Why GWF defensive stats bigger and better than GF? its so wrong!

re7joice · May 2014

GWF with 3k defense 45% damage reduction
GF with 4.8k defense 48% damage reduction

GWF with 2k deflection 40% deflection chance
GF with 2k deflection 20% deflection chance, 25% if have plate agility feat, oh.. and i have 18 dex.

I just notice this. this is very wrong.................

GF defensive stats should be better and bigger than GWF because GWF has much better DPS.

ripyourlipsoff · May 2014

Then add in Unstoppable, free arp, unstoppable recovery 5% max hp, massive crit chance... Its dumb, just dumb... The 2 classes should be almost identical albeit one spec for shield and sword the other specs for 2 hander.

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ripyourlipsoff · May 2014

mateodiscus wrote: »

Not that I am disagreeing with everything typed here. But I am tired of GF's complaining that GWF's get free armor pen. You get it too. Its called dex for GF's and con for GWF'S.

And when a GWF has def stats like that, hes going to hit for HAMSTER just as much as you are. He has to feat heavily into senti to achieve that.

Brother slow down.... Its called Disciple of War feat in the Destroyer path. Also GWF gain more per stat then a GF.

Also Dex does not help a GF in the same way as a GWF we don't get ARp / Crit, we get deflection and aoe resist!

ripyourlipsoff · May 2014

mateodiscus wrote: »

Not that I am disagreeing with everything typed here. But I am tired of GF's complaining that GWF's get free armor pen. You get it too. Its called dex for GF's and con for GWF'S.

And when a GWF has def stats like that, hes going to hit for HAMSTER just as much as you are. He has to feat heavily into senti to achieve that.

GWf have maybe 5%-7% less DR then a GF in top gear! With amazing Offensive stats! They do not hit for HAMSTER... A GWF would have to equip a lvl 40 weapon and may still hit harder!

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ripyourlipsoff · May 2014

re7joice wrote: »

Im not talking about offensive stat, its natural GWF have better offensive stats. But how a GF can have 40% deflection?

He would have to race spec out of strength or Constitution for DEX, and get defensive Defelction enchants, and also select plate agility for another 5% and then maybe he could get 40%? I don't think he could unless he was ridiculously gimped in dps!

So your end result would be a GF with low Guard or HP, with no offense poor recovery no crit, low arp and 5000 defense and 35-40% deflection! It would be silly like a clown at the circus this GF I bet would only have maybe 7% higher DR then the GWF with full offensive stats!

str8slayer · May 2014

I'm surprised they never changed how defense, deflect and crit scaled for the GF, increasing the scaling probably would've solved at least half the problems GF's have today... The other half, of course, would be in re-balancing attributes, powers and feats.

OTOH I'm surprised they didn't decrease (if only by a small margin) the scaling for the same stats on GWF.

ripyourlipsoff · May 2014

str8slayer wrote: »

I'm surprised they never changed how defense, deflect and crit scaled for the GF, increasing the scaling probably would've solved at least half the problems GF's have today... The other half, of course, would be in re-balancing attributes, powers and feats.

OTOH I'm surprised they didn't decrease (if only by a small margin) the scaling for the same stats on GWF.

Agreed, the GF should have high Def / Defl and low dps, the GWf should have low Def / Defl and high dps but they do not they have it all and a bag of sugar puffs too!

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beckylunatic · May 2014

mateodiscus wrote: »

Why don't you check what disciple of war feat actually does for a GWF before you start spouting nonsense.

Just to clarify what is being said here, the Calc is outdated, and that feat now gives MOAR POWER.

ripyourlipsoff · May 2014

beckylunatic wrote: »

Just to clarify what is being said here, the Calc is outdated, and that feat now gives MOAR POWER.

Oh well then I may be mistaken then! Where do GWF get ARP for free then?

ripyourlipsoff · May 2014

mateodiscus wrote: »

Like everybody that qq's you are taking what I said out of context. For a GWF to have the defensive stats the OP listed he would have to be heavily specced for it, and he would hit for HAMSTER if he was specced that way.

No he would not! GWF in fully specced offensive juggernaught have maybe what 38%- 40% DR? Compared to a GF with 45%-50%

beckylunatic · May 2014

ripyourlipsoff wrote: »

Oh well then I may be mistaken then! Where do GWF get ARP for free then?

Constitution stat, like putting points in Dex for GFs, as someone stated above.

ripyourlipsoff · May 2014

beckylunatic wrote: »

Constitution stat, like putting points in Dex for GFs, as someone stated above.

Ahh so they took the feat away, but you still get free Armor pen then. Same same! Wish us GFs got some free stuff lmao

beckylunatic · May 2014

But GFs get armor pen (=resistance ignored) if you put points into Dexterity, which is the point I think people have been trying to make to you.

Incidentally, if you actually want a max-DPS GWF then you put all your assignable points in Str and Dex and just take your initial Con roll and the points from levels 30 and 60 and call it good.

ripyourlipsoff · May 2014

beckylunatic wrote: »

But GFs get armor pen (=resistance ignored) if you put points into Dexterity, which is the point I think people have been trying to make to you.

Incidentally, if you actually want a max-DPS GWF then you put all your assignable points in Str and Dex and just take your initial Con roll and the points from levels 30 and 60 and call it good.

