we need diminishing returns on stats back or rank 12 needs huge toon down for example most of ppl have rank 7 atm and they give ~200 stat which is 0.5 % to some stat (crtic chance,arp and rest of stats )while ppl with rank 12 gets ~800 stats or 2% to some stat this 4x times more then rank 7 give and this will create huge power gap in game and a lot of ppl will just quit after this
tested a bit more your life steal changes on ToD quest lairs as lvl 70 gwf - fk it its not worth it, GWF is dead, its impossible to play gwf with the sorry excuse you call life steal
life steal was the last defensive mechanic left in game for gwf
Its a long road to this goes live BUT those that been on test before know how hard it is to get devs to change a direction once they gone down that road.
There are some MAJOR conserns that actually is game breaking to say the least.
1.ARMOR PENETRATION + DEBUFFS (terror 40% resist !!! +40% power +SNARE!!!!) what are you thinking when you do this?
Gwf,gf,Pal will have zero zip nada use for any defence what so ever with this trashing of everything that has with defence to do.
Lets face it 50% Arpen is extreamly easy to reach get the debuffs with plague and terror + spells there is no way in hell that you can stack defence to match this.
This will lead to that the major advantage tanks has toward non tanks in form of higher defence goes out the window.
This is a major change that will have a tremendous impact on game balance.
2. LIFE STEAL ... i read alot qqing about this change and i honestly can only say its absolutly insainly powerful as it is now.
You get FULL damage done back when it procs + reg bonus + other life steal bonus.
Even with 5% chanse the turnback is way way way and more way higher then before and stacking this to absurdum will most likely pay off.
There are other things to discuss also like the paladin and adding cc to all classes(terror among things) but that have to wait until some more patches comes out.
But these 2 changes needs to be looked at imho because they have a way to big impact on the game in a negative way.
2. LIFE STEAL ... i read alot qqing about this change and i honestly can only say its absolutly insainly powerful as it is now.
You get FULL damage done back when it procs + reg bonus + other life steal bonus.
Even with 5% chanse the turnback is way way way and more way higher then before and stacking this to absurdum will most likely pay off.
My understanding is that currently on the preview server the severity is 100% when life steal does proc, but that when it goes to the live server (and assuming also during later iterations of the preview server) the severity is going to be "normalized" in some way, so the stat will be far less than 100%... so you won't be actually getting full damage back as it is showing currently. I would agree with you that it would be fine if not for that. As is, though, and with the understanding of how changes are potentially going to be laid out, that's what the huge fuss about life steal is currently.
GWF got 20% weapon dmg just a few days ago...
It will be insane with the new terror!
And 25% aoe dmg btw!
you dont deal damage while you are dead, gwf might be ok with a personal healer on his *** and deal good damage, but solo content sucks.
heres how new stats work for my soon to be R.I.P. GWF
before mod 4 we had 2 tools for survivability that worked nice together - DR from Unstoppable and Life steal, in mod4 they removed Unstoppable leaving us with only Life steal, that was the start of GWF going down the drain, now they removed life steal from game as well
with these changes we dont have any defensive mechanics left
no life steal(might as well remove it from game as it is its useless for GWF, GF and TR)
some 18% DR @ 3.4k def and 29AC
unstoppable is a ffn joke, the dr on it is worth ****, and without life steal cc immunity also is worth **** from survivability standpoint
restoring strike gives some 5~7k heal, when theres 3~5 mobs hitting for 1~5k each
determination punishes us for stacking HP
we have only 1 cc skill that has insane cooldown
and in PvP neither Paladin, nor GWF nor GF will have any DR left after all these insane weapon enchants, its like playing when everybody in enemy team is a mod5 TR, just some are ranged
How can you expect to get proper feedback without giving us any means to test level 70 game play? Not everyone is willing to spend days leveling toons on the preview server.
Also, we do not have any idea what level of stats level 70 equipment will give us.
Why don't you provide a means to instant level toons and give us some level 70 blue, green, and epic gear? Otherwise most of this thread will be pure speculation.
How can you expect to get proper feedback without giving us any means to test level 70 game play? Not everyone is willing to spend days leveling toons on the preview server.
Also, we do not have any idea what level of stats level 70 equipment will give us.
Why don't you provide a means to instant level toons and give us some level 70 blue, green, and epic gear? Otherwise most of this thread will be pure speculation.
I agree with it at 1000%.
I know that testing leveling content (61-70) with appropriate gear and level is important. For some like me, I don't want to spoil my-self the quest and new zone. But I'm a theoricrafteur, I love to play with number and test things. So having a way to test level70 power would be super cool. The earlier we can do it, the sooner we can report bug.
I have participate to a lot of beta test on other game (WoW, Heroes of the Storm, ...) and the give a good way to tell what need to be tested : pre-made character. Those toon already have, or can easily obtain, the gear to be tested (blue, purple, etc). And character wipe are done regularly so the testing is always focused on one or two aspect of the game (PvE, PvP, questing, etc).
Another things that can be interesting would be a in-game bug report system. It could include an easy way to include a combat log (by checking a case) and an easy way to also create a forum post to give it visibility. The biggest advantage would be for Dev as they can easily found the character (for gear, feat, etc).
I, too, would love a gain-a-level (and lose-a-level) feature (not just a respec). I got a couple of toons to level 62, but to do proper testing of Dungeons I would need level 70; and I just don't have time for that on Preview. I will do it on live, but not on Preview.
Also, we need a gear/dungeon feedback thread because there's a few bugs with all that.
-When running 3-man version of Dungeons your level gets scaled down and you lose ability to use your items (injury kits, artifacts, adorable pet and coin, etc.). Same thing happens in other zones when you are "scaled down."
-Item Level: when copying a character over the item level remains 60 with the stats as they are on live. However, by checking Collections you can see that T1 and T2 gear got a significant stat boost and new item levels (89, 92, 116, etc.). My copied High Prophet set is missing about 1000 worth of stats.
PS: There is a "workaround" for this. You can put your gear into personal bank space (not shared) on Live. Then copy the character to Preview and take it out of the bank and it should have updated stats/item level.
-I am liking the lower return on the stats. However, it seems that ArP got boosted way too much for PvP (50% at 1700). I think a great way to adjust it would to make the % part of Resistance Ignored to be an actual % of the DR. What I mean by that is: 50% Resistance Ignored will take off 30% from a player with 60% DR and 30% Resistance Ignored will ignore 20% of the DR.
That way a tanky character will never lose 100% of his/her DR and remain relevant. Esp with the rework to the PF/Terror/Vorpal enchants.
-That said I am really liking that the effectiveness of your stats depends on your class. My HR lost DR when leveling up while my GF gained DR. That's great.
-IMO: a good way to think about stats is in terms of currency. Imagine that 1 point in any stat is a penny (and you know pennies are worthless). Does that 1 penny have any relevance? The current scaling on Preview makes 400 stat points ~= 1%. So, no. That 1 penny has no relevance. So then scale everything down by 400 (so that 1 point ~= 1%). Obviously you won't have to do full 400 scale, but something that will make every point in every stat matter.
After a bit testing: It's a joke with these changes. Reg is killed for me as tank. Lifesteal is a fortuna *****.
