Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing artifact equipment, leveled not by way of RP but through use. Damage dealt would go to refining the weapon and cut down the need for purchasing bot farmed RP.
I like this idea, but maybe not damage dealt but more like XP from kills/quest completion as well as RP. That way you could BtA the RP stuff all you wanted to deal with the third party scum and get people re-interested in the game content. I wouldn't mind paying a lil $ for Zen to purchase some Arti gear XP Boosters or something of the like. Seems an idea like that would kill a lot of birds with one stone.
That is sort of the way it should be in my opinion also.. XP is for leveling. Let it level the artifact as well. (Not damage. You worked to get the artifact. It should be a leveled by DOING THINGS, not by RNG, or spending.)
Suggestion: Artifact gear should refine by gaining exp and leveling up by completing especial quests such as kill the dracolich, Fulminorax, Valindra, etc ( this dungeons are now obsolete and they should not because they are really fun, the devs should increase the difficulty now because we have more powerful gear available now). In the zen store people that want to spend money can buy "artifact experience packs" to level them up without grinding.
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chemboy613Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,521Arc User
edited November 2014
Results are stable it seems:
15% - Just glad to have bots gone (do agree they are a problem)
25% - upset because the cost of refining artifacts will now be too high
5% - Casual players without a real opinion (which is fine)
55% - upset enough to go play something else.
My only thought is that a decision THIS unpopular is bad for cryptic and bad for their player base. This DOES NOT mean any of those 80% like bots - i don't like bots - but rather the impact of this change on real people is too severe.
The best part of this thread are the great ideas that people have come up wtih. I wouldn't mind if most of those were implimented.
My favorites:
Turn EXP into RP (rewarded for quests and killing stuff)
Turn Glory into RP (rewarded for doing PvP)
and most favorite:
Reward a large amount of RP at the end of dungeons.
We should get rewarded for playing the game, not rewarded for mindlessly killing trash in foundries.
Thank everyone for your votes, support, and comments.
15% - Just glad to have bots gone (do agree they are a problem)
25% - upset because the cost of refining artifacts will now be too high
5% - Casual players without a real opinion (which is fine)
55% - upset enough to go play something else.
My only thought is that a decision THIS unpopular is bad for cryptic and bad for their player base. This DOES NOT mean any of those 80% like bots - i don't like bots - but rather the impact of this change on real people is too severe.
So do I play the part that says poll means nothing because forum is a small sample size and I should now present an imaginary poll with the opposite results that says everyone is happy about the direction?
So do I play the part that says poll means nothing because forum is a small sample size and I should now present an imaginary poll with the opposite results that says everyone is happy about the direction?
Well so is the playerbase and it's about to get smaller it seems.
Are you for real? "artifact experience packs". Don't give them any ideas. I'd like to see that make it live and see what that does to their precious playerbase.
They are in it for the money, any solution that is to "free" is never going to happen. Better to reach a middle ground
So do I play the part that says poll means nothing because forum is a small sample size and I should now present an imaginary poll with the opposite results that says everyone is happy about the direction?
You do know that is how polls work right? Through small sample sizes...
Pew polling and other companies dont call the whole country, they call a couple thousand people, and are fairly accurate with such a small sample size.
Just because a lot of people don't read forums, doesn't mean the poll is off.
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onecoolscatcatMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 575Arc User
Well so is the playerbase and it's about to get smaller it seems.
It happened in Mod3. I'm not surprised it's happening again. I urge my guildies to stick around 'till mod6, telling them changes are likely in the pipeline but won't be visible until then, but progressing and succeeding in this game has become a sisyphean task.
Task is the operative word. "Playing" Neverwinter certainly isn't enjoyable. Making refining points BtA raises the hill and new artifact gear increases the boulder's size. This is horrible for players, no matter which way you cut it.
You do know that is how polls work right? Through small sample sizes...
Pew polling and other companies dont call the whole country, they call a couple thousand people, and are fairly accurate with such a small sample size.
Just because a lot of people don't read forums, doesn't mean the poll is off.
You do know that is how polls work right? Through small sample sizes...
Pew polling and other companies dont call the whole country, they call a couple thousand people, and are fairly accurate with such a small sample size.
Just because a lot of people don't read forums, doesn't mean the poll is off.
It takes more than just calling a few random names in the phone book to create a poll with statistically valid results. There is such a thing as selection bias. And yes, the small sample size is also an issue.
chem's poll is certainly not statistically valid when it comes to measuring anything approaching the true opinions of the entire playerbase.
That doesn't mean the poll lacks all value, just that it should not be construed as something like "the will of the people".
So do I play the part that says poll means nothing because forum is a small sample size and I should now present an imaginary poll with the opposite results that says everyone is happy about the direction?
Show me. No, really.. Would love to see your poll with 80% (of as many participants) who want to scrape their own faces off with a cheese grater.
This is made of random people who care enough about the game to follow it on here, and to make a selection. No one was called or selected for the poll. 80% of the people on here, who care enough to say something about it, are not happy with the direction. The other 20% either don't care, or are extreme optimists (or have hidden agendas, but nevermind that.)
