SHOW ME. If you go back through this thread there is a link to the CEO Interview where he specifically stated that classes will always be free. He never mentioned races even once. So if you say a Dev (or other official) have stated races will always be free then put your edify us all and remove all doubt about your own authority on the subject and post a link to the comment.
Note that spoken information during lifestreams and podcasts are always consider rumor or "roadmap" information and nothing more. It it's not in writing it's rumor at best.
So please: show us.
While I don't like the way they did the race this time. (I think there should be a plan for 2 versions if they want to bundle one into a pack) I'm always sceptical when someone says that the dev's lied, broke a promise, etc etc etc. It's very rare for that to happen so I agree, this needs to be shown.
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sybonniMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 17Arc User
edited August 2014
Probably not initially. Like the Menzo Drow weren't available to all at first
Over at MMORPG.com, they had a guided tour to module 4 with Rob Obermeyer, the executive producer, and mentioned the following:
The Dragonborn is part of the Dragonborn Legend Pack, however, and, though Rob said it is a likely addition for the in-game store, there are no details as to when yet.
Thats hardly a defintive statement, but as the quote says, it's "likely".
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diabovelhoMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 2Arc User
That link works for me, so I don't know what to tell you.
What do you get when you click on it? It may be a temporary problem with your ISP. I get that now and then and cannot connect to certain things for a while.
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I got a Page Not Found. Tested with my 4g and the same message appears.
Have no clue what to do!
Then, in the top image set, scroll across until you find: Tyranny of Dragons - Become a Dragonborn Legend
Unleash the power of the Dragonborn and become a Legend in Neverwinter with the Dragonborn Legend Pack. Read more
Scroll down until you find: Whether you’re new to Neverwinter or an experienced adventurer, you won’t want miss out on all the exclusive items in the Dragonborn Legend Pack. Head here to purchase the Dragonborn Legend Pack on ArcGames.com and get 25% off!
Where you can buy it for €71.00 (or in USD if you are in the States).
Maybe you can get through to it that way?
If not, you may have some browser settings or antivirus settings stopping you reaching it. Or some problem wth your ISP.
I have a 4GEE Mobile Dongle, and it is SO much faster than my old 3G. But, sometimes, I get very bad connection speed and inability to reach some web sites. But it usually does not last for more than a few hours and luckily does not happen all that often.
Cleaned cache and also tried IE, nothing.
Anyone have other link or a solution?
are you by any chance in Brazil?
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charkanramonMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 51Arc User
edited August 2014
Only the package hero of the north is available for sale in the Arc for Brazilians. I hate this restriction because of our nationality. All of us are losing the promotion of this package.
I can only access the purchase page by Proxy. But I do not trust him to risk putting my personal data.
No, they are cosmetic. You do not need any single race to complete the leveling content in the game - the game basically plays exactly the same way no matter which race you choose, save for a couple variances in how mobs are handled - which are so negligible you must read log files to see anything of it. Please get over yourself on how a race is not only cosmetic.
As for "indication" that classes *AND RACES" never being "store items" (costing any money or Zen) SHOW ME. If you go back through this thread there is a link to the CEO Interview where he specifically stated that classes will always be free. He never mentioned races even once.
UPDATE: I did it for you because it's it's often a cop-out to tell someone "go look it up" - so I present the links below - I put my money where my mouth is, it's only fair that you do the same. I am NOT debunking you. I am simply saying I don't trust your words as you say them so please back them up. (Okay, yes, I am debunking you. Always truthful is the best policy, I suppose.)
ok taken me a while to hunt down the proof i cant find the exact post it was around the time HOTN was released and there was an uproar about having to pay money for a race anyway theres a faq forum post i found hope i link it right
ok taken me a while to hunt down the proof i cant find the exact post it was around the time HOTN was released and there was an uproar about having to pay money for a race anyway theres a faq forum post i found hope i link it right
ok taken me a while to hunt down the proof i cant find the exact post it was around the time HOTN was released and there was an uproar about having to pay money for a race anyway theres a faq forum post i found hope i link it right
As Charononus says they are referring to races at launch. Look, I'm not trying to be mean or give anyone a 'beat-down', and I know that often Cryptic's communications can be confusing. Here's what I am saying: it's no secret I am a Cryptic fan, but they've earned that from me over the last five years as a customer. - and I do mean Cryptic Studios, Perfect World is still new to me.