Feedback: Regenartion change PvE: Either I kill the mobs direct without any healing, then I don't need both stats - wasted stats.
On Live I could aggro a huge mobsize, kiting them a bit arround and damage them. Over time I! win due Reg. Now? The enemy watch your HP-source to go down. Nice... I could use Potions(which I doesn't use in any cases, even in Dungeon I rarely use such items, so MUST use them to survive such a joke szenario?! -.-), Or I could use FR(which has a CD of 3 Min to heal me for joke of 40%...), or Fighter's recovery(which would heal me so or so without the useless regstat) or... does any or really exist? I'm a tank with next to NO survivability except my DR, Deflect and HP with the change! If I had maybe... 400k HP I would say okay... maybe I drain such a high HP-Pool in a big combat over time and reg then between the fights it back to the 400k, but I have only 40k!(yeah I'm idiotic to think deflect+defensestat is anything worth). You said, reg isn't good against fighting damage spikes, but what HEAL I get in solo PvE?! Pots? Which I never needed before??? Even in groupcontent it's a joke excusement, because +12,6%(my current rate) of healing is NOTHING. If I can't aggro all mobs, the healer need every time to swap between the poor teammember and me(because you know no really healoption), and god beware him to have heal on CD! Especially this is an anti-aggro change for us tanks. Due the alone healing, the healer only need rarely to heal us, which generate less aggro for him as on PTS with the more needed healing. Especially in kiting situation(hello FH!) this is bad. The time is against us tanks the longer the combat last instead of the opposite. I don't need to reg faster after combat(especially this 'faster' is a joke due combat is either long enough to heal with the reg ticks to at least 50% or the outside combat is long enough to reg so or so - or just potusing - that reg is useless in such a state). A tank that reg after the fight...
In PvP this is just left to a runner method(you aggro - especially with a long lasting dot - your opponent with your last hit and go away, heal 2-3 ticks, which are now 30-45%! and enter the combat again with such a better hp-pool). The reg beware me in PvP in a dpm race a bit to die. Either he can outdpm me or I just take the fight long enough that the opponent either die or run. Now with the change, I have no option to fight against DPM(because yeah you know next to no healoption) out of being from the begin stronger as my opponent. The OS/One rotation are barely, and none of both mechanics beware me of it, so no point for one of them.
Feedback: To Lifesteal the fortuna *****: Unreliable healing, while it's 'consequent over time' it's very situational. This make the scenario some CWs mentioned with their AoE clear!
If you have enough opponents to hit to proc at least one hit, which is on your average damagenumber, then you will stay like the old system, but if you have only single hits, which vary sometimes drastic, then it's either your doom or gloom.(who love to heal for 150k crit if you have only lost 3.5k of your 30k life while in the other you don't get the healhit and died?) In PvE with the useless reg(yeah 150k*1.126 is SOOO usefull) your standing against single targets are bad(if you can't hit them very often). In PvP, this is a new RNG(who crit, who has the higher standard number, who maybe deflect) - who get the hitheal? 2 Persons, equal, maybe a bit different skill-level and now dependent on whose hits will generate more LS to survive longer the fight to fire more at-wills/daily/encounters???
I don't see any reason to change any of the both stats in such a way. If LS is to powerful for DPS-classes, then adjust it. Not change the way it works with a new useless RNG! Reg is in any case for me dead this way. No way it will be useful. Not even the numbers are doubled/tripled/tenfold of its effectiveness.(because yeah potsucking/healcrits/rare healcondition are so nice...)
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ghoulz66Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 3,748Arc User
edited February 2015
They have taken this in the opposite direction. Poorer undergeared players are going to be punished even more now. What choice do they have now, they have to accept the exp and level up till they're 70 and become worst off than before.
As it stands now there is no reason to choose Defense over HP in any situation. Even with the above announcement that 400 defense will equal 1% DR (before it was 393.5, so that would actually be worse), it is still just vastly inferior to HP.
Here's the math:
Let's say I have 50,000 HP, and 0 Defense. If I add 100 Defense, my effective HP becomes 50,000/(1-1/400) = 50,125. Alternatively, I can add 400 HP and make my effective HP 50,400. Which is quite a bit better an effective HP than if I had added defense. The value of HP is so much higher, in fact, that the break-even point is 159,600. That is, If I had 159,600 HP then adding 100 defense will be equivalent to adding 400 HP in terms of effective HP. So people should only stack HP up to that point before they even consider adding defense.
Now I understand that the goal is to prevent characters, especially non-tanks, from becoming too tanky. But defense needs to be made somewhat competitive with HP, especially for classes that are supposed to be more durable. I think at a minimum you need to give GF's, Guardian OP's, and GWF's better defense curves than you give to CW's, SW's, TR's, and DC's. My CW should need to hide behind a tank to stay safe. But there's really no way for a GF to get the durability they need to do their job properly with the slope of the Defense Curve.
I love this idea.
Give the Tanky melee classes a higher defense scaling / higher durability inherently.
LS and Regen are great now... no more solo kamikaze CW. The game MUST go back to what was CN at the beginning.. no one ever dreamed to run against 20+ mobs as a CW cast some CC spell and survive. Soulforged encouraged this play stile, but LS get out of control. The change is very good, and increase both difficulty as well as rainbow party. I like that
I want to know if someone else have noticed the change this week-end on preview with the stats on enchantment.
On preview today:
R8 radiant enchantment:
280 Power on offensive slot
1120 HP on defensive slot
R9 radiant enchantment:
340 Power on offensive slot
1360 HP on defensive slot
And I noticed a stats change on my Control Wizard weapon (Legendery Level) Chilling eye of the golden Dragon.
Weapon damage 716-876 (on live) increase to 1053-1287.
Stats on Preview increase to :
Power : 3797
Critical Strike : 515
Recovery : 515
Question : I want to know if those change will stay or not?
Thanks
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As it stands now there is no reason to choose Defense over HP in any situation. Even with the above announcement that 400 defense will equal 1% DR (before it was 393.5, so that would actually be worse), it is still just vastly inferior to HP.
Here's the math:
Let's say I have 50,000 HP, and 0 Defense. If I add 100 Defense, my effective HP becomes 50,000/(1-1/400) = 50,125. Alternatively, I can add 400 HP and make my effective HP 50,400. Which is quite a bit better an effective HP than if I had added defense. The value of HP is so much higher, in fact, that the break-even point is 159,600. That is, If I had 159,600 HP then adding 100 defense will be equivalent to adding 400 HP in terms of effective HP. So people should only stack HP up to that point before they even consider adding defense.
Now I understand that the goal is to prevent characters, especially non-tanks, from becoming too tanky. But defense needs to be made somewhat competitive with HP, especially for classes that are supposed to be more durable. I think at a minimum you need to give GF's, Guardian OP's, and GWF's better defense curves than you give to CW's, SW's, TR's, and DC's. My CW should need to hide behind a tank to stay safe. But there's really no way for a GF to get the durability they need to do their job properly with the slope of the Defense Curve.
So here is an idea. INSTEAD of giving X class more benefit from Defense, what if INSTEAD Defense gave BOTH DR % as well as "increases effectiveness of AC by X%" as well.