This poll is pure, unadulterated constructive feedback.
Binding certain aspects of the game that bots have taken advantage of will not exterminate the bots. It will change the focus of the bots to something else. They need a cohesive plan to combat the creation and implementation of the bots. This is like spraying water on ants, if you spray one window, they'll move to the next one, and then the next one. The bots have existed since Open Beta or before, every single time there is a run on a certain market by the bots, they bind that item. The bots then focus on the next item, and then that corresponding item is bound. Eventually, they're going to run out of items to bind and the bots will still exist.
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aulduronMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,351Arc User
edited November 2014
Add/greatly increase the drop rate of RP items from chests, DD chests, nodes, mobs and/or increase the RP value of those items.
Items dropped from Fey/Hoard should be auto pick up, like lock boxes, coupons, and all the stuff we don't want to pick up at all. I don't know how many I've left on the ground in group instances because I thought they were just another piece of HAMSTER.
I'm a player who has spent a lot of money and my artifacts are legendary.
So I just thought it's now time for me to sell the refining stones and enchants I pick up from dungeons.
So I got 3 hoard enchants and they cost me a lot and this is not the most important part.
The thing that really piz me off is cryptic is going to change all this stuff so I'm no longer able to sell what I pick up from hoard enchants......
Lowering the RP requirement is a good way to solve the problem , but that's for people who need to level up their artifacts.
Have cryptic devs ever considered players like me who already have upgraded all my artifacts?
Why can't I make some spare AD by using hoard anymore this is just dumb ,not trying to be offensive but this is really dumb to be honest.
The player base is going to be a lot smaller some in-game friends of mine have already decided to leave for another MMO online game and if I lose my friends I will probably leave as well.
Seriously, please do re-consider this because this is really a bad idea.
No one like bots, I'm the one who has reported hundreds of bots and hate them AF because of spamming.
But refining stones bound to account will also affect players like me who really love this game and play a lot.
The real poll will the your empty friends list after this goes live ........
what friend list?!!...
Like everyone else i am playing more on forums (this pvp mode is more fun atm) and gateway for ad farm! Game is in a lousy shape and i dont see anything good coming up. Takes real skill to destroy a game like this one, have to say that compared to you guys EA with Swtor seem like amateurs!
You say that 80% are against it, so it's reasonable to assume that those people are benefiting from these bot's. And 80% benefiting from this is serious enough to drastically change how people get their RP. All those AD that the botters make then get sold for real money, money that otherwise would be going to PWE. 80% is a huge number! No wonder they have to make these changes, it's the player's themselves that are the driving force behind it all. Something has to be done about it, plain and simple.
if the cryptic really make RP to BoA , IM DEAD !!! We still need to refine off-hand , artifact clock , artifact belt , that is gonna take me century of playing time to get them to epic .
So no words from the devs on this topic yet? I overheard some people say there would be a statement from the devs by yesterday. But guess that was just their optimism speaking...
So no words from the devs on this topic yet? I overheard some people say there would be a statement from the devs by yesterday. But guess that was just their optimism speaking...
Oh well, oh well.
One of the producer or somesuch guys said he'd forward the outcry to the devs first thing come Monday, that's all. I guess some people read too much into that.
If you want to be optimistic about it assume the matter is under discussion in the office but no decisions have been made yet.
One of the producer or somesuch guys said he'd forward the outcry to the devs first thing come Monday, that's all. I guess some people read too much into that.
If you want to be optimistic about it assume the matter is under discussion in the office but no decisions have been made yet.
Thanks for your response. Yeah, personally I haven't expected any further details on this let alone possible amendments/accommodations anytime soon.
Bots aren't malevolent money hungry people out to destroy Neverwinter.
Bots are tiny ants in an army of millions run by an industry that harvests gold from ALL online games.
You people are so cute. Trying to step on a few ants here and there. Let it go. There is nothing, you as a player, or Cryptic as a single company can do to thwart bots completely. The gaming industry as a whole can only ebb the tide here and there until there is an industry wide solution.
I know you all want to save the world from bots. But take a look at the real picture.
Each bot is not a person sitting behind a computer screen. Here are your bots:
The thread may treading on thin ice :P... there was a constructive threat that was removed mere minutes ago regarding the business models of f2p mmo's. I can see this thread going the way of the delete button soon.
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I like this idea, but maybe not damage dealt but more like XP from kills/quest completion as well as RP. That way you could BtA the RP stuff all you wanted to deal with the third party scum and get people re-interested in the game content. I wouldn't mind paying a lil $ for Zen to purchase some Arti gear XP Boosters or something of the like. Seems an idea like that would kill a lot of birds with one stone.
Suggestion: Artifact gear should refine by gaining exp and leveling up by completing especial quests such as kill the dracolich, Fulminorax, Valindra, etc ( this dungeons are now obsolete and they should not because they are really fun, the devs should increase the difficulty now because we have more powerful gear available now). In the zen store people that want to spend money can buy "artifact experience packs" to level them up without grinding.
15% - Just glad to have bots gone (do agree they are a problem)
25% - upset because the cost of refining artifacts will now be too high
5% - Casual players without a real opinion (which is fine)
55% - upset enough to go play something else.
