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  • stormdrag0nstormdrag0n Member Posts: 3,222 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    mechjockey wrote: »
    Lets see they started as a sub model, lost most of their subs. They are now F2P so just what does "record number of players mean"

    Star Trek is watched by 10s of millions of people daily and they haven't even managed to capture 1% of that ? well done.

    Mike Morhaime once said that WoW captured a very small percentage of gamers and the vast majority didn't stay past level ten....by your "logic" WoW is fail too.
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  • elthuzarelthuzar Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 123 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2013
    Neverwinter has more in common with Diablo 3 than it does with WoW. I think Blizzard is more concerned with new and upcoming games making Titan look bad, since they just scrapped the majority of their project and shifted their expected launch to 2016 Source

    Every MMO since 2005 has had disgruntled WoW players arrive and trash it though. I assume most of these people had not played MMO's prior to WoW so they don't know what to expect unless it is a carbon copy of WoW with a different ip. Then they complain that it's too much like WoW and go back to their disgruntled lives playing the same game and falling into a pit of self loathing and despair. I feel sorry for WoW players, it must be hard to be stuck in a 9 year old game, with the graphical quality of a zoomed in Warcraft 3.
  • pilfropilfro Member Posts: 45 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    1. Most people who go to forums don't have questions or they only ask a couple when the game launches.
    2. People who like a game, don't go to forums because all they can say is- I really love your game. Why would they do that every day.
    3.All that leaves is the complainers and doomey gloomers and tin foil hat people. And the people who think reading game forums is important when its not. These are the people who step in to defend the game.

    General is never the pulse of the game, or I should say- you will never know if its the pulse of the game. If the game sucks, the forums will tell you the game sucks, if the games good, the forums will tell you the game sucks.

    I'm here because i''m dumb and think being on the forum is somehow helping me pass the time. It doesn't.

    Its logical for forums to be negative because that's what it cant help but attract.
    Its the same with most forums, its not just a video game thing.
    Go to any news forum and 90% will have commentators bashing the article, bashing the writer "This is news?"or bashing a commentator. Its what it attracts, its functioning properly.
  • spyke2009spyke2009 Member Posts: 674 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2013
    elthuzar wrote: »
    Neverwinter has more in common with Diablo 3 than it does with WoW. I think Blizzard is more concerned with new and upcoming games making Titan look bad, since they just scrapped the majority of their project and shifted their expected launch to 2016 Source

    Every MMO since 2005 has had disgruntled WoW players arrive and trash it though. I assume most of these people had not played MMO's prior to WoW so they don't know what to expect unless it is a carbon copy of WoW with a different ip. Then they complain that it's too much like WoW and go back to their disgruntled lives playing the same game and falling into a pit of self loathing and despair. I feel sorry for WoW players, it must be hard to be stuck in a 9 year old game, with the graphical quality of a zoomed in Warcraft 3.

    Lol appeal to ridicule fallacies aside (which your post is full of) ultimately we can't, or at least SHOULD NOT compare WoW to NW.
    NW hasn't even gotten ONE major content update.. WoW has years on it and has done what this game has to do many years ago, and probably repeatedly.

    If this game is any way similar to WoW's early expansions, then I'd question why. Given that it's been a long time since then.

    Also, why do folks these days seem to think that a game should be solely judged based on it's graphics?
    League of Legends isn't exactly "Dripping in beautiful graphics" but still manages to be the most played game on the planet...
    Always reminds me of a funny comic when I read about graphics...

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  • the1tiggletthe1tigglet Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 1
    edited June 2013
    It is true that exwow players will go into forums and bash games it's happened in every title that's launched last year and this year that happened to have the letters mmo in front of the other acronyms (RPG,FPS) if it's mmo it's going to get bashed by people on the interweb.

    It is also true that WoW might be looking at it's end game because now they are scrambling post patch 5.3 to figure out something to add to the game that isn't there (most of which has never been there despite people asking for it for years.)

    A few good examples of despirate moves on the part of the beloved marine biologist Ghostcrawler are cosmetics, solo dungeons, and open world events just to name a few.