This would be similar toRegen BOTH giving you passive out of combat regen as well as Incoming Healing effectiveness.
So lets say A GF has 40 AC and this provides him 14% DR (something like that).
He THEN gets 12,000 Defense which at the current system would be another 30% DR AND it increases his AC effectiveness BY 30% whihc would give (14*.3)= 4.2% Additional DR.
Thus his ability to stack MORE AC than non-tanks combined with Stacking Defense makes for a nice synergy.
That 12k Defense 40 AC player would have 14%+4.2%+30% = 48.2% DR
Where as an 8k 30 AC player would have 20%+10.5%+2.1% = 32.6% DR
This would mean that classes with MORE AC benefit MORE from Defense WITHOUT having to provide a different "stat curve" for those players.
If this was STILL lackluster, you can play with the %increase in AC effectiveness this actually gives. Maybe at 30% defense (12k defense) this provides 30% DR and 60% increase effectiveness of AC.
This means that 12k Defense 40 AC GF would have:
12k = 30%
AC @ 40 = 14% (guesstimates this could be off)
AC increase from 12k Defense @ 60%: (14*.6)= 8.4%
This gives that player 52.4% Total DR.
Versus a "CW" who may have 20 AC and EVEN IF they stacked the same 12k Defense (which would probably be impossible)
12k = 30%
20 AC = 7%
AC increase from 12k = (7*.6)= 4.2
Meaning this CW would be at 41.2% DR because they dont have the same AC and therefore dont get AS MUCH benefit out of Defense that a higher AC class has.
I must say that I'm strongly against this change, for multiple reasons. All of my arguments are geared solely toward PvE.
1. If your gear grants you a regeneration ability, it should first and foremost do so *during* combat -- that's the entire point of wearing combat gear in the first place!
2. If we survive the fight without regen then we didn't need it anyway, and if we don't, then we're...DEAD! At level 60, PvE players generally don't have to worry about having enough healing potions as they drop and as we generally have plenty of gold. What use is regen after the fight when we can just quaff potions at our leisure? It's illogical on its face.
3. Most classes cannot heal themselves. That's the gap that regen fills, and I always argue that for certain classes it's far more useful than lifesteal. Case in point: the HR. An HR is an aggro magnet, and relying on lifesteal to self-heal is inherently suicidal. Further, as the HR cannot stealth and can only dodge a short distance, the time when passive healing is needed the most is when he is being pummeled by multiple critters and is dodging to stay alive. The HR isn't attacking during that time; he is too busy trying to stay alive. That's where regen keeps him alive and lifesteal doesn't.
To me, this is a devastating nerf to anyone who cannot self-heal and has to do dailies. During dailies, we're always outnumbered, which means our enemies always have combat advantage. In places like IWD and WoD where we're at a level disadvantage to boot, we have to rely on our ability to whittle enemies down over time, dodge like crazy, and...wait for it...regen. This isn't a slight modification, this feels more like a severe, illogical, arbitrary punishment.
If your overall goal is to make all content more difficult, please don't make an important ability irrelevant (and, yes, making it useful only after combat is over is making it irrelevant!). The problem, IMHO, with current content is that it's way too static and predictable. If you're doing a daily in the Blighted Grove, redcaps shouldn't be content to just blight acorns for you to kill them: there should be a chance that half a dozen redcaps in the hut overhead might notice and attack! There should be wandering bands, not of powries, but of giantsouls, and they should appear at randomly-chosen places and patrol paths. There should be a chance that a witherer knows a different spell than the weak one they normally know, one that does something nasty to you. This should be the case in every zone where we currently do dailies. Danger is not in arbitrarily penalizing players; it's in making life in the wild unpredictable.
Very very well put.
if players truly want to wade up to their hips in constant difficulty then we would all want to start with total dominion over mobs in PVE and each level desire to lose gear and power; but this is hardly true. I look fwd to experiencing more power and ease in PVE not less. Its like assuming ppl want to work harder over their career for the same money. Um nope.
if players truly want to wade up to their hips in constant difficulty then we would all want to start with total dominion over mobs in PVE and each level desire to lose gear and power; but this is hardly true. I look fwd to experiencing more power and ease in PVE not less. Its like assuming ppl want to work harder over their career for the same money. Um nope.
What about a compromise inbetween the two.
Currently Regen works as a % of HP healed that gets to its "full severity" at 50% and diminishes if you are above 50%.
Regen in PnP ONLY works while "bloodied".
So instead of disabling regen ENTIRELY in combat, what if Regen INSTEAD STARTED at 50% HP (similar to starting at 100% HP now) and got to its FULL severity at 25% HP.
This would still provide limited self healing, but only under more "dire" circumstances. Once you are to 50% HP, you dont regen anyfurther UNLESS you are outside combat, at which you would heal for the full amount of regen regardless of % HP.
This makes regen still important, while not making it TOO OP and enable a player to rely on for full "self healing" but I do agree 100%. There are times where you are fleeing for your life, hoping that Regen ticks can keep you alive because you are at a SLIVER of HP.
Its under 25% you need it most. Over 50% HP its not as useful.
TLDR: IN COMBAT regen kicks in at 50% and its "full severity" kicks in at 25% HP. The closer you get to 50% HP, the lower and lower Regen tick you get (similar to geting closer to 100% HP on LIVE).
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clericalistMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 595Arc User
edited February 2015
Please, whatever changes you do with lifesteal, make sure that glass cannons do not remain the invincible tanks they are now. I am specifically talking about about CW here, but the principle applies to any AOE spamming class.
Also, to make harder dungeons, why not introduce things like random poison traps, things where life steal cannot be applied to, and if that why not certain enemies that are immune to life steal
So with these changes to regen effectively making it far less pvp important, will they change the stats on bloodcrystal ravenskull to more required stats?
silverkeltMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,235Arc User
edited February 2015
Feedback:
Lifesteal needs some work, on most characters it was the lifeline to solo grinding. There needs to be a balance on this, the rng aspect seems harsh. I am in total agreement with a tone down to life steal, but current version seems to go to far.
The other flip side is you could generally tone down damage from mob packs, so you dont die on the moment of engagement with no effective health replacement any longer.
Feedback: Regen, if remains similar to current version, please double or triple health out of combat healing (you can have a delay to enact it, but no one wants to stand around waiting for next mob pack)
REGEN: FEEDBACK I have been chewing on this change for a while. While I like the concept I would be MUCH more in favor of allowing regen in combat but much less effective. Something like this.
Currently Regen starts at 99.99% HP and scales upwards to full strength at 50% HP.
What I would like to see if modified to would be:
Regen STARTS at 50% HP and scales upwards for full effectiveness at 25%.
What this means is that the regen ticks you earn NOW between 50%-100% would be the same regen ticks you would earn between 25%-50%.
The same regen ticks you normalyl heal for at <50% HP (full ticks) would not kick in until under 25% HP.
Above 50% there is no in combat regen.