My only thought is that a decision THIS unpopular is bad for cryptic and bad for their player base. This DOES NOT mean any of those 80% like bots - i don't like bots - but rather the impact of this change on real people is too severe.
The best part of this thread are the great ideas that people have come up wtih. I wouldn't mind if most of those were implimented.
My favorites:
Turn EXP into RP (rewarded for quests and killing stuff)
Turn Glory into RP (rewarded for doing PvP)
and most favorite:
Reward a large amount of RP at the end of dungeons.
We should get rewarded for playing the game, not rewarded for mindlessly killing trash in foundries.
Thank everyone for your votes, support, and comments.
Everything you need to know about CW:
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?780981-Chem-s-CW-Compendium-Everything-you-need-to-know
So do I play the part that says poll means nothing because forum is a small sample size and I should now present an imaginary poll with the opposite results that says everyone is happy about the direction?
Well so is the playerbase
They are in it for the money, any solution that is to "free" is never going to happen. Better to reach a middle ground
You do know that is how polls work right? Through small sample sizes...
Pew polling and other companies dont call the whole country, they call a couple thousand people, and are fairly accurate with such a small sample size.
Just because a lot of people don't read forums, doesn't mean the poll is off.
It happened in Mod3. I'm not surprised it's happening again. I urge my guildies to stick around 'till mod6, telling them changes are likely in the pipeline but won't be visible until then, but progressing and succeeding in this game has become a sisyphean task.
Task is the operative word. "Playing" Neverwinter certainly isn't enjoyable. Making refining points BtA raises the hill and new artifact gear increases the boulder's size. This is horrible for players, no matter which way you cut it.
My comment was ironic
It takes more than just calling a few random names in the phone book to create a poll with statistically valid results. There is such a thing as selection bias. And yes, the small sample size is also an issue.
chem's poll is certainly not statistically valid when it comes to measuring anything approaching the true opinions of the entire playerbase.
That doesn't mean the poll lacks all value, just that it should not be construed as something like "the will of the people".
Show me.
This is made of random people who care enough about the game to follow it on here, and to make a selection. No one was called or selected for the poll. 80% of the people on here, who care enough to say something about it, are not happy with the direction. The other 20% either don't care, or are extreme optimists (or have hidden agendas, but nevermind that.)
This poll is pure, unadulterated constructive feedback.
EDIT-
Aaah.. well, nevermind then. =D But the poll should still be of some value to the folks who make the decisions.
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Items dropped from Fey/Hoard should be auto pick up, like lock boxes, coupons, and all the stuff we don't want to pick up at all. I don't know how many I've left on the ground in group instances because I thought they were just another piece of HAMSTER.
Give us blood rubies once we get 80 power points.
So I just thought it's now time for me to sell the refining stones and enchants I pick up from dungeons.
So I got 3 hoard enchants and they cost me a lot and this is not the most important part.
The thing that really piz me off is cryptic is going to change all this stuff so I'm no longer able to sell what I pick up from hoard enchants......
Lowering the RP requirement is a good way to solve the problem , but that's for people who need to level up their artifacts.
Have cryptic devs ever considered players like me who already have upgraded all my artifacts?
Why can't I make some spare AD by using hoard anymore this is just dumb ,not trying to be offensive but this is really dumb to be honest.
The player base is going to be a lot smaller some in-game friends of mine have already decided to leave for another MMO online game and if I lose my friends I will probably leave as well.
Seriously, please do re-consider this because this is really a bad idea.
No one like bots, I'm the one who has reported hundreds of bots and hate them AF because of spamming.
But refining stones bound to account will also affect players like me who really love this game and play a lot.
what friend list?!!...
Like everyone else i am playing more on forums (this pvp mode is more fun atm) and gateway for ad farm! Game is in a lousy shape and i dont see anything good coming up. Takes real skill to destroy a game like this one, have to say that compared to you guys EA with Swtor seem like amateurs!
You seriously belive that, aren't you?
Oh well, oh well.
One of the producer or somesuch guys said he'd forward the outcry to the devs first thing come Monday, that's all. I guess some people read too much into that.
If you want to be optimistic about it assume the matter is under discussion in the office but no decisions have been made yet.
Thanks for your response. Yeah, personally I haven't expected any further details on this let alone possible amendments/accommodations anytime soon.
Bots aren't malevolent money hungry people out to destroy Neverwinter.
Bots are tiny ants in an army of millions run by an industry that harvests gold from ALL online games.
You people are so cute. Trying to step on a few ants here and there. Let it go. There is nothing, you as a player, or Cryptic as a single company can do to thwart bots completely. The gaming industry as a whole can only ebb the tide here and there until there is an industry wide solution.
I know you all want to save the world from bots. But take a look at the real picture.
Each bot is not a person sitting behind a computer screen. Here are your bots:
I basically just do Leadership now for some modest Ad and play other games.
In the past I have spent much money on this great game, but the uber grind is far too daunting now.
This game has SO much potential, but seems to be going in completely the wrong direction. Sad.