    I'm pretty much done with WoW trying to get me back, if they wanted to keep me they should have added engineer rocket mounts back in WotLK when we originally asked for them, better pet skills back when we asked for them (as a hunter), and open world content to their dead world back when we asked for it. Not now when they're on their last leg and they're losing customers. Same goes for every other Dev out there. Can't listen to your players when they all ask for the same things then why ask and don't bother adding it to the game years later in the hopes that someone might come back. spsssh.
  • calaminthacalamintha Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    spyke2009 wrote: »
    Also, why do folks these days seem to think that a game should be solely judged based on it's graphics?

    Because they are young and didn't grow around 8-bit graphics. They actually think 'kiddy graphics' is an insult.
  • mitotemitote Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 42 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    if they wanted to keep me they should have added engineer rocket mounts back in WotLK when we originally asked for them,

    That would have saved the game!
    Too bad now Blizzard is dieing (despite making 50-70 MILLION EUROS/MONTH).

    Ohh the irony, one small engineering mount would have saved them...
  • llfritzllllfritzll Member Posts: 215 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2013
    WoW has such a large base of fanbois that the game is not in any danger of dying, regardless what an outspoken minority might want you to believe.

    I dislike WoW. I don't want to play WoW. I think it is outdated garbage.

    However to sit here and pretend the game is going to die would just be ridiculous.

    I would check the age group of the people who think WoW is dying. I would guess most of them are know-it-all teenagers / early twenties.
  • yasha00yasha00 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 479 Bounty Hunter
    edited June 2013
    Every mmo forum I have read has people talking about how the game is going to fail/die etc. I wouldn't place any weight on such comments; they have nothing to do with wow, its just the way people are.
  • mechjockeymechjockey Member Posts: 265 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Mike Morhaime once said that WoW captured a very small percentage of gamers and the vast majority didn't stay past level ten....by your "logic" WoW is fail too.

    WoW has what ? 5 million ? 8 Million ? 10 Million ?

    Startrek has what 200 K ?

    How many people are Star Trek Fans ?

    How Many are Fantasy Gamers ?

    Some how I don't think you have made a point.
  • schwoffinsschwoffins Member Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    DDO fans have nothing to fear from this game. DDO represents as close as you could get to real DnD as you can in an MMO setting. Neverwinter is about as close as you can get to the Streetfighter series in an MMO setting.
  • ashensnowashensnow Member Posts: 2,215 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    mechjockey wrote: »
    WoW has what ? 5 million ? 8 Million ? 10 Million ?

    Startrek has what 200 K ?

    How many people are Star Trek Fans ?

    How Many are Fantasy Gamers ?

    Some how I don't think you have made a point.


    What percentage of Star Trek fans are gamers of any sort and what percentage of those are MMO gamers ? Without that information your comparison is irrelevant.

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  • stormdrag0nstormdrag0n Member Posts: 3,222 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    ashensnow wrote: »
    What percentage of Star Trek fans are gamers of any sort and what percentage of those are MMO gamers ? Without that information your comparison is irrelevant.

    Just ignore him guy he is the king of hyperbole.
    Always Looking for mature laidback players/rpers for Dungeon Delves!
  • imperviumimpervium Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Ya'know, sometimes when I log onto the forums and see what goes on here, it's almost as if it's all about a different game. All the anger, bickering, all the tears! Just not there when I'm inside the game.

    Some of you people need to relax! Unless you're getting paid to do this, you are putting way too much work into it.

    And for the actual shills, wow man, you are the used car salesmen of the industry, parasites on the inventions of people who will always be better than you. Never able to show pride for what you spend your hours doing. So, losers, is this what you envisioned for your careers? :rolleyes: Doing the work of dinosaurs? Mutually assured mudslinging on the image of every studio all of your employers own. That's not exactly brilliant. It is indeed one of the dumbest ideas your employers have come up with.

    Ever lay awake at night and wonder why studios are buying themselves out or going indie from the get-go? Ever wonder why some of the PC gaming industry's most revered veterans, masters of the cult classics within their genres, are turning to kickstarters rather than turning to your employers? That's a loss of faith right there, no other way to explain it.

    THIS is how your employers are dealing with that and with each other? Forum posts??? ROFL!