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beckylunaticMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 14,231Arc User
edited February 2015
Feedback: Stat buffing companions I don't mean companions with an active bonus of +x to a stat, I mean the companions whose powers when summoned actually buff the handler's stats. The ones I'm aware of are the Fawn, the Acolyte of Kelemvor, and the Priestess of Sune. I didn't go read every companion tooltip out there, just concentrated on the Leader-types. New stat curves mean that I don't think it's likely to be possible to pile enough equipment onto a Fawn or Acolyte to provide a noticeable buff, and I'm not sure anyone understands how the Sunite's deflection bonus is calculated, but it's unlikely to amount to much in light of the changes either.
Edit: Additionally, with regen not working in combat... neither does the Fawn, at all.
On that note though, perhaps the Phoera and Mystic Phoera need a look at their active bonus, as I'm not sure where +1000 to each of two stats on resurrection falls in the new meta. Possibly that's still strong enough for people who would choose this combination, I don't know.
Feedback: Stat buffing companions I don't mean companions with an active bonus of +x to a stat, I mean the companions whose powers when summoned actually buff the handler's stats. The ones I'm aware of are the Fawn, the Acolyte of Kelemvor, and the Priestess of Sune. I didn't go read every companion tooltip out there, just concentrated on the Leader-types. New stat curves mean that I don't think it's likely to be possible to pile enough equipment onto a Fawn or Acolyte to provide a noticeable buff, and I'm not sure anyone understands how the Sunite's deflection bonus is calculated, but it's unlikely to amount to much in light of the changes either.
Edit: Additionally, with regen not working in combat... neither does the Fawn, at all.
On that note though, perhaps the Phoera and Mystic Phoera need a look at their active bonus, as I'm not sure where +1000 to each of two stats on resurrection falls in the new meta. Possibly that's still strong enough for people who would choose this combination, I don't know.
Pet will be upgradable to *legendary* with increase stat and new power.
Personnaly, I would like to see the Dancing Blade and Enrynies Have the same bonus. Both give crit severity but one is ar 5% max when the second is at 10%. At what level will it be at max level in mod 6 : 12,5% or 15% ?
This is not a discussion or debate thread. This thread is for FEEDBACK ONLY. Also, the feedback/bugs provided MUST be in the format specifed in the opening posts of this thread. Any post not meeting that standard is subject to removal.
If you wish to debate the stat changes, do so in a place OTHER than this thread. Thank you.
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bajornorbertMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 272Arc User
edited February 2015
Feedback: Lifesteal At lvl 60 my CW had 12.7% LS, at lvl 61 that decreased to 9.9%, but even at 12.7% i barely seen any LS procs, prob since 3/4 of my encounters are AoE, yet when it proc'd i've seen ticks as low as 1k and as high as 100k. The way LS is now it will be possible to LS for millions, which is just pointless and it will also be possible to not LS for several minutes (happened to me).
I understand why the new LS makes more sense from a lore standpoint, but as a mechanic it's terrible and it has some serious flaws. Imagine someone stacking LS to 25% or even higher, which is possible even at a 400:1 ratio, that would result in the new LS being even more OP than the old one. Any DoT/proc-heavy build with 25%+ LS and Endless Consumption will be invincible, since it will be able to heal from 1 HP to 100% every couple of seconds.
Update:
Here's some math, why the new LS is much more OP than the old one:
9x r12 darks in def slots = 5400 LS
Boons = 450 LS
3x LS artifact (Belial + BI + Valindra) = 1500 LS @ r100 (3k? @ r140)
BiS Equipment = 1500 LS (way more if you want to max LS)
Tiamat 5th/6th/7th boon = +5% LS
Total so far: 8850 LS = 22.12% + 5% (Tiamat) = 27.12% LS chance
And now the class specific stuff:
HR:
+5% LS for a total of 32.12%
SW:
+1155 LS @ lvl 70 = +2.88%
+700 LS on crit = +1.75%
+5% LS from Aura of Cruelty
+3.9% LS @ max Soul Sparks
Total so far: 45.65% LS chance
If you really want to, you can build your SW completely around LS, maxing it everywhere possible, Draconic set or it's m6 equivalent, 5 Rings of revitalization, 4 LS artifacts, LS artifact equipment, etc. If you do this you should be able to achieve ~55% LS chance.
That alone with only 100% LS severity will make you pretty much invincible. Now add to that the reworked Temp SW capstone, which will result in your team having 55% "old" LS and your whole team will be invincible. A team with 2 Temp SWs will be more OP than anything we ever had before, the only way they would ever die if the entire team gets one-hited at the same time.
Update 2:
Forgot about 2 things available for every class:
- The reworked Lifedrinker, which is another +5% LS chance;
- The Metallic overload enchantment, which is +2k LS (+5%) for 20s every 60s.
Bug: Lifesteal For some reason my LS got increased by 10% while i was in combat. Only seen it happen once, so i have no clue how to reproduce it.
Bug: Tiamat 5th boon (+3% LS) It increases you LS by 4% instead of 3%.
Feedback: Regeneration + Higher out of combat regen. The only reason i had a couple of points in it on every toon is because i like the passive out of combat heal. (I don't use potions, i can't even remember the last time i bought any).
- The lack of in-combat regen makes tanking pretty much impossible. I understand that you want to make healers more relevant, esp that the OP has a healer path too, but this just kills the GF class entirely. A GF w/o regen needs to either use a ton of distilled potions / stones of health, or will need a DC to baby-sit him/her, which will probably (hopefully) result in the rest of the team dying. Since you will become more of a weakness than an assets, everyone will just take an OP instead, because it will have better aggro management capability and better sustain.
Feedback: 60+ stat curves 1. The transition from level 60 to 61 should be more graceful. Some stats are fine (ex. my 12k+ power at lvl 60 gives +78% and at lvl 61 +72%), but ArP and Def scales very badly. My ~2.9k ArP at lvl 60 is ~26%, while at lvl 61 it's ~52% (iirc). On the other hand, almost 1.7k defense at lvl 60 is ~25%, while at lvl 61 it's <9%.
2. It's not future proof. What will happen when in a couple of modules there will be another level cap increase and the stat curves need to be adjusted? We'll have 3 stat curves, then 4, then 5, and so on.
A better solution, imo, would be to have a stat curves that scale with your level and the max level. A very simple example:
1% = points_needed_for_stat_y * (YOUR_LVL / MAX_LVL)
This way no matter how many times you decide to raise the level cap you only need to change the MAX_LVL constant, and if you want to fine tune the stat curve, you change the points_needed_for_stat_y variable.
This would allow for additional fine tuning when needed. Stat_modifier can be a simple function, that prevents situations where a stat might reach 100% or some other ridiculous level (see LS example above).
Feedback: Item stats / sets What will happen with the existing sets? Will they get updated? If not than the problem will be that a new lvl 60 green will have more stats than a T2 set piece. On the other hand, if they do get updated and there will be no better sets, then after reaching lvl 70 the only thing left to do is to refine, refine, refine and refine some more, which everyone had enough of already.
Stats
Regeneration – This stat has been trouble to find a place where it feels good, and never really felt desirable to the classes (and in the use cases) we really wanted. With that we are reworking it slightly. It will still grant health regeneration, but only while out of combat. To compensate for this, it also improves the effect of all incoming healing on you. This improvement works on self healing and Life Steal. This does *not* affect potions.
