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Official Feedback Thread: Devoted Cleric Cap Raise
asterdahl
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Greetings Adventurers!
In conjunction with the forthcoming raise to the level cap, each class will see additions and adjustments. This content will gradually be made available on our preview shard. As it becomes available we would very much like to collect your feedback!
This thread will be focused on the Devoted Cleric. Initially only new class features and feats will be made available, however this thread will be updated alongside the preview shard in the future.
Class Features
The following class features will become available at 60 points.
Feats
The following feats will become available after investing 10 paragon points into the corresponding tree. Feats previously available at 10 points have been moved to 15, those available at 15 have been moved to 20, and so on.
Virtuous
Faithful
Righteous
In conjunction with the forthcoming raise to the level cap, each class will see additions and adjustments. This content will gradually be made available on our preview shard. As it becomes available we would very much like to collect your feedback!
This thread will be focused on the Devoted Cleric. Initially only new class features and feats will be made available, however this thread will be updated alongside the preview shard in the future.
Class Features
The following class features will become available at 60 points.
- Hastening Light: When you activate a Daily power all allies within 50' have their recharge times reduced by 1 second.
- Rank Up: -1 Second.
- Light of Divinity: Allies within 50' are slowly healed. This heal is divided evenly among allies who are damaged.
- Rank Up: +10% Heal.
Feats
The following feats will become available after investing 10 paragon points into the corresponding tree. Feats previously available at 10 points have been moved to 15, those available at 15 have been moved to 20, and so on.
Virtuous
- Gift of Haste: Your Heal Over Time powers also grant the target 1/2/3/4/5% of their AP when they are applied.
- Gift of Life: Your Heal Over Time effects heal for 5/10/15/20/25% more while you are at 100% health.
Faithful
- Gift of the Gods: You generate 5/10/15/20/25% more Divine Power.
- Final Acts: Your Power is increased by 10/20/30/40/50% while you are a below 30% HP.
Righteous
- Living Fire: When you are below 30% HP you deal 5/10/15/20/25% extra damage as Fire damage.
- Weapons of Light: Allies within 30' have their Power increased by 2/4/6/8/10% of your Power.
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We would like to collect as much feedback as possible regarding the changes and additions to the class. Given that, we would like you to categorize and color code your feedback so we can sort it and act on it most effectively! Please use the below format to submit bugs/feedback.
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Bug: Destroyer
Destroyer’s Purpose didn’t grant stacks while dealing damge.
Feedback: Sentinel
I feel like I don’t have enough tools to stay alive under fire now and it makes tanking too hard.
Please try to play for a few hours to get used to the changes.
Thank you again for all your help Adventurers! We look forward to hearing back from you!
Asterdahl
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It is supposed to reduce party's recharge times by 1 second per rank.It actually applies a 20 second buff that continuously fully resets cooldowns,making all encounters spammable for the duration.
Bug: Light of Divinity
Based on the description,this is an ongoing party heal.It is actually a 15 second HoT that activates when the DC casts a daily power.
Bug: Gift of Haste
This feat grants about 10 times the intended AP.
Could we get some useful feat for righteous path? Living fire would be good if it wasn't "below 30% hp". At least make it 50%, please, or change it for something with smaller, but more consistent benefit.
Weapons of light is not bad, feats for other paths sound kinda useful, but when comparing to other classes (gwf, tr, sw... they all have feats that make me envy) it feels like drawing a short straw.
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Hastening Light:
Currently gives a 20 second buff that reduces Cooldowns by 100% for all allies.
Light of Divinity:
Only applies by using a daily
Feedback
Feats
Virtuous
Faithful
Righteous
Heroic Feats
1. Hastening light having effect without slotting. Reducing all encounters CD to 2 secs when triggered for 10 sec+.
2. All AP gain from HoT skills (Divine Glow,Healing Word,Bastion of Health,D.SunBurst) when i feat Gift of Haste gone crazy.
3. Gift of Haste not giving any AP when DC under Hallowed Ground or Divine Armor. (Other alternative AP source such as Sigil of DC still working) (IMO, AP from feat should be allowed but AP from encounters can be removed under HG/DA)
4. Anointed Army gives huge amount of AP after cast. We can spam AA, BoH, AA, BoH continuesly atm.
5. The lightning effect on DC from Hastening Light keep sustaining till HG effects end (very irritating), DA doesnt have such problem.
Feedbacks:
1. Light of divinity should give at least a constant value of 1k at max rank for every one. It should be a stable healing aura that compensate for the old regen.
2. All feats that trigger below 45% should be rise higher. No DC will want to drop their HP to such conditions, and will never reach that low with their built in healing abilities.
Bug: Gift of Haste
Also procs on enemies.