I am also an 'older <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>' - I have more life experience than many players here and I've learned a lot of empathy over the years (putting myself into others' shoes) - so I always remember these people at Cryptic are human. Sure, they f*ckup sometimes, and they can make some royally bad decisions, too. Most of how their revenue generation methods on this game is a grand experiment (it's never been done before the way they are doing it). So far it must be pretty successful.
Because of all this (my perspectives on the company) I am a Cryptic "news junkie" and follow everything there is to follow informationally-speaking. When they talk, I listen. And I remember. I'm not saying I'm always right or remember correctly. However, on the issue of classes and races always being free as per statements from Cryptic: that's a biggie and many of us do remember it pretty clearly.
In the end the official word is that classes will always be free, which makes sense as it's not a 'cosmetic-only' aspect of the game (it actually affects game play). Races on the other hand really are nothing more than cosmetic when you think about it and when you look back to launch one race was purchase-only: the Drow.
Granted, the Drow was released as a free race three months later (if counting from open beta). Now Dragonborn is a purchasable race, but unlikely that a free version will be released. Though I still feel there is a strong *possibility* that a less-costly option will come a bit later. In fact, as a purchaser of the Legend pack that sells for $99 I hereby petition a request that Cryptic do release a less costly package for players wanting the Dragonborn but cannot afford this package.
miniar0isMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited August 2014
I'm annoyed and disappointed..
I would like to play this race, but the price... it's way too high...
I would pay, maybe up to 30 euro, but 70?
The 30 slot bag is tempting, but not 40 euros worth of tempting.. -.-
As Charononus says they are referring to races at launch. Look, I'm not trying to be mean or give anyone a 'beat-down', and I know that often Cryptic's communications can be confusing. Here's what I am saying: it's no secret I am a Cryptic fan, but they've earned that from me over the last five years as a customer. - and I do mean Cryptic Studios, Perfect World is still new to me.
I am also an 'older <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>' - I have more life experience than many players here and I've learned a lot of empathy over the years (putting myself into others' shoes) - so I always remember these people at Cryptic are human. Sure, they f*ckup sometimes, and they can make some royally bad decisions, too. Most of how their revenue generation methods on this game is a grand experiment (it's never been done before the way they are doing it). So far it must be pretty successful.
Because of all this (my perspectives on the company) I am a Cryptic "news junkie" and follow everything there is to follow informationally-speaking. When they talk, I listen. And I remember. I'm not saying I'm always right or remember correctly. However, on the issue of classes and races always being free as per statements from Cryptic: that's a biggie and many of us do remember it pretty clearly.
In the end the official word is that classes will always be free, which makes sense as it's not a 'cosmetic-only' aspect of the game (it actually affects game play). Races on the other hand really are nothing more than cosmetic when you think about it and when you look back to launch one race was purchase-only: the Drow.
Granted, the Drow was released as a free race three months later (if counting from open beta). Now Dragonborn is a purchasable race, but unlikely that a free version will be released. Though I still feel there is a strong *possibility* that a less-costly option will come a bit later. In fact, as a purchaser of the Legend pack that sells for $99 I hereby petition a request that Cryptic do release a less costly package for players wanting the Dragonborn but cannot afford this package.
And I've said vehemently that there should be an ala carte version of the race for 15-30.00, that the pack at first wasn't worth it to anyone and shouldn't be bought by anyone, that the fact that we'll be beta testing the pack on the live server as it was never on preview is horrible and shouldn't have happened. You get the idea. I have no issue calling out what I see as massive glaring flaws, I'm also not the most tactful human being to ever walk the planet. I've been called as subtle as a sledgehammer. And I don't see anything to call out about them breaking a promise etc about races being free.
Well we all know here they are out to make money, by the way. nice to be in a forum that has class. But yes since they invest a lot of money in development and they have to make a profit to make investors happy. I don't blame them for charging for a race. But they could have different tier packages, with different goodies. But to play the race shouldn't be over 20 bucks. Heck even be honest and say play now or wait 6 months down the road
I bought my discounted dragonborn pack, because its a good offer. If you equate that stuff into likely zen prices of the same items were they available in the zen store, its cheap.
As well as all the other stuff, some of it is **** good too. Some people might not be able to afford the pack, and for that i am truly sorry. However that doesn't alter the fact that when you compare it to anything else you can buy from the in game store its still a good deal. People just want everything cheaper.