Life Steal – Life Steal has been converted into a proc. Now instead of healing a percentage of your outgoing health one each outgoing attack, each outgoing attack has a chance to siphon a percentage of its damage (equal to your life steal severity) as healing for you. This healing does benefit from sources of increased healing including Regeneration.
Armor Penetration – With a more strictly tiered end game in the works, we have adjusted how Armor Penetration works at end game. More specifically we are making the amount of damage resistance dungeon dwellers have increase sharply with each tier of dungeon. Luckily we are also going to include far more armor penetration as a core stat for damage dealer PVE gear. This won’t affect most players all that much, however it will provide a pretty steep damage increase in subsequent dungeon tiers as you pick up more Armor Penetration equipment.
Stat Curves – As a general rule the new stat curves at level 70 will feel much more restrictive but they are vastly improved in two major facets that will facilitate better content going forward. Firstly they are far friendlier with stacking stats, meaning you can chase stats much harder than you could before without being strongly penalized. While the curves are not totally linear, they will feel that way for the most part. Secondly they are designed to work much farther into our projected gear growth over the coming modules, and as such should handle power creep much more gracefully than before. Overall this means you will see smaller percentages at level 70 than you are used to, but as your equipment fills in you will still find value in your core stats.
FEEDBACK: ALL of the ABOVE
Regeneration – Currently Regeneration was not an issue in PVP due to healing depression, its only PVE where classes can NOW stack ALOT of regen which enables them to heal insane amounts during PVE. The hard part is, its balanced in PVP but too OP in PVE this is due to the shift with healing depression.
What I think would be a fair middle ground is NOT to remove Regen from combat altogether, but just dont have it START until uver 50% HP (down from 100%) and drop its full severity down to 25% (from 50%). Now meaning you dont start in combat regen until under 50% HP and the healing ticks start increasing as you go lower HP up to 25% where the healing ticks are "full strength". This allows regen to still be useful and not a wasted stat during combat - since not everyone has a pocket healer or plays with a healer.
I also dont like that this stat seems to replace the +healing stat which should be desired, however now why stack that when you can instead stack regen which gives MORE benefits than just +healing.
Life Steal – I think its safe to say that people are not fond of this new mechanic. Not many people are in favor of RNG and I completely understand that lifesteal was TOO powerful on live, allowing classes to regen ALOT of HP on a reliable basis. I get that this change to RNG makes it less reliable making it more likely they will need a healer. The issue I see here is its RNG based and will EITHER be very OP or very underpowered. If a player has 10% lifesteal and doesnt get a proc, he will be very upset it didnt heal him, however if he DOES get a proc it will overheal him and make him invincible.
What I think needs to happen here is to put it BACK to a factor that procs/applies of EVERY hit, however instead of it scaling based on total damage output, instead based on something else entirely. Some have suggested weapon damage % (Instead of making Lifedrinker like Lifesteal, make lifesteal like lifedrinker) and others have suggested to keep it off of total damage, but turn the heals into a HoT instead of an up front type of thing. Either way, PLEASE remove the RNG from this and put it back to a more reliable although lower form of healing. Nothing is more frustrating than RNG!
Armor Penetration – The main worry here is two fold. 1) In PVE no player would ever stack anything but dark enchants in offensive slots. Why bother having +400 Power when that only gets you 1% more damage when you get get 4% more ARP from 400 points. I like the fact that PVE mobs will have MUCH more DR which creates needs to debuffs and what not, however I think it would be MUCH more fair if the other options were more of a tradeoff rather than a hands down win....
2) PVP considerations. If classes are now going to have THIS much ARP, dont you think that will cause PVP issues? Especially with tankier classes that will feel as if they are wearing no armor at all?
Stat Curves – By big concern here is there are stats that are clearly better than others. For instance I mentioned above Dark Enchants (ARP) versus Radiants (Power). This is ALSO an issue when comparing Defensive stats like: HP/Defense/Deflect. Currently with 400:1 its going to make NO sense to stack defense or deflect, Everyone is going to run around with Radiants in defensive slots for HP and Darks in offensive for ARP. It gives you the most bang for your buck hands down.
I would suggest instead of making everything 400:1 things need to be considered like you did with recovery being 200:1. Everything needs to offer comparable advantages just in different ways. For instance people have suggested making Defense 300:1 instead of 400:1% because this would then put in roughly on PAR with HP. This however makes deflect a VERY lack luster stat. Based on rough math, Deflect could be pegged at 200:1% (on par with recovery) which would allow for a ROUGH matchup of:
HP = Defense = Deflect rather than HP > Defense > Deflect.
Same goes for offensive with currently things like ARP > Crit > Power. With the current plan to make PVE mobs have 80%+ DR I dont see how someone would want to stack power unless you made the Stat (ARP) more like 300:1% ARP and then looked at making Power and Crit both ~ 250:1%. This puts things more on par with other stats. Given that we can get +900 stats on artifacts alone, putting ARP to 300:1% would still give you the opportunity to get 12% just on artifacts alone. Then another 16% from rank 12 in 8 offensive slots. Then looking at things like stats and what not, you will see some classes with close to 50% ARP when maxed out.
What this does is actualyl allows you to build in room for debuffs meaning you will never be able to max out ARP but will have to rely on debuffs which will make content harder AND give you more options for stats.
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life steal was the last defensive mechanic left in game for gwf
There are some MAJOR conserns that actually is game breaking to say the least.
1.ARMOR PENETRATION + DEBUFFS (terror 40% resist !!! +40% power +SNARE!!!!) what are you thinking when you do this?
Gwf,gf,Pal will have zero zip nada use for any defence what so ever with this trashing of everything that has with defence to do.
Lets face it 50% Arpen is extreamly easy to reach get the debuffs with plague and terror + spells there is no way in hell that you can stack defence to match this.
This will lead to that the major advantage tanks has toward non tanks in form of higher defence goes out the window.
This is a major change that will have a tremendous impact on game balance.
2. LIFE STEAL ... i read alot qqing about this change and i honestly can only say its absolutly insainly powerful as it is now.
You get FULL damage done back when it procs + reg bonus + other life steal bonus.
Even with 5% chanse the turnback is way way way and more way higher then before and stacking this to absurdum will most likely pay off.
There are other things to discuss also like the paladin and adding cc to all classes(terror among things) but that have to wait until some more patches comes out.
But these 2 changes needs to be looked at imho because they have a way to big impact on the game in a negative way.
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My understanding is that currently on the preview server the severity is 100% when life steal does proc, but that when it goes to the live server (and assuming also during later iterations of the preview server) the severity is going to be "normalized" in some way, so the stat will be far less than 100%... so you won't be actually getting full damage back as it is showing currently. I would agree with you that it would be fine if not for that. As is, though, and with the understanding of how changes are potentially going to be laid out, that's what the huge fuss about life steal is currently.
you dont deal damage while you are dead, gwf might be ok with a personal healer on his *** and deal good damage, but solo content sucks.
heres how new stats work for my soon to be R.I.P. GWF
before mod 4 we had 2 tools for survivability that worked nice together - DR from Unstoppable and Life steal, in mod4 they removed Unstoppable leaving us with only Life steal, that was the start of GWF going down the drain, now they removed life steal from game as well
with these changes we dont have any defensive mechanics left
and in PvP neither Paladin, nor GWF nor GF will have any DR left after all these insane weapon enchants, its like playing when everybody in enemy team is a mod5 TR, just some are ranged
Also, we do not have any idea what level of stats level 70 equipment will give us.
