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Speaking on behalf of TR's. We have been spanked terribly by this new patch
First off, we need confirmation on this.
Duelist Flurry has no CC Immunity? Intentional, or is this a horrible bug.
(Seems to Occur near the beginning of the third DF hit, has been confirmed by various people and unconfirmed by others)
First off lets start by saying DF is the hardest at will in the game to land, and on top of that it can be interrupted now!?
wow. smooth.
Impact shot getting a double dipping nerf? with the added tenacity AND nerfed its damage by 33%. Great, now were all forced to use Path of Blades or lashing blade.
Finally, the TR armor sets suck incredibly.
No Armor pen + Crit Stat allocation is truly <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>.
and why in the world is HP replaced with a useless amount of deflection
Edit: Just learned that the CW's Have our PRIME Set allocation. with the Thaumu set
So the CW's stole it
Servers have only been live for a few hours. But I'm sure there's more important things to be fixed
TR ITC Bug (where ITC Cycles cooldown without ITC taking affect) still in affect
-occurs when you get hit at the same time you press ITC-
First off, we need confirmation on this.
Duelist Flurry has no CC Immunity? Intentional, or is this a horrible bug.
(Seems to Occur near the beginning of the third DF hit, has been confirmed by various people and unconfirmed by others)
First off lets start by saying DF is the hardest at will in the game to land, and on top of that it can be interrupted now!?
wow. smooth.
Impact shot getting a double dipping nerf? with the added tenacity AND nerfed its damage by 33%. Great, now were all forced to use Path of Blades or lashing blade.
Finally, the TR armor sets suck incredibly.
No Armor pen + Crit Stat allocation is truly <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>.
and why in the world is HP replaced with a useless amount of deflection
Edit: Just learned that the CW's Have our PRIME Set allocation. with the Thaumu set
So the CW's stole it
Servers have only been live for a few hours. But I'm sure there's more important things to be fixed
TR ITC Bug (where ITC Cycles cooldown without ITC taking affect) still in affect
-occurs when you get hit at the same time you press ITC-
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The rest of the post is spot on as well, especially about Impact Shot.
**** them CW's, now they can destroy our DF's with their cc and now this... madness i say
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?622121-Potential-Stealth-Mechanic-Changes
I came back to this game after ~ 1 month gone because I liked the direction they were going with pvp and attention to it. However, I just don't have the patience to keep getting into different builds or ideas only to have random large changes to base mechanics that throw things off. I would've been ok with stealth nerfs, but now this just made one of the most damaging skills for rogues useless against anyone really. Once stealth is nerfed, there really wont be much left for playing rogue.
I really don't know if I want to get back into this game now. One of the reasons I enjoyed rogue is because you could make it work without getting top end gear, but also because the stealth mechanics of it allowed for more skill/awareness in pvp gameplay. Any other class I play just feels like a fight between gears. (1v1 verses other stealth rogues were really the best of pvp in this game because it takes so much more skill than other fights).
The reason not needing top end gear appealed to me was that
1) I want to play the game for PvP, not farming PvE. (my own fault for getting into a non-pvp based game)
2) They change skills/builds/classes so much that it becomes unviable to build up a character. In a few months, there will be major changes which will cause you to have to rework how you play, build, ect. your character. Or, they may just straight make the character less viable in comparison to the other classes or builds out there at which point maybe you want to go with a more powerful other character instead.
I'm not going to say I am quitting and this is not a quitting post. (That is obviously not allowed.) However, I don't know how much time I am going to be spending on this game in the coming days. With a change like this and stealth reworking, TR isn't going to be viable for pvp anymore and like I said, all other classes PvP is too straightforward and just feels like a clash of who has the best gear to me. I may consider an HR in the future since they have more control aspects than other classes than TR, which allows for a difference in skill gameplay vs gear gamplay, but probably not. I just don't know what I want to do with respect to this game anymore.
Giving us horrible stats on the new pvp sets doesn't help things either...
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Thing is, if tr continue to be nerfed, it will get to a point where it will be just an useless class - squishy, no damage, no cc, no support.
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The complaint is that hardly any of the new PvP gear for TRs has arpen at all. The one set that does has no crit. And none of the sets has HP.
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Some people and I have expirenced DF's Third strike being interrupted by these skills
Bull Charge
Sunburst (Outside of divine mode)
Impact Shot (Still useless damage wise)
Ah ok. Well I can't say i'm sad. No more 50k crit lashing blade of doom. One-shot kills aren't fun. Instead of nerfing lashing blade they give TRs sets with drawbacks, which leaves pve unaffected. Toning down some single target spells had to happen for pvp balance. Well, it may be hard to accept for those having one character only but at least, now, it's done.
That's quite interesting! I haven't encountered any GFduring my PVP matches and hence wasn't affected by BC. As for sunburst, I don't recall if there was any occasion where it would have hit me while in the 3rd strike's animation. Eventually, the TRs I fought were all not using IS. Thanks for sharing, I'll pay close attention to that next time.
Sorry my TR bros!
I've talked to a couple of my TR friend's and it seems like the bug isn't consistent, I for one had it happen to me three times in one match where as for some it seems to be working as previous before the Tenacity Patch
Are you crazy? How am I supposed to stick to the adds in PvE now with all that ****ty AoEs flying around me?
WTB Class Reroll please
Although these have always been pressing issues with Impact shot, there have been ways of dealing with it based on skill level alone
however with the recent Nerf to the TR class, it seems like "skill level" is being removed from the class in its entirety
Firstly, as stated before now a Rogue (Specced for max dps) can't even do decent DPS now. The major issue with this is that if a TR specs for complete DPS, he gimps his defense by a huge margin. On the flip side, if you take the complete defensive roll as what people believe to be "Perm stealth" (I'd go over this common misunderstanding, and why it's not that big of a deal, but lets stay true to the post) The DPS and over all survivability of rolling to that play style are quite frankly, Laughable.
How does this affect skill level? we'll, the only true DPS encounter you've left us with is PoB, something that only ticks for (500-700 If your target has low defense) but is a skillless ability due to the fact that you drop it and go, instant no aim required hits
Now I can't speak for the glass cannon 1 shot TR builds anymore, because I have't used that build since a little before the server merge
But If I recall, the only real defense (aside from occasional ITC) that my TR had was it's ability to, in essence, kill your opponent before they could kill you.
a Perfect Vorpal TR's highest LB on me was 10k. And I'm a TR and my DR is nothing compared to gwfs or GF.
So now that TR's can't kill something before they kill us, and because DC's can't heal anything anymore (Healing depression topic for another thread)
We're subsequently backed into the "Perm stealth" wall that so many people call us unskilled by using it.
I remember the original vision for builds in this game was the ability of choice, and dictating your playstyle
but now with the HORRIBLE new Pvp sets, one viable playstyle, and a few half decent encounters. It seem's like were forced to become a drone. Being a drone also hurts all TR's as a whole, because now there's no more "Air of unpredictability" everyone's going to know what encounters we're going to use (being that there's only a few good ones) and the game will quite simply, adapt and make the TR
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I doubt the average TR's ability (after these nerfs) to deal with it's natrual prey, the CW