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illyrian2008
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... are generally horrid imho.
Worst of all there doesn't seem to be an option present to use old facial model for new characters.
They all look shiny and plastic like a half-melted Barbie doll
Worst of all there doesn't seem to be an option present to use old facial model for new characters.
They all look shiny and plastic like a half-melted Barbie doll
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They did the same in Star Trek Online but customization there is better with more options, models are not as bad and old fetaures are still an option.
These honestly remind of faces of WWI soldiers burned by mustard gas...
What hurts me most is that they've changed tiefling eyes on my old char. I could fix it in the alteration tower, but that would destroy my whole face
Ok, it's all female races it seems....
It was utterly ignored and nearly all the issues and ugliness went live. It's shameful and disgusting. Pretty much the only improvement made was a slight fixing of half-orc tusks and the toning down of female elf eyes. Everything else went live with no fixes or even acknowledgement, and of course all the original options are completely gone.
I'm not surprised they were utterly ignored.
I like to play small characters and my old halfing is adorable (kinda looks like Wednesday Addams, haha) but the new options.. I tried to recreate her look and all I could get was some kind of mutated Sarah Palin with bonus lumps in her neck. The other racial faces seem to have been "babyfied" so to speak. I'm not sure what, if any, new character I'd want to roll now considering how much I preferred the old look.
The new hair options are lovely but how come they didn't just add the new faces along with the old ones like they did for hair? So confused by that decision but I'm sure I'm not the only one.
For the record my daughter loved the new face for humans so much she made a new one of those, so good job there, more options are always welcome. This is something I know that Cryptic is aware of. I've never known them to *remove* existing character creation options.
baby steps.
i can understand some of the frustrations here, but i also remember a web Q&A where someone was asking andy velasquez for more character customizations in comparison to the customizations in STO and he thought that was entirely fair criticism.
so fast forward to today and you have these new options. your current characters weren't forced to use any of the new modeling, but perhaps you don't like them. that's fair criticism. they're too shiny. that's also fair criticism.
i do have a different perspective on seventeen pages of feedback, though. constructive feedback is definitely encouraged and appreciated. we even took some of it directly to the CMs to push forward. the development process is not a short one and these things may have been in planning for a long while. so maybe there are 20-40 or so users on the forums that don't like the previews of these changes. does that mean they should scrap that entire portion of the change or addition? they will definitely be getting more feedback now that these changes are live. and they can change anything in-game down the road. the focus may simply be to get more input.
so please keep providing your constructive criticism on these changes. if you don't like them, why don't you like them? how could they be better?
Eh, I dunno - most of the JRPGs and Eastern MMOs I've seen have much better faces than the new ones. These are just.... ew. /shrug
It seems a bad hybrid. It's not gone full on J-RPG and hasn't given up its own style completely yet. So we have this odd mash up. It's almost funny to see the ultra shiny faces with the normal bodies with a clear line on the neck where the baby oil stops.
The "original" models were certainly cartoonish, but maintained a western slant of shapes and features (with regard to western-drawn cartoon animation and artwork). However the newer styles are exaggerating the unusual shapes, more like eastern cartoon animations.
\This is okay with mobs and monsters (the giant monster in new zone with hellishly large arms like an ape? Fair enough) - but my character represents *me* and is the one character I am staring at *all the time*.
Again - based on what I've seen myself, I will investigate further - I would say the stylishness toward the unusual is a bit overbearing without options that lean more toward normal. And by "normal" I'm referring to something a little closure to realism, which is what we've had up to now.
New faces suc.... ekhm I mean, there also people who like them, but also many that hate them, why to ignore their opinion?
I personally think old ones are much better (some races have better proportin now, but even for them the skin texture ruins it), but I understand that other people may have different taste.
I am not telling that all the new stuff should be removed (I wouldn't mind tho tbh), I am telling devs should keep old faces too, that way everyone would be happy.