Why don't you provide a means to instant level toons and give us some level 70 blue, green, and epic gear? Otherwise most of this thread will be pure speculation.
I agree with it at 1000%.
I know that testing leveling content (61-70) with appropriate gear and level is important. For some like me, I don't want to spoil my-self the quest and new zone. But I'm a theoricrafteur, I love to play with number and test things. So having a way to test level70 power would be super cool. The earlier we can do it, the sooner we can report bug.
I have participate to a lot of beta test on other game (WoW, Heroes of the Storm, ...) and the give a good way to tell what need to be tested : pre-made character. Those toon already have, or can easily obtain, the gear to be tested (blue, purple, etc). And character wipe are done regularly so the testing is always focused on one or two aspect of the game (PvE, PvP, questing, etc).
Another things that can be interesting would be a in-game bug report system. It could include an easy way to include a combat log (by checking a case) and an easy way to also create a forum post to give it visibility. The biggest advantage would be for Dev as they can easily found the character (for gear, feat, etc).
Also, we need a gear/dungeon feedback thread because there's a few bugs with all that.
-When running 3-man version of Dungeons your level gets scaled down and you lose ability to use your items (injury kits, artifacts, adorable pet and coin, etc.). Same thing happens in other zones when you are "scaled down."
-Item Level: when copying a character over the item level remains 60 with the stats as they are on live. However, by checking Collections you can see that T1 and T2 gear got a significant stat boost and new item levels (89, 92, 116, etc.). My copied High Prophet set is missing about 1000 worth of stats.
PS: There is a "workaround" for this. You can put your gear into personal bank space (not shared) on Live. Then copy the character to Preview and take it out of the bank and it should have updated stats/item level.
-I am liking the lower return on the stats. However, it seems that ArP got boosted way too much for PvP (50% at 1700). I think a great way to adjust it would to make the % part of Resistance Ignored to be an actual % of the DR. What I mean by that is: 50% Resistance Ignored will take off 30% from a player with 60% DR and 30% Resistance Ignored will ignore 20% of the DR.
That way a tanky character will never lose 100% of his/her DR and remain relevant. Esp with the rework to the PF/Terror/Vorpal enchants.
-That said I am really liking that the effectiveness of your stats depends on your class. My HR lost DR when leveling up while my GF gained DR. That's great.
-IMO: a good way to think about stats is in terms of currency. Imagine that 1 point in any stat is a penny (and you know pennies are worthless). Does that 1 penny have any relevance? The current scaling on Preview makes 400 stat points ~= 1%. So, no. That 1 penny has no relevance. So then scale everything down by 400 (so that 1 point ~= 1%). Obviously you won't have to do full 400 scale, but something that will make every point in every stat matter.
Feedback: Regenartion change
PvE: Either I kill the mobs direct without any healing, then I don't need both stats - wasted stats.
On Live I could aggro a huge mobsize, kiting them a bit arround and damage them. Over time I! win due Reg. Now? The enemy watch your HP-source to go down. Nice... I could use Potions(which I doesn't use in any cases, even in Dungeon I rarely use such items, so MUST use them to survive such a joke szenario?! -.-), Or I could use FR(which has a CD of 3 Min to heal me for joke of 40%...), or Fighter's recovery(which would heal me so or so without the useless regstat) or... does any or really exist? I'm a tank with next to NO survivability except my DR, Deflect and HP with the change! If I had maybe... 400k HP I would say okay... maybe I drain such a high HP-Pool in a big combat over time and reg then between the fights it back to the 400k, but I have only 40k!(yeah I'm idiotic to think deflect+defensestat is anything worth). You said, reg isn't good against fighting damage spikes, but what HEAL I get in solo PvE?! Pots? Which I never needed before??? Even in groupcontent it's a joke excusement, because +12,6%(my current rate) of healing is NOTHING. If I can't aggro all mobs, the healer need every time to swap between the poor teammember and me(because you know no really healoption), and god beware him to have heal on CD! Especially this is an anti-aggro change for us tanks. Due the alone healing, the healer only need rarely to heal us, which generate less aggro for him as on PTS with the more needed healing. Especially in kiting situation(hello FH!) this is bad. The time is against us tanks the longer the combat last instead of the opposite. I don't need to reg faster after combat(especially this 'faster' is a joke due combat is either long enough to heal with the reg ticks to at least 50% or the outside combat is long enough to reg so or so - or just potusing - that reg is useless in such a state). A tank that reg after the fight...
In PvP this is just left to a runner method(you aggro - especially with a long lasting dot - your opponent with your last hit and go away, heal 2-3 ticks, which are now 30-45%! and enter the combat again with such a better hp-pool). The reg beware me in PvP in a dpm race a bit to die. Either he can outdpm me or I just take the fight long enough that the opponent either die or run. Now with the change, I have no option to fight against DPM(because yeah you know next to no healoption) out of being from the begin stronger as my opponent. The OS/One rotation are barely, and none of both mechanics beware me of it, so no point for one of them.
Feedback: To Lifesteal the fortuna *****:
Unreliable healing, while it's 'consequent over time' it's very situational. This make the scenario some CWs mentioned with their AoE clear!
If you have enough opponents to hit to proc at least one hit, which is on your average damagenumber, then you will stay like the old system, but if you have only single hits, which vary sometimes drastic, then it's either your doom or gloom.(who love to heal for 150k crit if you have only lost 3.5k of your 30k life while in the other you don't get the healhit and died?) In PvE with the useless reg(yeah 150k*1.126 is SOOO usefull) your standing against single targets are bad(if you can't hit them very often). In PvP, this is a new RNG(who crit, who has the higher standard number, who maybe deflect) - who get the hitheal? 2 Persons, equal, maybe a bit different skill-level and now dependent on whose hits will generate more LS to survive longer the fight to fire more at-wills/daily/encounters???
I don't see any reason to change any of the both stats in such a way. If LS is to powerful for DPS-classes, then adjust it. Not change the way it works with a new useless RNG! Reg is in any case for me dead this way. No way it will be useful. Not even the numbers are doubled/tripled/tenfold of its effectiveness.(because yeah potsucking/healcrits/rare healcondition are so nice...)
I love this idea.
Give the Tanky melee classes a higher defense scaling / higher durability inherently.
Drunken Goose of MidNight Express. - 3.3k Paladin , 3.6k GWF , 3.1k GF,
I want to know if someone else have noticed the change this week-end on preview with the stats on enchantment.
On preview today:
R8 radiant enchantment:
280 Power on offensive slot
1120 HP on defensive slot
R9 radiant enchantment:
340 Power on offensive slot
1360 HP on defensive slot
And I noticed a stats change on my Control Wizard weapon (Legendery Level) Chilling eye of the golden Dragon.
Weapon damage 716-876 (on live) increase to 1053-1287.
Stats on Preview increase to :
Power : 3797
Critical Strike : 515
Recovery : 515
Question : I want to know if those change will stay or not?