The new feats "Final Acts" and "Living Fire" would be much improved if they functioned like the active bonus from Galeb Duhr ("Deal up to 10% more damage based on the percentage of damage you have taken.")
For instance:
Final Acts: Your Power is increased by 6/12/18/24/30% based on the percentage of damage you have taken.
Living Fire: Deal 3/6/9/12/15% extra damage as Fire damage based on the percentage of damage you have taken.
The percentages could be reduced even more from my suggestion and the result would still be more useful than their current form. Time below 30% HP is generally spent on defense.
feedback: heroic feats and dailies
in the following of mod 5, i think a rework of heroic feats and dailies can be done : some feats are completely useless as initiate of faith or domain synergy; and our dailies are underpowered than most of our meeting powers...
This feat is a waste of points. I spend the majority of the time, when under 30% HPs playign defensively. I"m either sliding running around waiting for healing potion cool down to end. I'm not even attacking at all.
Allow this feat to work all the time but change the damage gain to something like 4/8/12/16/20%
FEEDBACK: Weapons of Light
I also agree that his should also apply to the Cleric Himself. This is a DPS tree mainly to help the cleric to dish out damage.
It's useless, how am I going to use it at 30% health?
Instead, I propose to rework it like this:
Living Fire: Each time you are hit you gain a stack of Burning Soul, after receiving 10 stacks, you receive Living Fire, that deals 15% of the damage that you deal as fire damage. This effect last for 10 seconds, and you cannot reapply stacks of Burning Soul for 20 seconds after it triggers.
Feedback: Final Acts
It suffers from the same issues, either make it an increase in power based on damage taken, or increase the HP threshold but reduce the bonus.
I'll have to disagree with that proposed change, as 10 hits from any endgame content will easily put you below 30% health, and there isn't the lifesteal to reliably save you in this case.
It needs to flat out be a persistent effect.
Bugs:
1. Anointed Army still proc Gift of Haste without any reason.
2. Hallowed Ground + Hastening Light gives intense lag / map shake.
3. Hastening Light works without slotting.
4. Hastening Light still improper reset all skills and items cd after 2-3 seconds depending on its rank.
5. Profounds in Trades of Blade is showing T1 items (like previous).
6. Boons from pvp campaign doesnt show.
7. Flamestrike, Hallowed Ground, Divine Armor and Guardian of Faith is missing its T4 skill description.
8. Item level of BI set and artifacts gears are still 60 instead of higher.
9. Some T2 weapons (Fomorian Totemist symbol) weapon damage is lowered but some is buffed (PvP).
10. Divine Glow still not giving Plaguefire stacks as in Live server.
11. Light of Divinity is taking effect after using any daily but not in combat.
12. Gift of Haste still not giving AP when we use Hallowed Ground.
Suggestions:
1. For those long duration daily (HG/DA), pls remove the AP penalty as its rank 4 effect if you think further boosting its effect is overpowered.
2. For damaging daily, please add or lengthen the prone effect by 1 or 2 seconds.
3. At rank 3, Light of divinity only gives me 400 hp, dividing it by 5 person it will be 80hp heal every one or two seconds. This is ridiculously non-effective, it should be 400 hp per person and 2k heal to self when soloing dailies etc. Other paladin user states their aura is much more superior in healing (check their feedback please!!). Why should our highest class feature performed so bad like our highest level daily (Anointed Army) ??
Please fix these bugs and i will always ready to recheck further.
I think you mean Gift of Haste? Just making sure,so that it's not misleading to the devs.
Also,gift of haste still procs on enemies.
If Repurpose Soul were fixed, it would balance out the expect need for more healing throughput, especially for Righteous path DC's.
From my bug report posted 9-1-2013:
Issue #1
The DC feat Repurpose Soul does not proc from criticals of the following powers:
Flame Strike
Daunting Light
Chains of Binding Light
Issue #2
For all powers that do proc Repurpose Soul, the amount of healing is unaffected by Damage Resistance. That is, the heal amount is calculated as if the target has zero Damage Resistance.
This is particular a concern as we add Armor Penetration to our gear and have several class Damage Resist debuffs, we often end up with negative Damage Resistance on the target, so the heals from Repurpose Soul are sometimes significantly smaller than they should be for the amount of damage done.
It is not uncommon for me reduce a target's Damage Resist to -50% or more, meaning the effective damage (outside parenthesis) is 50% larger than the damage roll (in parenthesis) The heals are always calculated as 15% of the unmodified damage roll, regardless of the actual damage done, as if the target has zero DR. In rare circumstances, this does cause Repurpose Soul heals to be larger than they should be on high DR targets, but I find this to be very uncommon.
For example, I get this:
[Combat (Self)] Critical Hit! Your Sacred Flame deals 2424 (1939) Radiant to Flamespiker.