About how to improve what we have now:
-do something about the skin/hair texture,
-all male drow faces actually look the same. Same goes for the female elves (previously you could for exaple make an angry looking char, I don't know how to achieve it now) and to a less extent other races.
-Female half-orcs were always on the pretty side, but now.... take the tusks away and you'd think they are half-elves! They need more sharp features, square jaws and such.
-more jaws please. Both for males and females
- some mature faces maybe? It's not about complexion, it's about face proportions. I'm not sure exactly what makes them all look like teens, however I suspect "more jaws" would cure that.
- halfling body: perfect! just keep it as it is! (I never liked that race)
-and do something about the skin/hair texture again
Aside from that we should have the option to use the old version, considering mod 3 messed up tiefling eyes for old characters.
Not only you, some other people also experienced this.
And my tiefling's eyes are changed too, ouch.
I recall the NPC for the Tymora event or one of em was a weird looking drow. Probably using an older version of these hideous heads. But her eyebrows were twitching so badly as if she was suffering from a muscular disorder.
You kind of skipped over the most important issue here. Regardless of what people think of some of the new customization options, which can certainly be tuned and improved upon as you say, the real problem is the removal of the old options. Not only can people who liked the old presets no longer create new characters that look the way they want, they also can't change for example the hair color on one of their existing characters in the Tower of Alteration without being forced to use one the new presets, dramatically changing the look of their character. That's not acceptable.
ps: I just think que the former is much more "Japanese" than the current?
I made an elf's face with piccolo (dbz).
I however am digging the new character changes, to the Creators thank you very much for the effort that was put into this.
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many of the new looks and textures are an improvement and many should have also been improved from the original.
was it wise to release the new looks when you had pages of feed back telling you of clipping, disembodied ears, dead eyes that don't blink.
How can it be viewed as a wise business decision to release a broken product with only a promise of "baby steps" to fix it when also alienating your existing consumers.
Again you had pages of feedback prior to release why use a test group and ask there input then disregard it and release it as is and when faced with any criticism not look for the underlining problem and fix it, have you ever asked "why do think that" instead of waving a T.O.S. violation flag and closing threads or outwardly disregarding what could help you fix and maybe prevent future frustration for both yourselves and clients.
I cannot stress this enough if you want neverwinter to succeed you will need to have a thick skin to do it.
you need to learn when to stop a launch of new content and wait until its beta tests are addressed utilize the testers input address it before launch how much player grief would have been saved and face saved by your company by delaying launch a week or more to make sure it was right the 1st time.
also perhaps you should shift your focus from adding new content to perfecting what existing content there is at present, I see you are making progress with this but for any new player to the game they will see for themselves and in forums pages and pages or angry players voicing however constructive or not there criticism may be... and little being done.
in conclusion: many small mistakes can add up to a catastrophic mistake.... nothing i have stated here is NEW information simply what what you community and paying customers feel and beleve to be true.
its up to you to change those misconceptions, if in fact they are and one melted plastic face at a time if need be.
. . . Folks, if you do not like the new face models, don't use a change appearance token or else you'll loose access to your original face model if it's one of the old ones.
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As far as the structure changes to faces, not all of it is bad. But generally I'm finding the sliders either doing to much or not enough. Most of the faces still lack a lower jaw. Noses, no matter how I tried to set them, always seem to have a slight hook to them. And mouths seem permanently locked into a most aggressive frown. Ive not found any settings to improve this. Granted, you couldn't really make a smile in the old system, but at least it was possible to get a fairly neutral expression.
I feel like they want our characters fill in for an Abercrombie and Fitch advert. Far too young, far too sculpted, and overly serious for no reason other then STYLE!
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For starters I only paid attention to Tieflings, and I love the new options we get for the horns. and am of two minds about the changes to the male faces. I never liked the chin spikes so I'm glad that they minimized their size, but the faces with the smaller spikes look...weird. Then again I play a female Tiefling (again due to the chin spikes) so I don't mind too much.