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methecsgod
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...with common sense. An epic mark is still an epic, it requires a Greed roll. 3 Marks of Potency in 1 day, that's 300k of my AD that some thiefs got.
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No, you gave it away, everybody can need on it so just hit need... I never liked "all greed" PUG runs for this reason, someone was always tempted to steal when something good finally dropped.
First of all: Common sense does not apply. The need/gred rules have evolved over time as a common understanding in the community that this is how we do it. Getting the whole community to agree to new rules is sort of hard, so the rules stay even if they make little sense.
So this is the rules as I perceive them:
* All marks and enchants -> need
* All purple gear -> greed (even if you actually need it.. currently nobody really need stuff since it is so cheap on AH)
* All blue stuff -> need
Not very consistent.. but this is how it seems to work.
We will probably see adjustments to the purple rule in mod 6 when people will actually need purple drops again, probably will accept need on purples you actually need then?
Needing on all is not a good rule, since people should be able to need on stuff they will wear, and get it over people that will salvage or sell.
When in doubt: Discuss loot rules up front, or delay your roll to see how people roll.
That is a trick.
It's either you run Greed runs and Need in the end ignoring everyone or keep your word and roll the loot the way the party agreed.
After all, you're only guilty before yourself for being low and two faced.
WTB Class Reroll please
Then again I always Greed on everything else, including blue equipment items (tho I don't expect others to do the same)
90% of the loot isn't worth more than anything I can by off the Drake seal merch in PE for salvage anyway
that is, sadly, how it works in this game, and personally, I have never liked it. it was a huge culture shock for me when I started playing neverwinter and found people rolling need on everything, as I had gotten used to how it worked in another game where even when it did previously work like it does here (it works a little differently now), the prevailing wisdom was that need meant need and anything else was greed or pass. pretty much any time someone rolled need on something that was not an obvious need, they generally got kicked and blacklisted.
after coming here, well, I've gotten used to how it is here, and I don't bother calling people out on rolling need when they don't need something, since that's just how it works here. That being said, what I would love to see happen is that rolling need on anything will bind that item to character (along with a requisite warning/confirmation). period. full stop.
maybe then, need really will mean need and greed will get used as intended.
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Sorry pal, you didn't got robbed.
There are several requests about the loot system and I agree it would help to avoid these kind of misconceptions.
If you pick up items in the middle of the fight, don't expect me to jam my fingers trying to hit the correct button.
^Erm, but the second part contradicts the first.
You don't seem to actually know what you want, you are more like, how should I put it, butthurt?
I guarantee that you need every item ever. Close your mouth and come back when you have something of substance to add.
Wow, you must have a magic orb. You write like you presented something 'of substance', when you're only going on with assumptions and butthurt logic. I already explained in my first post that 'greed run' was invented for the 4 main set items + 2 weapons. Greeding a mark is stupid in all cases, since everyone can need, you are taking a risk for absolutely no reason or gain.
Edit: Taking a risk for no reason or gain is stupid universally, not just refered to neverwinter looting system.
Dude, you have already lost that fight. I also quite frequently get heat for needing BoP drops like Off-Hands and VT Armor or whatever in a "greed" run. That's as silly.
Pug meta has developed over several months now. Just greed on every BoE purple class-restricted stuff and need everything else.
After all that's also simpler than fighting a lost cause ingame and here.
Xctly that. I wonder if such threads will ever stop.
Its about agreement when running with ppl u somehow can trust, otherwise its all need (no rules respectively with threshold at green usually). And when i am the one who makes the pt i set the rule to all need anyway, its less complicated with less hassle, less disappointment and tis quite fair (again, unless i run with pt i somehow can trust and we agreed to greed or its a share-profit run, which is ofc almost impossible because only thing worth the time and sharing are artifacts, which again are too rare to drop).
The fact of the matter is that it varies from group to group and person to person. I suggest that if your doing a ton of PUGs and feel it's a issue discuss it in group at the start.
Dont come on here and try to force your opinion on how things NEED to be done in Neverwinter on everybody else, because it's just not going to happen. I wont change the rules I follow cause you say so here. Not to be rude, but you telling of others how to play means nothing here.
That's a little judgemental of you. Makes me question the supposed a-holes here. Nowadays it doesn't really matter, loot is all trash apart from the stuff everyone can need on, and to expect people to greed on a bop item is what I'd say is selfish. Other than that, who are you to judge those who prefer a certain set of rules? What I hate are people who expect handouts at the cost of the entire team. If the team agreed to it before hand then fine, otherwise you are selfish to steal valuable loot that was worth something for the whole team over farming for what you want that comes bound with a reasonable drop rate which a choice of which set in the case of t1/2 pieces.
I got gifted a stack of rank 5s once, and I just couldn't bring myself to use them so gave them to a guildie. That's how much I don't like accepting handouts. Of course selling them would have been rude.
You sir, are a selfrightous person. Ask any low GS player, if he prefers to get the help of expirienced well equiped players, when they carry him to a victory at the 'cost' of having THE SAME chance of getting the loot as EVERYONE ELSE.
I did hundreds of Epic runs, when I allready had my gear to help other players. It is the choice of every player, if he wants to run greed runs or not. What expense are you talking about, when BIS players do/ take more dmg than the rest of a low GS group combined for the SAME chance at the loot roll as everyone else.
Everyone is entiteld to their own opinion, but the only reason I did not report your rude language is, that I have seen you contribute to the forums and hope, that this was just a bad day.
BTW epic gear is cheap as dirt and ppl use it just for RAD anyway, thangs to Tiamat.
In many games that have shared loot (instead of individually assigned loot which bypasses this nonsense), I've wished for a "roll/pass" AND "reroll/pass" option. If anybody has not received a particular loot item previously, then they get a "roll/pass" option. If nobody chooses to roll, then everyone in the party gets a "reroll/pass" option.
That way, everyone has equal opportunity to get their achievement, and that opportunity supercedes grinding for loot.