" Experience is a hard mistress, she gives the tests first, and the lessons after... "
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tebianMember, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 7Arc User
edited August 2014
ive brought the pack i can reclaim the items but i cannot create a dragonborn pc; Why?, How i redeem it?
ive brought the pack i can reclaim the items but i cannot create a dragonborn pc; Why?, How i redeem it?
I submitted a bug report and they came back saying it was a known issue that is being looked into. A little frustrating since I was also unable to create one on the test server weeks ago and submitted multiple trouble calls which ended in them referring me to a useless forum.
Hopefully this will be patched sometime later today.
I submitted a bug report and they came back saying it was a known issue that is being looked into. A little frustrating since I was also unable to create one on the test server weeks ago and submitted multiple trouble calls which ended in them referring me to a useless forum.
Makes you think that Cryptic never released a new race before.
But why test when, despite all the problems people spend money anyway? Obviously they are ok with it.
The pack is now available on the Zen store...so looks like it is "free" of course the exchange is now going to spiral out of control even more....I can see it hitting $1 million needed to clear in a couple days...oh boy
Granted, the Drow was released as a free race three months later (if counting from open beta). Now Dragonborn is a purchasable race, but unlikely that a free version will be released. Though I still feel there is a strong *possibility* that a less-costly option will come a bit later. In fact, as a purchaser of the Legend pack that sells for $99 I hereby petition a request that Cryptic do release a less costly package for players wanting the Dragonborn but cannot afford this package.
The pack is now available on the Zen store...so looks like it is "free" of course the exchange is now going to spiral out of control even more....I can see it hitting $1 million needed to clear in a couple days...oh boy
The devs said that Dragonborn won't be made free. You still have to pay 7500 Zen for them (so the discount price became the regular one. Feel ripped off yet?)
I only wonder if they at one point sell the Dragonborn separately. But considering the business practices I have seen from Cryptic (or rather their Neverwinter team) I think not.
I understand that you guys need to make money. Servers need bandwidth, the people working need paychecks, and beef needs to be stocked for taco Tuesday in the cafeteria. I don't mind paywalls as long as they're optional and reasonably priced.
The problem I have is the fact that the pay races are put behind LARGE paywalls. I have no problems with paying for a race, but I don't want to have to spend $60+ on a pack of items I don't care about or am not going to use. Why exactly can't we just buy the races by themselves for a reasonable price?
And yes, I know, Dragonborns are going to be an exception, as they're brand new, but I shouldn't have to pay TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS to gain access to the Menzoberranzan Renegade. That's just absurd.
yes it costs zen but my point it is still "free" no real money for it now. which I am surprised they did
Every zen you see in the game was paid for with real money. It is only free in a sense that someone else paid for it but in Cryptics view they receive the same amount of money.
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While I don't like the way they did the race this time. (I think there should be a plan for 2 versions if they want to bundle one into a pack) I'm always sceptical when someone says that the dev's lied, broke a promise, etc etc etc. It's very rare for that to happen so I agree, this needs to be shown.
Thats hardly a defintive statement, but as the quote says, it's "likely".
I got a Page Not Found. Tested with my 4g and the same message appears.
Have no clue what to do!
And you have an Arc account set up? Have you purchased Zen before?
Try going to the top of this page and clicking on:
< Back to Game News
That should take you to:
http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/neverwinter/news
Then, in the top image set, scroll across until you find:
Tyranny of Dragons - Become a Dragonborn Legend
Unleash the power of the Dragonborn and become a Legend in Neverwinter with the Dragonborn Legend Pack.
Read more
Click on Read More and that should take you to:
http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/neverwinter/news/detail/6005753-tyranny-of-dragons-become-a-dragonborn-legend
Scroll down until you find:
Whether you’re new to Neverwinter or an experienced adventurer, you won’t want miss out on all the exclusive items in the Dragonborn Legend Pack. Head here to purchase the Dragonborn Legend Pack on ArcGames.com and get 25% off!
Click on here and that should take you to:
http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/neverwinter/game-pack/detail/495-dragonborn-legend-pack
Where you can buy it for €71.00 (or in USD if you are in the States).
Maybe you can get through to it that way?
If not, you may have some browser settings or antivirus settings stopping you reaching it. Or some problem wth your ISP.
I have a 4GEE Mobile Dongle, and it is SO much faster than my old 3G. But, sometimes, I get very bad connection speed and inability to reach some web sites. But it usually does not last for more than a few hours and luckily does not happen all that often.
Good Luck!
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are you by any chance in Brazil?