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So here is an idea. INSTEAD of giving X class more benefit from Defense, what if INSTEAD Defense gave BOTH DR % as well as "increases effectiveness of AC by X%" as well.
This would be similar toRegen BOTH giving you passive out of combat regen as well as Incoming Healing effectiveness.
So lets say A GF has 40 AC and this provides him 14% DR (something like that).
He THEN gets 12,000 Defense which at the current system would be another 30% DR AND it increases his AC effectiveness BY 30% whihc would give (14*.3)= 4.2% Additional DR.
Thus his ability to stack MORE AC than non-tanks combined with Stacking Defense makes for a nice synergy.
That 12k Defense 40 AC player would have 14%+4.2%+30% = 48.2% DR
Where as an 8k 30 AC player would have 20%+10.5%+2.1% = 32.6% DR
This would mean that classes with MORE AC benefit MORE from Defense WITHOUT having to provide a different "stat curve" for those players.
If this was STILL lackluster, you can play with the %increase in AC effectiveness this actually gives. Maybe at 30% defense (12k defense) this provides 30% DR and 60% increase effectiveness of AC.
This means that 12k Defense 40 AC GF would have:
12k = 30%
AC @ 40 = 14% (guesstimates this could be off)
AC increase from 12k Defense @ 60%: (14*.6)= 8.4%
This gives that player 52.4% Total DR.
Versus a "CW" who may have 20 AC and EVEN IF they stacked the same 12k Defense (which would probably be impossible)
12k = 30%
20 AC = 7%
AC increase from 12k = (7*.6)= 4.2
Meaning this CW would be at 41.2% DR because they dont have the same AC and therefore dont get AS MUCH benefit out of Defense that a higher AC class has.
Very very well put.
if players truly want to wade up to their hips in constant difficulty then we would all want to start with total dominion over mobs in PVE and each level desire to lose gear and power; but this is hardly true. I look fwd to experiencing more power and ease in PVE not less. Its like assuming ppl want to work harder over their career for the same money. Um nope.
What about a compromise inbetween the two.
Currently Regen works as a % of HP healed that gets to its "full severity" at 50% and diminishes if you are above 50%.
Regen in PnP ONLY works while "bloodied".
So instead of disabling regen ENTIRELY in combat, what if Regen INSTEAD STARTED at 50% HP (similar to starting at 100% HP now) and got to its FULL severity at 25% HP.
This would still provide limited self healing, but only under more "dire" circumstances. Once you are to 50% HP, you dont regen anyfurther UNLESS you are outside combat, at which you would heal for the full amount of regen regardless of % HP.
This makes regen still important, while not making it TOO OP and enable a player to rely on for full "self healing" but I do agree 100%. There are times where you are fleeing for your life, hoping that Regen ticks can keep you alive because you are at a SLIVER of HP.
Its under 25% you need it most. Over 50% HP its not as useful.
TLDR: IN COMBAT regen kicks in at 50% and its "full severity" kicks in at 25% HP. The closer you get to 50% HP, the lower and lower Regen tick you get (similar to geting closer to 100% HP on LIVE).
Also, to make harder dungeons, why not introduce things like random poison traps, things where life steal cannot be applied to, and if that why not certain enemies that are immune to life steal
Drunken Goose of MidNight Express. - 3.3k Paladin , 3.6k GWF , 3.1k GF,
Lifesteal needs some work, on most characters it was the lifeline to solo grinding. There needs to be a balance on this, the rng aspect seems harsh. I am in total agreement with a tone down to life steal, but current version seems to go to far.
The other flip side is you could generally tone down damage from mob packs, so you dont die on the moment of engagement with no effective health replacement any longer.
Feedback: Regen, if remains similar to current version, please double or triple health out of combat healing (you can have a delay to enact it, but no one wants to stand around waiting for next mob pack)
I have been chewing on this change for a while. While I like the concept I would be MUCH more in favor of allowing regen in combat but much less effective. Something like this.
Currently Regen starts at 99.99% HP and scales upwards to full strength at 50% HP.
What I would like to see if modified to would be:
Regen STARTS at 50% HP and scales upwards for full effectiveness at 25%.
What this means is that the regen ticks you earn NOW between 50%-100% would be the same regen ticks you would earn between 25%-50%.
The same regen ticks you normalyl heal for at <50% HP (full ticks) would not kick in until under 25% HP.
Above 50% there is no in combat regen.
I don't mean companions with an active bonus of +x to a stat, I mean the companions whose powers when summoned actually buff the handler's stats. The ones I'm aware of are the Fawn, the Acolyte of Kelemvor, and the Priestess of Sune. I didn't go read every companion tooltip out there, just concentrated on the Leader-types. New stat curves mean that I don't think it's likely to be possible to pile enough equipment onto a Fawn or Acolyte to provide a noticeable buff, and I'm not sure anyone understands how the Sunite's deflection bonus is calculated, but it's unlikely to amount to much in light of the changes either.
Edit: Additionally, with regen not working in combat... neither does the Fawn, at all.
On that note though, perhaps the Phoera and Mystic Phoera need a look at their active bonus, as I'm not sure where +1000 to each of two stats on resurrection falls in the new meta. Possibly that's still strong enough for people who would choose this combination, I don't know.
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Pet will be upgradable to *legendary* with increase stat and new power.
Personnaly, I would like to see the Dancing Blade and Enrynies Have the same bonus. Both give crit severity but one is ar 5% max when the second is at 10%. At what level will it be at max level in mod 6 : 12,5% or 15% ?
If you wish to debate the stat changes, do so in a place OTHER than this thread. Thank you.
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At lvl 60 my CW had 12.7% LS, at lvl 61 that decreased to 9.9%, but even at 12.7% i barely seen any LS procs, prob since 3/4 of my encounters are AoE, yet when it proc'd i've seen ticks as low as 1k and as high as 100k. The way LS is now it will be possible to LS for millions, which is just pointless and it will also be possible to not LS for several minutes (happened to me).
I understand why the new LS makes more sense from a lore standpoint, but as a mechanic it's terrible and it has some serious flaws. Imagine someone stacking LS to 25% or even higher, which is possible even at a 400:1 ratio, that would result in the new LS being even more OP than the old one. Any DoT/proc-heavy build with 25%+ LS and Endless Consumption will be invincible, since it will be able to heal from 1 HP to 100% every couple of seconds.
Update:
Here's some math, why the new LS is much more OP than the old one:
9x r12 darks in def slots = 5400 LS
Boons = 450 LS
3x LS artifact (Belial + BI + Valindra) = 1500 LS @ r100 (3k? @ r140)
BiS Equipment = 1500 LS (way more if you want to max LS)
Tiamat 5th/6th/7th boon = +5% LS
Total so far: 8850 LS = 22.12% + 5% (Tiamat) = 27.12% LS chance
And now the class specific stuff:
HR:
+5% LS for a total of 32.12%
SW:
+1155 LS @ lvl 70 = +2.88%
+700 LS on crit = +1.75%
+5% LS from Aura of Cruelty
+3.9% LS @ max Soul Sparks
Total so far: 45.65% LS chance
If you really want to, you can build your SW completely around LS, maxing it everywhere possible, Draconic set or it's m6 equivalent, 5 Rings of revitalization, 4 LS artifacts, LS artifact equipment, etc. If you do this you should be able to achieve ~55% LS chance.