    Sad, desperate dinosaurs; watching the comet explode above their heads. Corporate greed and corruption hasn't done me any favors as a gamer and I'd shill for all the indie studios for free if meant making you annoying bozos go extinct faster.
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  • nephtnepht Member Posts: 5,826 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    shahualing wrote: »
    To be fair, both sides are full of hyperbole.

    Non American Non very good at English person here so sorta confused about this HYPERBOLE thing. Isnt it some sort of big sports event in the US ?
  • jorifice1jorifice1 Member Posts: 1,042 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    nepht wrote: »
    Non American Non very good at English person here so sorta confused about this HYPERBOLE thing. Isnt it some sort of big sports event in the US ?

    Yes.
    AND IT IS THE GREATEST SPORTING EVENT THAT HAS EVER EXISTED OR WILL EVER EXIST.

    'Wen considered the nature of time and understood that the universe is, instant by instant, recreated anew. Therefore, he understood, there is in truth no past, only a memory of the past. Blink your eyes, and the world you see next did not exist when you closed them. Therefore, he said, the only appropriate state of the mind is surprise. The only appropriate state of the heart is joy. The sky you see now, you have never seen before. The perfect moment is now. Be glad of it.' Terry Pratchet The Thief Of Time
  • mechjockeymechjockey Member Posts: 265 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    ashensnow wrote: »
    What percentage of Star Trek fans are gamers of any sort and what percentage of those are MMO gamers ? Without that information your comparison is irrelevant.

    Well the point of the post was to demonstrate that WoW percentage comment was irrelevant.

    But, ok put it another way, Star Wars is considered a complete FAIL, which do you think has better numbers Star Wars or STO ?
  • bluedarkybluedarky Member Posts: 1,232 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    mechjockey wrote: »
    Well the point of the post was to demonstrate that WoW percentage comment was irrelevant.

    But, ok put it another way, Star Wars is considered a complete FAIL, which do you think has better numbers Star Wars or STO ?

    Well considering that the budget for EA's marketing department could pay the wages of at least the STO devs for a year I'd say Star Wars. However Star Wars was only considered a failure because EA put unrealistically high expectations on it and were expecting to draw large numbers from the IP alone. Cryptic on the other hand had a far better knowledge of what too expect and were able to put a realistic budget on the game.

    Being perfectly honest, knowing the time restrictions Cryptic had in which to launch and the fact that they needed to put everything by CBS they pulled off a miracle in the fact that they launched a playable game at all, let alone one that was as good as STO was at launch.
  • lostraclostrac Member Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    I've never played WoW before and I do believe this game will die sooner rather than later.
  • tyr216tyr216 Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    If you don't enjoy WoW, don't play it. If you don't enjoy NWO, don't play it. You shouldn't be so desperate to have your opinions validated by your peers. The truth of the matter is that nobody cares, whether they agree with you or not. #foreveralone, #everyheadisaworld, #stfu, #endrant
  • tormeantedtormeanted Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Hey there everyone,
    I have been a bit demoralised over all the negative comments on the forum as I don
  • ganjaman1ganjaman1 Member Posts: 792 Arc User
    edited June 2013
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  • yablorkinyablorkin Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Pointing the fingers at a "WoW Conspiracy" is almost a conspiracy in and of itself.

    I've been around MMO's for quite awhile now. EverQuest for 8.5 years, then WoW for another 5(and counting) and now checking out Neverwinter (enjoying it enough to actually drop the $$ for the Hero's of the North).

    All the message boards have their trolls and doomsayers. Heck, the Verant boards(before Sony took them over) has the nickname "Whineplay". Nothing really productive comes out of those people and if you get involved with them in "battles" about the only thing it will accomplish is to turn your brain to mush and sour the game for you.

    I generally like to lurk on forums and just search out the useful gems. Helpful and/or funny comments are always welcome but rude ones aren't worth my time.

    Even the in game chat goes through this. There are a lot of moronic comments but there are also a lot of helpful people. I know I've always managed to get some decent answers to my newb inquiries and have also hopefully helped others as well. Sometimes I'll fire off the info to someone in a /tell, especially in the enclave where the text can flow fast sometimes that they might miss a general response.

    Where am I going with this? /shrug...dunno...I kinda started rambling and lost my train of thought :o
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