Your Repurpose Soul gives 291 Hit Points to you.
When I should get this:
[Combat (Self)] Critical Hit! Your Sacred Flame deals 2424 (1939) Radiant to Flamespiker.
Your Repurpose Soul gives 364 Hit Points to you.
Intuitively, when I land a crit, I would expect to see an orange number and a green number popup on my screen, and the green number would be 15% of the orange number. But this is not what is happening, as described above.
As per the Feats, I feel like final act is useless, especially for a Faithful DC.. we are NEVER below 30%. With our healing we are berely under 50% and even if we are it happens only for few seconds while we are sliding. So absolutely non sense (even if the numbers looks interesting).
Gift of the gods is quite nice, even if I think we already generate Divine power very fast.
In my opinion thye shuld be changes to something more usefull for a LVL 70 cap
I hope the lack of response should be enough hint to indicate that the changes are underwhelming and rework of the rework is in order. It's hard to get excited when there isn't much dps improvement from what I read.
The inherent delay of slow casting times and slow missile speeds is killing the DPS DC in PvP. Every other class is able to unleash a CC or a damage encounter in the span it takes to even start to cast a Break The Spirit, divine mode or otherwise. When we look at other classes on a PvP basis, we see that they have encounters that are mostly lacking in any sort of telegraphing or delay upon usage. There needs to be a massive speedup of all damage abilities for the cleric especially Prophecy of Doom, Daunting Light, Break the Spirit, and Chains of Blazing Light. The animation of these abilities in comparison to other classes highlights the inherent deficiencies in these animations.
There is also the problem of divinity (again). Every other class gets the necessary tools provided to them in every PvP encounter provided that their abilities are not on Cooldown. A DPS DC is hamstrung in this regard as they must remain stationary to gain divinity before even casting divine mode spells and then proceeding to use empowered versions. This inherent delay in actually using full potential is in stark contrast to other classes that have that full power in baseline abilities as they're available. If a DPS Cleric expends his Divinity in one encounter, and isn't provided an enemy to rebuild divinity before the end of the encounter, he is severely disadvantaged in the next fight. Avatar of the Divine needs to grant full Divinity when applied.
Bug: Empowered Break the Spirit
Not granting bonus damage upon use. (This was known since mod 5)
please be aware that the new class features, should be at least as good as the already existing ones, or almost nobody will use them. On my Preview tests the new class features felt much too weak to be useful in PvE, if I didn't count the increased effectiveness of the bugged ones in. Because I believe that these bugs will be fixed in the near future.
Also please don't exclude the DC itself from the effects that the new feats and features have. To get the DC back in endGame groups the DC needs the bonuses, that he granted to the group on himself, too.
Since action points are no longer accrued when a persistent Daily ability is in effect, this hits DCs harder than other classes. As we have a lot of longer lasting Dailies i.e. Hallowed Ground... Please think about the changing this to: "Action points are no longer accrued in the first 4 seconds a of persistent Daily ability". That would help to treat the DCs the same all other classes are treated.
Please make the empowerment sparks last longer. Currently it is 15 seconds. It would be cool, if the sparks would stay till they are spend or the character enters a new map.
I do think Hastening Light is WAI in its current state. It was bugged during the original patch when any Daily granted it for 20 sec. After the first patch (as I remember) it grants the buff on Daily activation and the buff lasts as long as the Daily lasts (HG ~15 sec, DA ~20 sec <- did not try it, rest just 1 tick on activation). W/ this fix, the no AP gain during Daily effect is fine and necessary or the class feature would be VERY OP. If it was not WAI in its current state then I agree w/ you.
I can not say anything about Light of Divinity as I have not tested it yet.
I would like a change where EP stacks are turned back into divinity on expiration: 1/3 pip/stack.
The other one is quit underpowered... the healing is way too low. In my opinion it should grant some aura, like increased incoming healing/outgoing healing (2,5% per point) or 1% deflect per point.. aniway, something that would be worth slotting.. as 400hp heal (if you are lucky) is too low
They do not consume divinity when cast in divine mode.
Feedback: Geas
This seems quite pointless...It's Banishment,just on a single target.The cd is short,but it breaks extremely fast.When fighting a bunch of adds,this is useless,as you cant really single out one specific add you want to keep out of the fight due to it being more dangerous or anything.You just burst everything down.This is the same reason why Prophecy of Doom is rarely used in such cases.This could be useful in boss fights,but I haven't been able to test if bosses are immune to it.It is a form of cc after all...Even if they aren't though,with everyone focusing the boss,this will just last a couple of seconds at best...In any case,I would not even consider replacing any encounter I use with this.It's just a cool little feature that doesn't have any actual impact...Maybe for troll premades in pvp....Get a dc with sunburst and this and an op with banishment and win a match by keeping your opponents off the base all game?