Yea, to put points in DEX really gimps us as Strength is all we really got as a primary stat and CON I may try it again but I don't think I / we could put enough points in DEX to make a difference.

ripyourlipsoff · May 2014

cookiecrisp15 wrote: »

the amount of nosense u write in every thread is just ridiculous

It wasn't nonsense at all! It was a fact and was changed yet they still get free arp!

cookiecrisp15 · May 2014

ripyourlipsoff wrote: »

It wasn't nonsense at all! It was a fact and was changed yet they still get free arp!

why you just dont go and l2p instead of spaming forum with QQ all day long?
you think it ill make things better or what?

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ripyourlipsoff · May 2014

cookiecrisp15 wrote: »

why you just dont go and l2p instead of spaming forum with QQ all day long?
you think it ill make things better or what?

I am not the only GF / CW player that is complaining! I think your attempts to troll me are getting old...

cookiecrisp15 · May 2014

ripyourlipsoff wrote: »

I am not the only GF / CW player that is complaining! I think your attempts to troll me are getting old...

talking with pugs is so pointless nowdays.

otong39 · May 2014

cookiecrisp15 wrote: »

why you just dont go and l2p instead of spaming forum with QQ all day long?
you think it ill make things better or what?

Roll a GF before you talk about l2p stuff (If you have rolled a GF im sorry). Doesnt matter how much you l2p, with the same gear level, a PvP spec'd GWF would stomp a PvP spec'd GF. Any day

Note: Except the GWF is using GPF and keep attacking while we're blocking with SoS activated, we might have a chance to win.

lvl99looter · May 2014

I've been said ALL of this in my long a** Guardian Fighter Review. I also explain how the skill level required to be DECENT GF, far exceeds the skills required for other classes.

I want you guys to imagine something. Imagine ALL the GF's in the game who struggle to be successful, constantly training, practicing, perfecting they're combat skills, respec'ing to maximize their performance. These GF's have come so far, to the point their able to be a threat in PvP because they have skill which they work REALLY hard for. Pretend these GF's are being held back by chains, and these chains represent the imbalance of PvP, and all the flaws GF's have to deal with, and overcome. Constantly fighter classes more powerful than them, but grow and learn from each encounter with these classes.

My question is simple. "What do you think would happen if those chains were removed?" If GF's can already cause a little bit of trouble, WITH the chains. What do you think would happen in PvP if player's skills weren't limited by the chains? Who do you think would dominate?

maxiumdan · May 2014

Ant, remember back with tenebrous enchants proc'ing all the time. People where 1-2 shotted and QQ, and they nerfed that.

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emilemo · May 2014

Dang it folks, why cant you refrain from turning a legitimate 'buff this' thread into a spiteful 'nerf that' thread ? Behave.

bucklittle · May 2014

I don't get it, this guy is complaining GF 'only' have 5-7% more DR? That comes out to around 13% less damage taken.

ripyourlipsoff wrote: »

So your end result would be a GF with low Guard or HP, with no offense poor recovery no crit, low arp and 5000 defense and 35-40% deflection! It would be silly like a clown at the circus this GF I bet would only have maybe 7% higher DR then the GWF with full offensive stats!

Full offensive stats? Your looking at closer to 12% higher DR. GFs generally top out around 47% DR, although they can go over 50%. Offensive stat GWF will have around 35% DR. The GF ends up being a 18.5% less damage taken with more HPs.

kattefjaes · May 2014

lvl99looter wrote: »

I've been said ALL of this in my long a** Guardian Fighter Review. I also explain how the skill level required to be DECENT GF, far exceeds the skills required for other classes.

I want you guys to imagine something. Imagine ALL the GF's in the game who struggle to be successful, constantly training, practicing, perfecting they're combat skills, respec'ing to maximize their performance. These GF's have come so far, to the point their able to be a threat in PvP because they have skill which they work REALLY hard for. Pretend these GF's are being held back by chains, and these chains represent the imbalance of PvP, and all the flaws GF's have to deal with, and overcome. Constantly fighter classes more powerful than them, but grow and learn from each encounter with these classes.

My question is simple. "What do you think would happen if those chains were removed?" If GF's can already cause a little bit of trouble, WITH the chains. What do you think would happen in PvP if player's skills weren't limited by the chains? Who do you think would dominate?

TRs, obviously. I'm really not sure what you're smoking any more.

1 of the Dinosaur Ketamine Masters

oicidraz · May 2014

bucklittle wrote: »

I don't get it, this guy is complaining GF 'only' have 5-7% more DR? That comes out to around 13% less damage taken.

Full offensive stats? Your looking at closer to 12% higher DR. GFs generally top out around 47% DR, although they can go over 50%. Offensive stat GWF will have around 35% DR. The GF ends up being a 18.5% less damage taken with more HPs.

What?, GF doesn't have more HP than a GWF, also, you just see DR (but GWF have great Deflect Chance), and you don't consider that you scale Deflect Chance and DR way faster, to have that 50% DR we need to spent like 5K in Defence, and to have something near to 30% Deflect Chance we need almost 3K in Deflect, so we need to spent like 8K GS in just Defence/Deflect to have such defence (I do, having some feats that give +5 AC and +5 Deflect Chance), while a GWF can get 45% DR and 30% Deflect Chance with just 4-5K GS spent on those stats, that's the problem, (and the fun part is that even you say that we take 18.5% less damage, our survival is lower than the GWF, or at most, equal to the GWF in PvP, in PvE you can't even compare to us due to Life Steal).

Why GWF defensive stats bigger and better than GF? its so wrong!

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