I can only access the purchase page by Proxy. But I do not trust him to risk putting my personal data.
ok taken me a while to hunt down the proof i cant find the exact post it was around the time HOTN was released and there was an uproar about having to pay money for a race anyway theres a faq forum post i found hope i link it right
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?18401-Archive-Neverwinter-Extended-FAQ&p=297621&viewfull=1#post297621
ROFLMAO!!!!
As Charononus says they are referring to races at launch. Look, I'm not trying to be mean or give anyone a 'beat-down', and I know that often Cryptic's communications can be confusing. Here's what I am saying: it's no secret I am a Cryptic fan, but they've earned that from me over the last five years as a customer. - and I do mean Cryptic Studios, Perfect World is still new to me.
I am also an 'older <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>' - I have more life experience than many players here and I've learned a lot of empathy over the years (putting myself into others' shoes) - so I always remember these people at Cryptic are human. Sure, they f*ckup sometimes, and they can make some royally bad decisions, too. Most of how their revenue generation methods on this game is a grand experiment (it's never been done before the way they are doing it). So far it must be pretty successful.
Because of all this (my perspectives on the company) I am a Cryptic "news junkie" and follow everything there is to follow informationally-speaking. When they talk, I listen. And I remember. I'm not saying I'm always right or remember correctly. However, on the issue of classes and races always being free as per statements from Cryptic: that's a biggie and many of us do remember it pretty clearly.
In the end the official word is that classes will always be free, which makes sense as it's not a 'cosmetic-only' aspect of the game (it actually affects game play). Races on the other hand really are nothing more than cosmetic when you think about it and when you look back to launch one race was purchase-only: the Drow.
Granted, the Drow was released as a free race three months later (if counting from open beta). Now Dragonborn is a purchasable race, but unlikely that a free version will be released. Though I still feel there is a strong *possibility* that a less-costly option will come a bit later. In fact, as a purchaser of the Legend pack that sells for $99 I hereby petition a request that Cryptic do release a less costly package for players wanting the Dragonborn but cannot afford this package.
I would like to play this race, but the price... it's way too high...
I would pay, maybe up to 30 euro, but 70?
The 30 slot bag is tempting, but not 40 euros worth of tempting.. -.-
And I've said vehemently that there should be an ala carte version of the race for 15-30.00, that the pack at first wasn't worth it to anyone and shouldn't be bought by anyone, that the fact that we'll be beta testing the pack on the live server as it was never on preview is horrible and shouldn't have happened. You get the idea. I have no issue calling out what I see as massive glaring flaws, I'm also not the most tactful human being to ever walk the planet. I've been called as subtle as a sledgehammer. And I don't see anything to call out about them breaking a promise etc about races being free.
I bought my discounted dragonborn pack, because its a good offer. If you equate that stuff into likely zen prices of the same items were they available in the zen store, its cheap.
The race itself? Account wide 30 slot bag? Account wide artifact?
As well as all the other stuff, some of it is **** good too. Some people might not be able to afford the pack, and for that i am truly sorry. However that doesn't alter the fact that when you compare it to anything else you can buy from the in game store its still a good deal. People just want everything cheaper.
Same problem...
You can't. Cryptic screwed up.
I submitted a bug report and they came back saying it was a known issue that is being looked into. A little frustrating since I was also unable to create one on the test server weeks ago and submitted multiple trouble calls which ended in them referring me to a useless forum.
Hopefully this will be patched sometime later today.
Makes you think that Cryptic never released a new race before.
But why test when, despite all the problems people spend money anyway? Obviously they are ok with it.
The devs said that Dragonborn won't be made free. You still have to pay 7500 Zen for them (so the discount price became the regular one. Feel ripped off yet?)
I only wonder if they at one point sell the Dragonborn separately. But considering the business practices I have seen from Cryptic (or rather their Neverwinter team) I think not.
The problem I have is the fact that the pay races are put behind LARGE paywalls. I have no problems with paying for a race, but I don't want to have to spend $60+ on a pack of items I don't care about or am not going to use. Why exactly can't we just buy the races by themselves for a reasonable price?
And yes, I know, Dragonborns are going to be an exception, as they're brand new, but I shouldn't have to pay TWO HUNDRED DOLLARS to gain access to the Menzoberranzan Renegade. That's just absurd.
Every zen you see in the game was paid for with real money. It is only free in a sense that someone else paid for it but in Cryptics view they receive the same amount of money.
I doubt it considering the current ZAX backlog.