That alone with only 100% LS severity will make you pretty much invincible. Now add to that the reworked Temp SW capstone, which will result in your team having 55% "old" LS and your whole team will be invincible. A team with 2 Temp SWs will be more OP than anything we ever had before, the only way they would ever die if the entire team gets one-hited at the same time.
Update 2:
Forgot about 2 things available for every class:
- The reworked Lifedrinker, which is another +5% LS chance;
- The Metallic overload enchantment, which is +2k LS (+5%) for 20s every 60s.
Bug: Lifesteal
For some reason my LS got increased by 10% while i was in combat. Only seen it happen once, so i have no clue how to reproduce it.
Bug: Tiamat 5th boon (+3% LS)
It increases you LS by 4% instead of 3%.
Feedback: Regeneration
+ Higher out of combat regen. The only reason i had a couple of points in it on every toon is because i like the passive out of combat heal. (I don't use potions, i can't even remember the last time i bought any).
- The lack of in-combat regen makes tanking pretty much impossible. I understand that you want to make healers more relevant, esp that the OP has a healer path too, but this just kills the GF class entirely. A GF w/o regen needs to either use a ton of distilled potions / stones of health, or will need a DC to baby-sit him/her, which will probably (hopefully) result in the rest of the team dying. Since you will become more of a weakness than an assets, everyone will just take an OP instead, because it will have better aggro management capability and better sustain.
Feedback: 60+ stat curves
1. The transition from level 60 to 61 should be more graceful. Some stats are fine (ex. my 12k+ power at lvl 60 gives +78% and at lvl 61 +72%), but ArP and Def scales very badly. My ~2.9k ArP at lvl 60 is ~26%, while at lvl 61 it's ~52% (iirc). On the other hand, almost 1.7k defense at lvl 60 is ~25%, while at lvl 61 it's <9%.
2. It's not future proof. What will happen when in a couple of modules there will be another level cap increase and the stat curves need to be adjusted? We'll have 3 stat curves, then 4, then 5, and so on.
A better solution, imo, would be to have a stat curves that scale with your level and the max level. A very simple example:
1% = points_needed_for_stat_y * (YOUR_LVL / MAX_LVL)
This way no matter how many times you decide to raise the level cap you only need to change the MAX_LVL constant, and if you want to fine tune the stat curve, you change the points_needed_for_stat_y variable.
Update:
A better function:
1% = points_needed_for_stat_y * (YOUR_LVL / MAX_LVL) * stat_modifier
This would allow for additional fine tuning when needed. Stat_modifier can be a simple function, that prevents situations where a stat might reach 100% or some other ridiculous level (see LS example above).
Feedback: Item stats / sets
What will happen with the existing sets? Will they get updated? If not than the problem will be that a new lvl 60 green will have more stats than a T2 set piece. On the other hand, if they do get updated and there will be no better sets, then after reaching lvl 70 the only thing left to do is to refine, refine, refine and refine some more, which everyone had enough of already.
FEEDBACK: ALL of the ABOVE
Regeneration –
Currently Regeneration was not an issue in PVP due to healing depression, its only PVE where classes can NOW stack ALOT of regen which enables them to heal insane amounts during PVE. The hard part is, its balanced in PVP but too OP in PVE this is due to the shift with healing depression.
What I think would be a fair middle ground is NOT to remove Regen from combat altogether, but just dont have it START until uver 50% HP (down from 100%) and drop its full severity down to 25% (from 50%). Now meaning you dont start in combat regen until under 50% HP and the healing ticks start increasing as you go lower HP up to 25% where the healing ticks are "full strength". This allows regen to still be useful and not a wasted stat during combat - since not everyone has a pocket healer or plays with a healer.
I also dont like that this stat seems to replace the +healing stat which should be desired, however now why stack that when you can instead stack regen which gives MORE benefits than just +healing.
Life Steal –
I think its safe to say that people are not fond of this new mechanic. Not many people are in favor of RNG and I completely understand that lifesteal was TOO powerful on live, allowing classes to regen ALOT of HP on a reliable basis. I get that this change to RNG makes it less reliable making it more likely they will need a healer. The issue I see here is its RNG based and will EITHER be very OP or very underpowered. If a player has 10% lifesteal and doesnt get a proc, he will be very upset it didnt heal him, however if he DOES get a proc it will overheal him and make him invincible.
What I think needs to happen here is to put it BACK to a factor that procs/applies of EVERY hit, however instead of it scaling based on total damage output, instead based on something else entirely. Some have suggested weapon damage % (Instead of making Lifedrinker like Lifesteal, make lifesteal like lifedrinker) and others have suggested to keep it off of total damage, but turn the heals into a HoT instead of an up front type of thing. Either way, PLEASE remove the RNG from this and put it back to a more reliable although lower form of healing. Nothing is more frustrating than RNG!
Armor Penetration –
The main worry here is two fold. 1) In PVE no player would ever stack anything but dark enchants in offensive slots. Why bother having +400 Power when that only gets you 1% more damage when you get get 4% more ARP from 400 points. I like the fact that PVE mobs will have MUCH more DR which creates needs to debuffs and what not, however I think it would be MUCH more fair if the other options were more of a tradeoff rather than a hands down win....
2) PVP considerations. If classes are now going to have THIS much ARP, dont you think that will cause PVP issues? Especially with tankier classes that will feel as if they are wearing no armor at all?
Stat Curves –
By big concern here is there are stats that are clearly better than others. For instance I mentioned above Dark Enchants (ARP) versus Radiants (Power). This is ALSO an issue when comparing Defensive stats like: HP/Defense/Deflect. Currently with 400:1 its going to make NO sense to stack defense or deflect, Everyone is going to run around with Radiants in defensive slots for HP and Darks in offensive for ARP. It gives you the most bang for your buck hands down.
I would suggest instead of making everything 400:1 things need to be considered like you did with recovery being 200:1. Everything needs to offer comparable advantages just in different ways. For instance people have suggested making Defense 300:1 instead of 400:1% because this would then put in roughly on PAR with HP. This however makes deflect a VERY lack luster stat. Based on rough math, Deflect could be pegged at 200:1% (on par with recovery) which would allow for a ROUGH matchup of:
HP = Defense = Deflect rather than HP > Defense > Deflect.
Same goes for offensive with currently things like ARP > Crit > Power. With the current plan to make PVE mobs have 80%+ DR I dont see how someone would want to stack power unless you made the Stat (ARP) more like 300:1% ARP and then looked at making Power and Crit both ~ 250:1%. This puts things more on par with other stats. Given that we can get +900 stats on artifacts alone, putting ARP to 300:1% would still give you the opportunity to get 12% just on artifacts alone. Then another 16% from rank 12 in 8 offensive slots. Then looking at things like stats and what not, you will see some classes with close to 50% ARP when maxed out.
What this does is actualyl allows you to build in room for debuffs meaning you will never be able to max out ARP but will have to rely on debuffs which will make content harder AND give you more options for stats.