 without a respec. So, it looks like game logic is checking to make sure you have 70 Power points + 1 additional Power point for each rank 4. In your case, this would have been 75, and therefore, it wouldn't let you commit with 74.
When you hit level 70 and have enough Power points to keep the rank 4s you have with the current criteria, just spend them all. At that point, it will let you commit. You won't need a respec.
Respec is an instant gratification fix. Also, a fresh level 70 character (one who never experienced the bonus experience bar flip when 60 was max level) will only have 70 power points, and would have to wait for the bonus experience bar to flip and get a power point gift (or 2, or 3, or x) before being able to meet the criteria depending on the number of rank 4s they have. That could take a really long time.
And then there are the unfortunate characters who spent AD to respec feats and boons and are now basically unplayable. Waiting for level 70 + extra power points isn't practical for many of them, either.
Have 1 unused and it can not currently be used. Hoping they fix this bug soon.
This has not been true for many people. Perhaps you got lucky. Grats!
Or you hit level 70 and do it then - seemed to fix the issue on one of my characters.
That being said, it's pretty poor form to force people to use a free respec on account of a problem cause by the programmers. Everyone should have another free respec made available to them at level 70.
Definitely did use respec, RANK 4 WEAPON MASTER STILL DOES NOT PROC!!!!!!!##!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Good thING I can now properly spec a power that DOES NOT WORK AT ALL.
We've been looking more into this issue. I'll update you guys ASAP.
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P.S. All the needed information about said bug, can be found here:
A detailed Youtube video of the bug / 3:52 min. (credits to the uploader.)
A thread with detailed explanations / 190+ replies. (which sadly is closed.)
Good to hear, thank you
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I am certainly not going to pay for a respec to fix a mistake by the company, that just doesn't sit right, that isn't how business should be done.
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Out of the 36 characters i have spread over a few accounts, not a single one has this bug.
I don't know exactly what the cause is yet I haven't used a respec for any of them, only one is at 70 and 3 new pallies on the same account. I didn't try and take advantage of the opportunity to purchase a 4th level power before level 70 with 70 points spent either.
I hope it does get resolved very quickly, even to the point of handing out more free respecs to players to do so.
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/forumdisplay.php?687-Dev-Tracker
And specifically from official mouth of the company and Devs:
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=10756431&viewfull=1#post10756431
Which is why comments like these: Say a lot about the immaturity and ridiculousness of people's ideas. It's so easy to hate for hate's sakes, ain't it, herpnderp2? //JUST ASKING.
If you changed it so that you could get rank 4 at level 60 then that might solve the problem......