Feedback: Warding Flare
Hm...so basically this is a weaker empowered AS,but on a much longer cd and with a shorter duration. And the divine version cant be cast on yourself.Please consider making it buff the cleric when not targeting an ally.This way,it's not a "dead" ability when you are struggling to keep yourself alive,if the base encounter is on cd.
Divine Warding Flare do not drain Divinity. Instead spamming it in Divinity mode allows conserving the 3 charges to last indefinitely.
Question : Warding Flare
Is the animation of casting it using bow and arrow style a placeholder?
Feedback : AOE Snap to Feet
Is there anyway to toggle this? Or turn it off? It ruined alot of DC spells especially daunting light. It snaps to the feet of friendlies too. Your daunting light snap to friendlies instead of enemy mobs...And if you are suddenly blocked, the spell you meant to be cast at a distance shortened immediately. It is also very disorientating with the camera jerking up and down all the time... Please introduce a 1s delay before this takes effect. Also, please make AOE snap to feet work on stealthed enemies and follow tagged enemies automatically as they move.
Question : Black Ice empowerment
Is this turn on? I'm losing charges in Preview and I can't recharge them. I don't see the option when I right click on BI gears. In fact all menus from right clicking on items are not available. I have to drag them to my inventory first and even that I don't see the BI empower option.
Bug: Flame Strike
Bug: Hallowed Ground
Bug: Divine Armor
None of these can be upgraded to rank 4. The tooltip says "Nothing Defined."
Feedback: AOE Autotarget to Feet
This results in extremely jerky camera movement in close-range fights. The camera is always tugging down and spinning around with more than one melee enemy nearby.
Feedback: Weapons of Light (Righteous Path)
I feel that this should also apply to the cleric herself/himself.
Feedback: Templar's Domain (Heroic Feat)
This feat has a long internal cooldown, rendering it useless. The tooltip should at least mention it.
Feedback: Initiate of Faith (Heroic Feat)
For five points, it only gives 1% of power as crit. This is too low for the cost, especially at third tier.
Geas: Not consuming Divinity in Divine Mode.
Warding Flare: Not Consuming Divinity in Divine Mode.
Hastening Light: Not granting cooldown reduction. (Possibly only at rank 4)
Feedback: AOE autotarget
This ruins any tactical choice in aoe abilities such as Divine Glow where it's imperative to hit both allies and enemies. This cannot be simply done with this feature.
Feedback: Chains of Blazing Light
The Cast time is too long for Normal/Empowered Mode.
Feedback: Daunting Light
The Delay for this ability is far too long considering the comparable or higher instant damage other classes are capable of.
Feedback: Break The Spirit
The Cast animation for this ability is far too long for both Normal/Empowered and Divine mode considering the comparable or higher instant Crowd Control other classes are capable of.
Feedback: Geas
The Cast animation for this ability is far too long for both Normal/Empowered and Divine mode considering the comparable or higher instant Crowd Control other classes are capable of. There is also the fact that it's easily broken in either PvP or PvE, rendering this encounter completely useless. A single aoe target spell and the geas is broken. Make this spell redirect damage the target does to itself and others around it as in D&D the target under Geas is forced to do your will.
Feedback: Warding Flare
This is an extremely weak ability all things considered. It has less effective duration than Empowered Astral Shield, the Divine Mode is of no benefit to the Cleric himself, and the cooldown is astronomical. The only upside is the larger aoe, but that hardly makes up for the lower damage absorb of an empowered astral shield. This definitely needs a lower cooldown to be useful and divine mode needs to affect the cleric.
Feedback: Light Of Divinity
The healing from this ability is pitiful and this is not a good feature to choose. There needs to be massive bonus effects for choosing this, such as passive damage for enemies within Range to make it better for Righteous Clerics.
Feedback: Hastening Light
This is also a lacking feature given the lack of Action point Gain during Hallowed Ground and Divine Armor. There needs to be massive bonus effects for choosing this such as passive recharge speed increase and movement for only the cleric.
Feedback: Righteous (DPS) Cleric
Has not received any new powers that would provide any new bonus in either PvP or PvE. Geas is easily broken by either other people or the Fire of the Gods feat in addition to not providing damage whatsoever. Warding Flare is entirely lackluster in its effect in addition to having a much longer cooldown than astral shield. The new features are also entirely lackluster as they do not provide comparable benefit to current existing features. This means taking these features would result in lower DPS for both the Cleric and the Group.
Geas roots GWF even through unstoppable, ie, using unstoppable after have geas cast on you will not break your free and any geas cast on you while unstoppable will also root you
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